Ergopharm TestForce VS Primordials TCF-1

reptone said:
Guess I got the last of the old version and you got the first of the new. Story of my life.
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You are certainly not at a disadvantage. You got four of the previous version, exactly the same as two of the current, for the price of two of the current! Exactly the same value!
 
reptone said:
Guess I got the last of the old version and you got the first of the new. Story of my life.
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I got the old BOGO sale, I just found out about the new bottle too. Anyways, its the same formula and the BOGO means you get 2 syringes. In a way its better with the old special for the extrqa syringe.
 
seunim said:
No worries. I'm a big fan of PP's products as well. Matter of fact, I decided to try a bottle of the TCF-1 so I started last evening. I swear I had an erection half of the night. Let's see how 12 days goes.:fing02:
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I'm saying its a bad thing about the erections but my girlfriend has passed out drunk 3 nights in a row now, fml. I was at the grocery store today and some old lady bumped into me and I was half chubby, I think she liked it. But seriously I am loving the libido boost it makes you feel like superman.
 
HATEFULone said:
I'm saying its a bad thing about the erections but my girlfriend has passed out drunk 3 nights in a row now, fml. I was at the grocery store today and some old lady bumped into me and I was half chubby, I think she liked it. But seriously I am loving the libido boost it makes you feel like superman.
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Yeah dude, rock hard erections!
 
JN230 said:
Which do you guys feel is the superior D-Aspartic Acid Product?

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I feel TCF-1 from PP is a superior D-Aspartic acid product!
and now its double the amount at same price.

I would go with that and stack it with pp's sustain alpha and t-911 from lg.

:-)
 
RAHHH said:
I feel TCF-1 from PP is a superior D-Aspartic acid product!
and now its double the amount at same price.

I would go with that and stack it with pp's sustain alpha and t-911 from lg.

:-)
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TCF-1, Sustain Alpha and T-911. :yikes:

You'd be one big walking hard-on with that stack.
 
seunim said:
TCF-1, Sustain Alpha and T-911. :yikes:

You'd be one big walking hard-on with that stack.
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MMM...stacking Sustain Alpha and T-911 would be pointless really. You be better off with one or the other...both have T-Rez and 7,8 benzo. So in essence, you would be going overboard on the ingredients. Both work pretty well too. However, my personal choice between the two is the original topical Sustain Alpha....Transdermals F*cking rock!!!! :D

Additionally...you would be surprised at what just plain old olive oil or coconut oil can do for you in regard to boosting your libido. ;)

Cheers!:cheers:

-Sean-
 
TCF-1 gets my money, because they use the exact same form of the amino acid that was used in the original study which is sodium D-aspartate(TCF-1).

TestForce uses (D-aspartate calcium chelate), which is not the same thing used in the study.
 
I think it is funny that everyone has so much respect for PP knowing that they were charging literally double what was needed. Nice to know that they can decrease the cost by 50% and still keep a nice profit margin. Seems they were really concerned about being fair to their consumers before competition came out.

Seems a bit like price gouging....but that's just my .02!
 
Feel The Burn said:
I think it is funny that everyone has so much respect for PP knowing that they were charging literally double what was needed. Nice to know that they can decrease the cost by 50% and still keep a nice profit margin. Seems they were really concerned about being fair to their consumers before competition came out.

Seems a bit like price gouging....but that's just my .02!
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As I posted in our TCF-1 thread.

We were actually able to drastically cut our cost with our supplier by purchasing larger quantities. We then streamlined production and cut production time by a third, decreasing labor costs.

Plenty of people were purchasing the product at the full price, but we decided to pass the savings on to our loyal customers. I'm sorry if this makes you feel that we were trying to screw you from the beginning, apparently lowering prices doesn't make everyone happy.


Edit: Very strong first post, coming in and accusing a board sponsor of price gouging. Your only other post is in another testforce thread mentioning when the product will be shipped. So it's fair for me to assume that you are an E-pharm rep, go ahead and toss it in your sig so this is obvious to everyone.
 
Jimbo15 said:
As I posted in our TCF-1 thread.

We were actually able to drastically cut our cost with our supplier by purchasing larger quantities. We then streamlined production and cut production time by a third, decreasing labor costs.

Plenty of people were purchasing the product at the full price, but we decided to pass the savings on to our loyal customers. I'm sorry if this makes you feel that we were trying to screw you from the beginning, apparently lowering prices doesn't make everyone happy.
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Jim lives to see customers smile :) Fact.
 
Jimbo15 said:
Edit: Very strong first post, coming in and accusing a board sponsor of price gouging. Your only other post is in another testforce thread mentioning when the product will be shipped. So it's fair for me to assume that you are an E-pharm rep, go ahead and toss it in your sig so this is obvious to everyone.
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LOL, Owned. :chairshot:
 
Feel The Burn said:
I think it is funny that everyone has so much respect for PP knowing that they were charging literally double what was needed. Nice to know that they can decrease the cost by 50% and still keep a nice profit margin. Seems they were really concerned about being fair to their consumers before competition came out.

Seems a bit like price gouging....but that's just my .02!
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Wow - Strong second post. Could your agenda here be any more obvious?

Enjoy the red! ;)
 
i like PP version. tastes great and its better dosed. and you can take the dose with you and cap it
 
Once again, economics 101
 
Burned... ok was that too lame of a pun, well who cares. I bought the tcf-1 at the bogo, so I got it for the same price as the new one. I think the original size and price only lasted a week or so. Is there any blood work on testforce? TCF-1? Or maybe we could just measure testicular mass pre and post use, anyone interested?
 
HATEFULone said:
Burned... ok was that too lame of a pun, well who cares. I bought the tcf-1 at the bogo, so I got it for the same price as the new one. I think the original size and price only lasted a week or so. Is there any blood work on testforce? TCF-1? Or maybe we could just measure testicular mass pre and post use, anyone interested?
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I'm not sure anyone wants to know how big your balls are....


We are working on having some guys get blood work done.
 
Jimbo15 said:
I'm not sure anyone wants to know how big your balls are....


We are working on having some guys get blood work done.
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I got one thats the size of a grapefruit? that coo?:food:
 
Feel The Burn said:
I think it is funny that everyone has so much respect for PP knowing that they were charging literally double what was needed. Nice to know that they can decrease the cost by 50% and still keep a nice profit margin. Seems they were really concerned about being fair to their consumers before competition came out.

Seems a bit like price gouging....but that's just my .02!
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giantbrandon said:
wonder what would happen if you ran both
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Did you ever see the episode of the x-files where they are trapped in Alaska or somewhere and the worm things go in peoples brains and they try to kill each other, something like that.

Honestly most likely some diarrhea.
 
HATEFULone said:
Did you ever see the episode of the x-files where they are trapped in Alaska or somewhere and the worm things go in peoples brains and they try to kill each other, something like that.

Honestly most likely some diarrhea.
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Are the runs I'm getting because I'm dosing TCF1 3 times per day?
 
I really don't understand why everyone is saying "Yeah I think I'll go with PP, they just look better...oh and they have purple grape awesomeness which is why I'm going to choose them!" I have absolutely nothing against PP but I just don't think its very logical to buy a product based mostly on taste. Sh*t, if your really that stuck on "grape" all you have to do is go out and buy some xanthan gum, grape flavor, mix it all together with bulk D-AA or TestForce and suck it up with an oral syringe, bam DAA-1!
 
DaRunz

Guys I was having the runs when I was taking the bulk powder from Nutraplanet. Also was having some major BLOATING. I mean I felt like these guys,

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I had been taking the product for about 2 months straight though. It does work great though. Definite increase in strength and energy. I want to get back on it, but running to the bathroom as much as I did its just not worth it.

I think I may try Testforce since it is supposedly easier on the stomach.
 
T-Bone said:
Guys I was having the runs when I was taking the bulk powder from Nutraplanet. Also was having some major BLOATING. I mean I felt like these guys,

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I had been taking the product for about 2 months straight though. It does work great though. Definite increase in strength and energy. I want to get back on it, but running to the bathroom as much as I did its just not worth it.

I think I may try Testforce since it is supposedly easier on the stomach.
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what about libido ? did it increase?
 
Imeniaan said:
what about libido ? did it increase?
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I'm using tcf-1 currently. Libido is through the roof, getting me in trouble with the gf actually. Also I get a boost of energy after taking it and have been getting a flare up of acne on the back, currently on day 9. Nearest effect I got acne wise was from testing hyperdrol x2 back in the day.
 
HATEFULone said:
I'm using tcf-1 currently. Libido is through the roof, getting me in trouble with the gf actually. Also I get a boost of energy after taking it and have been getting a flare up of acne on the back, currently on day 9. Nearest effect I got acne wise was from testing hyperdrol x2 back in the day.
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lol, back in the day, lol

I still havent run that stuff yet. Is HX2 good stuff?

I have a few bottles stashed, I hear the MFX with the HX2 is a good run.

Ergo vs PP.........

man thats a tough one for me. I love both companies alot.
 
That was 3 years ago now lol, the first run tests I was a part of. As for ergo vs pp, two solid companies. Just saw this though, might sway people towards tcf-1, big summer sale on pp's site right now... Invalid Link Removed
 
Kristofer68SS said:
lol, back in the day, lol

I still havent run that stuff yet. Is HX2 good stuff?

I have a few bottles stashed, I hear the MFX with the HX2 is a good run.

Ergo vs PP.........

man thats a tough one for me. I love both companies alot.
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I agree about both being quality companies. I was having a similar discussion on the PP boards and for the most part the moderators were respectful of TestForce and Patrick Arnold.
 
seunim said:
I agree about both being quality companies. I was having a similar discussion on the PP boards and for the most part the moderators were respectful of TestForce and Patrick Arnold.
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As a company, we do not ridicule or speak badly of our competitors. Our focus is putting out products that let the science, research, results, and feedback speak for itself.

PA is a smart guy. I've met him and certainly have respect for what he's done within the industry over the years.

-John
 
Trauma1 said:
As a company, we do not ridicule or speak badly of our competitors. Our focus is putting out products that let the science, research, results, and feedback speak for itself.

PA is a smart guy. I've met him and certainly have respect for what he's done within the industry over the years.

-John
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It's good to see this type of professionalism and respect among competitiors on the boards. Both Eric and Pat are top notch guys with quality products in my opinion.

-Bill
 
Why are some people choosing one over the other because of taste?Okay I would understand price but not taste.

Im gonna go with Testforce because its PA's product and I trust him.Dont have any experience with Primordials products.
 
dacookie said:
Why are some people choosing one over the other because of taste?Okay I would understand price but not taste.

Im gonna go with Testforce because its PA's product and I trust him.Dont have any experience with Primordials products.
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I would easily understand the taste argument. One is a flavorless powder and more difficult to work with, requires a liquid to drink.

The other is already in a liquid, and has a flavor. Throw it in a gym bag and its with you when you need it, as opposed to grabbing a cup, some sort of juice (I doubt you want to drink it in water), and having to mix it on the fly.
 
HereToStudy said:
I would easily understand the taste argument. One is a flavorless powder and more difficult to work with, requires a liquid to drink.

The other is already in a liquid, and has a flavor. Throw it in a gym bag and its with you when you need it, as opposed to grabbing a cup, some sort of juice (I doubt you want to drink it in water), and having to mix it on the fly.
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Who says its better/you have to take it at the gym?One claims it is more soluble and easyier on the stomach.The other has a flavour and is a liquid and is cheaper.
 
dacookie said:
Who says its better/you have to take it at the gym?One claims it is more soluble and easyier on the stomach.The other has a flavour and is a liquid and is cheaper.
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Where was it shown to be more soluble? I assume this is based on being D-Aspartate Calcium Chelate. If it allows it to be more soluble thats good, but.... The study used sodium D-aspartate. Sure the D-Aspartate is what we are looking for, but if a human study used a specific product, why assume that a varied version works just as well. I am not saying it doesn't, merely that an assumption isnt always best.

Before I continue I will note that I think both are good products.

I am not saying at the gym necessarily, but there are numerous people like me who it makes sense to dose things while at work, and the convenience of being able to quickly draw and take it is awesome. I can even just carry the capped syringe.

As for flavor, why not have something that tastes good?

Cheaper is always nice....
 
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