Peptopro for daily shakes too much?

[JN230]

hey guys im considering sapping my whey isolate for peptopro, costs aside and keep in mind that pepto is about 2-3X more effective so dosages will be lower

i usually do 3 shakes a day 50g whey each time,

i woudl swap that for 22g peptopro shakes 3 times a day.....

any reason this is a bad idea?

 

[JN230]

??????

 

[poison]

There's no point in using anything beyond a good whey concentrate, or a whey casein blend. Keep in mind that the ultra pure isolates and hydrolysates are missing microfractions present in concentrate, and speedy absorbtion is not the holy grail of protein supplementation for most purposes. And that's without factoring in cost.

I'll take my Dymatize Elite Gourmet protein, thanks.

 

[rochabp]

lol
by the tittle o thought protein gave you shakes, i thought it would be very interesting.
anyways.
thats actually a good idea plus you dont need 50g of protein 3x a day from shakes most protein should come from food

 

[rochabp]

There's no point in using anything beyond a good whey concentrate, or a whey casein blend. Keep in mind that the ultra pure isolates and hydrolysates are missing microfractions present in concentrate, and speedy absorbtion is not the holy grail of protein supplementation for most purposes. And that's without factoring in cost.

I'll take my Dymatize Elite Gourmet protein, thanks.

tru plus concentrate i believe contains IGF-1

 

[JN230]

benefit i see is that my kidneys will love me because of it

 

[poison]

I'm pretty sure your kidneys won't care either way.

 

[fightbackhxc]

I have been taking the new Maximum Absorbed Protein like that.

 

[JN230]

whats ur results and differences fightback??

 

[tnubs]

ur missing the point of supplementing protein. people grow best off of food, because the protein in it digests more slowly and the absorption can be slowed down and the amino acid level in the blood is more steady and thus the muscles can utilize it all day when they need to. when u supplement with something thats going to peak really quick and then, when its not used it gets wasted... theres the problem. u need a slower digesting protein. when do u take the 50g shakes in relation to when u eat? if u dont eat for 3 hours after, then just stick with whey. if ur eating an hour after, u might be equally well off taking less protein powder and getting more protein from ur diet.

 

[JN230]

shkes are part of my diet, meal 1 3 and 4 are usually shakes or 1, 2 and 4 i try ot make my last meal of the day whole and one in the middle for the slow release aspect...

i had been told that although the pepto is taken up quick the aminos are actually disperesed slowly over hours.....

 

[rochabp]

ur missing the point of supplementing protein. people grow best off of food, because the protein in it digests more slowly and the absorption can be slowed down and the amino acid level in the blood is more steady and thus the muscles can utilize it all day when they need to. when u supplement with something thats going to peak really quick and then, when its not used it gets wasted... theres the problem. u need a slower digesting protein. when do u take the 50g shakes in relation to when u eat? if u dont eat for 3 hours after, then just stick with whey. if ur eating an hour after, u might be equally well off taking less protein powder and getting more protein from ur diet.

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[BossHauss]

It seems like protein supplements like MAP are best for PWO. Anybody agree?

 

[rochabp]

It seems like protein supplements like MAP are best for PWO. Anybody agree?

i disagree, MAP is from muscletech so naturally im assuming it has a million ingredients, its overpriced and will give nothing but crappy results

 

[Killerkanadia]

i disagree, MAP is from muscletech so naturally im assuming it has a million ingredients, its overpriced and will give nothing but crappy results

 

[rochabp]

oh
lol i thought we were talking about the company MAP
lol
i take it back i never posted that

 

[andrew732]

There's no point in using anything beyond a good whey concentrate, or a whey casein blend. Keep in mind that the ultra pure isolates and hydrolysates are missing microfractions present in concentrate, and speedy absorbtion is not the holy grail of protein supplementation for most purposes. And that's without factoring in cost.

I'll take my Dymatize Elite Gourmet protein, thanks.

Keep in mind, certain peptides are cancerous (casein), hydrolyzed whey was shown to be ANTI-cancerous, I will stick with my hydro whey.

 

[poison]

Tnubs is 100% right. I'll take his thoughts and apply them to the notion of this thread:

Let's say you have a 22gr serving of peptopro, a 50gr serving of whey concentrate, and a 300gr steak with 180gr protein. Which will affect the kidneys the most? At first glance the obvious answer is the peptopro, as it's a far lower amount of protein. But if you take rate of digestion and absorbtion, it paints a far different picture. Peptopro is as close to instant absorbtion as protein gets, and iirc it bypasses digestion. So your kidneys get a quick hit of a relative large amount of aminos. 50gr of whey takes an hours or two to digest, and there's a somewhat slower trickle of aminos, and the steak could take 6-12 hours to fully digest. Even though the 180gr of beek protein is obviously greater than the 22gr peptopro, the strain ob the kidneys is spread over a far greater amount of time, and there'll never be 22gr hitting in a short period.

I'm not saying peptopro is dangerous or going to cause issues in healthy humans, just trying to point our the absurdity of the premise of the OP, that taking less peptopro is easier on the body than other forms of protein.

And this doesn't at all deal with the actual effectiveness of peptopro. I firmly believe a slow digesting protein is superior to fast in most instances, intra workout and post being the possible exceptions.

 

[poison]

Keep in mind, certain peptides are cancerous (casein), hydrolyzed whey was shown to be ANTI-cancerous, I will stick with my hydro whey.

So people who eat cheese or cottage cheese are doomed? That's all casein is: the component of cheese that comprises the majority of most cheeses. In other news, cooked meats are carcinogenic.

 

[poison]

And I meant to say "which will affect the kidneys the LEAST, not MOST".

 

[andrew732]

So people who eat cheese or cottage cheese are doomed? That's all casein is: the component of cheese that comprises the majority of most cheeses. In other news, cooked meats are carcinogenic.

Not cooked, "charred meat", there is a difference. Also note that is RED meat, yes dairy unless it raw like not pasturized, its not the best for the body. So arguing with me aint going to change the facts that have been documented, sorry to be the burden of the news.

 

[funkd0c]

As far as whey, casein, peptopro, etc. are concerned i feel as though whey and or peptopro is most beneficial intra and post workout as stated by poison. Most protein should come from food unless it's not available.

But, i like a blend of different proteins for my anytime shake. WPI, Egg, and casein. Is this not a good thing? Is it cancerous? I have been drinking this mix when i wake up and before bed for a year and i have had good results. PostWO i use just WPI by itself. Here is a link to the blend i like and find it fairly cost effective.

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[ryanp81]

Use Peptopro pre or post, which it was designed for, you'll get better benefits using this way IMO. MAP by Primordial is pepto and it's the best one I've used, the flavoring is top notch as well as using stevia.

 

[poison]

Not cooked, "charred meat", there is a difference. Also note that is RED meat, yes dairy unless it raw like not pasturized, its not the best for the body. So arguing with me aint going to change the facts that have been documented, sorry to be the burden of the news.

Wrong. It's meat, fowl, and fish, and happens when meats are cooked at high temps, not just charred.

 

[andrew732]

LOL someone is rather catty today, sorry bro ain't in the mood to release some progesterone and estrogen. Anyways I do feel PeptoPro is best used pre and post workout, I will stick with whey isolate and hydrowhey throughout the day. Caesin well, I am not a fan for a couple of reason; to each is his own.

 

[funkd0c]

fftopic:

Wrong. It's meat, fowl, and fish, and happens when meats are cooked at high temps, not just charred.

Hell, I like my cow Raw and bloody as hell. :food:

And Peptopro pre or post with stevia!!! WINNER! :fing02:

 

[poison]

LOL someone is rather catty today, sorry bro ain't in the mood to release some progesterone and estrogen. Anyways I do feel PeptoPro is best used pre and post workout, I will stick with whey isolate and hydrowhey throughout the day. Caesin well, I am not a fan for a couple of reason; to each is his own.

Did you just call me catty, mr bearer of bad news? geez, man, chiil out. I'm 110% sure the minimal percentage of my protein intake I get from my whey?casein blend is 1) less than most people get from cottage cheese or pure casein before bed, and 2) perfectly fine in general, and less carcinogenic than, say, a high cooked meat intake.

I'm very confident that whey is overused, due to money being pumped into marketing. Whey used to be a waste product that was tossed. Now that there's a use for it, and we're willing to pay a massive markup for what was essentially trash, it's very much in the manufacturers interest to continue the trend and keep whey in the top spot with consumers. I've seen studies that show casein/milk protein isolate being a better sounrce of protein.

I believe people way overthink supplements and nutrition. The whole pre-intra-post product fad, the uber mondo hydrolysed pepto bcaa fad...the biggest guys I know take few supplements. They may take creatine...when they remember to. They eat huge, lift heavy, sleep well, and grow. Whole food is ALWAYS superior; the exception, imo, is a pro athlete, say an olympic champion, with the country resting on his shoulders. In his case, he's at the limit of his genetic potential, and a .001% increase brought on by using peptopro may mean a medal. But for the 99% of this board that hasn't even begun to probe the edge of their genetic potential, .001% improvement means nothing.

Yes, I supplement. I work 16 hour days, train judo or weights as much as time allows, and the few supplements I use help me maximise my time, and train harder than I would otherwise. But I know that to reach my genetic limit, I need to stop wqorking 16 hour days, sleep a hell of a lot more, eat more and better, and i'd be a monster. I've done it, once or twice, when life allowed.

that's my rant for the day. :lol: like my powerlifting buddy says, stop thinking, and Smash F*cking Weight! Then go eat a big fat sammich, and take a damn nap. Rinse, repeat. It ain't that complicated.

 

[SilentBob187]

the biggest guys I know take few supplements. They may take creatine...when they remember to. They eat huge, lift heavy, sleep well, and grow. Whole food is ALWAYS superior...

...like my powerlifting buddy says, stop thinking, and Smash F*cking Weight! Then go eat a big fat sammich, and take a damn nap. Rinse, repeat. It ain't that complicated.

a thousand times this!

 

[funkd0c]

a thousand times this!

Yeah, what he said

 

[tnubs]

poison is exactly right. the biggest guys in the gym dont use supplements. they eat food and lift heavy weights.

 

[rochabp]

poison is exactly right. the biggest guys in the gym dont use supplements. they eat food and lift heavy weights.

except jay cutler hes on dat der cell tech

 

[JN230]

u guys always make a mockery of a serious question i swear its a forum tihng,

yes of course food is better, but peopel can only stomach so much, and id like to tax my body as little as possible, and taking a higher efficiency protein which requires less intake overall will do that for my kidneys, i dont need to have renal failure in my 30's because i want to be muscular....

 

[funkd0c]

u guys always make a mockery of a serious question i swear its a forum tihng,

yes of course food is better, but peopel can only stomach so much, and id like to tax my body as little as possible, and taking a higher efficiency protein which requires less intake overall will do that for my kidneys, i dont need to have renal failure in my 30's because i want to be muscular....

All my posts were serious. But it sounds like you already have your mind made up. If that's the case, no one can help you.

 

[JN230]

mind is mae up that i do my shakes, but my mind is totally unclear on whether i should use nutrapro or Maximum absorbed Protein or some other peptopro

 

[rochabp]

mind is mae up that i do my shakes, but my mind is totally unclear on whether i should use nutrapro or Maximum absorbed Protein or some other peptopro

well IDK much about this stuff so im out

 

[poison]

u guys always make a mockery of a serious question i swear its a forum tihng,

yes of course food is better, but peopel can only stomach so much, and id like to tax my body as little as possible, and taking a higher efficiency protein which requires less intake overall will do that for my kidneys, i dont need to have renal failure in my 30's because i want to be muscular....

Did you read my posts?

1) fast absorption is INFERIOR to slow absorption OUTSIDE the following times: before, during, or immediately post-workout.

2) IMO, your assumption that 22gr peptopro is easier on your kidneys is wrong. A slow absorbed protein will trickle aminos, as opposed to a large hit. Which do you think is easier on the body?

 

[JN230]

Did you read my posts?

1) fast absorption is INFERIOR to slow absorption OUTSIDE the following times: before, during, or immediately post-workout.

2) IMO, your assumption that 22gr peptopro is easier on your kidneys is wrong. A slow absorbed protein will trickle aminos, as opposed to a large hit. Which do you think is easier on the body?

but how is having a mass of aminos trickling off your body from a ball of goo, good?

and if the pepto is absorbed fast does that inheritly mean that it is brokendown fast? or is it still casin after all? just not in the stomach as long? i really need input from someone with professional experience and opinion on Peptopro, and possibly a serum blood amino level test for hours after ingestion

 

[tnubs]

but how is having a mass of aminos trickling off your body from a ball of goo, good?

and if the pepto is absorbed fast does that inheritly mean that it is brokendown fast? or is it still casin after all? just not in the stomach as long? i really need input from someone with professional experience and opinion on Peptopro, and possibly a serum blood amino level test for hours after ingestion

too much amino acids in the blood stream at one time means all the excess will be pushed out aka wasted. ur body really cant use that much protein at once. just dont use pepto pro except pre/intra/post workout and use regular whey concentrate at other times. the studies ive seen show whey concentrate can increase the blood concentration for roughly 4 hours. peptopro doesnt have to digest and thus it will be a very immediate rush but the spike will last nowhere near 4 hours. id say under an hour, but i havnt seen any tests on it just theories.

 

[funkd0c]

mind is mae up that i do my shakes, but my mind is totally unclear on whether i should use nutrapro or Maximum absorbed Protein or some other peptopro

Here is a link to pure peptopro, best deal I know of for it. But, I still prefer the Team Skip blend, that I posted a link to earlier, for all day supplementation.

http://www.trueprotein.com/Product_Details.aspx?cid=22&pid=6805

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[poison]

but how is having a mass of aminos trickling off your body from a ball of goo, good?

and if the pepto is absorbed fast does that inheritly mean that it is brokendown fast? or is it still casin after all? just not in the stomach as long? i really need input from someone with professional experience and opinion on Peptopro, and possibly a serum blood amino level test for hours after ingestion

Jesus. A ball of goo? What do you think steak is like in your intestine? It takes far longer to digest than casein, and nearly EVERY bodybuilder recommends eating steak over other sources.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that a slower release is better for everything but during or after a workout? A constant supply is better than intermittent. If instant absorption is your goal, why not live off Peptopro and dextrose? Less strain on your body! Faster absorption!

 

[JN230]

now that jsut doesnt mean **** to me, what do i care what "bodybuilders" eat?

they dont have a degree, they dont know as much as a scientist that has studied proteins, or digestion,

they know how to lift weights, and dont get me wrong tons of bodybuilders are educated people, but its a smal few that understand the processes that the body goes through during digestion,

just because peptopro gets into the bloodstream fast doesnt mean that it isnt there for a long time.... think pharmaceutical drugs man..... they are in your system for a long ass time and they can be oral....

 

[tnubs]

now that jsut doesnt mean **** to me, what do i care what "bodybuilders" eat?

they dont have a degree, they dont know as much as a scientist that has studied proteins, or digestion,

they know how to lift weights, and dont get me wrong tons of bodybuilders are educated people, but its a smal few that understand the processes that the body goes through during digestion,

just because peptopro gets into the bloodstream fast doesnt mean that it isnt there for a long time.... think pharmaceutical drugs man..... they are in your system for a long ass time and they can be oral....

the bodybuilder at my gym has a degree in nuclear medicine. ive never met anyone who knew more about nutrition than him in my life. no joke.

u cant compare amino acid concentrations in blood to a drug. think about their action. for the most part a pharma drug is going to attach itself to a receptor in the body at a specific location and make a hormone/neurotransmitter more abundant or its going to block it/bind to it and disable it.... it basicaly acts like a chemical messenger from the body. on the other hand...the body wants to SURVIVE not supersaturate itself with amino acids in the blood. it can only hold so much solute in the blood and if it just kept adding to the amino acid level in the blood eventually your blood would be too thick to move. u can only hold so much and the rest is inefficiently used as an energy source. so when u spike it... all that excess is going to waste in a way u cannot utilize. the times when ur body can utilize a little more depend on other hormone levels (cortisol, gh, insulin, test...etc) so like after a workout when the chemical messengers tell ur body there is damage and its time to rebuild, it can use more and the rate of protein synthesis will be higher for a short time and then go back just above baseline while it is still repairing.

i hope that made sense. u do not want fast digesting protein all day. ur body wants to be efficient. it does not give a **** about building muscle. it doesnt know that u want to build muscle and lose fat. it just wants to survive and adapt to what stress u put it through. slow digesting makes sure theres no spike and it helps use more of the protein efficiently. the time ur body will be stressed (diet wise) will be when u are making it spike back and forth.

 

[JN230]

i understand that but i wasnt comparing pharmas to aminos in that respect, im saying

certain drugs can clear the digestive track very quickly, but have concentrations in the blood stream for weeks right????


whos to say that even tho peptopro is taken out of the digestive tract quickly that it isnt in your blood stream for a few hrs.......

 

[SilentBob187]

whos to say that even tho peptopro is taken out of the digestive tract quickly that it isnt in your blood stream for a few hrs.......

I am.









(Someone had to :biggthumpup

 

[mDeezy]

There's no point in using anything beyond a good whey concentrate, or a whey casein blend. Keep in mind that the ultra pure isolates and hydrolysates are missing microfractions present in concentrate, and speedy absorbtion is not the holy grail of protein supplementation for most purposes. And that's without factoring in cost.

I'll take my Dymatize Elite Gourmet protein, thanks.

On a side (no hijack intended), what flavor of Dymatize Gourmet do you prefer? It looks like a very nice protein blend and I've never tried it but want to. Thanks.

 

[poison]

i understand that but i wasnt comparing pharmas to aminos in that respect, im saying

certain drugs can clear the digestive track very quickly, but have concentrations in the blood stream for weeks right????


whos to say that even tho peptopro is taken out of the digestive tract quickly that it isnt in your blood stream for a few hrs.......

Jesus on a pogo stick. Seriously. Once a protein is in your blood stream, they're all pretty much the same. The differences are in how long it takes them to get to the blood stream, and what ratios of amino acids they have. But again, once they're in your blood stream, it's all the same (given whole protein sources). A comparison to pharma drugs is ridiculous.

I love it when people ask for advice, get answers, then ignore everything to go with their initial idea. Stop thinking so much, SFW.

 

[poison]

On a side (no hijack intended), what flavor of Dymatize Gourmet do you prefer? It looks like a very nice protein blend and I've never tried it but want to. Thanks.

I like the strawberry best, vanilla is good too, never tried chocolate. I've used 8 tubs so far, of more.

 

[Feel The Burn]

My personal opinion is to use PeptoPro or the Primordial Performance Protein Intra....especially for endurance athletes. I think this, plus some Beta-Alanine, Carbs, Carnitine Blend, maybe some Cordyceps...would be an awesome Endurance Mix.

It is a good option for other times, but IMO the most optimal time would be during your activity. I would prefer a blend post workout, and a blend pre-bed over the above.

 

[tnubs]

i understand that but i wasnt comparing pharmas to aminos in that respect, im saying

certain drugs can clear the digestive track very quickly, but have concentrations in the blood stream for weeks right????


whos to say that even tho peptopro is taken out of the digestive tract quickly that it isnt in your blood stream for a few hrs.......

have u ever taken an anatomy class?
drugs have half lives. amino acids are used for some type of purpose, whether it be energy or rebuilding muscle.

 

[BifWebster]

Noone seems to be able to give you an answer speaking from experience; it would be cool if you try it for a few weeks or a month and then chime in with your real world results on the protocol, as opposed to people arguing over the science behind it.