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Patrick Arnold's Monsterdrol Findings

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Well now this thread has been derailed. So fo thos who don't wanna read everything, I'll catch ya up.

PA has tested it twice and found no steroid. He feels the way he tested it, the steroid should have shown up.

Nate still feels the active ingredient is in there, since so many people seem happy with product, but will refund money if you send your bottle in.

That's about as far as were gonna get on this whole topic. So either send yours back or keep it cause I don't think there will be any new info.

Oh and don't forget to rep me on your way out! HahahhahahH
 
ZamaMan said:
Well now this thread has been derailed. So fo thos who don't wanna read everything, I'll catch ya up.

PA has tested it twice and found no steroid. He feels the way he tested it, the steroid should have shown up.

Nate still feels the active ingredient is in there, since so many people seem happy with product, but will refund money if you send your bottle in.

That's about as far as were gonna get on this whole topic. So either send yours back or keep it cause I don't think there will be any new info.

Oh and don't forget to rep me on your way out! HahahhahahH
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So you're saying the chances of seeing test results from Needto are out the window?
 
jumper75 said:
So you're saying the chances of seeing test results from Needto are out the window?
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No not saying that at all... But doesn't seem like it will be here any time soon. But from the sounds of the testing he was talking about. Seems like he's only having it tested for impurities not the actually compound. I believe he feels no one can Identify it due to not having a standard for it. So don't get your hopes up on learning too much more.
 
Yukon Cornelius said:
There has been a whole bunk "insert product here" problem with half the companies on here...and in the industry.
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i have tested hormonal supplements for years and found that as much as half of them contain one or more of the following

wrong steroid, a ****load of steroid side products, or nothing at all


Thats why none of what you say there surprises me.
 
biggfly said:
If i remember, there were some batch numbers that were thought to be bad, but it wasnt an entire product in full. CEL handled it very well. They came out with what batch numbers they believed to be bunk, and refunded/replaced. What they did not do, is say I will refund you, HOWEVER, we are going to stand by those particular batches nonetheless.
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CEL a long time back was not testing their stuff and i tested some of their stuff and found it to be bad. Instead of getting antagonistic they hired me to test all their raws and ultimately became one of the most trusted brands out there
 
biggfly said:
The other thing that stands out to me is the former reps etc of NTBM and Nate. I have seen other reps from other companies leave one for another or just decide to step down from being a rep altogether. Yet the ones who leave NTBM have a discerning, and powerful distaste for the man himself and his ways. This to me sends up a red flag about him. I am not going to be convinced that simply by not being reps, these guys are going to be this bitter and have this amount of animosity without some merit or warrant.
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And let's not forget that N2KS(with a similar profile to jacked) and Slin Sane(with prety mainstream ingrediants) are both getting better reviews than they should be.
 
HereToStudy said:
If you are going to accuse, do it with some merit. Slin Sane is not a product even made by Need2.
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I was about to attribute the breakup of my last relationship to need2...still not convinced that he didn't have something to do with her saying "if you don't want to get married someday then I'm wasting my time"....oh well thank god for chatroulette.
 
monsterdrol xt isn't made by ntbm either...
 
southpaw23 said:
I was about to attribute the breakup of my last relationship to need2...still not convinced that he didn't have something to do with her saying "if you don't want to get married someday then I'm wasting my time"....oh well thank god for chatroulette.
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If Chatroulette doesn't work out, there's always men seeking women (or vice-versa) on Craigslist!
 
hoopem6 said:
I don't know, man... But, Juggalettes are always looking for some wicked clown love in the personals section!
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I mean who wouldn't like to dress up as clown, in the dark with strobe lights and then fall asleep in their broom closet? Sounds normal to me.
 
hoopem6 said:
Silly clowns... Always actin' a fool while under the influence of Faygo...
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the only thing worse than dressing up as a clown is putting a lebron james jersey on
 
hoopem6 said:
Especially if you decide to wear it to a Cleveland sporting event...

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Dude looks like a douche anyways . . . proves it by paying for 3 jerseys, I dont care whose jersey it is, it is just pointless to pay that much $$$$ for a jersey . . . but you gotta "represent". DBag
 
I dont have time to read all this stuff, but did anyone consider the possability that the batch that was sent to testers was a strong hormone/prohormone, but the stuff sold at retail was just piperine?

I believe this will be an effective rip off scenario in the future, since a product can be made/killed on forum logs these days.
 
ironman2388 said:
Like I said, we sill don't know what they received.
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K just wanted to make sure people knew it wasnt like the people who have logged MDXT on here received something "special" or anything. They went to the website and ordered it just like everyone else who bought it.
 
muscl3s said:
the only thing worse than dressing up as a clown is putting a lebron james jersey on
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alright since this thread has gone wayyyy off track, i'll throw this out there. everytime i glance at your avitar man...it looks like a penis lol
 
Hey tomahawk. that avi... thats a clip from a show called the walking dead? lol it has to be, thats the girl that he saw and then shot in the head... tell me im right.
 
Pipes said:
Hey tomahawk. that avi... thats a clip from a show called the walking dead? lol it has to be, thats the girl that he saw and then shot in the head... tell me im right.
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Yup u r right. Love that show and cant wait for season 2. She is my anti kid lol.
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Yup u r right. Love that show and cant wait for season 2. She is my anti kid lol.
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yea man, i have the last two episodes on dvr, dont want to watch them yet.. then i would be pissed i have to wait till next season lol.. same thing with sons of anarchy, last episode on dvr havent watched it yet.
 
FrankJ said:
I dont have time to read all this stuff, but did anyone consider the possability that the batch that was sent to testers was a strong hormone/prohormone, but the stuff sold at retail was just piperine?

I believe this will be an effective rip off scenario in the future, since a product can be made/killed on forum logs these days.
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Ok maybe just maybe I got screwed by a lab. Ya I ****ed up and did not test the product before selling it and that is why I am in this mess and IBE so easily Phucked me in the ass. But really I mean I dont get these kinds of Accusations.

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I have had NTBM since the end of 2008. I have had the same Return policy since day one and when I started RLS I use the same Policy of doing business with the customers. This is not something I just started with this product. It is Something I have been doing since day one with many reported cases of customers getting there refunds for any and every kind of reason with out questions.

Why on ether would I sell a product that I know is not going to do anything for some one? Knowing damn well if I did more then half of them would get returned for refunds. I dont say "if you open then bottle" I will not give you a refund. I do not have any of the normal restrictions like most places have.

Almost every store out there in order to get a refund ( about 90% or more of them) 1 must do the follow.
1.report the problem with in 24 hours
2.can not return something with out it being Authorized first.
3.Can not return a opened or used product
4.If the product is damaged during shipping they must send it back to get the refund and report it within 24 hours and get some one on the phone or email who will Authorize the return to get a refund.
5.And even if you do get a refund most place will charge you a restocking fee.

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with these policies as they are pretty much a Industry standard. I am just saying that they have never been MY standard.

Only thing I ask is that you not wait 4 months before asking for a refund.


Now since I have a refund policy like this that I have always stuck to and many people can attest to this fact. HOw exactly would I be able to pull of this said " Rip off scenario"
I would have to not give the kind of refund that I give. I would have to tell people once they found out the product is not working for them " HA HA TO BAD you open the bottle now no refund"

I am sorry but that may be other places but it is not and has never been me.. Thank you
 
FrankJ said:
I dont have time to read all this stuff, but did anyone consider the possability that the batch that was sent to testers was a strong hormone/prohormone, but the stuff sold at retail was just piperine?

I believe this will be an effective rip off scenario in the future, since a product can be made/killed on forum logs these days.
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OK Seriously. I understand the concern for the product, but he did admit to not testing raws. The scenario you mentioned above would be very hard to pull off in this industry, particularly on forums where one bad review of the product causes an outcry of hate. You can be upset raws weren't tested, but no point in creating conspiracy theories.
 
needtogetmuscle said:
Ok maybe just maybe I got screwed by a lab. Ya I ****ed up and did not test the product before selling it and that is why I am in this mess and IBE so easily Phucked me in the ass. But really I mean I dont get these kinds of Accusations.

I have had NTBM since the end of 2008. I have had the same Return policy since day one and when I started RLS I use the same Policy of doing business with the customers. This is not something I just started with this product. It is Something I have been doing since day one with many reported cases of customers getting there refunds for any and every kind of reason with out questions.

Why on ether would I sell a product that I know is not going to do anything for some one? Knowing damn well if I did more then half of them would get returned for refunds. I dont say "if you open then bottle" I will not give you a refund. I do not have any of the normal restrictions like most places have.

Almost every store out there in order to get a refund ( about 90% or more of them) 1 must do the follow.
1.report the problem with in 24 hours
2.can not return something with out it being Authorized first.
3.Can not return a opened or used product
4.If the product is damaged during shipping they must send it back to get the refund and report it within 24 hours and get some one on the phone or email who will Authorize the return to get a refund.
5.And even if you do get a refund most place will charge you a restocking fee.

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with these policies as they are pretty much a Industry standard. I am just saying that they have never been MY standard.

Only thing I ask is that you not wait 4 months before asking for a refund.


Now since I have a refund policy like this that I have always stuck to and many people can attest to this fact. HOw exactly would I be able to pull of this said " Rip off scenario"
I would have to not give the kind of refund that I give. I would have to tell people once they found out the product is not working for them " HA HA TO BAD you open the bottle now no refund"

I am sorry but that may be other places but it is not and has never been me.. Thank you
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You realize your statements make yourself and your company both civilly and criminally liable for your actions, correct? What you've done and your continued behavior can be construed as reckless endangerment and worse. Not to mention the truth in labeling issues that would interest the Federal Trade Commission. And you people wonder why the government is cracking down on "supplements"?

Here's a quick breakdown of reckless endangerment:

A person commits the crime of reckless endangerment if the person recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of physical injury to another person. “Reckless” conduct is conduct that exhibits a culpable disregard of foreseeable consequences to others from the act or omission involved. The accused need not intentionally cause a resulting harm or know that his conduct is substantially certain to cause that result. The ultimate question is whether, under all the circumstances, the accused’s conduct was of that heedless nature that made it actually or imminently dangerous to the rights or safety of others.


For the reps here's a quick breakdown of civil conspiracy:

A conspiracy may refer to a group of people who make an agreement to form a partnership in which each member becomes the agent or partner of every other member and engage in planning or agreeing to commit some act. It is not necessary that the conspirators be involved in all stages of planning or be aware of all details. Any voluntary agreement and some overt act by one conspirator in furthance of the plan are the main elements necessary to prove a conspiracy. Even when no crime is involved, a civil action for conspiracy may be brought by the persons who were damaged.
 
ironman2388 said:
You realize your statements make yourself and your company both civilly and criminally liable for your actions, correct? What you've done and your continued behavior can be construed as reckless endangerment and worse. Not to mention the truth in labeling issues that would interest the Federal Trade Commission. And you people wonder why the government is cracking down on "supplements"?

Here's a quick breakdown of reckless endangerment:

A person commits the crime of reckless endangerment if the person recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of physical injury to another person. “Reckless” conduct is conduct that exhibits a culpable disregard of foreseeable consequences to others from the act or omission involved. The accused need not intentionally cause a resulting harm or know that his conduct is substantially certain to cause that result. The ultimate question is whether, under all the circumstances, the accused’s conduct was of that heedless nature that made it actually or imminently dangerous to the rights or safety of others.


For the reps here's a quick breakdown of civil conspiracy:

A conspiracy may refer to a group of people who make an agreement to form a partnership in which each member becomes the agent or partner of every other member and engage in planning or agreeing to commit some act. It is not necessary that the conspirators be involved in all stages of planning or be aware of all details. Any voluntary agreement and some overt act by one conspirator in furthance of the plan are the main elements necessary to prove a conspiracy. Even when no crime is involved, a civil action for conspiracy may be brought by the persons who were damaged.
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Hey bud....you now know your a snitch right? pointing this out and drawing attention makes you lower than low....weather right or wrong...you just don't do that

ohhh and even though the first person said there was lead in the findings, PA didn't seem to find anything but a product thats in a lot of other things...so it's not reckless because no one to this point has gotten hurt by the stuff

so even if the stuff thats supposed to be in the product isn't, if there isn't anything harmful in that how is it reckless endangerment?
 
I don't know what ou find endangering bro? PA said the caps were clean. He just couldn't find any steroid in it. Hardly life threatening.
 
Young Gotti said:
Hey bud....you now know your a snitch right? pointing this out and drawing attention makes you lower than low....weather right or wrong...you just don't do that

ohhh and even though the first person said there was lead in the findings, PA didn't seem to find anything but a product thats in a lot of other things...so it's not reckless because no one to this point has gotten hurt by the stuff

so even if the stuff thats supposed to be in the product isn't, if there isn't anything harmful in that how is it reckless endangerment?
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Clearly you have no understanding of the law and an IQ rivaling that of a grapefruit. Snitch? When somebody uses that word in this context it's clear they have some issues. Whistleblower would be more accurate. Can you read English? I don't see the confusion here. Reckless endangerment is just that, reckless endangerment. The statutue doesn't limit itself to physical injury. A violation of rights, putting people at risk, etc. can all be forms of reckless endangerment. If I drive my 3000GT at 150mph down the highway, but don't hurt anyone I can still be charged with reckless endangerment. Knowing anything about the law would make that obvious though. This is much worse.
 
Young Gotti said:
Hey bud....you now know your a snitch right? pointing this out and drawing attention makes you lower than low....weather right or wrong...you just don't do that

ohhh and even though the first person said there was lead in the findings, PA didn't seem to find anything but a product thats in a lot of other things...so it's not reckless because no one to this point has gotten hurt by the stuff

so even if the stuff thats supposed to be in the product isn't, if there isn't anything harmful in that how is it reckless endangerment?
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Oh and btw, I understand how much life must suck being a 5'5 165lb guido. I deal with them all the time on LI. I now realize why you hopped on the NTBM bandwagon. You're pathetic and need some type of image to go for. Young Gotti might be the most homosexual user name I've seen. Grow up.
 
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