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The Strongest Natural Testosterone Booster Available? (Blood Work Included)

sanchezgreg18 said:
i really dont understand how test levels could triple, and Estrogen almost doubled while using a natty AI. with any other AI excluding 6-oxo estrogen would be lower. whos bloodwork is this it says AM member?
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Well actually with such a raise in testosterone, estrogen levels will raise too. The body wants homeostasis. So, just from numbers from the bloodwork, the estrogen SHOULD raise with the test. The ratio of test to estrogen should just be larger in the favor of testosterone, which in that test it is.

If one was on something stronger, say, Letrozle they might see estrogen drop while their test was raised that high... but there would be numerous side effects if there was NO estrogen in the ratio.
 
Zero Tolerance said:
Your test number is kinda low for the amount of testosterone you're taking. I take 100mg per week subcutaneously along with a little bit of Arimidex every other day and I'm in the 1100 range... Then again I do take a VERY small amount of HCG (250iu) every 5 days as well - and maybe that's giving me a boost. But 100mg per week of test and not even intramuscular....



my doc won't put me on an ai, and i don't use hcg. plus there is a considerable age difference, i am 51. are you primary or secondary?
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TripDog said:
So you are saying, and I am quoting you "nothing else could cause a rise in testosterone that drastic?" Are you serious, or was that just a really bad joke? How do you know what he took, were you there watching him?

I only have an issue with claiming something as the strongest compound in a class of supplements, based on 2 pieces of paper that have no validity. Real world feedback is what matters, not hocus pocus claims. C'mon bro, I thought you were above that game.....
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I believe that's why LegalGear himself disclosed that these are preliminary results. You're right man - one guys bloodwork doesn't prove a thing. It suggests some very promising stuff, but doesn't prove it at all. And that's why I'm really hoping that additional subjects come through. If a trend can be established, that's when the real fun begins.
 
TripDog said:
So you are saying, and I am quoting you "nothing else could cause a rise in testosterone that drastic?" Are you serious, or was that just a really bad joke? How do you know what he took, were you there watching him?

I only have an issue with claiming something as the strongest compound in a class of supplements, based on 2 pieces of paper that have no validity. Real world feedback is what matters, not hocus pocus claims. C'mon bro, I thought you were above that game.....
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You read my statement wrong. If he was not taking anything else at that time, then there is nothing else that could have caused that spike in testosterone other than the Formadrol.

How does the bloodwork carry no validity? How is this not "real world" feedback? He used the product, and the bloodwork is reflecting the results on his blood levels.

I'm not making any direct claims in any of this. It's not conclusive, I agree, but don't claim that these lab tests are BS when you have no proof. You can choose to believe it or not. I don't really care.
 
Irish Cannon said:
You read my statement wrong. If he was not taking anything else at that time, then there is nothing else that could have caused that spike in testosterone other than the Formadrol.

How does the bloodwork carry no validity? How is this not "real world" feedback? He used the product, and the bloodwork is reflecting the results on his blood levels.

I'm not making any direct claims in any of this. It's not conclusive, I agree, but don't claim that these lab tests are BS when you have no proof. You can choose to believe it or not. I don't really care.
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you can't blame people for being skeptical, for someone to triple test in two weeks from a otc supplement does seem somewhat miraculous-especially to those who have been using prescription drugs to treat low test with less results than what is reported here-damn, those results are incredible!
 
thebigt said:
you can't blame people for being skeptical, for someone to triple test in two weeks from a otc supplement does seem somewhat miraculous-especially to those who have been using prescription drugs to treat low test with less results than what is reported here-damn, those results are incredible!
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Being skeptical is fine, but I don't appreciate people implying that I'm a liar.
 
It's pretty common, Novedex XT had similar results as did other AI's. It's slightly higher than Novedex XT but then again we have a better formula. ;)

One person isn't conclusive, but it is a good start. So, we will then go forward with additional people to make sure we are not working with skewed results.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Being skeptical is fine, but I don't appreciate people implying that I'm a liar.
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no accusations have been made on my part, just having a hard time coming to grip those kind of results from an otc. ok, say his test was elevated that much in that short of time-what were the results of the elevated test- strength/body comp/endurance/huge increase in libido? many have stated that atd can falsely increase test scores without the noted advantages that come with increased test.
 
thebigt said:
no accusations have been made on my part, just having a hard time coming to grip those kind of results from an otc. ok, say his test was elevated that much in that short of time-what were the results of the elevated test- strength/body comp/endurance/huge increase in libido? many have stated that atd can falsely increase test scores without the noted advantages that come with increased test.
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Oh man dont say that, I just ordered two bottles!!:shhh:

Heres hoping the get past Aussie Customs....(please!)
 
LegalGear said:
It's pretty common, Novedex XT had similar results as did other AI's. It's slightly higher than Novedex XT but then again we have a better formula. ;)

One person isn't conclusive, but it is a good start. So, we will then go forward with additional people to make sure we are not working with skewed results.
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Novedex XT only shows that high from being a false positive. These lab results as they stand are completely useless. I can take some Nolva for a couple days, and also have my test hit 1500. That means nothing. How do we know he used only Formadrol? We have to take a supplement companies word for it?
 
slimcharles said:
Novedex XT only shows that high from being a false positive. These lab results as they stand are completely useless. I can take some Nolva for a couple days, and also have my test hit 1500. That means nothing. How do we know he used only Formadrol? We have to take a supplement companies word for it?
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Geez, man, chill. It's already been said, it's up to you whether you believe it or not. It'd be practically impossible to provide specific evidence that Form was all he took, so if you can't or don't want to take it at face value, that's your prerogative, but it doesn't prove that tester didn't have those results. :rolleyes:
 
Isnt there anyone on here thats used it? Hoe long has it been out? It has ratings on NP so must have been out for a bit (or is this updated formula?)
If so I hope I ordered the latest! It was only $19 per bottle which seems mighty cheap.....:dunno:
 
Tons of great info here. The thing im always most concerned with are post consumption. Ive never taken a test booster and am curious what the after effects will be.
 
ProteinMurder said:
Isnt there anyone on here thats used it? Hoe long has it been out? It has ratings on NP so must have been out for a bit (or is this updated formula?)
If so I hope I ordered the latest! It was only $19 per bottle which seems mighty cheap.....:dunno:
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Thats a 24 hour special only price
 
Skepticism of company claims aside, different people respond very differently to anything in the hormonal realm. I have seen bloodwork from 100 mg week of injectable test cyp take one person over 1000 ng/dl, and others on 300 mg per week barely scraping 800 ng/dl. Human physiology is so variable it is unreal. Receptor quantity, conversion rates, and so many other factors influence the final number seen on someone's bloodwork. With inhibition of estrogen conversion, and an optimal environment for production, I believe these results are very possible.
 
Well, I'm coming off a mini-Hdrol cycle and I'm gonna post cycle with this stuff. I'll let everyone know how it does!
 
Ok, checked my old log notes and I have a question.

Is this the same version as the one that came in the pack with IGF-1?
 
I guess if I had to anything, it would be that while on the Trifecta stack, I felt friggin awesome. When I started 'PCT' I still felt great and actually went up in strength and volume while still 'cutting'. I'm off 'PCT' and still having great workouts as we speak.
 
GMG760 said:
Well actually with such a raise in testosterone, estrogen levels will raise too. The body wants homeostasis. So, just from numbers from the bloodwork, the estrogen SHOULD raise with the test. The ratio of test to estrogen should just be larger in the favor of testosterone, which in that test it is.

If one was on something stronger, say, Letrozle they might see estrogen drop while their test was raised that high... but there would be numerous side effects if there was NO estrogen in the ratio.
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which is why I asked if this was the same as from last year. I took that version and did pre and post bloodwork but it didn't have numbers such as this. I didn't have numbers even related to these...not even the same type of numbers. I am talking a difference such as football is to basketball.
 
i really liked formadrol when i ran it after mmv2 it was the older version however and i didnt get any blood work but strength and libido increased greatly. that was over a year ago i might have to give this newer version a shot.
 
flightposite said:
i really liked formadrol when i ran it after mmv2 it was the older version however and i didnt get any blood work but strength and libido increased greatly. that was over a year ago i might have to give this newer version a shot.
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i think there have been about 6 different versions in the last few years, my favorite was the one that said formadrol on top of bottle and test booster below. but when i went to order again i got a different version.:dunno:
 
thebigt said:
i think there have been about 6 different versions in the last few years, my favorite was the one that said formadrol on top of bottle and test booster below. but when i went to order again i got a different version.:dunno:
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Im assuming because this thread was started, that this one on special is latest and best? I'd be pretty upset if I was tricked into buying up some old stock at reduced price........:squint:
Some clarification from an LG affiliate would be good!
 
I just picked up my first bottle. I start tomorrow! Should I take 3 servings a day for maybe a least a week since I'm coming off of H-drol? (took my last hdrol cap a few hours ago) I was only on it for 3 weeks at 50mg.
 
ProteinMurder said:
Im assuming because this thread was started, that this one on special is latest and best? I'd be pretty upset if I was tricked into buying up some old stock at reduced price........:squint:
Some clarification from an LG affiliate would be good!
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I just bought a bottle from Vitamin Shoppe and it's got a strip across the top that says "updated formula". WOOT!
 
This has been the formula for at least a year now, so no worries about old stock or anything, we updated the AI's to be even stronger added in the ginger extract and updated a few minor things. Also, 90 caps instead of 60
 
LegalGear said:
This has been the formula for at least a year now, so no worries about old stock or anything, we updated the AI's to be even stronger added in the ginger extract and updated a few minor things. Also, 90 caps instead of 60
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You claim in your writeup on NP, that this whatever AI herbal ginger extract combo is equal to armidex.....

"studies show the main ingredients in Formadrol to inhibit estrogen at the same levels as prescription aromatase inhibitors like Arimidex." -product writeup on NP

Yet the (cough) bloodwork you provided shows a 40% increase in total serum estrogens.......

One single dose of armidex would do more than this did for serum estrogen levels............

Things just don't match up here
 
thebigt said:
i think there have been about 6 different versions in the last few years, my favorite was the one that said formadrol on top of bottle and test booster below. but when i went to order again i got a different version.:dunno:
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The version I had was from Lot # 09002. I am hoping it is much better than that one.
 
Turbo12a said:
I just picked up my first bottle. I start tomorrow! Should I take 3 servings a day for maybe a least a week since I'm coming off of H-drol? (took my last hdrol cap a few hours ago) I was only on it for 3 weeks at 50mg.
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1 Would take 1AM and 2 Pre bed in the PM for 4 weeks :)
 
LegalGear said:
It's pretty common, Novedex XT had similar results as did other AI's. It's slightly higher than Novedex XT but then again we have a better formula. ;)

One person isn't conclusive, but it is a good start. So, we will then go forward with additional people to make sure we are not working with skewed results.
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I remember seeing bloodwork on Novadex XT and the old Trione (6-OXO) which showed a tripling of DHT levels in concurrence with the Test and Est increases.
Seeing how I am one of those weirdos who LOVES DHT, I would have liked to have seen this tester's dht levels on that panel. I'm sure it raised some, but I am curious as to just how much.
 
TripDog said:
You claim in your writeup on NP, that this whatever AI herbal ginger extract combo is equal to armidex.....

"studies show the main ingredients in Formadrol to inhibit estrogen at the same levels as prescription aromatase inhibitors like Arimidex." -product writeup on NP

Yet the (cough) bloodwork you provided shows a 40% increase in total serum estrogens.......

One single dose of armidex would do more than this did for serum estrogen levels............

Things just don't match up here
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You need to look at all the blood work done, when you raise T levels by that (cough) much you (cough) get an increase in E, that is just part of the balance. 6-OXO and Novedex XT had the same issue but the ratio is what matters.

So, (cough) you should look at the literature since the IC50 values are so close that the are pretty much the same with alpha-napthaflavone and arimidex (once you get to a certain level it's effectively the same).
 
LegalGear said:
You need to look at all the blood work done, when you raise T levels by that (cough) much you (cough) get an increase in E, that is just part of the balance. 6-OXO and Novedex XT had the same issue but the ratio is what matters.
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True dat. The T to E ratio is what matters most. And a 14:1 T to E ratio is nothing to sneeze at.


Tester's panel from page 1: In reference to estrogen, post-Formadrol estrogen blood levels are significantly lower than baseline estrogen levels in proportion to testosterone (Baseline- 6:1 T to E; Post-Formadrol- 14:1 T to E).
 
LegalGear said:
You need to look at all the blood work done, when you raise T levels by that (cough) much you (cough) get an increase in E, that is just part of the balance. 6-OXO and Novedex XT had the same issue but the ratio is what matters.

So, (cough) you should look at the literature since the IC50 values are so close that the are pretty much the same with alpha-napthaflavone and arimidex (once you get to a certain level it's effectively the same).
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my test went from double digits to 700's on test cyp with minimal increase in estrogen-estrogen is so low doc refuses to prescribe an ai.
 
thundergod said:
I remember seeing bloodwork on Novadex XT and the old Trione (6-OXO) which showed a tripling of DHT levels in concurrence with the Test and Est increases.
Seeing how I am one of those weirdos who LOVES DHT, I would have liked to have seen this tester's dht levels on that panel. I'm sure it raised some, but I am curious as to just how much.
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x2 i like dht aswell and would like to know this. weirdos bro
 
I will be picking up a bottle for my natadrol pct in april. Expecting good, solid results
 
I was asked a good question about Formadrol today and thought I'd share it here. A guy on here wants to know if this stuff affects sleep being taken so close to when I go to bed. Well I had no problems falling asleep what so ever!!!!! :) No hot flashes, sweats, jitters, anything.

so far so good!
 
Turbo12a said:
I was asked a good question about Formadrol today and thought I'd share it here. A guy on here wants to know if this stuff affects sleep being taken so close to sleep. Well I had no problems falling asleep what so ever!!!!! :)

so far so good!
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I used to take 2 pre bed and slept fine :)
 
ProteinMurder said:
And your in Aus Craig, so Can I assume it goes through customs ok? I got 2 bottles on the way Kiwi! :D
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I have had it get into both New Zealand and Australia just fine, inspected everytime and let through no problems.

Also got Natadrol in recently, GHenerate and Anadraulic Pump.
 
Craigmatthew said:
I have had it get into both New Zealand and Australia just fine, inspected everytime and let through no problems.

Also got Natadrol in recently, GHenerate and Anadraulic Pump.
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That's pretty sweet to hear, I know Australia has some f*cked up import laws.
 
GMG760 said:
That's pretty sweet to hear, I know Australia has some f*cked up import laws.
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Mate, you can say that again!!

Isnt anyone except turbo runnin it? I thought this thread was for a new product, but this stuff been out a while. Im not sure I understand the point of this thread? (no offence intended)
 
ProteinMurder said:
Mate, you can say that again!!

Isnt anyone except turbo runnin it? I thought this thread was for a new product, but this stuff been out a while. Im not sure I understand the point of this thread? (no offence intended)
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This thread was to show the blood work results :)
 
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