Has anyone tried vidasupps BioforgeV3 clone?

According to Biotiva Naetron doesnt even have a sub-distributor

THEHUGE said:
Precisely.


BS. Ask them where they got these ingredients from. Natreon has no sub-distributor. Even if there was any, LOL @ cutting the middleman to save you money. What a joke.

Ask them to show you the non-disclosure agreement they signed to use the trademarks.

Ask them to show you a receipt of their purchase order.
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Please keep up with the convo
 
ax1 said:
According to Biotiva Naetron doesnt even have a sub-distributor
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Since I know THEHUGE can be irrational, I am not going to take his words as truth. Ill continue to wait and see what Vidasupps comes back with. In the end this will get solved...just maybe not as fast as we'd like.. :(
 
The supplement game is an interesting one, that's for sure.
 
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They provided documentation of 1 ingredient, there still are going to be skeptics out there on cutting costs and the rest of the formula.
 
Well of course....you could test it and it turn out perfect....and they will say everything is photoshopped...

...like another document you talk about..:lol:
 
Admin said:
Well of course....you could test it and it turn out perfect....and they will say everything is photoshopped...

...like another document you talk about..:lol:
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lol...I think the Bilderberg group established this company to release bunk products to mandate new extreme regulatory laws and to destroy the entire supplement business to hand over the rights and powers to pharmaceutical industry.

Well, not really, lol
 
ax1 said:
lol...I think the Bildebergur group established this company to release bunk products to mandate new extreme regulatory laws and to destroy the entire supplement business to hand over the rights and powers to pharmaceutical industry.

Well, not really, lol
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no way....it was the free masons...this is above the Bildebergur pay grade.
 
Wait.....I thought it was aliens? In fact, I saw it on ancient aliens so it has to be true.
 
definitely is higher than that. Has to the be the iluminatis.
 
How come no one asks every supplement company to see their certificates of authentic raws? Why doesnt someone thats taken bioforge just purchase a bottle and see if it works as well?
 
fightbackhxc said:
How come no one asks every supplement company to see their certificates of authentic raws? Why doesnt someone thats taken bioforge just purchase a bottle and see if it works as well?
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If the raws are coming from an un-reputable chinese source for example in order to cut costs CoA's are quite meaningless. We are talking about a county who continually scams and taints their own milk products. CoA's are just products by the source and it say, hey we have real shyt!

Going by if it works well doesnt confirm its legitimacy, as anything could be in it. The only way is for someone to order it and have it directly sent to Chromodex for a lab analysis.

That being said, I think this company needs to be treated fairly by the consumers at this point and nobody should jump to conclusions on any accusations. They really havent done anything wrong.
 
fightbackhxc said:
How come no one asks every supplement company to see their certificates of authentic raws? Why doesnt someone thats taken bioforge just purchase a bottle and see if it works as well?
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Well, we want something solid. Natreon Inc, the compnay that licenses the two of the raws said they have NO sales receipt to any company named Vidasupps or vidasupps.com. They want to know what name he buys under too so they don't have to pursue legal actions.

Think about it, Raul posts a doc saying they purchase from Natreon, and Natreon says they have no idea who vidasupps is. there is still more that needs to be cleared up.
 
monstermash said:
Well, we want something solid. Natreon Inc, the compnay that licenses the two of the raws said they have NO sales receipt to any company named Vidasupps or vidasupps.com. They want to know what name he buys under too so they don't have to pursue legal actions.

Think about it, Raul posts a doc saying they purchase from Natreon, and Natreon says they have no idea who vidasupps is. there is still more that needs to be cleared up.
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ax1 said:
If the raws are coming from an un-reputable chinese source for example in order to cut costs CoA's are quite meaningless. We are talking about a county who continually scams and taints their own milk products. CoA's are just products by the source and it say, hey we have real shyt!

Going by if it works well doesnt confirm its legitimacy, as anything could be in it. The only way is for someone to order it and have it directly sent to Chromodex for a lab analysis.

That being said, I think this company needs to be treated fairly by the consumers at this point and nobody should jump to conclusions on any accusations. They really havent done anything wrong.
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monstermash said:
Well, we want something solid. Natreon Inc, the compnay that licenses the two of the raws said they have NO sales receipt to any company named Vidasupps or vidasupps.com. They want to know what name he buys under too so they don't have to pursue legal actions.

Think about it, Raul posts a doc saying they purchase from Natreon, and Natreon says they have no idea who vidasupps is. there is still more that needs to be cleared up.
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My point is, no one does this with any other company. I dont see any one requesting raws from any other brands....perhaps you can get him to hand out some free bottles and have a few people on here log it. That's how we form our opinion on the effectiveness of supps about 90% of the time. People hardly ever just go out and buy a product and send it to a lab for testing. Now that we are less concerned about it being a CC scam, this seems like more of a viable choice until Raul releases more information ( if he can or ever does ).
 
So in essence, some fool known as "huge" makes unsubstantiated claims, and now Vida has to go out of their way to prove themselves? Interesting :hmmm:
 
fightbackhxc said:
My point is, no one does this with any other company. I dont see any one requesting raws from any other brands....perhaps you can get him to hand out some free bottles and have a few people on here log it. That's how we form our opinion on the effectiveness of supps about 90% of the time. People hardly ever just go out and buy a product and send it to a lab for testing. Now that we are less concerned about it being a CC scam, this seems like more of a viable choice until Raul releases more information ( if he can or ever does ).
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Some people don't understand the concept of a parent company, or DBA, or the idea you don't want your private company info out there.....mainly for liability in this industry.

Instead, the idea of someone fabricating a receipt out of nowhere with pricing and the exact ingredient seems more plausible. Its not even testing results, its a friggin receipt..now we are questioning whether a receipt is valid.

But the person who accuses someone of credit card fraud with no proof is a good bro and trustworthy. Got it...
 
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Seems like a genuine issue. I know you were mainly concerned with the credit card thing. No problem there but my issue with the Natreon raws is separate thing altogether. If they didn't claim to be using licensed raws there would be no problem and if they don't wanna get this issue resolved then I just won't buy BUT I do want to buy and I hope they would want to clear something easy like this up for more potential customers... end rant

ax1 said:
If the raws are coming from an un-reputable chinese source for example in order to cut costs CoA's are quite meaningless. We are talking about a county who continually scams and taints their own milk products. CoA's are just products by the source and it say, hey we have real shyt!

Going by if it works well doesnt confirm its legitimacy, as anything could be in it. The only way is for someone to order it and have it directly sent to Chromodex for a lab analysis.

That being said, I think this company needs to be treated fairly by the consumers at this point and nobody should jump to conclusions on any accusations. They really havent done anything wrong.
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emails directly from natreon...

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Please be advised, Vidasupps.com has never purchased any of our ingredients directly from Natreon, Inc., unless they purchased our products under a different company name, that we are unaware of.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention.


Kind Regards,

Jen Kim
Sales & Marketing Associate
Natreon, Inc.
2-D Janine Place
New Brunswick, NJ 08901
T: 732.296.1080
F: 732.296.1075

To Whom It May Concern:

Please be advised, Natreon, Inc. does not have any relations with Vidasupps.com.* We have tried reaching out to this company to see where they are receiving our products, PrimaVie® and Sensoril®, but to no avail, they have not yet responded.

We are looking into this matter and will take the appropriate actions.

Thank you and with regards,

Jen Kim
Sales & Marketing Associate
Natreon, Inc.
2-D Janine Place
New Brunswick, NJ 08901
T: 732.296.1080
F: 732.296.1075

fightbackhxc said:
My point is, no one does this with any other company. I dont see any one requesting raws from any other brands....perhaps you can get him to hand out some free bottles and have a few people on here log it. That's how we form our opinion on the effectiveness of supps about 90% of the time. People hardly ever just go out and buy a product and send it to a lab for testing. Now that we are less concerned about it being a CC scam, this seems like more of a viable choice until Raul releases more information ( if he can or ever does ).
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logs do not prove they have the labeled ingredients in their supp.
 
ax1 said:
That being said, I think this company needs to be treated fairly by the consumers at this point and nobody should jump to conclusions on any accusations. They really havent done anything wrong.
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i don't think anyone's putting them down other then the opposition, we just want the answers then we'll be happy.
the only person who hasn't treated them fairly is the Biotivia rep which annoys me greatly, fair enough about being pissed off that somebody has possibly created a clone, but to make claims like he did is going a bit far.
 
monstermash said:
Please be advised, Vidasupps.com has never purchased any of our ingredients directly from Natreon, Inc., unless they purchased our products under a different company name, that we are unaware of.
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"unless they purchased our products under a different company name, that we are unaware of."

Its nothing to be jumpy about, most likely and I would expect that the purchaser used a parent company or his real name on Natreon's account.

We can go through this with every company, I dont understand why everybody is singling out Vita.
 
monstermash said:
Seems like a genuine issue. I know you were mainly concerned with the credit card thing. No problem there but my issue with the Natreon raws is separate thing altogether. If they didn't claim to be using licensed raws there would be no problem and if they don't wanna get this issue resolved then I just won't buy BUT I do want to buy and I hope they would want to clear something easy like this up for more potential customers... end rant



emails directly from natreon...

***********
Please be advised, Vidasupps.com has never purchased any of our ingredients directly from Natreon, Inc., unless they purchased our products under a different company name, that we are unaware of.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention.


Kind Regards,

Jen Kim
Sales & Marketing Associate
Natreon, Inc.
2-D Janine Place
New Brunswick, NJ 08901
T: 732.296.1080
F: 732.296.1075

To Whom It May Concern:

Please be advised, Natreon, Inc. does not have any relations with Vidasupps.com.* We have tried reaching out to this company to see where they are receiving our products, PrimaVie® and Sensoril®, but to no avail, they have not yet responded.

We are looking into this matter and will take the appropriate actions.

Thank you and with regards,

Jen Kim
Sales & Marketing Associate
Natreon, Inc.
2-D Janine Place
New Brunswick, NJ 08901
T: 732.296.1080
F: 732.296.1075



logs do not prove they have the labeled ingredients in their supp.
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unless they purchased our products under a different company name, that we are unaware of.


He posted a receipt with the buyer (his parent company/buyer) blacked out.... Of course they bought it under a another name. He even said in his post we are hiding the buyer info. Companies do this...ALL THE TIME...


What is it about this concept you don't get?!?!?!
 
Potatobake said:
i don't think anyone's putting them down other then the opposition, we just want the answers then we'll be happy.
the only person who hasn't treated them fairly is the Biotivia rep which annoys me greatly, fair enough about being pissed off that somebody has possibly created a clone, but to make claims like he did is going a bit far.
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Everything should be properly investigated and confirmed prior to making claims, although general questions and skepticism are fine. Assuming this...and assuming that.....and using quotes posted by other members on other boards isn't the way of going about business for sure.
 
This is what in my opinion its all going to come down too,

I would expect with 99.9% certainty that a company that had their product cloned purchase a bottle and send it directly for lab analysis. If the lab analysis proves any bunk product the lab tests will be scanned and posted on the internet and it will spread like wild fire. If the lab results prove authentic product, the lab results never happened.

If I dont see anything in the next couple of months, I would have confidence that the product was tested and confirm legit in a independent lab.
 
ax1 said:
This is what in my opinion its all going to come down too,

I would expect with 99.9% certainty that a company that had their product cloned purchase a bottle and send it directly for lab analysis. If the lab analysis proves any bunk product the lab tests will be scanned and posted on the internet and it will spread like wild fire. If the lab results prove authentic product, the lab results never happened.

If I dont see anything in the next couple of months, I would have confidence that the product was tested and confirm legit in a independent lab.
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Then company gets sued.
 
Admin said:
unless they purchased our products under a different company name, that we are unaware of.


He posted a receipt with the buyer (his parent company/buyer) blacked out.... Of course they bought it under a another name. He even said in his post we are hiding the buyer info. Companies do this...ALL THE TIME...


What is it about this concept you don't get?!?!?!
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I apologize as i have misinterpreted the situation. I never had the question addressed directly and was just feeling like that's a bad sign.

Like ax1 said, someone will most likely have it tested. I'll wait. I won't post again about it.
 
monstermash said:
I apologize as i have misinterpreted the situation. I never had the question addressed directly and was just feeling like that's a bad sign.

Like ax1 said, someone will most likely have it tested. I'll wait. I won't post again about it.
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He sort of did..which is why he said some info has been blacked out. You can only come to one conclusion...he is not using Vidasupps (the name) to purchase.

The thing that bothers me is the credit card accusation....the raw questions come up with every company at one time or another....I usually don't bother with that at all.....but the credit card thing I have to check out because I don't want members card info being stolen. Since he uses Paypal, thats almost 99.9% impossible....and knowing that, it irritates the hell out of me that someone gets accused of that. Business owners have it tough enough starting out in this ****hole of an economic environment without having to deal with that ****. Thats just ****ed up....

Of course they have a beef with being copied, but thats the supp industry...you know that going into it...if you want to protect it, patent it.
 
monstermash said:
logs do not prove they have the labeled ingredients in their supp.
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Then we must test every brands supplements on this board. Because every company might be subject to fraud.
 
thats one f'ed up avi... :lol:
 
I agree with the admin on this. It is not the raws issue, it is the overall accusation and tone of the accusations. By even making mention of this, this bb.com guy can ruin a companies reputation and any potential business that they have. Its pathetic, and with him as a rep, makes business with Biotivia a bit problematic for me personally.
 
Feel The Burn said:
VitaTest is legit...and meets label claims.
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Have you used it? This is good news... what else can you tell us to settle some rattled nerves in this thread?
 
fightbackhxc said:
Have you used it? This is good news... what else can you tell us to settle some rattled nerves in this thread?
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Not used it, but did confirm with the manufacturer that they do produce this product for Vidasupps....and I can assure you that what's on the label, is infact in the bottle. Vidasupps is unknown to Natreon because they were not the purchaser. This is a common practice, and will remain private.
 
Feel The Burn said:
Not used it, but did confirm with the manufacturer that they do produce this product for Vidasupps....and I can assure you that what's on the label, is infact in the bottle. Vidasupps is unknown to Natreon because they were not the purchaser. This is a common practice, and will remain private.
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according to bb.com, you're wrong :lol:
 
What disgust me is how close they seem to be with AM forum staff, especially the admin.
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Thanks for sending me this!

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I'm part owner now... :lol:


Man, it NEVER ends...:rofl:
 
Admin said:
Thanks for sending me this!

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I'm part owner now... :lol:


Man, it NEVER ends...:rofl:
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So you gonna produce the COA then breh? lawlz
 
ax1 said:
Wow, that post makes me want to buy a 3 month supply now, lol
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You'll be helping me write myself a check for advertising on my forum. :lol:


Thank god I had to upgrade to 4.1.5 or I would have never seen this... :D
 
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