Patrick Arnold's Monsterdrol Findings

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Patrick Arnold said:
Yeah thats what I was expecting. Well, i was not expecting that it would be easy to identify necessarily but I was hoping that at least i could get a mass spectrum to work with. But my caps showed nothing but piperine

Apparently what I received was not what was tested by RTP. Thats the only explanation i can think of
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Could this notion support the previous theory that miscellaneous findings are the result of improper manufacturing? I remember reading that the powder inside the capsules varied from capsule to capsule. So, is Bioperine just another variance in this broad spectrum of possible ingredients found in Monsterdrol XT?
 
with a little (or alot?) of searching, you can find the lab that produced mdxt. I've seen it mentioned, but dont really care.

I dont know about test. all I can say is I personally will never know about mdxt for sure, because I do not have a bottle of it.

maybe i'll try to purchase a bottle from someone who got a bogo deal on it, so I can run the product, and put up my opinion.

cause we can all argue till we pass out, but until we use it, none of use know.but i'd like to.

for some, there are a few members who if they posted a review of the product, that would be gtg for them. and I have the same opinions towards a few members of various boards.

sucks. maybe more raw steroid will be produced and we'll see this compound again.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
sounds like it was the contract manufacturer that got the raws to put in the caps. perhaps we should be asking the questions to them, whoever them may be
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NTBM,

Was/is the contract manufacturer GMP-certified and/or adhering to GMP certification guidelines at the time of manufacturing? Do they have reference samples they could provide to Patrick, and do you have retention samples that a cross-analysis could be run on?
 
Mulletsoldier said:
NTBM,

Was/is the contract manufacturer GMP-certified and/or adhering to GMP certification guidelines at the time of manufacturing? Do they have reference samples they could provide to Patrick, and do you have retention samples that a cross-analysis could be run on?
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You know the answer to this question mang, you been around as long or longer than i have.

a GMP manufacturer will NOT product a non-dshea ingredient product that is intended to be sold in the USA.
 
VaughnTrue said:
You know the answer to this question mang, you been around as long or longer than i have.

a GMP manufacturer will NOT product a non-dshea ingredient product that is intended to be sold in the USA.
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True, though a facility does not need to be certified to voluntarily conform to GMP guidelines.
 
Yukon Cornelius said:
So in other words, you don't want to take any responsibility for what you say.

If you follow the rules, you won't have a problem with me. That simple.
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I don't know how you operate, but there was some guy posting in here asking where he could find M1T...... I replied that I wasn't going to tell him where he could find it because that was against the rules, but it shouldn't be too hard to find since he has internet access.. I was negged 50,000 reps by David Dunn with a little reply that said ''aren't you mr. helpfull'' (or something like that). I thought that was uncalled for. How was that breaking the rules i've seen many many posts just like that.. So with some Mods you get punished even if your following the rules
 
Mulletsoldier said:
True, though a facility does not need to be certified to voluntarily conform to GMP guidelines.
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100% agreed.


However, without being certified GMP, you cannot be considered GMP...regardless of how clean/particular your manufacturing plant may be.
 
hoopem6 said:
Could this notion support the previous theory that miscellaneous findings are the result of improper manufacturing? I remember reading that the powder inside the capsules varied from capsule to capsule. So, is Bioperine just another variance in this broad spectrum of possible ingredients found in Monsterdrol XT?
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I would rather avoid making any statements on my results and what their significance might be beyond chemistry issues. I tested some unlabeled caps and found them to contain a small amount of piperine. I detected nothing else.
 
VaughnTrue said:
You know the answer to this question mang, you been around as long or longer than i have.

a GMP manufacturer will NOT product a non-dshea ingredient product that is intended to be sold in the USA.
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or so they will have you believe

money talks you know
 
Bigchourico said:
I don't know how you operate, but there was some guy posting in here asking where he could find M1T...... I replied that I wasn't going to tell him where he could find it because that was against the rules, but it shouldn't be too hard to find since he has internet access.. I was negged 50,000 reps by David Dunn with a little reply that said ''aren't you mr. helpfull'' (or something like that). I thought that was uncalled for. How was that breaking the rules i've seen many many posts just like that.. So with some Mods you get punished even if your following the rules
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somebody neg this bastard :lol:
 
VaughnTrue said:
100% agreed.


However, without being certified GMP, you cannot be considered GMP...regardless of how clean/particular your manufacturing plant may be.
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and you can be GMP certified and then as soon as the inspectors leave you can go right back to crapping on the floor and having sex in the blending room
 
VaughnTrue said:
haha no i know, iw asnt putting you down.


just stating that you arent adhering to GMP requirements if they use nondshea ingredients.
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i dont think manufacturers make much of an effort to determine if the ingredients provided to them are dshea compliant. certainly if something is obviously problematic (i.e. a designer steroid) they will say no. But many nondshea or very questionably dshea things get processed in GMP plants. The customer usually just has to promise the stuff is dshea pretty much and the manufacturer will believe
 
Wow i just stumbled upon this thread today and read this all. Seems to be alot of personal attacks going on in the first few pages. But i'd rather debate whats going on with the pills that PA got since besides the other test these are the only results we have right now. I can't help but notice Nate hasn't said anything about what the findings are so far. He just makes these long winded post that i don't really read in depth through. Can Nate tell us that he has gone through the proper chain of custody with his caps he is sending to the labs just curious?
 
HereToStudy said:
Nothing like sweet sweet sex in the blending room. :hump:
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Didn't you know HTS that's the best way intake your steroids. American pie style!! I always insert my roids directly in my penis... Image what's gonna happen when I pin huh? Lol
 
Before someone gets carried away with the flaming could we all remember that keeping this open is in the best interest of the customer- whether you like NTBM or not.

So, if you want to slag off mods/NTBM/anyone else at least be subtle about it!
 
ZamaMan said:
Didn't you know HTS that's the best way intake your steroids. American pie style!! I always insert my roids directly in my penis... Image what's gonna happen when I pin huh? Lol
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Hey, I repped you. You have been unpunished.
 
bdcc said:
Before someone gets carried away with the flaming could we all remember that keeping this open is in the best interest of the customer- whether you like NTBM or not.

So, if you want to slag off mods/NTBM/anyone else at least be subtle about it!
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Or at least insult me in a way that's funny :)
 
Someone will have to break the trend judging by the insults you have received thus far...
 
bdcc said:
Someone will have to break the trend judging by the insults you have received thus far...
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I feel honored. Not all of us can be a corrupt Nazi :)
 
Even made T-Shirts!


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Bigchourico said:
I'm gonna go punish my son now for no reason because your making me feel emotional..I can't neg him, i don't have That kind of power, but i will take away his X-BOX.:toofunny:
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Dude, thats just mean. Thats much worse than my neg!
 
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ironman2388 said:
I don't get why a company would use untested raws from an untrusted source though. I guess cutting corners to save a buck at the customers expense makes sense, but it would be great if NTBM could elaborate on the source of their bunk monsterdrol if it wasn't done intentionally by them.
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Exactly ! You dont put out a new compound without it being tested ...AND retested.

What i want to know is why in the hell weren't the rest of the PHs tested??It seems to me clearing their name should have been the #1 priority of N2BM
 
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