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think i've got my next madness cycle figured out

Jasen said:
u can find all the info on a thread titled pramipexiol i started. all is answeared any question post on there so we dont hi-jack it. last time unreal knocked on my door and left a fish rapped in newspaper lieng at my door step.
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dang i was hoping he did the flamming bag of sh!t ........classic
 
no.............. thats was HUMP****. he got my glaring at his whore. he wasn't jelouse or anything just needed an excuse to "light some **** on fire" lmfao get it
 
day 23

yesterday i noticed the extra cap of SD, was feeling that body "on" feeling more. Splurged on some "weed icecream" last night, but ate normal 6th meal after it. For some reason my weight has blasted way up. I would be concerned if my workout weren't awesome, my pump insane, and my arms lookin huge.

The scale at the gym said 236, after my shake my scale said 240.

I also decided to drop the Phera, since I thought it would not do much compared to 30mg of SD and I would rather not have its toxicity when I know 30mg of SD can get the job done. The extra bit i feel since taking that extra cap yesterday is amazing, i would able to take 20mg SD pre-WO today and it was a great day. Also I figured I would take it easier since a side cropped up today: joints popping and some minor wrist pain on some exercises.

Did some standing dumbell hammer curls 70*6, 75*6, 80*6, 85*6, high volume training for triceps, mostly dips, then a bit more volume and isolation on biceps. The pumped up look I got was amazing. My energy recuperation was very rapid.

Anyway I will do a few more days on 30 i'll see how it feels.
 
unreal do you do any close grip bench work for triceps? ive been incorporating alot of close grip incline barbell presses and my bench has shot way up.. and my tris have gotten ridiculously strongger also.. ill throw in flat bench close grip every couple weeks but man.. i get a longer range of motion on the inclines though..
 
bigzach1234 said:
unreal do you do any close grip bench work for triceps? ive been incorporating alot of close grip incline barbell presses and my bench has shot way up.. and my tris have gotten ridiculously strongger also.. ill throw in flat bench close grip every couple weeks but man.. i get a longer range of motion on the inclines though..
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i would but my schedule right now is too fast to allow it

1) back/light legs 2) chest/shoulders 3) arms 4) off then repeat

so on arms day when i'm hitting triceps, my chest/shoulders are destroyed and I can't CGBP as much weight as usual. That's also a reason i haven't been doing weighted dips, is when my chest is destroyed I just can't go as heavy on those

so my routine has increased the frequency but that means I have to sacrifice a few things
 
HumpTheCook said:
what does your chest / shoulder day look like? that sounds horrendous lol
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lot of incline bench, shoulder press and dumbell chest flys, heavy shrugs, lots of deltoid flys
 
crazyfool405 said:
just gunna say **** sdrol, bump up the pplex, phera is the tits 60mg broski
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Dude, that extra cap of SD made such a big difference. Even dropping the Phera today I am still up in weight, very hungry/thirsty, have a better full body pump and had a great day in the gym.

Phera is always decent on me but i don't want to run 30/40 and have 70mg of methyls a day that just sounds like a bad idea. I have run 50mg of Phera and it wasn't really better than 40 or 30. And I'd say 20 of Super was better than all of those.

I just think my problem was running a constant dose for so long, I had to kick it up a notch. I am perfectly happy to finish up my 4th week with just 30mg of Superdrol. Man I am going to hit 240 pounds. Don't ask about bf though lol there is some bloat going on now. But I will accept it and keep making strength gains.
 
wutz ur bf at lol. jk but srs it cant be to high, last pics you provided you were pretty ripped up
 
i said i started around 11, at one point i said i was approaching 10, now I feel more like a 12. I've still got my abs, but all the definition is pretty washed out.

i'll try to do a picture at the end of the SD period
 
im interested to see how you feel in a couple days. once the phera has been dropped for a little longer. if you still feel a greater pump. ive said already multiple times but SD needs to get the bump after a couple weeks or you playeau rather quickly.

everything in here looks great... i couldnt do shoulders and chest like that together. i get shoulder pain when i work out shoulders buts just pain. i get the real bad, feel like im damaging something pain when i do chest, specifically incline BB press. combine that with military press and such and it would be a bad combo for me. sounds like it would be an incredible upperbody pump though. you prob look like an animal on those days.
 
yeah humpy you are right, SD needs a bump after a few weeks. I was feelin stagnant for a few days not really feeling it but today i feel it, full body is hard and pumped.

shoulders and chest is tough, right off the bat the incline work hits everything hard and then I just keep frying my delts and chest. I was only able to take my incline chest flys to 65's and the shoulder flys are with 30-45 pound dumbells depending on what i'm doing exactly.

But no i looked like more of a monster today doing arms lol, they swelled up like crazy and i was walking around like a gorilla. Funny my training partner mentioned the same thing and we check our arms in the mirror... instead of let's say 165 degrees at the elbow joint, it's tensed up to like 145 degrees I can't really say exactly but it's very visible lol.


On another note, Fedex is breaking my balls. I ordered from Nutra a week ago and Fedex has had it stuck in GA for 5 days straight. i think they lost it. I'm really pissed, I want mY **** NOW
 
yeah a solid arm day can def give you the monster look as well... love the feeling of the full arm pump.

and the order of a WO has a huge impact on the weights you throw up. i remember a few summers ago when i was cutting up real lean so my strength was down anyway and volume way way up but i was doing flat DB press as a superset with dips after i had already done inline press/ incline flies. decline press/ cable flies... i was maxing out at like 60x10-12... just done.

you do shoulder flies standing or seated? arms straight or elbows bent?
 
i do all kinds of shoulder flys. Standing front and lateral. Lateral one arm at a time with my other arm holding me steady. Front raises one arm at a time with the other arm holding me steady. Seated rear delt raises. Elbows always have a small bend to them and locked in that position.

So while i'll only do 30-35 on the rear delt flys, I'll do 45's easy on the one-armed lateral flys. Start with like 20 reps and decrease rapidly from there... I don't even keep track of it, I just try to endure the pain.
 
your style of shoulder workouts sound just like mine. once i get past the press... its high intensity and high volume and murderous. it hurts bad but i love BIG delts. the veins bulge like a mofo on the one arm front raises.

im trying to build a religion on these shoulders.
 
something has changed since dropping the Phera and taking SD to 30mg. I am really feeling it so much more. I wonder if it was bumping up from a static dose. I wonder if the phera was stealing receptors from the SD (lol). I don't know, but the last couple days i've felt it way more.

I trained arms yesterday, today they're not sore just pumped. I've got a full body pump. Feeling very big. Gym scale said 237 (+17). Started to notice some back tightness.

Looks like i'm on track, next few days are going to be fun.
 
HumpTheCook said:
your style of shoulder workouts sound just like mine. once i get past the press... its high intensity and high volume and murderous. it hurts bad but i love BIG delts. the veins bulge like a mofo on the one arm front raises.

im trying to build a religion on these shoulders.
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my shoulder presses used to be pretty impressive, waaay better than my chest presses, but my shoulders never EVER had any seperation in them until i dropped presses to MAYBE every other week. now i basically ony do different types of shoulder flies and trap work and my shoulders have grown so fast and started looking awesome.

my shoulders are so inflexible to the point i cant even do back squats anymore because i cant hold onto the bar behind my head lol
 
UnrealMachine said:
day 22 of the stack

scale as gym says 232, mine says 235, whatever. I need to make one thing clear:

this stack isn't cutting it. Apparently up a few pounds in the last couple weeks but not much. Strength gains this chest workout over last week's were close to 0. Still good pump, hardness and energy recuperation though. Absolutely no sides. Just not noticing as much as I expected to be at this point. I was feeling more jacked on the 2nd week. I look better now than then, though.
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Up your calories. You worry too much about your BF; use the SD to get huge, you have a cut/recomp portion of the cycle planned anyway.

UnrealMachine said:
day 23

yesterday i noticed the extra cap of SD, was feeling that body "on" feeling more. Splurged on some "weed icecream" last night, but ate normal 6th meal after it. For some reason my weight has blasted way up. I would be concerned if my workout weren't awesome, my pump insane, and my arms lookin huge.

The scale at the gym said 236, after my shake my scale said 240.
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Hmmm... splurge ice cream added and weight goes up. Calories bro, calories. 1 extra cap of SD won't add 6 lbs overnight - but if you had a good burst of kcals, then there ya go.

UnrealMachine said:
i would but my schedule right now is too fast to allow it

1) back/light legs 2) chest/shoulders 3) arms 4) off then repeat

so on arms day when i'm hitting triceps, my chest/shoulders are destroyed and I can't CGBP as much weight as usual. That's also a reason i haven't been doing weighted dips, is when my chest is destroyed I just can't go as heavy on those

so my routine has increased the frequency but that means I have to sacrifice a few things
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Might I suggest my favorite split of all time? 1) chest/back 2) legs/traps 3) shoulders/arms 4) off - repeat (I used to take 2 days off but if you only need one go for it)

To tweak it to your needs, do this: 1) chest/back width 2) light legs/traps/back thickness 3) shoulders/arms

Hell, with a "light" leg day, you could construct this split to really focus on bringing up any lagging body parts you may have. Let me know if you want more input.

Advantages

1) Every body part has at least 2 days to rest before being hit again secondarily.
2) Agonist/antagonist pairings
3) Flexible if needed

Disadvantages

1) ??? I love that split.

Eat more unreal, I wanna see you at 250. :shocked1:
 
i couldn't say no to weed ice cream. but it was ~ 1/2 cup, should not translate to +5 pounds a couple days later. The SD has picked up insane since i went to 30mg, i don't even understand it.

Today my workout was good and bad. I did get 315*6 on my bent over rows which i think is absolutely amazing. After that though, back pumps started picking up, AND i had anticipated them this morning and took taurine, well it didn't help. The pump I had was intense and too much, i.e. i had to cut my lunges short because my forearms were too pumped to hold the dumbells. After a couple sets of legs, they swelled up and just ached and felt pumped and inflexible. I only did about 10 working sets, but I sweat through my shirt and felt like vomiting at the end, what a workout.

Speaking of inflexible, i'm so inflexible now.

I have no idea why i can do 20SD/30PP and get no sides no back pumps then drop the phera add 10SD and suddenly jump up 5 pounds, feel stupid pumped all day and get back pumps.

I am trying to finish off strong Dragon don't count on me eating more though. My appetite is not here, which concerns me because that seems related to liver stress. You guys ever notice people complaining about loss of appetite late in an oral cycle? That's about how I feel, and I'm not used to feeling it.

Honestly I'm pretty happy with what I got out of this... good first stage in my cycle... I have a few more days to try and close on 240. But lemme say something else, I went on a hike last week, and that made me really hate weighing so much. I feel like a gross, sweaty and inefficient human being, carrying so much redundant LBM around when I'm just trying to enjoy a hike, and constantly worrying about when it's going to be over so I can get back and pound a protein shake.
There are a lot of things that are not fun about being big. Having to eat all day every day and stress about your calories. Not fitting into any normal clothing. Not being able to run well. Sweating up a storm from doing anything. And I mean anything... if it's over 70 degrees out I will start sweating through my shirt from walking around. If it's 75-80+ I will spontaneously sweat.

All i'm getting at is that I'm looking forward to the cutting portion of my cycle. I was so much happier last summer after my recomp sitting at 212 pounds.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I feel like a gross, sweaty and inefficient human being, carrying so much redundant LBM around when I'm just trying to enjoy a hike, and constantly worrying about when it's going to be over so I can get back and pound a protein shake.
There are a lot of things that are not fun about being big. Having to eat all day every day and stress about your calories. Not fitting into any normal clothing. Not being able to run well. Sweating up a storm from doing anything. And I mean anything... if it's over 70 degrees out I will start sweating through my shirt from walking around. If it's 75-80+ I will spontaneously sweat.
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^^^this

ive always despised those fat asses who ride around in their car in 80 degree weather with the windows rolled up and the a/c on full blast... now i know why they do

its fu**in awesome being a beast and being able to dwarf all the guys in the gym with strength and size but there are definetely downsides
 
Yeah like your pants splitting in the crotch when you squat down to pick something up, like having to spend so much money on food, like sweating to death and having people look at you like you're about to have heat stroke... LOL

Do you think cardio would help with the sweating at all? Or do you think it's directly related to burning so many calories at rest?

Also... Don't be scared of the carbs bro.. I know you dont wanna bloat up but if you gain a couple extra pounds of muscle its a couple extra pounds of muscle you get to keep when you recomp... You will be adjusting your carbs even more im sure and bloat from high carbs only sets me back a couple of days. its all temporary, it all passes. Hell throw some ice cream in with your protein shake have a REAL gainer shake LMAO

You bust your ass at the gym, shock your body a little and throw some nasty simple calories in there unreal
 
SouthernCharm said:
Yeah like your pants splitting in the crotch when you squat down to pick something up
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this chick asked me the other day why i pull the legs of my shorts up before i pick something up off the ground... i told her that most of the time its to make sure my balls are out of the way so they dont get squashed between my legs lol
 
i agree about the carbs unreal,

i went from 225 to 240 during my current cycle.. i carbed my ass off- about 40% of my 4000 calories, you do the math on grams...

im "recomping" this last 6 weeks and after only a week of carb cycling, i notice much less of a bloat (im not lean by any means, about 16%) but definetly temporary glycogen and water storage while carbing... probably lost an inch or 2 off the waist

i think its necessary keeping your carbs up to gain pounds of muscle on cycle... carbs are extremely anabolic and you just gotta decide if you wanna sacrifice being a litle bloated for a couple months to gain more mass
 
i feel ur pain unreal. im not huge by my standards, but bigger than the average joe.....but i feel like a damn polar bear wearing a fur coat in the f uckin sahara desert when i go out in weather 70+ degrees. the "bigarexia" prevents me from enjoying walks, going on runs, hell just going out to my car without dripping in sweat and needing to run home to eat or down a protein shake.
 
bezoe said:
i agree about the carbs unreal,

i went from 225 to 240 during my current cycle.. i carbed my ass off- about 40% of my 4000 calories, you do the math on grams...

im "recomping" this last 6 weeks and after only a week of carb cycling, i notice much less of a bloat (im not lean by any means, about 16%) but definetly temporary glycogen and water storage while carbing... probably lost an inch or 2 off the waist

i think its necessary keeping your carbs up to gain pounds of muscle on cycle... carbs are extremely anabolic and you just gotta decide if you wanna sacrifice being a litle bloated for a couple months to gain more mass
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agreed! i think part of it is what dark half said earlier. the grass is green on the other side.. But you know man you're still trying to gain that muscle bro keep at it!! LOL

nosnmiveins said:
i feel ur pain unreal. im not huge by my standards, but bigger than the average joe.....but i feel like a damn polar bear wearing a fur coat in the f uckin sahara desert when i go out in weather 70+ degrees. the "bigarexia" prevents me from enjoying walks, going on runs, hell just going out to my car without dripping in sweat and needing to run home to eat or down a protein shake.
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Polar bear... That was a funny image!

and yeah i feel ya about having to run home.. People at work are like "damnn he's always eating!"

or when im with my friends and ive got my protein in the car or something theyre like "damn bro you just ate a couple hours ago!"
 
i love you guys you know exactly what i'm talking about! and lmao bezoe @ the balls... that's another thing about big legs is there's less room for the sack lol.

I know i need carbs to gain muscle but I have to do it very cautiously. If I raise carbs much I will just blow up in a bad way. I get fat pretty easy off of them and have a pretty slow metabolism... You guys saw my diet plan, you must realize that it's well under 4000 calories yet here I am closing in on 240.

I do believe in shocking up your calories every now and then... so I don't stress too bad if extra carbs get in there sometimes. But i just can't do it consistently.


On a lighter note, i got some fresh air, feel better, got a functional appetite again, ready to keep killing this ****.
 
dude im gonna break 4100 tonight ive been good about not going over 3700 any day on cycle except cheat days but today my hunger is insatiable.. and i only had 70 carbs.. can you believe that? ive been a good boy!!! LOL
 
would anyone think less of me if i were to use PP 1T to bridge the gap between the two oral phases? Just an idea that crossed my mind.

further updates: taking liver juice 1000mg milk thistle ed, taking hawthorn berry 1.1g ed.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Dude, that extra cap of SD made such a big difference. Even dropping the Phera today I am still up in weight, very hungry/thirsty, have a better full body pump and had a great day in the gym.

Phera is always decent on me but i don't want to run 30/40 and have 70mg of methyls a day that just sounds like a bad idea. I have run 50mg of Phera and it wasn't really better than 40 or 30. And I'd say 20 of Super was better than all of those.

I just think my problem was running a constant dose for so long, I had to kick it up a notch. I am perfectly happy to finish up my 4th week with just 30mg of Superdrol. Man I am going to hit 240 pounds. Don't ask about bf though lol there is some bloat going on now. But I will accept it and keep making strength gains.
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we can work around the bloat, and harden. For you it shouldnt be to hard because your on point. you know the dizzle broseph.

your body image is way outta wack, ull be at 9% and think your at 12.
 
UnrealMachine said:
would anyone think less of me if i were to use PP 1T to bridge the gap between the two oral phases? Just an idea that crossed my mind.

further updates: taking liver juice 1000mg milk thistle ed, taking hawthorn berry 1.1g ed.
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i wouldnt do it, mainly bc tren (pro dienolones) IMO blows and i used a lot of it.

and it will still cause liver enzymes to raise.

i would add NAC man and drop thistle i never liked it much, but NAC is the **** with lysine and Glutathione.
 
With your past issues with Tren I would probably avoid it. What about using NPP instead of Tren? Some other boards have talked about how great it is and you don't get the water bloat of deca. Just a thought I wanted to throw out there.
 
i was actually talking about 1T, their 1AD product not the 1-T Tren. But it's whatever, i was high last night, getting crazy cycle ideas, fishing for encouragement, lol. I have a serious addiction to cycle planning, but I'll stick with the original plan.

day 26
238 (+18)
30mg SD continues

once again my workout was good in some ways and bad in others. Chest/shoulder workout. Strength increased but not by much. The pump I got was debilitating. My deltoids felt like they were going to rupture the muscle fascia or something. They just burned and ached and made it hard to keep going. Also i'm very, very tight and inflexible. Was hard to reach over and grab my seatbelt in the car. Stuff like that.
 
yeah prami takes care of alot of tren sides. its like thee perfect thing to stack with tren
 
UnrealMachine said:
would anyone think less of me if i were to use PP 1T to bridge the gap between the two oral phases? Just an idea that crossed my mind.

further updates: taking liver juice 1000mg milk thistle ed, taking hawthorn berry 1.1g ed.
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was this a joke big man? has to be, comin from a guy that barely gets anything outta HIGH DOSED test, lol..

do you think pp's 1t would really be enuf for a test base between orals?

i've never even looked into that.
 
i know this very sucesfull BB who neevr touched test in his life even now at age 54. he looks like he is 30 and his body is like surge nubret only bigger arms and very vascualr/ ripped like zane. IMPRESSIVE. he dose nto belive in synthetic TEST. he sai ur body has testosterone no point in takin synthetic, there is better stuff to take instead... he made also a few good points but he is also very old school in some subjects
 
HumpTheCook said:
hey bro i asked a similar question about cruising with any OTC test products to bridge two cycles... this was your rsponse:



see that weed isnt all good lol
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Haha. Yeah I go through cycle brainstorming 24/7, I like to think i have a section of my brain dedicated to it, when I get high I'll space out on cycle planning forever.

It would be so awesome for me to run some tren ace during that period but I just know I'm going to get gyno from it. I'm already dealing with gyno from this low dose of test, taking letro to deal with it. I don't want invincible tren gyno to ruin my otherwise smooth cycle.

As for the 1T, yeah I've since thought better of using it. I want to 100% let my liver recover so no oral compounds whatsoever

BarbellBeast said:
was this a joke big man? has to be, comin from a guy that barely gets anything outta HIGH DOSED test, lol..

do you think pp's 1t would really be enuf for a test base between orals?

i've never even looked into that.
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Yeah in hindsight, the 1T would probably be very weak anyway. I was just thinking however weak it may be, it's going to be stronger than test. Test is just weaksauce for me. And even on this low dose i'm getting estrogen gyno. I'm starting to rethink the idea of using a test base and maybe just NOT using test at all in the future. I like the libido aspect and that's about it. I don't like the gyno, i don't like the acne, and I don't make any gains off it. At the very least, I'm using it to get around a PCT, that's good enough for me.

Jasen said:
i know this very sucesfull BB who neevr touched test in his life even now at age 54. he looks like he is 30 and his body is like surge nubret only bigger arms and very vascualr/ ripped like zane. IMPRESSIVE. he dose nto belive in synthetic TEST. he sai ur body has testosterone no point in takin synthetic, there is better stuff to take instead... he made also a few good points but he is also very old school in some subjects
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no point in taking synthetic test because you already have test, that's effing retarded
 
yo bro hows that 30mg treatin ya??? the sweet spot huh???

there's a log of a 5 week run of methyl s ramped up to 30 lol check it out
 
invincible tren gyno hahahaha.

im tellin u unreal, tren gyno BLOWS, but 2 weeks after ur off its completely gone.


tren is calling ur name......
 
On one hand, i'm almost 240 pounds, I look monstrous, and my strength is pretty damn good.

On the other hand, I've been getting so pumped that I've had to do less volume, just because my muscles are aching from the pump.
 
lot of devils advocates on this board...lol
 
Tren is king... it just started kicking in the past few days for me....crazy vascularity.....crazy pumps....only sides are acne, aggression, nightsweats, mild anxiety sometimes. not bad at all....I say RUN IT. if i could do my cycle over i would have run the 4 vials of ace i have sitting in my room instead of this enth...oh well. just get prami for the gyno. you won't be sorry... tren is king (btw i'm adding prop to my cycle)
 
next cycle I do, Tren is going in. Dunno when the hell it's going to be, but next time I cycle up i'm going to blow a boatload of money on injectables, run copious amounts of SD and PP at various points, and make it a cycle to remember.
 
how many times have you had bloodwork unreal?? or do you just wing it? lol
 
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