Herbal Test Boosters = Waste of $$

I'm going to go out on a limb on this one. I'm pretty sure that most people would benefit more from an herbal GDA than an herbal test booster when it comes to muscular gains.
 
I've tried a lot of herbal stuff. Based on my experience, this is what I learned:

1) Only few potent herbs work
2) Only work if taken on an empty stomach
3) Only work for a few weeks (need to be cycled)

Herbs that work for me:

1) LJ100 (40% glycosaponins and 22% eurypeptides)
2) Macuna pruriens (40% L-Dopa)
3) Tribulus (40% Protodioscin and 90% Furostanol Saponins)
4) Testofen
 
There is more to building muscle mass than just increasing testosterone. Most test boosters do just that (boost test), some better than others. The only way to gain size from a test booster is from the increase in strength they can provide. This is a long arduous process for which few have the patience to endure and bail long before they see results. Moreover, test booters loose efficacy quickly unless they are cycled regularly making the process even more difficult. Androgens must be activated via enzymes to see results akin to steroids. Without enzymes nothing worthwhile happens, they are the cataylsts for all activity in the body. As we age the body produces fewer enzymes making gains even more difficult. Products like those from PP rely on enzymes for conversion to androgens. Unfortunately as an older bodybuilder I have not had very much success with PP's androgenic products.
 
pembroke3355 said:
We did have a user who had bloodwork done after TestoPRO and his free test nearly doubled. You can PM thebigt if you want to ask him about it there is also a log he did on it. There are also human studies proving Testofen increases free test in men.
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im on testopro and stoked and i am loving it, but isnt the bigt also on TRT
 
andrew732 nothing wrong with being frank but are you telling me that people are running Testopro and Prime because they just want more vitality? Maybe i am not educated enough on this stuff but when I try T boosters I am looking for a strength or metabolism increase.
 
There's bloodwork on activite xtreme and formadrol. So there, the premise of the OP is definitively disproven.

Glad we got that cleared up. :rolleyes:

Primal Male put mass on me, no question, though I can't tell you through what mechanism.
 
triton185 said:
Does anybody out here honestly believe that test boosters with longjack, tribulus, horney goat weed and maca actually increase test levels?

I am serious, I have spent a lot of money on supplements with these ingredients and my blood work shows NO increase in testosterone. My test levels actually went down during the period that I have been taking these supplements. My test levels were lower the other day than they were 8 months ago right after I ended an Epi cycle!

Anyway, these supplements might make you feel a little different but that is it!

I think I will spend my money other places in the future.

And, before any of you reps answer this message, show me some proof before you start pitching your product.
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I can`t say for sure if it increases test,but Maca significantly increases my libido and gives me some good body recomp results.
As far as the others you listed,never had any success with them.
 
poison said:
There's bloodwork on activite xtreme and formadrol. So there, the premise of the OP is definitively disproven.

Glad we got that cleared up. :rolleyes:

Primal Male put mass on me, no question, though I can't tell you through what mechanism.
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Are those products herb based? I know there natural, but I think the OP was referring to things that come from herbs.
 
Fadogia Agrestis SE
(alkaloids, saponins, anthraquinones, and flavonoids)
250 mg ** 1500 mg **
Eucommia ulmoides (standardized for full spectrum of triterpenoids and phytolipids) 200 mg ** 1200 mg **
Epimedium species [E. sagittatum, E. grandiflorum, E. brevicornum] (standardized to 20 % Icariin) 75 mg ** 450 mg **
Indole 3 Carbinol (I3C) 50 mg ** 300 mg **
Zinc (from Zinc Orotate) 5 mg ** 30 mg **
Copper Orotate 0.5 mg ** 3 mg **
Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxine HCl) 1.6666666666666667 mg ** 10 mg
 
People underestimate the cummulative power of natural herbs and substanes when combined with a strict diet and serious training.

no natural supplement is gona pack on major mass, but they can all make the journey more enjoyable(better mood, better recovery, strength boost, etc)
 
poison said:
Fadogia Agrestis SE
(alkaloids, saponins, anthraquinones, and flavonoids)
250 mg ** 1500 mg **
Eucommia ulmoides (standardized for full spectrum of triterpenoids and phytolipids) 200 mg ** 1200 mg **
Epimedium species [E. sagittatum, E. grandiflorum, E. brevicornum] (standardized to 20 % Icariin) 75 mg ** 450 mg **
Indole 3 Carbinol (I3C) 50 mg ** 300 mg **
Zinc (from Zinc Orotate) 5 mg ** 30 mg **
Copper Orotate 0.5 mg ** 3 mg **
Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxine HCl) 1.6666666666666667 mg ** 10 mg
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Good deal! So those two weird sounding ingredients in the AI complex of Formadrol are just weird names for plant stuff?
 
Dude, I believe that actual experience from reputable users on this site is worth while evidence. You need to come off your high horse, and realize these guys are trying to help you, and not hurt you. If you want science go to the library, or a college lab. This is where its at. Real world experience, and use of these products. Now, I have had good experience with ZMA, and fenugreek. Vitrix is good, and several others. Do the work, and read the articles.
 
kingdong said:
Good deal! So those two weird sounding ingredients in the AI complex of Formadrol are just weird names for plant stuff?
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Who cares? Here's Activite Xtreme:

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Zinc (from Zinc Aspartate) 5 mg 33.5% 10 mg 67%

Proprietary Blend:

Divanil™ [95% 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran from Urtica Dioica], Icarrin (Standardized 20% Extract Of Epimedium), Rhodiola Rosea (3% Rosavins), Proanthocyanidins (Proprietary Pine Bark Extract), Indole-3-Carbinol (I3C), Basella Alba PE (10:1), Zinc Aspartate
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I haven't read all the posts in here, but there is blood work around for quite a few herbals showing they work. We have proven bloodwork on our site for Free Test, Hghup, etc.

Not to mention tons of people who love them.
 
chocolatemilk said:
I'd listen to cooky... he has 51868 rep power with only 291 posts... Wtfffff lol
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Hey, chocolate, I dont talk much, but I use my words wisely. I am in the military, and preparing for a bodybuilding contest. I dont have all the time in the world. What can I say. I wish I had a name like chocolate milk. Its a great post workout. Studies have been done to prove it.
 
Cooky32 said:
Hey, chocolate, I dont talk much, but I use my words wisely. I am in the military, and preparing for a bodybuilding contest. I dont have all the time in the world. What can I say. I wish I had a name like chocolate milk. Its a great post workout. Studies have been done to prove it.
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Wow you know why my name is chocolate milk. You're the first one to mention it. Wouldn't have that name if I didn't have chocolate milk post workout EVERY workout. I will gladly add to your reps for that sir. Thank you for serving.
 
only good for libido in my experience.not much for working out.aggression might be the cause of being angry for having the side effects of testosterone but without the muscle building benefits.
 
BBB said:
I have been using Testopro for about three weeks (4 tabs/day). I haven't gained any size despite a significant increase in appetite. This is most likely from the fact that fenugreek lowers blood glucose levels and the body is trying to compensate. Moreover, I read that fenugreek can also lower T3 levels. Maybe this is why I feel fatigued much of the time. Strength levels are up slightly but nothing significant. On the positive side, I get morning wood nearly every day. I have two bottles and will continue the cycle to see if anything changes. I have read the Genucor studies with some skepticism since these are "in-house" studies. Moreover, they didn't measure estrogen values. Some say that testofen is more of a phytoestrogen than a phytotestosterone. I can't say for sure so I thought I would give it a try and see what transpires.
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You gotta be careful with fenugreek. Make sure you keep your carbs up cause the lowered blood sugar effect will leave you fatigued and weak. Insulin is very anabolic. So if your decreasing your insulin levels is the "possible" increases in test worth it? I don't think so. It's up to you to judge though. Just giving you something to think about. I think fenugreek has more use in the diabetic community.
 
Flaw said:
You gotta be careful with fenugreek. Make sure you keep your carbs up cause the lowered blood sugar effect will leave you fatigued and weak. Insulin is very anabolic. So if your decreasing your insulin levels is the "possible" increases in test worth it? I don't think so. It's up to you to judge though. Just giving you something to think about. I think fenugreek has more use in the diabetic community.
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Taking the whole Fenugreek herb that hasnt been isolated for anything is different than taking a supplement with an isolated part of Fenugreek.

For example, you can get 4-HI from Fenugreek or you can get the testosterone boosting fenuside (aka Testofen).

TestoPRO contains the testosterone supporting fenuside.
 
Wow. What a train wreck.

I'm starting to see a pattern developing here on AM. Seems many users are developing quite the attitude. Instead of replying with insults or the famous "search the damn board" comments, how about trying to help the person with the questions? If that is too difficult, click the back button and move on.

OP - I haven't had much success with test boosters either, except for the original DS Activate and Sustain Alpha. No blood work, just describing how I felt is all.
 
kingdong said:
The only reason I mentioned Formadrol was because you mentioned it when you were sticking up for herbal test boosters. Otherwise, I don't plan to take it, and I don't care.
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I don't plan on taking Formadrol either. Regardless, this thread has been irrefutably proven wrong: there are test boosters that do work, as proven by bloodwork.

The end. Otherwise, it was a nice story, bro. I don't know why this thread is still alive.
 
poison said:
The end. Otherwise, it was a nice story, bro. I don't know why this thread is still alive.
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I know when I start a thread and ask a question, even after I get my answer, i don't mind if people elaborate. In fact, I enjoy it, so I guess that's why the thread is still alive. :)
 
The_Reverend said:
Wow. What a train wreck.

I'm starting to see a pattern developing here on AM. Seems many users are developing quite the attitude. Instead of replying with insults or the famous "search the damn board" comments, how about trying to help the person with the questions? If that is too difficult, click the back button and move on.

OP - I haven't had much success with test boosters either, except for the original DS Activate and Sustain Alpha. No blood work, just describing how I felt is all.
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I am pretty sure if you reread the thread, people were giving their thoughts, even after his original post said flat out they do not work. Then the sarcastic condescending attitude set in from the OP. Most people do not care to help people that do not want help.
 
DAdams91982 said:
I am pretty sure if you reread the thread, people were giving their thoughts, even after his original post said flat out they do not work. Then the sarcastic condescending attitude set in from the OP. Most people do not care to help people that do not want help.
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Go back and read the thread. Nothing sarcastic until people started posting stuff like horney goat weed and long jack gave me gyno. But whatever.........
 
UNCnate said:
Taking the whole Fenugreek herb that hasnt been isolated for anything is different than taking a supplement with an isolated part of Fenugreek.

For example, you can get 4-HI from Fenugreek or you can get the testosterone boosting fenuside (aka Testofen).

TestoPRO contains the testosterone supporting fenuside.
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I see what your saying but even testopro doesn't contain 100% fenuside correct? From what we know of fenugreek is it has multiple compounds that contribute to lowering blood sugar levels. From BBB's side effects it's Possible some of those compounds that have been left over may be lowering his blood sugar.
 
Just an update, been taking phyto test for a week now, libido is up, increased acne, no real aggression. Improved recovery but also stacking with dermacrine currently.
 
wontstop985 said:
DTH makes me feel like an animal inside the gym and out. If it isn't raising my test levels, I really wouldn't even be concerned.
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Indeed. Skin bursting pumps wasn't the only thing I enjoyed. Skin bursting erections and mouth filling loads were also a nice side :bigok:

Her - :32:
Me - :veryhappy:
 
just got a bottle of formadrol-ex my first shot with a t-booster herbal or otherwise. ill try to give some feedback over the next couple of weeks to add my 2 cents to the debate. just took the first dose this afternoon will go on a regular 1am/2pm unless someone has a suggestion with some experience to back it up.
 
What really works as a natural test booster and has been proven are SERMS.
NOLVA and CLOMID. Testofen and longjack, horny goat weed, and tribulus are all a waste of money plus a serm only cost like 30$ and it works
 
fmfws185 said:
What really works as a natural test booster and has been proven are SERMS.
NOLVA and CLOMID. Testofen and longjack, horny goat weed, and tribulus are all a waste of money plus a serm only cost like 30$ and it works
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I doubt anyone counts a SERM as a natty test booster and you get all sorts of lovely side effects from them as well.
 
Rodja said:
I doubt anyone counts a SERM as a natty test booster and you get all sorts of lovely side effects from them as well.
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Beat me to it. SERMs are estrogen modulators that have a secondary impact on LH. Problem is they also raise SBHG at the same time, so elevated testosterone above base is pretty useless. It is all a play on homeostasis, pretty much eliminating SERMs as a "Test Booster". Clomid will spike your LH and give you some fatty loads, but you will also cry like a little bitch.
 
Normalizing estrogen = good
Taking a SERM to drastically lower estrogen = Very bad IMO.

You need estrogen just as much as you need test, find the perfect balance and your good to go, an irregularity for a long progressive time could have problems in the long run.....I remember reading an article linking low estrogen to Parkinsons and other neurological diseases as well as cardiovascular problems as well *don't quote me*
 
ryanp81 said:
Normalizing estrogen = good
Taking a SERM to drastically lower estrogen = Very bad IMO.

You need estrogen just as much as you need test, find the perfect balance and your good to go, an irregularity for a long progressive time could have problems in the long run.....I remember reading an article linking low estrogen to Parkinsons and other neurological diseases as well as cardiovascular problems as well *don't quote me*
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SERMs don't lower estrogen...
 
ryanp81 said:
Normalizing estrogen = good
Taking a SERM to drastically lower estrogen = Very bad IMO.

You need estrogen just as much as you need test, find the perfect balance and your good to go, an irregularity for a long progressive time could have problems in the long run.....I remember reading an article linking low estrogen to Parkinsons and other neurological diseases as well as cardiovascular problems as well *don't quote me*
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Even if serms did lower estrogen, which they regulate it, for the time that most "bodybuilders" are using them, the risk is minimal to what you are referring.
 
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