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Is my pct overkill?

I have yet to run formastane yet, but of the three I have used (6-oxo, atd, 6-bromo) I prefer 6-bromo.

but alot of people seem to favor formestane, which works best topically.

as kris stated bro, it will take some experimenting, and time, but eventually you will find the best pct protocol to fit you personally. As what works for billy, may not work for bob.

I prefer serm, ai, test booster in my pct. others may like just a serm. then even more may want to have just an otc pct. the list of variations can go on and on.

btw, I wouldn't recomend using tcf-1

D-aspartic acid is gaining momentum as a decent testosterone booster as rightfully indicated by some scientific studies (1-3). Unfortunately, the amino acid is also a known stimulator of prolactin release (3-5). One study in male rats found that while D-aspartic acid increased testosterone and LH by 236% and 146%, respectively, it also increased prolactin levels by 152%. Prolactin is probably best known for its ability to stimulate lactation in women. But, it can also have other effects in humans, including men. Prolactin may be associated with lowered testosterone levels, lowered libido and possibly even increased fat mass (possibly through suppression of lipolysis or increased lipogenesis) and decreased insulin sensitivity (6-10). When considering that D-aspartic acid’s testosterone-enhancing effects might be hampered by its ability to also elevate prolactin, it makes sense to use it with a product that is designed to support healthy prolactin levels. (taken from a usp labs post)
 
Rodja said:
1. If you don't know how this is going to lower test, then I won't bother explaining it to you.
2. No, I'm not saying that at all. Saying that Formestane is sufficient PCT is just lying to customers to pas your sales. It does not work as a SERM in any sense and also metabolizes into 4-OHT, which can be suppressive.



Yes, it makes sense to take something else to trash your lipids even further during PCT.
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A dose under 60mg a day, the conversion rate of 4-OHT would be so minimal, it would not effect the negative feedback loop and would not be recognized by the body. Formastane also increases IGF levels, which is a great thing for PCT..

I love me formastane to be honest, and I have used erase, ATD, adex and well form..
 
Kristofer68SS said:
I have to ask.

What is your ideal post cycle therapy protocol for the OP's cycle? Or even a test based cycle with a designer mixed in.

I prefer my PCT's to be all inclusive. With the majority of focus in this order- Repairing the lipids first, then kidneys and liver and finally HPTA.
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For HPTA recovery:
SERM of choice (this in and of itself is a debate; I prefer toremifene, but that's just my preference)
L-Dopa/GTE/B6 mix for GH boost, prolactin control, and libido boost
DAA for test production
Endoamp Max for cortisol control and GH boost
High Dose Fish Oil/Krill Oil

That's my basic approach to PCT. I prefer not to use an AI to avoid further damage to lipids.

jbryand101b said:
I have yet to run formastane yet, but of the three I have used (6-oxo, atd, 6-bromo) I prefer 6-bromo.

but alot of people seem to favor formestane, which works best topically.

as kris stated bro, it will take some experimenting, and time, but eventually you will find the best pct protocol to fit you personally. As what works for billy, may not work for bob.

I prefer serm, ai, test booster in my pct. others may like just a serm. then even more may want to have just an otc pct. the list of variations can go on and on.

btw, I wouldn't recomend using tcf-1

D-aspartic acid is gaining momentum as a decent testosterone booster as rightfully indicated by some scientific studies (1-3). Unfortunately, the amino acid is also a known stimulator of prolactin release (3-5). One study in male rats found that while D-aspartic acid increased testosterone and LH by 236% and 146%, respectively, it also increased prolactin levels by 152%. Prolactin is probably best known for its ability to stimulate lactation in women. But, it can also have other effects in humans, including men. Prolactin may be associated with lowered testosterone levels, lowered libido and possibly even increased fat mass (possibly through suppression of lipolysis or increased lipogenesis) and decreased insulin sensitivity (6-10). When considering that D-aspartic acid’s testosterone-enhancing effects might be hampered by its ability to also elevate prolactin, it makes sense to use it with a product that is designed to support healthy prolactin levels. (taken from a usp labs post)
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If you're going to take a post from USP, use the whole thing next time. Jacob, for those who didn't see this post originally, recommends using Powerfull in conjunction with DAA for a 1-2 punch of test and GH boost.
 
WTF @ this thread.

This is the most retarded thing I have ever read.

Rodja... Have you ever taken steroids? Have you ever been in a PCT?

Jesus Christ this is retarded. HCGenerate is the best booster I have ever used. It helps with testicular size, testosterone, and libido.

Hmmm... what seems to be affected after a cycle? OH I KNOW, testicular size is down, testosterone is down, and my libido is f***ed up.

When you have been in that situation, and then used HCGenerate, come talk to me Rodja.

It brought libido back in 2 days, it bumped my testicular size and added more sag to my swagger, and last but not least, I could feel the testosterone increase. Mood was better, gym felt better, muscles finally felt harder from being in low test so long, .... the list goes on.

My experience means more to me than any of your loose connected theories buddy.

Don't spew your non-sense theories and opinions without ANY experiences or factual data on your side. Child please...
 
Lightweight1 said:
For PCT i have planned:

clomid 50mgs weeks 1-4 (since it is better for progesterone products)
HCGenerate weeks 1- 4
Stoked weeks 3-6
DS lean extreme week 2
supporting supps : multi-v, creatine etc..
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OP That is a perfect PCT minus the fat burner.

Don't fall for any of this garbage... you do not need TCF-1 at this point--that was his recommendation after all his non-sense--surprising lol. The ol' bash 1 product add in yours trickaroo.

I guarantee you at this point if you spend more money on ANYTHING aimed at testosterone recovery it is overkill and getting nothing for your money so don't waste it bro. Don't need TCF-1, don't need anything else for test recovery.

What you have is a SOLID PCT for testosterone recovery. That base is covered by a long shot. You don't need to buy anything else for that.

Just take out the fat burner it will kill all your new muscle.
 
chocolatemilk said:
WTF @ this thread.

This is the most retarded thing I have ever read.

Rodja... Have you ever taken steroids? Have you ever been in a PCT?

Jesus Christ this is retarded. HCGenerate is the best booster I have ever used. It helps with testicular size, testosterone, and libido.

Hmmm... what seems to be affected after a cycle? OH I KNOW, testicular size is down, testosterone is down, and my libido is f***ed up.

When you have been in that situation, and then used HCGenerate, come talk to me Rodja.

It brought libido back in 2 days, it bumped my testicular size and added more sag to my swagger, and last but not least, I could feel the testosterone increase. Mood was better, gym felt better, muscles finally felt harder from being in low test so long, .... the list goes on.

My experience means more to me than any of your loose connected theories buddy.

Don't spew your non-sense theories and opinions without ANY experiences or factual data on your side. Child please...
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Theories? Wow, you NTBM reps just keep rehashing the same junk without anything to disprove my statements. Surely you have bloodwork to back up your claims, correct?

Forgive me for not thinking, "It brought libido back in 2 days, it bumped my testicular size and added more sag to my swagger, and last but not least, I could feel the testosterone increase. Mood was better, gym felt better, muscles finally felt harder from being in low test so long, .... the list goes on" is supposed to actually be any sort of evidence. If your mood, libido, etc. is all shot 2 days into PCT, then you either got bunk gear or it's all in your head.

What you're doing is simple marketing and if anyone is falling for it, then that's on their head. Hell, you can get actual hCG for much cheaper than what you're charging for this supplement. I really could care less if he uses DAA/TCF-1, but I hate how there is so much bad science and information flooding these boards. The mere fact that your company owner says that Form acts as both a SERM and an AI, which is impossible, shows the lack of knowledge coming from your end.

Also, LX during PCT will help immensely by both suppressing cortisol and by increasing testosterone production via Forskolin. The only way he'd lose all his gains would be if he was to eat insufficient calories.
 
Rodja said:
For HPTA recovery:
SERM of choice (this in and of itself is a debate; I prefer toremifene, but
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LOL anyone else catch this...

Yea you better put that disclaimer there. You don't want to say NO SERM because that is WRONG. And you don't want to say simply YES go for SERM because it takes away everything you've said up to now.

So you say ok SERM but with your little disclaimer. Ha!

What's it gonna be Rodja? Someone came out of a test, deca cycle kickstarted with Dbol....... Should they use a SERM or what?

If you say yes, it defeats what you've been arguing this whole time. If you say no..... OMG. Out of a test, dbol, deca and no SERM?

What's it gonna be buddy? Don't hide behind your disclaimer be a straight shooter yes or no in that situation^^

Clever little disclaimer to shield you.
 
chocolatemilk said:
LOL anyone else catch this...

Yea you better put that disclaimer there. You don't want to say NO SERM because that is WRONG. And you don't want to say simply YES go for SERM because it takes away everything you've said up to now.

So you say ok SERM but with your little disclaimer. Ha!

What's it gonna be Rodja? Someone came out of a test, deca cycle kickstarted with Dbol....... Should they use a SERM or what?

If you say yes, it defeats what you've been arguing this whole time. If you say no..... OMG. Out of a test, dbol, deca and no SERM?

What's it gonna be buddy? Don't hide behind your disclaimer be a straight shooter yes or no in that situation^^

Clever little disclaimer to shield you.
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I guess you can't read either. When I said SERM of choice, I meant that each person has a personal preference between Nolva, Clomid, etc. That's why I said SERM of preference.

How does recommending a SERM defeat my argument?
 
Rodja said:
I guess you can't read either. When I said SERM of choice, I meant that each person has a personal preference. That's why I said SERM of preference.
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Perfect. So you say a solid yes to a SERM. But wait wouldn't using a SERM defeat everything your saying?
 
chocolatemilk said:
YES! Bring me the data that solidifies your theory. Not loosely connected endocrinology but raw number crunching data... bring it to me. If you don't have any I'm sorry but all your spewing is theory.
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Read a damn textbook.

Care to acknowledge the other part? You know, posting up the bloodwork?

chocolatemilk said:
Perfect. So you say a solid yes to a SERM. But wait wouldn't using a SERM defeat everything your saying?
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WTF?
 
chocolatemilk said:
That's how you explain to me how using a SERM which raises E2 should be used BUT HCGenerate which you say also raises E2 should not be used.

Thank you.
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You know what, I'm done with this argument. All you and your other reps have done is to purport how amazing your product is while also plugging other parts of your lineup.

Now, I am trying to discuss science and you decide to switch my point over to the efficacy of SERMS. This is pointless. Continue to pimp out your line and take advantage of consumers in the search of better fiscal gain.
 
chocolatemilk said:
That's how you explain to me how using a SERM which raises E2 should be used BUT HCGenerate which you say also raises E2 should not be used.
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Rodja said:
Now, I am trying to discuss science and you decide to switch my point over to the efficacy of SERMS.
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Read my quote. Read yours.

I was asking you a scientific question in regards to your contradictory statements and you went off on a tangent.

But yes I would appreciate it if you stopped now. And also stopped recommending HCGenerate not to be used in PCT cuz that is utter BS.
 
Rodja said:
Continue to pimp out your line and take advantage of consumers in the search of better fiscal gain.
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Hey so what if someone insults us and the product line, at least he's got a bit of class! ;)
 
Rodja said:
What you're doing is simple marketing and if anyone is falling for it, then that's on their head. Hell, you can get actual hCG for much cheaper than what you're charging for this supplement. I really could care less if he uses DAA/TCF-1, but I hate how there is so much bad science and information flooding these boards. The mere fact that your company owner says that Form acts as both a SERM and an AI, which is impossible, shows the lack of knowledge coming from your end.
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You see? Those are claaaaassyy insults!!
 
Thanks guys for all the advice even though it caused a small war. :swordfight: Hopefully my PCT goes well and Ill start preparing for my next bulk cycle in the mean time. Thinking Beast/Epi bridge.
 
yes good luck with PCT whatever you decide to do. Beast/Epi bridge is totally legit.
 
Not sure what the debacle is about, but HCGenerrate contains Divanil which will increase free testosterone, but also lower SHBG levels, Serms will increase SHBG levels, so the two balance out each other. I am sure HCGenerate will do more good than bad in the estradiol department, if one is worried they can use a low dose of an AI. Regardless, HCGenerate is a GREAT PCT product.
 
*******************UPDATE***********************************

Currently in week 3 of PCT. Ive been using clomid 50mg, HCGenerate, and formestane. I started to throw in some stoked here and there.

Week1: My libido went down (not totally, could still rise to the occasion but didnt think about it at all). My lifts were still solid just wasnt as motivated as when i was on. The boys were still down a lot as well. I felt a little light headed..nothing major though.

Week2: Added in the formestane. I noticed I was more pumped up in the gym. Boys started coming back a little.

Week3: Lifts are solid. Boys are fully back!!!! Lol.

Ive kept my diet in check and actually feel like ive gained some strength in PCT.

I dont know if i should add in the Stoked (4 pills a day) since ive been getting solid results without it, what do you guys think ?
 
Lightweight1 said:
*******************UPDATE***********************************

Currently in week 3 of PCT. Ive been using clomid 50mg, HCGenerate, and formestane. I started to throw in some stoked here and there.

Week1: My libido went down (not totally, could still rise to the occasion but didnt think about it at all). My lifts were still solid just wasnt as motivated as when i was on. The boys were still down a lot as well. I felt a little light headed..nothing major though.

Week2: Added in the formestane. I noticed I was more pumped up in the gym. Boys started coming back a little.

Week3: Lifts are solid. Boys are fully back!!!! Lol.

Ive kept my diet in check and actually feel like ive gained some strength in PCT.

I dont know if i should add in the Stoked (4 pills a day) since ive been getting solid results without it, what do you guys think ?
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Atta boy... that is honestly a golden PCT.

Clomid
HCGenerate
Forma-stanzol

I decided a while ago this will be my standard.

Run Stoked when you run out of HCGenerate and Forma... you are definitely covered for now.

Thanks for the update brother!
 
chocolatemilk said:
Atta boy... that is honestly a golden PCT.

Clomid
HCGenerate
Forma-stanzol

I decided a while ago this will be my standard.

Run Stoked when you run out of HCGenerate and Forma... you are definitely covered for now.

Thanks for the update brother!
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All of this^^^^^^^^^^^^ is nearly perfect IMO.

Depending on the cycle-

This is my favorite PCT, sans an RC AI and a few other N2 necessities.
 
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