The Official "Other Companies That Have Had Contamination Issues" Contest

[prld2gr8ns]

Who released Methyl-OHT and had to do a recall on an ATD product because it contained the wrong ingredient?

Designer Supplements

Sldgehmr
"To end all of this and to help protect any of my customers, I am asking anyone who bought MOHT to throw it away. I will refund all the money for those orders. It is possible that I may not have received the compound that I bought, even though it came from a trusted and previoulsy tested source.
This compound was never sold by any other site or anyone else. If anyone has any questions or problems please email me or pm me. I will start refunding all orders tonight, I am sorry for the problems and confusion"

All:

We have determined that a previous batch, and our current stock, of Rebound XT was severly underdosed. We are recalling batch number: F040207. This is listed on the bottle. We are also making a recall of our recent stock sent to retailers. This will mean, likely, that we and most if not all retailers will be out of stock for the next 2-3 weeks.

We at DS apologize for the extreme inconvenience this has caused. We apparently received a bad batch of Diene-3™, when the synthesis was changed for larger productions. We test every batch that comes in (of all of our ingredients) and there was a mix-up with that as well, so this was not caught until now. I would like to thank Patrick and Ergo for bringing this to our attention. Apparently, he tested the product, and did the honorable thing -- he notified us rather than call us out publicly. We confirmed his findings that the powder was useless, and want to rectify this immediately.

As such, anyone who had RXT with batch number: F040207 printed on the label should immediately return the bottle(s) to us at the following address:

2121 Hillside Ave. New Hyde Park, NY 11040

Please send any and all bottles whether unopened, or fully or partially used. Once we have the product back in stock, we will send you two bottles for every one returned, up to the first three bottles you return. For the fourth bottle and beyond, we will simply replace that bottle. Please do not innundate our retailers with returns, send them directly to us.

 

[Jorsn]

I was banned by the FDA in 2009 for containing too much Badass.

 

[prld2gr8ns]

I was banned by the FDA in 2009 for containing too much Badass.

I was banned by the fda for smuggling walnuts.

 

[japohl1]

Not a recall but....

 

[prld2gr8ns]

I was banned by the fda for smuggling walnuts.

Seriously.

http://www.anh-usa.org/tell-the-fda-that-cherries—and-now-walnuts—are-not-illegal-drugs/

 

[prld2gr8ns]

This should really help put the whole tainted and recalled supplements in perspective.

http://www.recallowl.com/Food+Recalls/Dietary+Supplements?&CDS_PAGER_ORDER=&CDS_PAGER_NUMROWS=72&CDS_PAGER_LIMIT=50&CDS_PAGER_FROM=0

 

[MAxximal]

Brazilian diet pills" passed off as supplements; smuggler sentenced

http://drugtopics.modernmedicine.com/drugtopics/Chains+&+Business/Brazilian-diet-pills-passed-off-as-supplements-smu/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/733522?contextCategoryId=40159

 

[henryv]

The Official "Other Companies That Have Had Contamination Issues" Contest

What a cunty thing to do.

 

[henryv]

Fatloss Slimming 2 Day Diet 3x Slimming Power
Japan Lingzhi 24 Hours Diet 5x Imelda Perfect Slimming 3 Day Diet
7 Day Herbal Slim 8 Factor Diet 7 Diet Day/Night Formula
999 Fitness Essence Extrim Plus GMP
Imelda Perfect Slim Lida DaiDaihua Miaozi Slim Capsules
Perfect Slim Perfect Slim 5x Phyto Shape
ProSlim Plus Royal Slimming Formula Slim 3 in 1
Slim Express 360 Slimtech Somotrim
Superslim TripleSlim Zhen de Shou
Venom Hyperdrive 3.0

An FDA analysis found that the undeclared active pharmaceutical ingredients in some of these products include sibutramine (a controlled substance), rimonabant (a drug not approved for marketing in the United States), phenytoin (an anti-seizure medication), and phenolphthalein (a solution used in chemical experiments and a suspected cancer causing agent). Some of the amounts of active pharmaceutical ingredients far exceeded the FDA-recommended levels, putting consumers' health at risk.

Jen-On Herbal Science International, Inc. Issues A Voluntary Nationwide Recall of H S Joy of Love, a Product Marketed as a Dietary Supplement
...lab analysis by FDA of H S Joy of Love samples found the product contains Piperadino Vardenafil, an analog of Vardenafil, an FDA-approved drug used as treatment for male Erectile Dysfunction (ED). Piperadino Vardenafil is close in structure to Vardenafil and is expected to possess a similar pharmacological and adverse event profile.

Ebek, Inc. Issues Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Liviro3, a Product Marketed as a Dietary Supplement
...lab analysis by FDA of Liviro3 samples found the product contains tadalafil, an FDA-approved drug used to treat erectile dysfunction (ED), making Liviro3 an unapproved drug.

I look forward to receiving the free products, for Patrick to test.

 

[prld2gr8ns]

Strangely, a large number of recalls have been for sexual performance supplements. Go figure.....

 

[Subber10]

I look forward to receiving the free products, for Patrick to test.

Too bad someone has already posted those on the second page....and as a consumer, I thought this promo was quite clever.

 

[henryv]

Too bad someone has already posted those on the second page....

Jen-On Herbal Science International, Inc. Issues A Voluntary Nationwide Recall of H S Joy of Love, a Product Marketed as a Dietary Supplement
...lab analysis by FDA of H S Joy of Love samples found the product contains Piperadino Vardenafil, an analog of Vardenafil, an FDA-approved drug used as treatment for male Erectile Dysfunction (ED). Piperadino Vardenafil is close in structure to Vardenafil and is expected to possess a similar pharmacological and adverse event profile.

Ebek, Inc. Issues Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Liviro3, a Product Marketed as a Dietary Supplement
...lab analysis by FDA of Liviro3 samples found the product contains tadalafil, an FDA-approved drug used to treat erectile dysfunction (ED), making Liviro3 an unapproved drug.

^ Those two weren't posted anywhere else.

and as a consumer, I thought this promo was quite clever.

It's an obvious attempt to deflect attention and point fingers elsewhere. I don't think it's clever.

 

[EasyEJL]

It's an obvious attempt to deflect attention and point fingers elsewhere. I don't think it's clever.

is it as clever as testing a competitors product without a proper chain of authority and releasing the results anonymously?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

If anyone can recall them and post them in the thread, they can win up to $250 in FREE Taurus Supplements. Rules are: no rumors must either be admitted by the company or an action taken:

I think this contest should bring some sanity back to the situation...

I will start things off:

Suspended Philadelphia Phillies reliever J.C. Romero sues supplement manufacturer - ESPN

"One should consider the source and the fact that the statement fails to address the presence of androstenedione, a controlled substance, in 6-OXO EXTREME," Cornwell wrote in a two-sentence e-mail to the Associated Press. "In my opinion, after injury and age, companies like Proviant may be the next greatest threat to the careers of athletes who use nutritional supplements."

I don't know 100% if this has been confirmed just alleged in this news story. I will do a FOIA request on Proviant and find out if indeed 6-OXO and 6-OXO Extreme was contaminated. Since the company was Chapter 7 a few years back, I doubt I can get a company rep to reply. If an above board company like Proviant who had their own manufacturing and testing facilities could have this happen it's obviously a problem that just happens from time to time.

after a long investigation no charges were ever filed. No laws were broken. So I am not sure this should be given equal weight to the other fiascos you mention here

also, Proviant never declared bankruptcy as you suggested. It just ceased to operate. I was one of the owners of Proviant

 

[Subber10]

It's an obvious attempt to deflect attention and point fingers elsewhere. I don't think it's clever.[/QUOTE]

Too be honest, i started reading the first one and recognized all of them and figured you were just posting stuff to make a bitter point. But, as far as this promo is concerned, this is marketing. Welcome to big business. Every major company in america does this type of marketing. My wife has her bachelors in marketing and her MBA and we discussed this last night cause I thought it was rather funny and clever and she thought the same thing. She said it was a very smart business move.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Marketing? Yes, Clever? Yes, an industry issue? Also Yes. Some are from a lack of product oversight and some are deliberate. It's not a good situation either way for the industry.

 

[Subber10]

Marketing? Yes, Clever? Yes, an industry issue? Also Yes. Some are from a lack of product oversight and some are deliberate. It's not a good situation either way for the industry.

Never said it was good, but I agree with you. This isn't a good situation at all for the industry. I feel Taurus is handling this pretty good and this promo can go a long way in helping out with the company's future. Remember that they are still a new and small business.

I will agree on one thing with Henry, Taurus BigK didn't handle this properly on the other board and that is why he's no longer with them too. But, that is another matter that's not for this thread. TN is simply trying to demonstate that mistakes happen and that they are moving forward.

 

[flightposite]

Agreed. It wasn't good that it happened and it is a shame. But Taurus didn't do this intentionally and they are trying to make up for it and move forward just like some other companies have done which I think is more the point of this thread. If anyone is to blame it's the Chinese.

 

[MidwestBeast]

If anyone is to blame it's the Chinese.

Shhhhhhh!!!!!! They'll hear you!

And while I realize what I'm about to reference was Japanese and not Chinese, I feel the concept is still relevant:

I'm going home to play with all of my Chinpokomon dolls!

 

[scoooter]

"mistakes happen and Chinese suppliers often screw you"............

I'm sorry I've got to call BullS^it !

You sir and or your contract mfg got screwed and you passed it on to us your consumer's.

What do these so called Chinese have do with anything !!! obviously there is no QA involved, did you make this stuff in the basement - good grief is right.

Let me see if I can remember, mass exodus of rep's followed by disclosure of spiked supp, hum interesting ??? discuss

 

[MidwestBeast]

"mistakes happen and Chinese suppliers often screw you"............

I'm sorry I've got to call BullS^it !

You sir and or your contract mfg got screwed and you passed it on to us your consumer's.

What do these so called Chinese have do with anything !!! obviously there is no QA involved, did you make this stuff in the basement - good grief is right.

Let me see if I can remember, mass exodus of rep's followed by disclosure of spiked supp, hum interesting ??? discuss

FWIW, I liked pretty much (if not) the entire Taurus rep team. I talked to one of the guys after he left and his reasons, as best as I can tell, were/are unrelated to this.

Obviously I'm not a rep for them, so I don't have the insight that everyone from Taurus does, but I just felt that was worth sharing.

 

[scoooter]

Agreed. It wasn't good that it happened and it is a shame. But Taurus didn't do this intentionally and they are trying to make up for it and move forward just like some other companies have done which I think is more the point of this thread. If anyone is to blame it's the Chinese.

Ok accepted, they (Taurus) didn't do this intentionally, but they also didn't do anything to prevent it...point & counter point

 

[scoooter]

FWIW, I liked pretty much (if not) the entire Taurus rep team. I talked to one of the guys after he left and his reasons, as best as I can tell, were/are unrelated to this.

Obviously I'm not a rep for them, so I don't have the insight that everyone from Taurus does, but I just felt that was worth sharing.

Thanks ! good info.. FWIW I completely enjoyed their supp Whyked, hope nothing is found in that one.

 

[MidwestBeast]

Thanks ! good info.. FWIW I completely enjoyed their supp Whyked, hope nothing is found in that one.

Anytime. And Wyked is great...it's better with a dash of meth

:lol:

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Inb4 promo thread lock

 

[EasyEJL]

Ok accepted, they (Taurus) didn't do this intentionally, but they also didn't do anything to prevent it...point & counter point

but their point in this thread is that not retesting your raws, or not retesting every batch of raws has been a standard in supplement companies forever. Thats why although the FDA sucks balls, the idea of enforcing cGMP manufacturing makes sense as you have to test each batch of raws, then retest whole product once its made.

 

[scoooter]

Inb4 promo thread lock

Hey, I'm not bashing...just a little 60 minuets type investigating that's all. I'd like to hear from Taurus about their reaction plan and future preventative actions because I do like their products quite alot.

 

[southpaw23]

but their point in this thread is that not retesting your raws, or not retesting every batch of raws has been a standard in supplement companies forever. Thats why although the FDA sucks balls, the idea of enforcing cGMP manufacturing makes sense as you have to test each batch of raws, then retest whole product once its made.

Should start a thread listing the names of all companies that comply with cGMP manufacturing practices, stick to ordering from those companies.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Hey, I'm not bashing...just a little 60 minuets type investigating that's all. I'd like to hear from Taurus about their reaction plan and future preventative actions because I do like their products quite alot.

Agreed. Would be more useful than posting this junk

 

[Patrick Arnold]

gotta be cGMP certified!

being gmp certified does not prevent you from being a **** up. also, just cuz you were compliant with the rules when they audited you and gave you the stamp of approval doesnt mean you continue to do things correctly once they leave the premises

 

[EasyEJL]

being gmp certified does not prevent you from being a **** up. also, just cuz you were compliant with the rules when they audited you and gave you the stamp of approval doesnt mean you continue to do things correctly once they leave the premises

this is quite true, not like its impossible to fudge some log book entries.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Agreed. It wasn't good that it happened and it is a shame. But Taurus didn't do this intentionally and they are trying to make up for it and move forward just like some other companies have done which I think is more the point of this thread. If anyone is to blame it's the Chinese.

the way to move forward is to use me to identify what is in their raws. others that have screwed up ended up doing this and they have not screwed up since

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Should start a thread listing the names of all companies that comply with cGMP manufacturing practices, stick to ordering from those companies.

but most of the companies in sports nutrition are not manufacturers. they are just marketers. GMP is for the most part relevant for manufacturers of the product

 

[scoooter]

the way to move forward is to use me to identify what is in their raws. others that have screwed up ended up doing this and they have not screwed up since

going a little off topic but what about when there is no known standard to test to - such as was the case for 95% nettle extract

Oh almost forgot about the contest, I'm sure I could find some posts about the Nettle fiasco

 

[Patrick Arnold]

going a little off topic but what about when there is no known standard to test to - such as was the case for 95% nettle extract

Oh almost forgot about the contest, I'm sure I could find some posts about the Nettle fiasco

my testing is not quantitative. Its just to identify what I see in the sample. standards are necessary for quantitative analysis but not qualitative

I use the mass spectrometer to identify what is in the material. It is pretty reliable and for qualitative purposes is fine.

 

[bdcc]

I was going to reply to a post PA made but when I got to the laptop it was deleted.

The answer to it is "not as far as I am aware" lol.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

I was going to reply to a post PA made but when I got to the laptop it was deleted.

The answer to it is "not as far as I am aware" lol.

the answer was around 50% from what i saw

anyway lets just drop it and move forward. hopefully they will employ me to test their raws like almost a dozen companies have done throughout the years

 

[Taurus Nut.]

Well, that makes more sense that your testing is qualitative since it explains a lot. Why not just contact me and tell me about it? I will never figure that one out...

I will share with Patrick now, why I doubted his assertions. I had the 7-Keto-etio tested and it came back an exact match on MW and the chemist went so far as to describe the compound since no standard exists for it. So, when you said it "wasn't there" then I had no reason to believe the validity of any of your testing.

One other point of clarification and I think Patrick should note this part since his products are "transdermals". 7-KE IS NOT AND WAS NEVER a dietary supplement, it was a cosmetic. As I stated upon launch it isn't a GMP product. As a cosmetic it's a different set of standards.

Anyway, it appears that the amount is small anyway and that is what is the normal part of doing business with China, you pay for one thing and they "fudge" a bit on the purity, which is bull**** but it happens.

Anyway, we are working more closely with our lab to develop what is an acceptable purity. Remember 95% pure is still 5% something else. I don't usually concern myself with such a small amount unless I know the starting material is a CIII. In this case I didn't think it was (it may not be since I am not a chemist). For example if I was going to order 1-DHEA I would certainly be nervous because I know 1-ADione is probably the starting material or at least a step in the process.

Finally, I will shed some light on Taurus Big K. I've known this guy for 4 years and he ran into some major life problems. Since no one knows his real identity I will share a little. Drugs problem, wife left him, kids to feed etc... I paid for a flight to Michigan, let him stay with me and gave him a job with Taurus to help out with online promotions to help him try and get his life back in order . In a nutshell he couldn't handle it and I ended up having to fly him home with some cash in his pocket. So, for my charity I am out 3k and a bunch of really good reps.

I try to help people and sometimes it backfires. I had no idea Taurus Big K would be such a mess to our reps. I can't believe he did that much damage in such a short amount of time. lol Sometimes trying to be kind and generous backfires and you get screwed but I just believe that in life one should try to help others who have lost everything. Usually it's for a good reason that they are broke, but occasionally your charity really pans out and the person turns his life around. If not for someone giving them the chance then they would never be able to get started. This one didn't work out but trying to help other people is never a failure for me even when they fail.

 

[flightposite]

the way to move forward is to use me to identify what is in their raws. others that have screwed up ended up doing this and they have not screwed up since

If that's what work then I support it.

 

[flightposite]

Well, that makes more sense that your testing is qualitative since it explains a lot. Why not just contact me and tell me about it? I will never figure that one out...

I will share with Patrick now, why I doubted his assertions. I had the 7-Keto-etio tested and it came back an exact match on MW and the chemist went so far as to describe the compound since no standard exists for it. So, when you said it "wasn't there" then I had no reason to believe the validity of any of your testing.

One other point of clarification and I think Patrick should note this part since his products are "transdermals". 7-KE IS NOT AND WAS NEVER a dietary supplement, it was a cosmetic. As I stated upon launch it isn't a GMP product. As a cosmetic it's a different set of standards.

Anyway, it appears that the amount is small anyway and that is what is the normal part of doing business with China, you pay for one thing and they "fudge" a bit on the purity, which is bull**** but it happens.

Anyway, we are working more closely with our lab to develop what is an acceptable purity. Remember 95% pure is still 5% something else. I don't usually concern myself with such a small amount unless I know the starting material is a CIII. In this case I didn't think it was (it may not be since I am not a chemist). For example if I was going to order 1-DHEA I would certainly be nervous because I know 1-ADione is probably the starting material or at least a step in the process.

Finally, I will shed some light on Taurus Big K. I've known this guy for 4 years and he ran into some major life problems. Since no one knows his real identity I will share a little. Drugs problem, wife left him, kids to feed etc... I paid for a flight to Michigan, let him stay with me and gave him a job with Taurus to help out with online promotions to help him try and get his life back in order . In a nutshell he couldn't handle it and I ended up having to fly him home with some cash in his pocket. So, for my charity I am out 3k and a bunch of really good reps.

I try to help people and sometimes it backfires. I had no idea Taurus Big K would be such a mess to our reps. I can't believe he did that much damage in such a short amount of time. lol Sometimes trying to be kind and generous backfires and you get screwed but I just believe that in life one should try to help others who have lost everything. Usually it's for a good reason that they are broke, but occasionally your charity really pans out and the person turns his life around. If not for someone giving them the chance then they would never be able to get started. This one didn't work out but trying to help other people is never a failure for me even when they fail.

I definitely admire and respect you for that. And I'm sorry it ended up not working out. But keep doing what your doing.

 

[Taurus Nut.]

I wish he wouldn't have chased all of the reps away. He just had a lot of demons. I do wish him the best.

 

[prld2gr8ns]

anyway lets just drop it and move forward. hopefully they will employ me to test their raws like almost a dozen companies have done throughout the years

Just out of curiosity, what's the price point on that?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Just out of curiosity, what's the price point on that?

hundred bucks a sample

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Just out of curiosity, what's the price point on that?

<BR><BR><BR><BR>hundred bucks a sample

 

[TheDarkHalf]

Got my package in the mail today.....Thanks Taurus for hooking it up BIG TIME with some free product.

 

[bigbeef]

Posted in News, Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Government, Men's Health, New Dietary Ingredients (NDIs), Recall, Sports Nutrition Print SILVER SPRINGS, Nev.—Advanced Muscle Science announced a voluntary national recall of all lots of its products Arom-X, Arom-X UTT, Arom-XL, 4-AD and Devacol, all marketed as dietary supplements for testosterone boosting and sexual function. The products contain 1,4,6 etioallocholan-dione, known as ATD, an aromatase inhibitor that stops the body’s production of estrogen. FDA informed the company it does not believe ATD is a dietary ingredient, making the products in violation of federal law.

FDA informed Advanced Muscle Science of potential adverse events associated with the use of aromatase inhibitors, including infertility, adrenal insufficiencies, and kidney and liver dysfunction. The agency concluded products containing aromatase inhibitors are likely to cause adverse reactions in at-risk consumers, including those with liver, kidney, adrenal or prostate concerns.

Production of most of the products had been discontinued by Advanced Muscle Science more than a year ago. Arom-X capsules and 4-AD capsules, for example, were discontinued in March 2009; Arom-XL liquid was discontinued in February 2009, while Arom-X UTT liquid and Decavol capsules were discontinued by the company in January 2010. However, the company noted some retailers may be selling remaining inventory, thus triggering the recall notice. In addition, this voluntary recall does not include Arom-X RD or the current version of Arom-X liquid, neither of which contain ATD.

Advanced Muscle Science noted it has not received any adverse event reports associated with use of the recalled products, but advised consumers to cease using them and return unused portions to the company or retailer. Consumers who do have adverse reactions to any of the items can report the situation to FDA via the MedWatch Adverse Event Reporting program online.

This is the third recall notice announced by FDA concerning ATD content in dietary supplements in the last two days.

 

[flightposite]

Got my package in the mail today.....Thanks Taurus for hooking it up BIG TIME with some free product.

Wow that was fast. Cool what did you get man? I want some more 5aohp that stuff is great

 

[EasyEJL]

mine came yesterday too ! thanks, I appreciate it. Can't wait to try out wycked. Going on a business trip next week, i'll bring it with me for that.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Hmmm...maybe today for me.

 

[Young Gotti]

ahh man, i guess i lost or didn't win