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THUNDERGOD'S "STICKING" IT TO THE WICKED INJECTABLE CYCLE--Prop/Cyp Combo

thundergod said:
CYCLE DAY 36

5 weeks into this cycle now. Everything is going better than I even anticipated. Up 8lbs. in lean muscle mass.

Strength: Significant increase. Getting stronger from workout to workout. Time to keep adding the weight.
Libido: Very high. Injectable Test is everything I had heard it was in this department. Horn-dog overdrive!!:drive:
Well-Being: Mood has never been better. Confident and assured. Very warrior-dominant. I know that alpha-male gets overused, so I use this term. I like it better anyway.
Appetite: High. I have to keep the reigns pulled tightly on this. I just keep pounding down the protein to satisfy the hunger pangs.
Recovery: Sky-high. Seems almost instantaneous. I can't wait until the next workout to finally roll around. I'm psyched and ready for each and every one.
Stamina: Very high. I didn't expect such endurance from Test. And the pumps are ridiculous. I'm guessing from an increase in RBC or red blood cell count. More blood being forced into the muscles resulting in gi-normous pumps!


No bad sides to report. Unless you consider a little back and shoulder acne a bad thing. I don't mind it. Skin's a little oily as well. Signs of test increases.

I wouldn't change a thing with this cycle. I planned this one out for a very long time.

I hope this whetted your appetite for answers bro. This is one awesome ride!! And it's only half way into the cycle too :fing02:
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Aaaaahhhhh!!! Reading your log is killing me (in a good way)! I'm chomping at the bit to get cranking, brutha mayne. Exactly 4 weeks, 2 days till I start my own sick little combo of prop/mast/xtren/var...woooo hooooooooo!:smite::AR15firing:

Then we'll put that whole igf-1 hyperplasia to the test. See if I can't get those new fibers swole up!
 
Inarius said:
I think you should look into carb cycling. Justin Harris swears by it.... oh yeah and I vote for the carb up.
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I swear by it also. It keeps you sane. My carb cycling usually consists of 5 days of low carbs followed by a 2 day carb re-feed. But I focus on good carbs even on those days.

Volcom, you can eat more fibrous carbs like salad, broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, and celery to fill your stomach while adding only minimal carbs.
 
ThisGuy2 said:
Aaaaahhhhh!!! Reading your log is killing me (in a good way)! I'm chomping at the bit to get cranking, brutha mayne. Exactly 4 weeks, 2 days till I start my own sick little combo of prop/mast/xtren/var...woooo hooooooooo!:smite::AR15firing:

Then we'll put that whole igf-1 hyperplasia to the test. See if I can't get those new fibers swole up!
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I'm excited for you brosenstein. Believe it.



CYCLE PROGRESSION

My cycle is going full bore now. All gear is kicking hard. I only have 1 more week left on the orals and then 4 more weeks of injectables after that. Unless I decide to stretch this out to 12 weeks......which is possible. ha ha I was just planning on 10 weeks but a couple extra weeks will be hard to deny.


I've also decided to up the dosage on my injectables. I was taking 100mg. of Prop 3 times per week and 200mg. of the Cyp. I've now upped the Prop to 150mg. 3 times per week and increased the Cyp up to 300mg. per week.

That's 750mg. of Test per week, and if one takes into consideration the short ester on Prop, it actually equates to a dosage that would equal 850 or 900mg. of either Cypionate or Enanthate alone.

So I'm rocking it!!!:head:
 
thundergod said:
I swear by it also. It keeps you sane. My carb cycling usually consists of 5 days of low carbs followed by a 2 day carb re-feed. But I focus on good carbs even on those days.

Volcom, you can eat more fibrous carbs like salad, broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, and celery to fill your stomach while adding only neglible carbs.
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This is working extremely well for me also
 
thundergod said:
I'm excited for you brosenstein. Believe it.



CYCLE PROGRESSION

My cycle is going full bore now. All gear is kicking hard. I only have 1 more week left on the orals and then 4 more weeks of injectables after that. Unless I decide to stretch this out to 12 weeks......which is possible. ha ha I was just planning on 10 weeks but a couple extra weeks will be hard to deny.


I've also decided to up the dosage on my injectables. I was taking 100mg. of Prop 3 times per week and 200mg. of the Cyp. I've now upped the Prop to 150mg. 3 times per week and increased the Cyp up to 300mg. per week.

That's 750mg. of Test per week, and if one takes into consideration the short ester on Prop, it actually equates to a dosage that would equal 850 or 900mg. of either Cypionate or Enanthate alone.

So I'm rocking it!!!:head:
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incorrect on the assumption of prop equating to that high a dose of cyp or ena. It's measurable, but not by much.

Should be a sick rest of the way. You should have been the main character in clash of the titans. TG fuggin junk up!!
 
Silver3CSRT8 said:
I thought I read that Coconut Oil with drop you out of ketosis. Is that not the case?
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I have not heard that before. However it does not sound possible. This is why but someone can correct me if I am wrong. Ketones come from fats being burned as energy, when you are burning a lot of fat for energy as opposed to carbs you end up with an excess of ketones and they are excreted in the urea. That is where you can measure if you are in ketosis or not. Coconut oil is a fat so therefore when it is being burned preferentially for energy you would actually see more ketones in the urea. Now what it could do if taken nonstop throught the day is be burned preferentially instead of the fat on your body. Yet if used in you pre-workout meal you could see an increase in energy efficiency for your workout similiar as to with carbs but afterwards go on eating higher level of normal harder to digest healthy fats so the body goes to burning it's own fat again.


Also just to make sure you are aware of this, you do not have to be in ketosis for your body to burn fat preferentially over carb throughout your day. You just need to make the shift by not having carbs available as energy for a period then slowly reintorduce them but keep them somehwat limited while keeping healthy fats higher. Even up to 150 maybe even 200 grams a day for bigger individuals wont change that energy axis once it is set in well. A good carb meal post workout can fill the muscle back up with glycogen and the insuline will drop the blood sugar levels low again and your body will feed on fat the rest of the day and only dip into the glycogen stores for the intense anaerobic activities IE... HIIT or lifting weights.
 
Silver, I found this on another site for The Ketosis Diet
"A much more significant variant is the MCT oil diet. MCT stand for medium chain triglycerides, which are a particular type of saturated fat found in coconut oil. MCT oil is one of the wonder ingredients of the nineties, being used by athletes to improve their performance. MCT oil is special because although it is a fat, it metabolises quickly, like carbohydrate. In the typical MCT diet, the proportions will be 35% fat, 35% MCT oil, 20% carbohydrate and 10% protein (a 2.3:1 ratio). Also, the total calorie intake is set at the normal level, rather than three quarters of normal, so the MCT diet is far less rigorous than the classical diet. There does not seem to be any very clear rationale for these variations from the classical diet, except the pragmatic one that it is claimed they work, although this claim is hotly disputed.

And this from a doctor on a low carb forum:
Coconut oil consists of medium chain triglycerides (MCT), and MCTs are used to PROMOTE ketosis. I know people who are resistant to ketosis can use MCTs to help them get into ketosis. Also, it is supposed to increase your body temp and metabolism. This would burn carbs faster (for the energy), so that could also lead to quicker ketosis.

I'm telling you, this stuff is amazing!

I got the following info from this website:
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A much more significant variant is the MCT oil diet. MCT stand for medium chain triglycerides, which are a particular type of saturated fat found in coconut oil. MCT oil is one of the wonder ingredients of the nineties, being used by athletes to improve their performance. MCT oil is special because although it is a fat, it metabolises quickly, like carbohydrate. In the typical MCT diet, the proportions will be 35% fat, 35% MCT oil, 20% carbohydrate and 10% protein (a 2.3:1 ratio). Also, the total calorie intake is set at the normal level, rather than three quarters of normal, so the MCT diet is far less rigorous than the classical diet.

Another website says this:

It is theorized that the ingestion of medium chain triglycerides, because of their rapid absorption and metabolism, provide the athlete with a fuel source that helps to spare the use of muscle glycogen (stored carbohydrate). Because depletion of muscle glycogen is a factor in fatigue, ingestion of MCT oil could provide the body with an immediate source of fat that is rapidly broken down for energy thus muscle glycogen stores are not used up as quickly and the onset of fatigue is delayed. MCTs are also thought to increase metabolic rate. Assuming that diet (calorie intake) and exercise (calorie output) remains the same; any increase in metabolic rate could result in a small, slow loss of body fat. MCTs are thought to be burned immediately for energy rather than being stored as body fat and used for energy at a later time. In theory, MCTs help to maintain muscle mass because they produce ketone bodies which are used for energy before the amino acids in muscle are used for energy.

The usual recommended dose is 1-2 tablespoons per day. Initial dose should be small (i.e., 1/2 tablespoon per day) to make sure there are no gastrointestinal side effects. One tablespoon of MCT oil contains 14 grams; ingestion of 85 grams has been shown to cause cramping and diarrhea in some individuals.


Hope this helps!
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Sam


Dr. Samantha challenge:
Goal by the time I get my M.D. in June
 
GMG760 said:
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Come one, Come all.
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I'm there.

All of you guys reading my log here, need to go sub up to GMG's thread. They're always money!! :yup:
 
MrBigPR said:
incorrect on the assumption of prop equating to that high a dose of cyp or ena. It's measurable, but not by much.

Should be a sick rest of the way. You should have been the main character in clash of the titans. TG fuggin junk up!!
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So you don't agree with this article then I take it.

Testosterone is usually attached to an ester (i.e. when you buy testosterone propionate, the subject of this profile, you are buying testosterone with a propionate ester attached). The ester determines how long it takes your body to dispose of the steroid in question, and propionate is the shortest ester available with a testosterone base (of course, testosterone suspension has no ester). There are enzymes, called esterases, in your body which have the function of removing the ester from steroids, and leaving you with just the steroid molecule with the ester cleaved off. Depending on how heavy the ester chain is, that determines how long it takes the esterase to remove it. And that amount of time determines how long the drug stays active in your body. Great, right? Not really...see, the ester takes up "room" in the injection. Check out this chart:

Chemical = Formula = Molecular Weight = Mg of Testosterone
Testosterone (no ester) = C19 H28 O2 = 288.4mg = 100mg
Propionate = C3 H4 O = 56.1mg = 83.72mg
Cypionate = C8 H4 O = 124.2mg = 69.90mg

Here, we´re comparing Testosterone with no ester (suspension) with Test Propionate and Cypionate (basically the longest vs. shortest esters available with testosterone).

So you see, the longer the ester on the testosterone is, the longer the steroid is active in your body, and the less actual test you get. This is because, for every 100mgs of testosterone cypionate you inject, only 69.90mgs of it is actually testosterone, the rest is the cypionate ester, which must be removed. On the other hand, with the propionate ester you´ll get 83.72mgs of Testosterone! The advantage to longer esters is that they need to be injected less frequently (test prop needs to be injected every other day while you can shoot test cyp once a week). The disadvantage to long estered steroids is that they contain less actual steroid. Anecdotally, however, most people from Steroid.com and other discussion boards who have tried differing esters on their various cycles agree: Testosterone Propionate causes the least side effects and the least bloating. For this reason, it´s often the testosterone of choice in cutting cycles. On a personal note, it´s the only form of testosterone I ever use, and it´s the only one most women will use, due to the previously mentioned factors (as well as it´s ability to clear your body quickly upon cessation in the case of side effects). Testosterone levels when you´re using injectable testosterone propionate begin to decline sharply after the second day of use(5). Obviously this is not the drug of choice for those who are squeamish about injections, you´ll be shooting this stuff every other day at least.
 
Sounds like something off of Steroids (dot) com.

In reality Test E actually has more mg per than cyp, which goes against your assumption of how everything equated out to. When dealing with molecular weight the numbers aren't significant at all to be that big of a difference and can be affected by a bunch of things.

Biggest thing is carbon placement, half life and release. Different choices for diff goals.

Just wanted to let you know and the others who come across this thread (THE WHOLE WORLD). Your logs are full with a BUNCH of knowledge on training, supplementation and your attitude and integrity when running supplements is something that many of the members of this board respect. Many peeps will look at this log when trying to plan their cycle and may be thrown off by the "conversion" of how much of a mg of one ester equates to another the way you described it.
 
Wow, bold large size font. TG just got serious up in here. It's like the voice of Odin booming down from Valhalla.
 
MrBigPR said:
Sounds like something off of Steroids (dot) com.

In reality Test E actually has more mg per than cyp, which goes against your assumption of how everything equated out to. When dealing with molecular weight the numbers aren't significant at all to be that big of a difference and can be affected by a bunch of things.

Biggest thing is carbon placement, half life and release. Different choices for diff goals.

Just wanted to let you know and the others who come across this thread (THE WHOLE WORLD). Your logs are full with a BUNCH of knowledge on training, supplementation and your attitude and integrity when running supplements is something that many of the members of this board respect. Many peeps will look at this log when trying to plan their cycle and may be thrown off by the "conversion" of how much of a mg of one ester equates to another the way you described it.
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First of all, I meant no disrespect to you. I was just trying to illustrate where I got that notion in the first place. I know you can't believe everything you read on steroid sites. They're made up of varying individuals who have varying opinions. We all try to find the specific facts to back up our own assumptions. I try to take everything I read and hear with a grain of salt.

I know that you're very knowledgeable in this particular area. And I admire your ability to articulate your opinions and beliefs.

I certainly never intentionally endeavored to mislead any current or future readers of these logs when I described my (and others) opinions about the esters equating to less or more actual testosterone being delivered.

I have stated emphatically since I joined this board in Oct. 2007, that I don't expect nor intend ANYONE to emulate my cycles. I do what I do. I march to the beat of my own drum. Others must also find their own way.
 
MrBigPR said:
Happy Easter my brother!
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Same to you bro. I hope you have a wonderful day with the family.

After my workout, post-workout meal, and a shower, I'll be heading out to a family dinner. And NO cheating on my diet either!! :nono::lol:


HAPPY EASTER TO EVERYONE AT ANABOLIC MINDS/FORUMS!!!
 
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Full-frontal assault with all-out intensity. Nothing held in reserve anymore. Letting it all hang out!! :drive:

BACK

Regular Pulldowns--100X12, 170X10, DC Rest-Pause: 290X9-5-3=17 total reps. Immediate drop to 210X13. I'm loving these rest-pause sets. It's probably my favorite technique to up the intensity beyond normal muscle failure. And then toss a drop set in on top of it.......sheez!! :stupid:
Wide-Grip Seated Cable Rows--using a long lat bar--140X12, 200X10, triple drop coming up: 330X11>260X12>200X13. This has to be one of my most cherished back exercises. I can really feel my lats working as I stretch far forward at the beginning of each rep.
DB Pullovers--50X12, 75X10, double drop set coming now: 130X11>90X12. Lats were flaring now. The cobra was full of venom!! :twisted:
Pre-Exhaust Action:
Standing Straight Arm Pulldowns--60X12, 140X11, 140X11.
Close-Grip Pulldowns--140X12, 230X12, 230X11. I went from one exercise directly into the next. I hit up a set of the straight-arm pulldowns then went immediately into a set of close-grip pulldowns. Intense stuff here. Lats were on fire!:firedevil:

BICEPS

Machine Preacher Curls--80X12, 120X10, DC Rest-Pause now: 210X10-5-3=18 total reps. And then immediately dropped to 120X15 for some very slow and excruciating reps. Sweet agony. :yell:
Standing Wide-Grip Cable Curls--80X12, 120X10, triple drop set now: 200X11>150X12>100X14. By now my biceps are swollen with a humungous pump. The kind of pump where it's hard to even flex afterwards.
Pre-Exhaust Action:
Bentover One-Arm DB Concentration Curls--40X10, 80X10, 80X10.
Lying Lat Bar Curls To Forehead--80X10, 120X12, 120X12. One exercise straight into the next here also. No rest at all between the 2 moves. Makes for some extreme muscle pumps.

FOREARMS

SuperSet Action:
Seated DB Hammer Curls--35'sX10, 80'sX10, 80'sX9.
Reverse-Grip EZ Bar Cable Curls--70X10, 130X11, 130X10. No rest allowed between these 2 movements. Just gritted my teeth and went for it!! :aargh:

Brutality at its finest. Wicked intensity perpetuated on the sacred field of valor this morning. I would not be denied from attaining my full glory!! :hail::hammer:


BATTLE ON WARRIORS OF THE REALM ETERNAL:swordfight:

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Army Guy said:
man are you a beast!!!
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I gotta give credit where credit is due and pay tribute to where tribute is due.
The Anadraulic State GTSE played a pivotal role in this morning's monumental massacre!!!
:AR15firing: :rocketwhore:

It helped me to dig down deep into the reserves of power. I was able to draw upon the divine eternal forces that lie within. :hail:
 
The ASGTSE is freaking amazing stuff isn't it. I doubt I am gonna be using anything different for the foreseeable future. Only thing that sucks is I doubt my blood pressure is gonna let me use it during my cycle like you can with yours!
 
GMG760 said:
The ASGTSE is freaking amazing stuff isn't it. I doubt I am gonna be using anything different for the foreseeable future. Only thing that sucks is I doubt my blood pressure is gonna let me use it during my cycle like you can with yours!
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ok guess i will break down and get some since everyone is praising it .


sold . now the real quest. to find it at the cheapest price
 
thundergod said:
I gotta give credit where credit is due and pay tribute to where tribute is due.
The Anadraulic State GTSE played a pivotal role in this morning's monumental massacre!!!
:AR15firing: :rocketwhore:

It helped me to dig down deep into the reserves of power. I was able to draw upon the divine eternal forces that lie within. :hail:
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mines on the way and so is something else :drive:

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happy holidays brothers..let the demolishing of summer iron begin!!!
 

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20 Minutes of fat-burning frenzy HIIT style on the glider machine.
330 nonstop reps of ab work consisting of seated machine crunches, leg raises, and kneeling rope crunches.

I was so hot I swear I saw steam rising off my body. ha ha Smokin'!! :zx11pissed:
Very decent sweat achieved and heart rate elevated perfectly for some fat-blasting action!!
Endurance is incredible at this point. Stamina is unreal. I can just keep going and going.

I dosed 1 scoop of Anadraulic State GTSE along with a cup of coffee about 45 minutes before the cardio session. Just to amp things up a bit. :head:

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KgTomCat said:
happy holidays brothers..let the demolishing of summer iron begin!!!
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Jamie Eason gets a rise out of me for sure!!
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For all my brothers in iron.......open.......and enjoy!!! :hump:



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Yeah she is gorgeous! Thunder, I went to a SPLIT HOLY SHIT can you believe it and man I am loving it. The body craves change and the slow reps need more volume than I was giving them before.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah she is gorgeous! Thunder, I went to a SPLIT HOLY SHIT can you believe it and man I am loving it. The body craves change and the slow reps need more volume than I was giving them before.
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What are your doing these days for a split? I just switched back to DC yesterday... it felt amazing! Sore as a mofo today.
 
GMG760 said:
What are your doing these days for a split? I just switched back to DC yesterday... it felt amazing! Sore as a mofo today.
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I put up my new split in my STOKED! log. I don't want to clutter up Thunder's thread with that. I think you might like how I split things out. It is a little different than usual I think.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I put up my new split in my STOKED! log. I don't want to clutter up Thunder's thread with that. I think you might like how I split things out. It is a little different than usual I think.
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:lol: if it's one thing TG likes, it's an uncluttered log.
 
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