M-Drol Bunk?
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gamer2be08
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All this propaganda BS!!!
Im not posting in this retarded thread anymore..
None of my responses have anything to do with NeedToBuildMuscle or me as a rep for them..
That is just how I personally feel, not company related..
Im not posting in this retarded thread anymore..
None of my responses have anything to do with NeedToBuildMuscle or me as a rep for them..
That is just how I personally feel, not company related..
schwellington
Well-known member
IM just gunna stand up for CEL here- my m14add is NOT dhea- i did read about those batches- but they fixed the problem- dhea doesnt shut u down lol nor cause u to gain 6 lbs rapidly
but needto is my new supp line- they r expensive- but i will pay for quality-period and no im not a focking rep
brugalou
Member
LMAO!!!!
SouthernCharm
Well-known member
This can happen with any steroid compound, and any supplement. Diet is by far the hardest thing to get down, and the most important. Changes in diet will show the greatest results. Remember that steroids aren't a magic pill. Still gotta put in time in the kitchen and in the gym.
My suggestion was to keep the mdrol, and purchase other superdrol clones out there as well. Nothing wrong with trying out different products and seeing what works best for you. The only thing that I have mentioned is based off user reports in log around the net. But in all honestly, I can't tell you that it's certain their training and diet were down pat.
To everyone else in this thread.. I think this topic has BEEN an issue, not just something that stemmed from nowhere when NTBM became a board sponsor. I will not claim that beastdrol shows better results then mdrol, I will simply offer my input that I have not seen any user reports stating that beast was uneffective. But everyone is right regarding the training and diet that should be number one in ANY training regimen, on or off cycle. I hope that this hasn't become a CEL NTBM pissing match, because both companies are seriously above that. No need to continue hashing it out. I have also mentioned that I have enjoyed CEL products, so I am not going to say that a bunk batch of mdrol discredits you as a reputable company, just as if someone gave NTBM honest feedback about a product that yielded less than desirable results.
Also take in consideration how we handle our affairs on the board is a representation of the companies we stand for.. So the less arguing we can take part of on an open forum, the better for both parties. It's one thing for someone to address OPs concern, but I don't feel its right to have rep wars on the forums. In the end the consumer will make their choice, which may be influenced by what someone on a thread may have to say, but at the same time remember that some decisions are made irrationaly, or are done despite of what others have adviced. I plead to the consumer to try whichever product you believe will suit you well, and to give open honest feedback about your experience. Thank you everyone for taking the time to read my long winded response.
hard iron
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I honestly think this has alot to do with it except for a select few people with strict diets. Carbs belive it or not control alot of the level of power superdrol puts off for most IMO, a bagel in the morning and some subway pre workout isn't going to blow you up even with steroids, I'm not saying everyone has crappy diets I'm just saying not everyone diets religiously like others, genetics, diet, etc all play a role with this.
even if your chokeing down pills. I belive s
CompEdgeLabs
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You have every right to express your opinion, and to buy whatever products by whomever you choose, just as I or any other consumer does.
And you may not have meant to be bashing or promoting, but it sure does look that way in this thread. I will give you the benefit of the doubt though as I know how easy it can be sometimes to get caught up in the moment and try to promote things a little too much to where it can come off the wrong way, even if you dont realize you're doing it.
And M-Drol does not define CEL, as Beast doesnt yours, BUT they are both reflections of the representative companies and you wouldnt want me randomly attacking yours to promote mine. And furthermore, I wouldnt do that.
As I said in my above post, if you or your boss have any type of lab report showing that M-Drol is anything other than what it is supposed to be, feel free to contact me and I will gladly compare documentation with him. And I will kindly request that you please have him take me up on this offer or stop spreading the false rumors about anything being wrong with any M-Drol. (Please note that I am not calling you a liar here, you may believe what you are saying, but I have documentation showing otherwise; and if there is conflicting data, that needs to be addressed in a professional manner and not made in form of speculation on a forum). All of the M-Drol that is left on the market - the raws were tested by PA's facility before they were encapsulated, and the finished product was tested for correct mg per capsule and quality.
Hopefully we can now either carry this over to a private professional discussion, or we can let the issue die and wish each other the best with our respective companies and go about promoting our own products without speaking negatively about each others.
Also, and this isnt at you, but just in general - no clue where the foreign thing came from. No company could afford shipping to retailers from outside the US and have their prices as competitively as we do. Not to mention that we deal with a ton of retailers in the industry, all of which can verify that we are indeed US based. Not to mention that fact that anyone that has spoke to me can verify that I have a southern accent
SouthernCharm
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russianstar
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Can i just make a point, nearly every m-drol user had great gains, M-drol is a very pure clone of superdol as the assays show.
However occasionaly raws can be tampered with or defected, Beastdrol is a pure powder, it also comes with a money back guarantee if you dont see it work, wich wont be needed as its the alpha isomer, clean gains just like the very first batches of superdrol.
There are beta isomers also, the gains are not as clean or pronounced so this many believe "COULD" be the reason m-drol has recieved mixed reviews... some people may argue the point, and we could all day, but ive seen both isomers first hand and there is a difference, other steroids with beta isomers also elicit very variable effects phera for example.
etiocholan is the ß-isomer
etioallacholan is the 5a isomer
There has been this disscussion a hundred times, misprint or not, there was a difference in a few of the batches, i doubt it truley was anything to do with it being beta or alpha, but was just a bunk batch either very weak or suffering with a molecular variable.
As CEL has said and ive seen the assays posted m-drol is legit as is beastdrol, ive used M-drol and loved it.
However occasionaly raws can be tampered with or defected, Beastdrol is a pure powder, it also comes with a money back guarantee if you dont see it work, wich wont be needed as its the alpha isomer, clean gains just like the very first batches of superdrol.
There are beta isomers also, the gains are not as clean or pronounced so this many believe "COULD" be the reason m-drol has recieved mixed reviews... some people may argue the point, and we could all day, but ive seen both isomers first hand and there is a difference, other steroids with beta isomers also elicit very variable effects phera for example.
etiocholan is the ß-isomer
etioallacholan is the 5a isomer
There has been this disscussion a hundred times, misprint or not, there was a difference in a few of the batches, i doubt it truley was anything to do with it being beta or alpha, but was just a bunk batch either very weak or suffering with a molecular variable.
As CEL has said and ive seen the assays posted m-drol is legit as is beastdrol, ive used M-drol and loved it.
CompEdgeLabs
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I am not sure who this was asked of, but I did want to state my opinion.
I think that there are some people that dont respond as well to Superdrol clones as others; I think there are some people that see others do so well that they think that they can just take the product as a substitute for proper diet and exercise; and yet there are others that just have an overexpecation of it. For example, I saw a thread where someone said they thought it was bad because they only gained 6 lbs in 3 weeks. I was like wtf.... If you gain 6 lbs in 3 weeks, either something is working or you are so new to working out and gaining so rapidly on your own that you shouldnt be using ph's to begin with lol.
I thought it was unnecessary that the M1,4ADD thing got brought up in this thread. That issue happened over 3 years ago. And it wasnt like we didnt have the batch tested; we had it tested and the lab made an error. The lab even wrote an explanation letter that was posted conveying it was their error, then we recalled and replaced all the product. And it was less than 1k units total that were affected. It sucked that it happened, but it wasnt our fault and we made it right. Not only that, but we learned from it and added in another step in the quality testing chain.
Anyone that thinks there are any remaining issues with M1,4ADD needs to check out Escholars log on it lol.
Agree on the diet and exercise part. Too many people view PH's &/or AAS as a substitute for good diet and training rather than an addition to them.
2nd paragraph - classy reply. I agree, I encourage people to feel free to try out different brands. Of course we, as well as any other company appreciates brand loyalty, but I think the best way to build that is for people to try a variety of lines and they will wind up with the one that they are the most satisfied with in terms of quality, price, service, etc.
3rd paragraph - I have never seen a negative review on Beast either; however, M-Drol has been around alot longer and has sold exponentially more bottles than Beast. And if Beast reaches that level, then there will be bad reviews and questions on it, just as there would be on any product that sells that much. It doesnt make it a bad product, its just that when any company sells a certain amount of product, there are bound to be some people that arent pleased with it for some given reason. And, I most definately prefer to avoid a pissing match. That is why I replied as tastefully as I did. I have never had a bad word to say about the company you represent and I was really surprised and disappointed in a few of the comments made in this thread. I hope that both of our respective companies and reps can move forward and work on building our companies in a positive manner and getting along at least cordially. The market is plenty big enough for both companies.
4th paragraph - well said. I think that when companies engage in argueing or bashing each other on a forum, no one truly wins because it makes both companies look bad.
I agree completely. I am surprised the amount of people that do ph's, and expecially Superdrol clones while on low or restricted carbs.
gamer2be08
Banned
You have every right to express your opinion, and to buy whatever products by whomever you choose, just as I or any other consumer does.
And you may not have meant to be bashing or promoting, but it sure does look that way in this thread. I will give you the benefit of the doubt though as I know how easy it can be sometimes to get caught up in the moment and try to promote things a little too much to where it can come off the wrong way, even if you dont realize you're doing it.
And M-Drol does not define CEL, as Beast doesnt yours, BUT they are both reflections of the representative companies and you wouldnt want me randomly attacking yours to promote mine. And furthermore, I wouldnt do that.
As I said in my above post, if you or your boss have any type of lab report showing that M-Drol is anything other than what it is supposed to be, feel free to contact me and I will gladly compare documentation with him. And I will kindly request that you please have him take me up on this offer or stop spreading the false rumors about anything being wrong with any M-Drol. (Please note that I am not calling you a liar here, you may believe what you are saying, but I have documentation showing otherwise; and if there is conflicting data, that needs to be addressed in a professional manner and not made in form of speculation on a forum). All of the M-Drol that is left on the market - the raws were tested by PA's facility before they were encapsulated, and the finished product was tested for correct mg per capsule and quality.
Hopefully we can now either carry this over to a private professional discussion, or we can let the issue die and wish each other the best with our respective companies and go about promoting our own products without speaking negatively about each others.
Also, and this isnt at you, but just in general - no clue where the foreign thing came from. No company could afford shipping to retailers from outside the US and have their prices as competitively as we do. Not to mention that we deal with a ton of retailers in the industry, all of which can verify that we are indeed US based. Not to mention that fact that anyone that has spoke to me can verify that I have a southern accent
I apologize as I was not here to promote NT or bash CEL.
I realize I sounded like an ass.
I was merely saying beastdrol because I used it, prior to becoming a rep on a calorie surplus and it did what it was supposed to do..
CompEdgeLabs
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Sounds great to me!
Im glad you guys still make cycle assist
Me too
ThanksThank you for your post. I appreciate it.
Just to add, and this isnt to be disagreeable in any way, just to be informative - we do test for raw quality before and after encapsulation, that way it doesnt allow for any tampering during the production process.
As for a beta isomer, it would actually be more expensive to make than the regular. In terms of raw material wise, and also just because Superdrol raws became so common place. I explained earlier why we named it the way we did, and being that PA confirmed it being acceptable to name it that way, we saw no reason to change it.
As for the discussions of there being bad batches, we have always tested every batch before and after production, and then the one time that some people questioned a certain batch, we tested it again. That is far more than most companies would do; we do listen to customers, and we do care. And we took that extra step that time to help people not worry, even though we knew the test would come back fine, and it did.
I'm glad you were pleased with M-Drol; and I havent used Beast Drol, but have absolutely nothing bad to say about it at all.
I hope that both companies can wish each other well and peacefully coexist as there is plenty of room for both.
And, I do really appreciate your post.
CompEdgeLabs
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No worries, I appreciate the apology. I know that sometimes its easy to get caught up in trying to make a point and go overboard with it; I have been guilty of that in the past myself, and sometimes have to stop myself and reread or rewrite my posts several times to make sure I am coming off the way I really want to be.
And you just made a point; and I think someone else touched on this on the last page - sometimes when people say any SD clone doesnt work for them, they in reality may not have their carbs or total calories high enough. Some people are fortunate enough to be able to do well off SD clones when their carbs are lower; most people (including me) are not.
gamer2be08
Banned
I take in at least 400g carbs per day lol..
SouthernCharm
Well-known member
I did great with SD on a carb restricted diet, HOWEVER I did FEEL different. Throwing out carbs, I can expect a little less explosive strength during my workouts, so this next cycle Im running on keto should definitely be interesting to say the least. I seriously think there's non responders too.. So many factors could skew someones results.
CompEdgeLabs
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People do respond differently. For me, there is a dramatic difference between the amount of total carbs vs complex carbs I take in. And not just with ph's or supps, but just talking about in terms of general gains.
I agree that there are non responders with anything. And even if only a small percent, when you sell a certain amount of bottles that small percent can add up.
I will be currious as well to see how you do on a keto diet. I dont do well off SD on carb restriction, but carb restriction kills my explosiveness in general. Something to note there though is that I require a high amount of complex carbs in relation to my body weight to function and gain in general, and for adequate explosiveness even more (along with a good amount of simple ones pre and post training). The older I get, the less simple carbs I can utilize without gaining fat, but the more complex carbs I seem to require.
What we are discussing here is something alot of people need to fully think out. I think alot of people dont really realize just how important getting the proper nutrition is for them in terms of results in general, and I think too many people try to go by what works for someone else rather than experimenting and seeing what works best for them. For years, I feel like I wasted gains by being scared I would add too much fat from going too high on complex carbs, when I have now realized I dont think I could pysically eat too many complex carbs as long as my sugar intake is fairly low.
SBT
Member
this is SOOO true!! I'm always intrigued by how many different supplements and diets work so differently for different people.
ZamaMan
Banned
Kudos to the cel rep you handled this thread more professionally than anyone would hope for.
I will probably start a log on here for my 2nd m drol run since there's too many is my m drol bunk threads. I'm thinking about buying a bottle or two while lockout has them for crazy cheap.
Gamer if you really think that beastdrol is superior and more effective than m drol put your money where your mouth is and use those rep powers to send me a bottle to log. I would expect the same great results of 20-40lb on most lifts with some solid mass. I'm just starting my second m drol run 3rd sd run in total and am addicted to this stuff. Lol
that is all
I will probably start a log on here for my 2nd m drol run since there's too many is my m drol bunk threads. I'm thinking about buying a bottle or two while lockout has them for crazy cheap.
Gamer if you really think that beastdrol is superior and more effective than m drol put your money where your mouth is and use those rep powers to send me a bottle to log. I would expect the same great results of 20-40lb on most lifts with some solid mass. I'm just starting my second m drol run 3rd sd run in total and am addicted to this stuff. Lol
that is all
CompEdgeLabs
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Thanks. I always try to be as professional as possible.
I wanted to comment on you starting your 3rd cycle of an SD clone. Alot of people get caught up in liking a particular compound so much that they keep using it, but as with most things, the more you use the same compound, the more risk you run of not being as pleased with it because the body can respond less over time. That doesnt necessarily happen with everyone, but it is very possible. And also, SD clones are some of the stronger more harsh items, so I would encourage you to look into some other options as well.
If you want to pm me your goals, I will be glad to help you look into some alternate options.
jbryand101b
Banned
gamer2be08
Banned
I put about 100lbs on my squat.. Is that proof enough??
gamer2be08
Banned
Also, something beast has that no other clone has is 500mg of L-Carnintine L-Tartrate...
I'll see if we can hook you up with a bottle of Beast, and maybe you could compare the feel of Beast to any other SD clone available. But like CEL said, after a few runs of the same compound, you probably wont get the same effcts as cycle 1 or 2, especially if you have hit or are close to your genetic limitation..
ZamaMan
Banned
Yeah I agree with the don't use sd all the time thing. I actually didn't mean to run it this cycle. I started with m14-e and dropped it on day 25 so 5 days early since it was doing good up I was hoping for more. I knew 5 days wasnt going to do very much so I made the choice to drop it a little early and sqeeze in 18-21 days of sd since a few weeks after pct i plan to cut to 10%bf.
Yes this was probably not the safest way of doing it but it was my personal decision since I really wanted to throw on some solid mass before my cut.
The m14-e was working but I expected it to start working too soon since I heard m14add gave results in like week 2. I made the mistake of bumping up my calories too high too fast. The result was in the first 2.5 weeks i went from. 13.5% bf to 15 or 15.5 even. The following week I pulled the cals back and slowed my progress. Now cals are back up even if it means becoming a 16% bf slob. Lol
so all the problems started with my diet mistakes and bulking at 13.5 %. Next time i cut to 10% and never plan on seeing the likes of 15% again. =] in the meantime I will continue to bulk till maybe 215lb or so.
The first SD bottle may have been good or not I'm not sure it was by SSL and sold to me in my 2nd month of working out by the nutrition store worker. He said it was a test booster that makes your workouts awesome. God i like to punch him. Anyways I don know if it worked because I was already gaining about 5lbs a week per excercising and packing on 3-4 lb of muscle a week since I was an underweight ectomorph.
2nd sd cycle was m Drol and only 17 days than I bailed cause my freind was in town and we were drinkig alot. Though I better stop since I didn't have te self control. In those 17 days I added 100lb to my leg press. =]
So that's my whole pathetic cycle history. Thanks to you good gents over the past year I have become realitively educated on all this now.
Yes this was probably not the safest way of doing it but it was my personal decision since I really wanted to throw on some solid mass before my cut.
The m14-e was working but I expected it to start working too soon since I heard m14add gave results in like week 2. I made the mistake of bumping up my calories too high too fast. The result was in the first 2.5 weeks i went from. 13.5% bf to 15 or 15.5 even. The following week I pulled the cals back and slowed my progress. Now cals are back up even if it means becoming a 16% bf slob. Lol
so all the problems started with my diet mistakes and bulking at 13.5 %. Next time i cut to 10% and never plan on seeing the likes of 15% again. =] in the meantime I will continue to bulk till maybe 215lb or so.
The first SD bottle may have been good or not I'm not sure it was by SSL and sold to me in my 2nd month of working out by the nutrition store worker. He said it was a test booster that makes your workouts awesome. God i like to punch him. Anyways I don know if it worked because I was already gaining about 5lbs a week per excercising and packing on 3-4 lb of muscle a week since I was an underweight ectomorph.
2nd sd cycle was m Drol and only 17 days than I bailed cause my freind was in town and we were drinkig alot. Though I better stop since I didn't have te self control. In those 17 days I added 100lb to my leg press. =]
So that's my whole pathetic cycle history. Thanks to you good gents over the past year I have become realitively educated on all this now.
ZamaMan
Banned
Note I know there was lots of typos.
I meant to say since I was an underweight ecto I was growing 3-4 lbs of muscle a month not week. Even though I was adding weight like crazy it just made me look average. Now I'm about 25lb of LBM heavier which is 40lbs heavier than when I started working out a year ago.
The ideal way of doing things? Absolutely not but hey it's got me here. Gosh I can't wait for 25 more lbs of muscle whih will no doubt put me at my genetic limit.
My goal is 210-215@8%
I meant to say since I was an underweight ecto I was growing 3-4 lbs of muscle a month not week. Even though I was adding weight like crazy it just made me look average. Now I'm about 25lb of LBM heavier which is 40lbs heavier than when I started working out a year ago.
The ideal way of doing things? Absolutely not but hey it's got me here. Gosh I can't wait for 25 more lbs of muscle whih will no doubt put me at my genetic limit.
My goal is 210-215@8%
CompEdgeLabs
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I wouldnt personally go from M14e to a SD clone, but as you stated, its a personal decision. My reply here isnt so much to you as it is just to others that may be reading.
Just make sure you are doing your proper support supplements.
horizons
Well-known member
mmm this thread got out of hand. ALot of attacking lol
I bought 3 bottles of M drol for me and my mates in the future because i always got told that it was a fantastic superdrol clone.
Then i come across threads like this and it really makes me feel silly in purchasing them.
Are there any links or threads with lab results? just curious or do i just search for my batch number?
I bought 3 bottles of M drol for me and my mates in the future because i always got told that it was a fantastic superdrol clone.
Then i come across threads like this and it really makes me feel silly in purchasing them.
Are there any links or threads with lab results? just curious
or do i just search for my batch number?
CompEdgeLabs
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mmm this thread got out of hand. ALot of attacking lol
I bought 3 bottles of M drol for me and my mates in the future because i always got told that it was a fantastic superdrol clone.
Then i come across threads like this and it really makes me feel silly in purchasing them.
Are there any links or threads with lab results? just curious
We have posted lad results over and over again.
And no, it doesnt give the product a good name, but we cannot help people posting stuff like this. From our end, we do more in the way of quality controls than any other company that made ph's.
mw1
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mmm this thread got out of hand. ALot of attacking lol
I bought 3 bottles of M drol for me and my mates in the future because i always got told that it was a fantastic superdrol clone.
Then i come across threads like this and it really makes me feel silly in purchasing them.
Are there any links or threads with lab results? just curious
If you look at PHF I have posted about 4 or 5 of the latest batches there
horizons
Well-known member
This is from another post in regards to your lab results:
ha ha, if you believe that well, great.
99% pure b isomer, or wait, one said half a isomer, half b isomer.
lab test went off the bottle, thats why it tested as b isomer but it's really a labeling error, and the orig. a isomer.
m14add tested 99% pure too, but uh oh, pa showed it to be dhea.
just recently the pp tested as not being 99%bpure from an outside soure, but their c.o.a. showed it to be 99% pure.
point is, anyone can make a coa, or doctor one to show online.
it's the actutal user reviews of the product that count. and most user reviews of mdrol have been good.
but then there are a bunch that have had zero results from it.
now mastavol, or even superdrone, or even the limited run of sd-1 from nutraplanet, check any log, and you will never see zero results.
ha ha, if you believe that well, great.
99% pure b isomer, or wait, one said half a isomer, half b isomer.
lab test went off the bottle, thats why it tested as b isomer but it's really a labeling error, and the orig. a isomer.
m14add tested 99% pure too, but uh oh, pa showed it to be dhea.
just recently the pp tested as not being 99%bpure from an outside soure, but their c.o.a. showed it to be 99% pure.
point is, anyone can make a coa, or doctor one to show online.
it's the actutal user reviews of the product that count. and most user reviews of mdrol have been good.
but then there are a bunch that have had zero results from it.
now mastavol, or even superdrone, or even the limited run of sd-1 from nutraplanet, check any log, and you will never see zero results.
CompEdgeLabs
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Are you familiar with the difference between a COA and a Independant Lab Test? Apparently you are not, and you really should familiarize yourself with the difference before posting things like the above.
A COA is a Certificate of Analysis from a raw material vendor that means basically nothing. An Independant Lab Analysis is independant testing from a lab, in the case of the one we use, a DEA certified lab. Thats about as good of an independant test result as you can get.
M-Drol is a Superdrol clone. Period. People can nit pick the way its labeled all they want, but PA, AX, and RTP Labs all verified its a Superdrol clone and all said it was fine to label the product that way.
As for the part about PP, PP is the common abbreviation for Phera Plex, which was claimed by some to be almost all one isomer when it wasnt. IT ISNT OUR PRODUCT SO WTF?! We have P-Plex, and on the independant lab reports we always provided, it even listed the breakdown between the isomers.
There was one bad batch of M1,4ADD over 3 years ago and it was due to a lab testing error. You act like we didnt test the product or something. Please research a situation before commenting on it. We had the product tested, the lab said it was pure; it wasnt, the lab issued a statement that we posted identifying it as being their fault. We recalled and replaced the product. That was all we could do. We handled the situation in the proper way. Then from that point on, we had PA's company test the raw materials before going into production, and RTP test them afterwards. That is two different facilities that tested all of our ph's, one for quality of raws before production, and then a seperate one for quality and correct mg per cap afterwards.
If you really want to nit pick the quality of a product, why not go question companies that dont test them at all, or companies that say they do but then wont post the results.
And in regard to user reviews mattering, they certainly do. And the majority of M-Drol reviews have been great. Years worth of them. Do you see some bad ones? Certainly. This issue has been discussed. Not everyone responds as well to things, and we cant physically make people eat and train correctly. It is a supplement, not a magic pill that makes miracles happen.
The suggestion to check the user reviews of Superdrone, etc - sales wise, think about the number of total M-Drol sold in proportion to those products. Of course there would be more feedback, both good and bad because there was so much more sold. And yes, one of the ones you mentioned did have some quality issues and bad reviews. Might want to research that.
And the part about the suggestion of faking a COA; damn right, anyone can. Point is, we dont provide COA's, we provide independant lab analysis from DEA certified labs. Contact information for the labs is public info and even on the lab reports.
I try to handle things like this with as much restraint as possible, and be tactful and polite, but stuff like this post with the allegations borders on just absurdity. Make sure you understand what you are posting before you post it. I hope my post clears some of that up and helps you understand a clear picture on things.
In summary - if people want a product that was tested by two seperate facilities, that the Independant Labs Tests were made public on, and want it at a cost effective price, then M-Drol is/was an excellent option. And that isnt saying any other product is better or worse; I am just making a statement about M-Drol. A Superdrol clone is a Superdrol clone; if it is tested pure, then its pure. And in the case of ours, tested by two seperate places.
Superdrol clones arent miracle pills, no ones is; but they are damn effective for most people that use them along with proper diet and exercise.
There will never be anything that can be done to appease some people. If you/anyone else doesnt want to buy the product, then make the decision that is right for you. But rather than nit pick a company that has provided their test results over and over, request the same of some of the other companies that made ph's over the years and see if you can even get them to provide any.
horizons
Well-known member
Amazing response! But dont get me wrong dude, that WASNT my post, that was someone else that was all. It wasnt my opinion at all, i just was searching around, i think it was made like a few months ago from a member from here on AM. It sordof took my eye
Extremley proffessional, i apologise if i have came across attacking as i dont know much about isomers or testing or anything like that
I will be running M drol with confidence
CompEdgeLabs
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It could have something to do with it in certain cases because one bottle can last for more than one cycle; and if someone just throws in it a gym bag that gets left in a hot car, etc.
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Amazing response! But dont get me wrong dude, that WASNT my post, that was someone else that was all. It wasnt my opinion at all, i just was searching around, i think it was made like a few months ago from a member from here on AM. It sordof took my eye
Extremley proffessional, i apologise if i have came across attacking as i dont know much about isomers or testing or anything like that
I will be running M drol with confidence
I understand that it wasnt your original post, but you brought it up, and brought it into a thread that wasnt really even active at the point that you did it. Whether your post or not, when you repost things you take some level of responsibility for them. If I continuously post something that is false, people will look at me in a negative light for conveying the information, even if I wasnt the original source of it.
And my reply wasnt just to you. It was to the points in general. Very rarely do I post directly at one person, but to the population as a whole.
I hope that my post was able to clear up some things and help give a better understanding of things to you as well as others reading.
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what dp was writing was from me.
I dont want to get into an argument. I have nothing agains cel, and the rep, for the most part, had done his best to justify their reasoning. numerous times.
mdrol label issue has been beat to death and does need to die. I have seen more positive reviews of mdrol than I have negative.
I may even try mdrol myself some day.
I will say this though in defense of my posting on the label error.
I have discussed this on phf with both henry v & in the ask pa forum.
henry & pa are the ones who convinced me it was only a label error, and no way infact could contain a b isomer compound. (as well as seth roberts, on this site)
but, never once have I seen any of them say it was okay to mislabel a product by a different name, or use wording for a different isomer.
patrick arnold made justifications as to why a b isomer would not be cost effective to make, and why a b isomer compound would not work, but he never said, nor have I ever seen a post on the subject by him stating it doesn't matter.
obviously if it didn't matter, this whole issue wouldn't of been brought up, and the company wouldn't bother labeling other products correctly.
in the end, mdrol is old news, and no longer produced I believe. so this is no longer a relavant issue.
Label issues happen. consumers dont really pay attention. I can not blame the rep for doing his job. it isn't his fault the big dogs didn't care enough to fix this problem.
and to show you how nice a guy I am, dimethazine, look at this compound. any place you find it, if you look closely, you will notice a 17b methyl & 17b ol (hydroxy) in the nomenclature. this is a label error, every single company to release this product has made.
it is impossible to have a 17beta methyl & 17beta hydroxy group. since steroid need a 17beta hydroxy group to function, that only leaves it to be 17alpha methyl, as will all 17a steroids.
I have convinced a company to change this, but it was on their steroid profiles, which is much easier to do than change a label.
big dogs dont care enough to fix it, and consumers dont care enough to check it.
not the reps fault.
I dont want to get into an argument. I have nothing agains cel, and the rep, for the most part, had done his best to justify their reasoning. numerous times.
mdrol label issue has been beat to death and does need to die. I have seen more positive reviews of mdrol than I have negative.
I may even try mdrol myself some day.
I will say this though in defense of my posting on the label error.
I have discussed this on phf with both henry v & in the ask pa forum.
henry & pa are the ones who convinced me it was only a label error, and no way infact could contain a b isomer compound. (as well as seth roberts, on this site)
but, never once have I seen any of them say it was okay to mislabel a product by a different name, or use wording for a different isomer.
patrick arnold made justifications as to why a b isomer would not be cost effective to make, and why a b isomer compound would not work, but he never said, nor have I ever seen a post on the subject by him stating it doesn't matter.
obviously if it didn't matter, this whole issue wouldn't of been brought up, and the company wouldn't bother labeling other products correctly.
in the end, mdrol is old news, and no longer produced I believe. so this is no longer a relavant issue.
Label issues happen. consumers dont really pay attention. I can not blame the rep for doing his job. it isn't his fault the big dogs didn't care enough to fix this problem.
and to show you how nice a guy I am, dimethazine, look at this compound. any place you find it, if you look closely, you will notice a 17b methyl & 17b ol (hydroxy) in the nomenclature. this is a label error, every single company to release this product has made.
it is impossible to have a 17beta methyl & 17beta hydroxy group. since steroid need a 17beta hydroxy group to function, that only leaves it to be 17alpha methyl, as will all 17a steroids.
I have convinced a company to change this, but it was on their steroid profiles, which is much easier to do than change a label.
big dogs dont care enough to fix it, and consumers dont care enough to check it.
not the reps fault.