As promised Mrsupps.com Chlorathoxy!! now ready for testing sign up my friends

EasyEJL said:
argh, mine didn't make it today. I'm jealous now.
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I'm sure you will get it soon lol. By the way the bottle is tiny, definitely looks to be much less TD needed than in thttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gifhe past.
 
There are billion dollar pharmaceutical companies filled with genius scientists working on transdermal carries, and even the best of the best ones carry 25% at best, thats why I was wondering.

Not trying to bring the product down, just wanted explanation on the science of the transdermal.

Also, the nomenclature in the first post doesnt make sense, so would be nice to see the label too
 
ok I am having trouble with my phone and it is the only thung I have for pics. But here is a pic of the bottle.
 
nattydisaster said:
What are the listed ingredients?

What's that red book on your shelf? Fourth one down. JK lol
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lol, I think it's a porno lol!

Lets see the ingredients for the TD carrier are not listed, the supplement facts state:

4-chloro-17a-Methyl-Androsta-1, 4-diene-3, 17-diol 25mg
13 ethyl 3 methoxy 10mg

and I am with you on this one Natty, why put a methylated steroid in a TD solution? Wouldn't this lower the overall availability?
 
Hmmm now I'm super excited, where are you ryan? I'm in california.... Hopefully mines here today and I can get started, wooohoooo!
 
Ya, just checked and its here.... Will be posting up my log momentarily and getting started on this tonight with my workout. Time to see what chlorathoxy is all about
 
poopypants said:
Hmmm now I'm super excited, where are you ryan? I'm in california.... Hopefully mines here today and I can get started, wooohoooo!
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Ya I'm in Texas and Mrsupps is in Oklahoma, so it is probably going to get to me quicker.






edit just noticed you got yours, the rest of you guys should be getting it soon
 
nattydisaster said:
There are billion dollar pharmaceutical companies filled with genius scientists working on transdermal carries, and even the best of the best ones carry 25% at best, thats why I was wondering.

Not trying to bring the product down, just wanted explanation on the science of the transdermal.

Also, the nomenclature in the first post doesnt make sense, so would be nice to see the label too
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Trust me... Nate knows his stuff Natty.

Like I said, only Nate would know at this point as these are just testers... I'm sure he will answer you whenever he can. Stick around the thread until he does brah.
 
ryansm said:
lol, I think it's a porno lol!

Lets see the ingredients for the TD carrier are not listed, the supplement facts state:

4-chloro-17a-Methyl-Androsta-1, 4-diene-3, 17-diol 25mg
13 ethyl 3 methoxy 10mg

and I am with you on this one Natty, why put a methylated steroid in a TD solution? Wouldn't this lower the overall availability?
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Yes that is Halodrol and Max LMG. No alterations have been made to the chemicals

They are perfectly fine taken orally.

Looks like a cool supplement if it was in a pill, just was wondering why you would purposely lower the bioavailability :thinking:

I liked the direction they were going with Beastdrol...proven oral anabolic steroid with a supplement to make it even more effective

Maybe the claim is the skin has more enzymes to convert the halodrol to turinabol...I was just looking for answers that was all. Hopefully the reviews will be honest. Glad the loggers who got them are all guys I know will be honest!

Im always up for innovation...just like the see the science with it and not just claims :D
 
Ryan
Age: 23
Workout experience: 7years
Supplement experience: 3years
PH experience: 2years
Last Supp:Get Diesel 3 kings stack
Last Supp date: 08/01/2010

Want about to start cutting and this running this stand alone would be very interesting. I log diet and workout religously weigh and pic weekly. Work out 6 days a week with one off day. Isolate muscle groups by day and mix it up with alot of cross training and crossfit to keep from plateauing. Boxed threw first two years of college so no stranger to hard work in the gym.

Thanks for the logging opportunity,
ouTTKAst
 
nattydisaster said:
There are billion dollar pharmaceutical companies filled with genius scientists working on transdermal carries, and even the best of the best ones carry 25% at best, thats why I was wondering.

Not trying to bring the product down, just wanted explanation on the science of the transdermal.

Also, the nomenclature in the first post doesnt make sense, so would be nice to see the label too
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Ya it kind of sucks that these billion dollar companies will not back something like a natural ingredient. Unless they can get a patten on it they want nothing to do with it. So the only transdermals you will ever see any of them coming out with are 100% chemical and of synthetic origin. If they cant create it in a test tube or a lab then they would never ever use it.

Shutter to think any pharmaceutical in there right mind would support,back, or use something Natural and admit to the world that natural ingredients work... Come on now what are you thinking my friend??? That only happens in countries where natural ingredients are now e-legal to buy and sell with out a proscription my man. Dont worry though I am sure the will get it that way here soon too. As long as we all keep fighting amongst each other.

I guess you are agreeing with them then in a sense? You a supplement company owner I would assume are taking sides with your number one worst enemy and agreeing with them that nothing natural could ever be better then drugs made by billion dollar dope dealers. HEH No wounder we are losing this battle!!!

My friend I have had everyone from all kinds of walks of life. Big guys, little guys, board gururs, pub med masters and text book junkies of all kinds tell me this products not going to work or that ones not going to work...

You can spin a study and spin a tail a thousand different ways. with a good writer and a few studies, half the board could all be taking mythelated pig crap by the end of the month only to find they been duped. Sucks to be them if they bought it from anyone else but me. Becuase as soon as the popped the cap and got a good whiff of the do do inside. There moneies long gone bwahahahaaaaaaa.

anyway its a mix of natural and chemical compounds that work very well together and keep in mind everyone else is just throwing out numbers and figures that are nothing more then there opinion my friend. UNTIL YOU HEAR IT COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH I don't have to defend it because I never said it lol..

What I have said and what I will say is that IMO the product is going to work just fine. We may find that we have to adjust the dosing a little who knows but other then that I am excited about the product and happy to offer something different to the masses.


On a side not I have seen Primordal claim upwards of 40% absorption with his transdermal my friend. You may want to get to tracking him down so you can give him the Billion dollar pharmaceutical company speech too my good man.

:spam:<--- this guy looks so cool just sitting there I had to use him for something.

Thank you for joining in the thread bro, your comments are always welcome. I do not mind them at all. BTW MY MAN, YOU MAKE THE ERASE PRODUCT CORRECT?

MY god how dare you make a natural estrogen reducing compound man. You know the billion dollar pharmaceutical companies have been working on estrogen blockers and Ai's for decades now. They have state of the art facilities filled with genius scientists who have been working on
these kinds of compounds day an night. There is no way you could make something better then there's!!! No way in hell!!!!!!!


OK OK OK
The last part was just in fun man. I couldn't help it it was right there. I mean no ill towards anyone though, you have some great questions and looks like you formulated some pretty good products to by the looks of them. Congrats on them bro.

Nothing but love for you and everyone. Thank you and peace to all
 
What on earth are you talking about?

I'm not even going to bother with replying to anything that you said because most of the statements you made prove you have no experience in the pharmaceutical industry or even a science background for that matter.

I have been a big supporter of NTBM...and this is how you talk to one of your supporters?

Geeze man...idk what your goal is.

Why so defensive?

All I wanted to know was why 2 orally active compounds were put into a transdermal. I asked for the scientific reasoning behind it for a good scientific discussion.

You should have repped me for asking and answered. It was your chance to prove to everyone why the product works. And gain even more attention and future sales, and earn the respect of many respected members here.

Instead you attacked me, and Big Pharma, and didn't even answer my question.

Carry on...
 
needtogetmuscle said:
Ya it kind of sucks that these billion dollar companies will not back something like a natural ingredient. Unless they can get a patten on it they want nothing to do with it. So the only transdermals you will ever see any of them coming out with are 100% chemical and of synthetic origin. If they cant create it in a test tube or a lab then they would never ever use it.

Shutter to think any pharmaceutical in there right mind would support,back, or use something Natural and admit to the world that natural ingredients work... Come on now what are you thinking my friend??? That only happens in countries where natural ingredients are now e-legal to buy and sell with out a proscription my man. Dont worry though I am sure the will get it that way here soon too. As long as we all keep fighting amongst each other.

I guess you are agreeing with them then in a sense? You a supplement company owner I would assume are taking sides with your number one worst enemy and agreeing with them that nothing natural could ever be better then drugs made by billion dollar dope dealers. HEH No wounder we are losing this battle!!!
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Holy crap, are you high?

Around here we share the science of what and why, it's always a simple debate/conversation... you took it straight to the tin foil hat.

Saying you are at war with big pharma is simply idiotic. I agree with big pharma putting the money into research for real problems. They put billions into researching stuff that has real medical implications, not to just grow large. Lets not forget they have real liability in their products, hence the research. You (And every other supp company) throws a grey market hormone into a pill and hide behind DSHEA.

All supplement company's is just shoveling stuff into pills and lotions and selling it for profit, there is no altruism here.

Stop being defensive and simply answer the the science that was questioned, or simply just say you don't know and this is an experimental product.
 
DAdams91982 said:
All supplement company's is just shoveling stuff into pills and lotions and selling it for profit, there is no altruism here.
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HA! If that's the way you guys do business at PES I'm sorry... Needtobuildmuscle does not work like that.

We are about sharing our wealth of knowledge with everyone and helping them achieve great success with their physiques so they will be happy about themselves and in the real world through supplementation.

If PES practices no altruism and is all about profit so be it... but don't accuse Nate of that. He is FAR from that.

You guys have been treated very nicely by Nate in the way he responded to you... if his response didn't answer your questions... nonetheless he treated you with respect in answering so ask again RESPECTFULLY ..."Nate can you please answer my question."

He is treating ya'll with respect... Please do the same PES.

You guys are not being treated wrongly at all so you have no reason to talk like this.

TO ALL IN THIS THREAD... we are all in this discussion. Not just PES and Nate. If you guys have an opinion on all of this... Please voice it. Everyone is welcome to share their opinion and THAT^^^ is my opinion. Everyones opinion is welcomed here.

PES your opinions are always welcomed. Always... regardless of how they are stated. So please give them to us no matter what and don't hold back. But please we ask for respect in return for our respect. Thank you guys.

Nate will answer you once he can.
 
chocolatemilk said:
HA! If that's the way you guys do business at PES I'm sorry... Needtobuildmuscle does not work like that.

We are about sharing our wealth of knowledge with everyone and helping them achieve great success with their physiques so they will be happy about themselves and in the real world.

If PES practices no altruism and is all about profit so be it... but don't accuse Nate of that. He is FAR from that.

You guys have been treated very nicely by Nate in the way he responded to you... if his response didn't answer your questions... nonetheless he treated you with respect in answering so ask again RESPECTFULLY ..."Nate can you please answer my question."

He is treating ya'll with respect... Please do the same PES.

You guys are not being treated wrongly at all so you have no reason to talk like this.

TO ALL IN THIS THREAD... we are all in this discussion. Not just PES and Nate. If you guys have an opinion on all of this... Please voice it. Everyone is welcome to share their opinion and THAT^^^ is my opinion. Share guys. Let's all talk here like men.
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I love your posts CM.. they are always good for a laugh.
 
Well although I agree with Natty and DAdams on some of the points they have made I always reserve judgement, or at least try to, until I have tried the product myself. Since I have the opportunity of beta testing it I will state now that it will not be a biased review. If the product works then I will tout it all over the boards, but if it doesn't then I will certainly not shy away from saying so.
 
DAdams91982 said:
I love your posts CM.. they are always good for a laugh.
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LOL Hey... you said all supplement companies are about profit and no altruism. So you admit you are like that.

We are not and you cannot defend yourself... you have nothing to say to me but that^^

I am the one who is laughing here haha.
 
ryansm said:
Well although I agree with Natty and DAdams on some of the points they have made I always reserve judgement, or at least try to, until I have tried the product myself. Since I have the opportunity of beta testing it I will state now that it will not be a biased review. If the product works then I will tout it all over the boards, but if it doesn't then I will certainly not shy away from saying so.
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Great post bro. I reserve judgment also until the results are in after this beta test.
 
I'll defintely say already that I wish n2bm sold this carrier solo, as I have a number of things I could use it for :D
 
chocolatemilk said:
LOL Hey... you said all supplement companies are about profit and no altruism. So you admit you are like that.

We are not and you cannot defend yourself... you have nothing to say to me but that^^

I am the one who is laughing here haha.
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I left you alone because it pains me to read your drivel.

No one is here for 100% altruistic purposes, you are living in a dream world there big guy. If it was, you all would not be paying to advertise on AM, considering it is not cheap.

Believe it or not, NTBM is watching their bottom line, any good company is going to do that.

You seem to be lacking in life's lessons. No one is going to mortgage their life on a company so they can help ol dude get swole.

Edit: also, for ****s sakes.... put NTBM Rep back in your sig already, it misleads people when you give advise.
 
EasyEJL said:
I'll defintely say already that I wish n2bm sold this carrier solo, as I have a number of things I could use it for :D
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Very good stuff eh Easy? The forma-stanzol carrier has been fine tuned so nicely... I wouldn't be surprised at how good this carrier is gonna be. You are so lucky LOL I wish I could test that sucker!!!
 
I have never seen such a defensive approach taken to a scientific discussion...my gosh...i honestly don't know if you guys' goal is to promote your company or try to attack others.

Well anyways, if anyone ever posts why orally bioavailable compounds work better in this transdermal shoot me a PM, since that question never got answered.

Thats all I ever wondered.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Very good stuff eh Easy? The forma-stanzol carrier has been fine tuned so nicely... I wouldn't be surprised at how good this carrier is gonna be. You are so lucky LOL I wish I could test that sucker!!!
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It smells decent, and dries superfast, with no grittyness or residue. Would be great for a transdermal fat loss product
 
i don't like how PES is handling this...
and i think they see ntbm/mrsupps really making an impact on the supp market and PES is trying to put a stop to it (maybe just my conspiracy theory)...
i know needto wouldn't like us to stir the **** here so i won't make any more comments on the subject.
 
muscl3s said:
i don't like how PES is handling this...
and i think they see ntbm/mrsupps really making an impact on the supp market and PES is trying to put a stop to it (maybe just my conspiracy theory)...
i know needto wouldn't like us to stir the **** here so i won't make any more comments on the subject.
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No.

We don't even sell competing products. And that is not how we practice business, at all.

Ever take a look on NutraPlanet to see how our products are stacked with other companies? We do this because we like to help other companies and see them succeed, as do other companies with us. That is the name of the game...everyone helps eachother out, it is not a war at all like you guys are making it seem.

In fact, NTBM could easily be pimping products like Need2Slin stacked with Alpha-T2. Which by the way I have recommended to tons of people. Why? They products do not compete or overlap, the compliment, the stack works, and I believe in N2S.

Same with Beastdrol and Erase.

NTBM and PES have had a great relationship, and lots of people take the products TOGETHER. Thats why I did not understand why everyone came at me so hot. I have only supported NTBM.

I came in here for scientific discussion. That is what Anabolic Minds is about...learning.

But all to their own.
 
DAdams91982 said:
I left you alone because it pains me to read your drivel.

No one is here for 100% altruistic purposes, you are living in a dream world there big guy. If it was, you all would not be paying to advertise on AM, considering it is not cheap.

Believe it or not, NTBM is watching their bottom line, any good company is going to do that.

You seem to be lacking in life's lessons. No one says I am going to mortgage my life on a company so I can help ol dude get swole.

Edit: also, for ****s sakes.... put NTBM Rep back in your sig already, it misleads people when you give advise.
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Dadams. I am not naive bro. You look at me like I don't understand how things work. You can't have a business grow on pure altruism.

It needs business driven goals towards profit to keep the machine going... but trust me it works the same with altruism. A business won't grow without altruism as the oil for the engine.

I know PES practices altruism in there business or they would not be here. You guys obviously have good customer service and good customer skills in delivering what people want. You know why? Because you are successful. I am sorry for saying you guys don't practice altruism. You guys must. But from what you said... it seemed like every company doesn't when that is not one bit true.
 
muscl3s said:
i don't like how PES is handling this...
and i think they see ntbm/mrsupps really making an impact on the supp market and PES is trying to put a stop to it (maybe just my conspiracy theory)...
i know needto wouldn't like us to stir the **** here so i won't make any more comments on the subject.
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All due respect there, I am unconcerned with where NTBM is in their company, they can be as big or as small as they want. Post a thread outside of the company forum that is fair game to be questioned. If you all didn't want scrutiny, stay in your own forum, or just back it up. It is pretty simple around here.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Dadams. I am not naive bro. You look at me like I don't understand how things work. You can't have a business grow on pure altruism.

It needs business driven goals towards profit to keep the machine going... but trust me it works the same with altruism. A business won't grow without altruism as the oil for the engine.

I know PES practices altruism in there business or they would not be here. You guys obviously have good customer service and good customer skills in delivering what people want. You know why? Because you are successful. I am sorry for saying you guys don't practice altruism. You guys must. But from what you said... it seemed like every company doesn't when that is not one bit true.
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I can agree with that, I may have over reached without qualifying my statement.
 
:grouphug: <-- ?
 
DAdams91982 said:
I can agree with that, I may have over reached without qualifying my statement.
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I knew this was simply the case... I am really sorry for taking that statement and running with it. I know it was just over reached without qualification and I should have left that statement alone. I'm sorry Dadams.
 
Okay, I will now exit this thread. I shouldn't have entered it in the first place, probably overstepped.

I will be watching the logs, good luck to all who are using it.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Okay, I will now exit this thread. I shouldn't have entered it in the first place, probably overstepped.

I will be watching the logs, good luck to all who are using it.
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You are always welcomed my friend and I insist you stay.

Please Natty and Dadams you guys are always welcome with all of your opinions and questions. Nate is busy so back and forth discussion between him is a little rare and it seems only back and forth discussion will answer this. I just ask for some patience my friends.

Dadams you are welcome to stay and I insist you do.
 
nattydisaster said:
So what's everyone doing tonight?
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getting drunk and screwing I think. considering i'm back on TRT, at least some serious screwing :D After I injected and came back my wife said "are you about to start humping my leg again now". I reminded her it takes a few hours for test levels to peak :D
 
EasyEJL said:
getting drunk and screwing I think. considering i'm back on TRT, at least some serious screwing :D After I injected and came back my wife said "are you about to start humping my leg again now". I reminded her it takes a few hours for test levels to peak :D
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imagine how i feel buddy, i'm on 500mg test/week.

i can't stop thinking about pu$$y :D
 
okay, I am late to this conversation, but lets have a logical discussion with some data, if we can get any.


first, I have to say my bad, I thought we were going to remove the methyl group from the compound, but I guess they changed their mind.

okay, it would of lightened it up a lot, but it's still well below the limit.

alot of the questions asked by natty were answered in the first few pages, by me, the best I could with the little info i had.

here is what I can find on cdma, better known as halodrol.

it seems the estimated oral availability of hd to be at about 40%. I'm not sure really where people are getting numbers like 80%+ on methylated steroids.

methylation is designed to help protect the compund from breaking down quickly in the body. this doesn't mean it is going to be 100%

i've never seen a 80% oral availability for any steroid. if you have a link, please share. I am learning as well.

the idea of the transdermal is because number one, it hasn't been done before. Yes, we understand it's a methyl, and works well orally. but it might work better transdermally?

and as was said before, the main reasoning it is though possibly it might work better, is d/t the skin having more enzymes capable of causing better conversion to a more potent compound.

I was suggesting either a non methylated 4chloro androstenediol product which would convert into 4chloro testosterone, or a 4chloro dehydroandrostenediol product, which would become 4chloro boldenone. both would be legal, and new to the market. but this didn't happen. i dont know why.

but this is what we are left with. two compounds, both never used transdermally before, so how potent the compounds are that they could convert to, isn't known. it may be a flop. it may not.

we could speculate, especially about the max lmg all day long, conversion of this compound is interesting.

I will be testing this product soon, and will give my honest opinion to needto on how well it works. if it doesn't work well, I will not recomend we sell it. this you can be sure of. my review wont be on this site though, d/t there already being so many loggers. it will be on another forum. but i'll still share my opinion in the loggers reviews as i visit them.


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btw, just want to add, I have no problem, or issue with other reps, or who ever comming into the thread, and asking the tough questions that make you think.
it's what we're all paid to do as reps.
we're all here to learn, even if that means you schooling me. :D
 
nattydisaster said:
What on earth are you talking about?

I'm not even going to bother with replying to anything that you said because most of the statements you made prove you have no experience in the pharmaceutical industry or even a science background for that matter.

I have been a big supporter of NTBM...and this is how you talk to one of your supporters?

Geeze man...idk what your goal is.

Why so defensive?

All I wanted to know was why 2 orally active compounds were put into a transdermal. I asked for the scientific reasoning behind it for a good scientific discussion.

You should have repped me for asking and answered. It was your chance to prove to everyone why the product works. And gain even more attention and future sales, and earn the respect of many respected members here.

Instead you attacked me, and Big Pharma, and didn't even answer my question.

Carry on...
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WOW!!!!

AAH bro I was Having a little fun and and joking around with you?
I had no idea you would take it so harshly. Wow sorry my man I guess I wont try and be jokingly friendly with ya no more man.

From now on I will just be nothing but serous with you when I talk to you. I will make a note of it. Still My man If you could point out exactly what part of what I said made you feel "attacked" that would help me out a lot, because I am pretty confused as to how anything I said could come off like that?

If you have bought things from me and been a supporter of me/company I would think you know me and if you know me you would know I never purposely attack anyone for no reason my friend?

Even though you have insulted me far beyond what I intended to be a playful joke I still would not and will not go being a jerk and attack you back or say anything..

damn I would think by my last words
OK OK OK
The last part was just in fun man. I couldn't help it it was right there. I mean no ill towards anyone though, you have some great questions and looks like you formulated some pretty good products to by the looks of them. Congrats on them bro.


and then
Nothing but love for you and everyone. Thank you and peace to all

You would surely understand it was all in fun?

Anyway bro, I have nothing to prove so comments and attacks like this one Don't bother me in the least bit. I don't get defensive because I don't have to lol.. I dont get angry,heated,flustered, or even upset most of the time ether. What is the point in it?

People sure do love to try and get me to though, or paint the picture that I have lmao. so in closing, I would like to say I am sorry that you took things so harshly my man. I had no Idea you would not see the bottom half of my post and take everything as if I smashed you over the head with a bat or something. That was by far not me intentions and I hope you can forgive me.

Good talking with you as always.
 
Yo Nate, i received my Chlorothoxy, and see that it IS in fact methylated. I was just wondering if transdermals do avoid first pass through the liver or if they are mg for mg just as toxic as oral methyls.
 
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