ntbm-forma-stanzol

Tomahawk88 said:
Man u r making me cant wait to try this ish. Im still killing it in PCT but damn it will be nice to get that rush from Forma.
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skin irritation [rash] was becoming a problem with other td formestane products-i am thrilled beyond belief that i can still use formestane without the worry of itchy red patches where i apply it. this really is a superb product!
 
dropped another pound and looking leaner. skin is tightening up at areas of application-this is very good, since i have some loose skin from dropping a bunch of weight.
 
andrew732 said:
The horse chestnut seed extract is no joke when comes to tightening the skin.
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tell me more about the horsechestnut.

my skin is without a doubt showing tightening effects at sites i have been applying to. going to try the entire 10 pumps on my abs both times i apply today-abs is a spot i normally avoid with other td formestane products because for some reason it seems overall formestane effect is reduced when applying there.
 
thebigt said:
tell me more about the horsechestnut.

my skin is without a doubt showing tightening effects at sites i have been applying to. going to try the entire 10 pumps on my abs both times i apply today-abs is a spot i normally avoid with other td formestane products because for some reason it seems overall formestane effect is reduced when applying there.
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It basically reduces the water retention from where you apply it which leads to controlled blood pressure and nice striated dense muscle appearance.
 
thebigt said:
tell me more about the horsechestnut.

my skin is without a doubt showing tightening effects at sites i have been applying to. going to try the entire 10 pumps on my abs both times i apply today-abs is a spot i normally avoid with other td formestane products because for some reason it seems overall formestane effect is reduced when applying there.
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Good stuff! I will try this instead of CEL's next time.

Good log BigT, surprised theres not abunch of Libido pics this time:O
 
sorry for the lack of updates, had a family thing i had to take care of.


was back in the gym this morning, and things are looking good. my abs are looking leaner, but not sure if it is from applying there-i will continue applying 10 pumps 1 time a day to abs and see if results keep coming.
 
Just saw this log for the first time and read something I didn't know.

I was not aware dmso was used as a delievery agent which is awesome. I am a huge huge dmso fan, I use it for everything from sore joints to back pumps to sprained ankles
Huge thumbs up to ntbm for thinking outside the box and using it.
My oly real question then is is it 99.9 percent dmso, or is it a solution?
Also dmso is one of the strongest solvents around and since I don't know what percent is used I can't comment to much but after years of reading on dmso I know it should not be kept in plastic bottles. I am not sure what happens when you have it as a solution of something else but I know on its on it should be in a sterile glass bottle only.
Maybe ntbm could chime in on this, and also mention if they have med grade dmso or if they are using the more common vet grade
 
indysoccer16 said:
Just saw this log for the first time and read something I didn't know.

I was not aware dmso was used as a delievery agent which is awesome. I am a huge huge dmso fan, I use it for everything from sore joints to back pumps to sprained ankles
Huge thumbs up to ntbm for thinking outside the box and using it.
My oly real question then is is it 99.9 percent dmso, or is it a solution?
Also dmso is one of the strongest solvents around and since I don't know what percent is used I can't comment to much but after years of reading on dmso I know it should not be kept in plastic bottles. I am not sure what happens when you have it as a solution of something else but I know on its on it should be in a sterile glass bottle only.
Maybe ntbm could chime in on this, and also mention if they have med grade dmso or if they are using the more common vet grade
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nice-good questions-i too would like to know the answers.


thanks for chiming in-feel free to add more!!!
 
It is no where near 99% my friend. I know everyone keeps asking away at the "what in the delivery system used" and to be 100% honest the less I can say about it the better. I dont really mind at all if people don't like the fact that we are being as discrete as we can about the delivery system. ( no disrespect intended at all though)

Some people will throw a fit, others ( competition mostly) will hone in on this and try to hype it up and make the biggest deal they can about it. O well!!!!

The delivery system is the best there is. Many many people who have been using transdermals for a very very long time have said its by far the best they have ever seen. Many people who have used every kind of formastane product out there have said this is by far the best they have ever used.

The system is 100% safe, it 100% works,its got plenty if not more then enough feedback and backing from more then enough people.

Its a combination of chemical and natural delivery agent that is mostly natural. A lot more natural really lol..

To the question its self about dmso having to be in a glass container at all times. Yes It would be so if one were to be using 100% or even close to that percentage of dmso. even then I have seen many doctors laugh when asked if DMSO must only be used in a glass container. It does hoever make for a outstanding sales pitch or negative sales pitch for other companies using it in just glass. They can throw out the pitch " never ever use the competitors products that are sold in anything but glass!!!" " we got the best and here's why!!!!"

Keep in mind when mixed with other compounds and of course when used in very minimal amounts other polymers can safely be used. Safety is always a number one concern and I for sure would never ever want anyone to get sick.

If you wanted to do your own homework you could look up the subject and find thousands of mixtures and lots of reading to do on the topic... DMSO products of all kinds (not high % dmso) are sold in everything from ceramic and glass to plan plastic spray bottles.

1 popular doctor sells a hair treatment product that is in a plastic bottle and comes with a plastic dropper. I will not link in though.

A 100% or even above 90% DMSO mix could cause corrosion and at that % would drag anything it came in contact with into the body.. Remember the person who first discovered dmso was using rubber gloves and he got sick. Ya he was using almost pure dmso. Maybe even as low as 20-30% you might have to worry about.


The amount of DMSO in this product would be like saying you cant keep garlic in anything but glass. As many know garlic is a natural like form of DMSO. Or sulfers thereof make up a large part of garlic. which of course is one of the reasons dmso can give a garlic like stink.


Last. indysoccer16
thank you for the questions my friend and I respect you very much good bro.
Your a great member with good attention to detail and I commend you for this. I am sure you could deff do a lot of google searching and get a better understanding of the subject but the "dangers" of dmso in a plastic container are over hyped do to a lot of reasons . Unless one were talking about using a large amount or high % . I do believe
the manufactotor is not using the standard plastic polermer

There is more DMSO or like sulfers in a bottle of garlic oil then in this product lol.. But again I am keeping exact amounts to my self and truthfully only my manufacturer knows the exact amounts anyway.
 
no sickness, lol. very little sides- slight bad breath 1st 3 days, and some metalic taste in week 2- that's it.

results speak for themselves-superb product. if you want to use formestane this is the product you want to use, imo.
 
why did you decide to go to 10 pumps only once a day? I have been doing it twice a day. Would lowering dosage help with sore joints? they are hurting, but I am thinking it to be from katanadrol
 
bigbeef said:
why did you decide to go to 10 pumps only once a day? I have been doing it twice a day. Would lowering dosage help with sore joints? they are hurting, but I am thinking it to be from katanadrol
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still dosing twice a day-you misread or i wasn't clear. what i am doing is dedicating one application[10 pumps] to abs everyday. the other 10 pumps will be spread around to upper thighs/behind knees/tops of feet and chest area.
 
thebigt said:
still dosing twice a day-you misread or i wasn't clear. what i am doing is dedicating one application[10 pumps] to abs everyday. the other 10 pumps will be spread around to upper thighs/behind knees/tops of feet and chest area.
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I probably was speed reading, which I suck at
 
I want the Forma. Will have to buy some when I get the chance. Thanks for clearing that up Needto. So glad u r running this big tom.
 
Tomahawk88 said:
I want the Forma. Will have to buy some when I get the chance. Thanks for clearing that up Needto. So glad u r running this big tom.
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thanks, tom.

my approach to running a log is different than many others. if i want to see a diet journal, i will look in the diet section. if i want to see a workout journal i will look in the training section. i am all about the product, what effects it has on me- to give others an idea of what they can expect from it-and how it compares to other products with similar ingredients.


formastanzol rates at top of list of formestane containing products, imho. libido/leaning-particularly at site of application/confidence/aggression/sense of well being/strength, are some of the things i feel most users will experience.
 
sex drive[libido] is very high!!! my mood and confidence are soaring, and the experiment on abs is still ongoing-maybe some slight improvement, but it might just be wishful thinking. my chest is definately more defined, along with upper thighs-the places i hit most regularly. no skin irritation at all!!!
 
thebigt said:
my approach to running a log is different than many others. if i want to see a diet journal, i will look in the diet section. if i want to see a workout journal i will look in the training section. i am all about the product, what effects it has on me- to give others an idea of what they can expect from it-and how it compares to other products with similar ingredients.
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Amen.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Amen.
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thanks-i can't tell you how many times i have tried to find info on a product by reading logs-and get page after page of what the guy eats and how many reps he does on the jungle gym. i just want to know what the products effects are-and forma is living up to it's billing. very nice product-big thumbs up!:cheers:
 
I was directly referring to dmso in large amounts when I was talking about only being in plastic and at high dosage.

Like I said I am a huge believer and user of DMSO, its one of my favorite products. I was not trying to come off saying anything bad, I just have not read a lot on DMSO being used in other products so I was not sure about how it reacted with plastic, and other compounds.

I love forma, its doing wonders in my log that is all NTBM products which I have been selling everyone I know on, instead of trying to get iffy injectables from unknown sources.
 
thebigt said:
thanks-i can't tell you how many times i have tried to find info on a product by reading logs-and get page after page of what the guy eats and how many reps he does on the jungle gym. i just want to know what the products effects are-and forma is living up to it's billing. very nice product-big thumbs up!:cheers:
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Lol so thats y u r never in my logs :flowers1:
 
looks like today will be my last on forma-that makes 25 days, not bad considering i upped the dose a few times.:cheers:
 
results-
nice leaning out, particularly at areas of application. stomach area looks and feels tighter/chest is more defined and upper legs are bigger AND more defined.

mood/well being-i felt really good while using forma, and convidence was up.

strength-some strength gain, i think it would have been better stacked with a free test booster[forma/hcgenerate would be outstanding, imo]

aggression-i got a nice controlled aggresive attitude when preparing to lift, but most of the time i was able to shrug off lifes little challenges.


libido-i saved the best for last, my libido was in turbo mode-erections were stronger and staying power was increased. i felt like a god in the bedroom. [again can only imagine what stacking with hcgenerate would do].


i feel that ntbm-formastanzol is the best formestane product i have tried, by far. it goes on easily/dries fast/no skin irritation and results were fantastic, well above what i have experienced with other formestane products.

i thank nate, and ntbm for the opportunity to try this product-i will be buying some and using again, and again, and again.......if anyone is looking for a formestane product, this is the one i recommend.
 
I love the screw it attitude, it allows you not to stress so easily, gotta love AI's for that hehe.
 
thebigt said:
thanks, tom.

my approach to running a log is different than many others. if i want to see a diet journal, i will look in the diet section. if i want to see a workout journal i will look in the training section. i am all about the product, what effects it has on me- to give others an idea of what they can expect from it-and how it compares to other products with similar ingredients.


formastanzol rates at top of list of formestane containing products, imho. libido/leaning-particularly at site of application/confidence/aggression/sense of well being/strength, are some of the things i feel most users will experience.
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Regular formastane has a few draw backs and so do most transdermals. This product addresses all of the issues and makes one really damn good product.


DID I mention that I formulated the product :burger:
 
indysoccer16 said:
I was directly referring to dmso in large amounts when I was talking about only being in plastic and at high dosage.

Like I said I am a huge believer and user of DMSO, its one of my favorite products. I was not trying to come off saying anything bad, I just have not read a lot on DMSO being used in other products so I was not sure about how it reacted with plastic, and other compounds.

I love forma, its doing wonders in my log that is all NTBM products which I have been selling everyone I know on, instead of trying to get iffy injectables from unknown sources.
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its all good my man :burger:
 
nice log bigt. I got a few days left and wam ordering another bottle to run as an AI. I love this stuff. My blood pressure has come way down since I have been using it, which is awesome. I have definitely leaned out and feel great
 
bigbeef said:
nice log bigt. I got a few days left and wam ordering another bottle to run as an AI. I love this stuff. My blood pressure has come way down since I have been using it, which is awesome. I have definitely leaned out and feel great
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i am very happy to hear that bb-i know you had a rough go of it and i am really pulling for you to do big things.:cheers:
 
needtogetmuscle said:
Regular formastane has a few draw backs and so do most transdermals. This product addresses all of the issues and makes one really damn good product.


DID I mention that I formulated the product :burger:
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after having used formestane so often in the last 5 years i started developing a rash when using other td form products. i was very pleasantly surprised to have no skin irritation from this product-along with the great results.

i noted several times in my log 'no skin irritation'. it had become so bad my wife told me not to use formestane anymore-seriously bad itching and skin was very red and looked like poison ivy. i was to the point of thinking i would not be able to use formestane anymore. so when i noted no skin irritation using the formastanzol this was very important to me!!!

from this point on-if i use td formestane, formastanzol will be the product i use-not to mention the great results!!!!!!!!
 
thebigt said:
after having used formestane so often in the last 5 years i started developing a rash when using other td form products. i was very pleasantly surprised to have no skin irritation from this product-along with the great results.

i noted several times in my log 'no skin irritation'. it had become so bad my wife told me not to use formestane anymore-seriously bad itching and skin was very red and looked like poison ivy. i was to the point of thinking i would not be able to use formestane anymore. so when i noted no skin irritation using the formastanzol this was very important to me!!!

from this point on-if i use td formestane, formastanzol will be the product i use-not to mention the great results!!!!!!!!
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Emo oil is like magic!!!!!
 
so what exactly were you trying to achieve with this? was it in pct or just to test the product, i am just starting pct and am also using eviscerate so i was wondering if these two would go good together. I noticed another log where someone was using it to bulk but i wasn't sure how that works since some people use this in pct
 
bNugs said:
so what exactly were you trying to achieve with this? was it in pct or just to test the product, i am just starting pct and am also using eviscerate so i was wondering if these two would go good together. I noticed another log where someone was using it to bulk but i wasn't sure how that works since some people use this in pct
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i was using it standalone just to see what it could do. needto has laidout a plan for pct which calls for a lower dose than running it standalone. i was using 10 pumps 2xdaily, i think the pct protocol is 5 pumps 2 x daily. the reson for this is the anabolic effects[and possible minor shutdown occurs with the higher dosing]. at the lower dosing you should not incur the anabolic effect [or shutdown], that is possible with higher dosing.


i realize i am making this sound confusing but do some research-there is a ton of info.

btw-i see no reason why you couldn't use forma with eviserate.
 
JCunningham said:
Hmmm, was just looking into this form product..
You have me sold to use during PCT!
I love me formastane.
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i can honestly say that this is the best formestane product available, period.
 
JCunningham said:
Good to know..
Just found out about this product recently.
Glad I found it.

Form is only AI I will use, other than aromasin if I have the money.
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i had heard about forma for awhile, but was hesitant to pay more money for it since i had good results with cel's td form, but i have to say this product is worth the extra cash.
 
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