On Cycle Testosterone Support - DO NOT Cycle Without It! Make PCT Easy on Yourself!

I had never really thought about m1d used this way. Sounds like a great idea. I love superdrol and the added test and effects could make running a straight cycle of it worth while. This sounds like some very innovative thinking on lg's part. What about phera it is a dht hormone but some added test would probably make it even better.
 
IC, I'm gonna run this with my Tren. I felt awesome while on M1D, it's a must-try.

Is the 90ct bottle the same as the 135 ct ingredient wise? (Not sure if the 90ct is a differnt (V)ersion.)
 
Irish Cannon said:
I would run M1D at 2 caps on off days and 4 caps on pulsing days. Something like that. I'd have to think more through it.

I plan on setting up a support chart for everyone for easy reference.



I had to read this about 50 times before I realized what you were saying.

Not everyone can just go grab HCG man.
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yes .. Sorry not very eloquently put
 
tyler4 said:
With a completely different MOA-and even HCG is supressive to the natural production of LH over time.
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@ these low doses it works just fine even on long cycles but agreed on a higher dose. I know guys who have gone on cycles as long as 1 year and use this protocol to prevent shutdown with great success. However i totally agree on the hypothesis of this thread and the use of m1d for this purpose, it makes total sense and clearly as Irish Cannon pointed out, is far easier to get your hands on. Sorry for going off topic :)
 
how is it that m1d 3-beta converts to test? its a DHT precursor is it not? im not seeing the link to testosterone conversion here, I know that DHT would help on something like and SD cycle or especially good with a high dosed 1-ad cycle ie 1g+ per day when lethargy would be an issue the DHT would give more energy and aggression. but has M1D changed the formula because as of now it is not ADT like andrew was asking, ADT was the old t-911 which was awesome BTW but thats not whats in M1D. and not trying to hate or anything I think m1d is a good addition to cycles
 
It is NOT a DHT precursor (that is masterdrol) so it will impart some much needed balance on a cycle with a wetter feel. Too little estrogen is a bad thing trust me when I say this. Things like Epistane, Superdrol, M1a, Dymethazine etc... require you add in a wetter compound to get maximal effect.

You wouldn't want to add in a DHT to an already dry compound, it's kind of pointless, you want a wet compound that ISN'T methylated since stacking the methyls isn't the best idea.
 
When you say make PCT easier on yourself, does that mean that OTC PCT can be a viable solution (if we incorporate M1D on cycle) rather than serm?
 
jcalvert86 said:
So can this be used in place of HCG to support testicle size etc during a Test E or superdrol etc cycle?
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No, it's not meant to be an HCG replacement, I'm just making the analogy as to what M1D and HCG do. - Some of the effects would be the same, but I'm by no means saying that M1D will continue stimulating LH release.

rugal09 said:
When you say make PCT easier on yourself, does that mean that OTC PCT can be a viable solution (if we incorporate M1D on cycle) rather than serm?
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No, it just makes the transition easier.

You basically get all the benefits of your body producing natural test on cycle. You shouldn't have to deal with all of the harsh sides such as lethargy, low sex drive, mood swings, etc.

A normal PCT will still be necessary, but it should be much smoother for you. Your on-cycel gains will be much more easily maintained, and you should bounce back much more quickly after the cycle is completed.
 
LegalGear said:
It is NOT a DHT precursor (that is masterdrol) so it will impart some much needed balance on a cycle with a wetter feel. Too little estrogen is a bad thing trust me when I say this. Things like Epistane, Superdrol, M1a, Dymethazine etc... require you add in a wetter compound to get maximal effect.

You wouldn't want to add in a DHT to an already dry compound, it's kind of pointless, you want a wet compound that ISN'T methylated since stacking the methyls isn't the best idea.
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I agree here, there is NO reaon to add DHT to superdrol which is already a DHT derivative, with that being said, I would like to see bloodwork with people on cycle using the new M1D, please LOL!
 
imasleep said:
I'm about to run an M-drol cycle (superdrol). 3 caps of m1d good? will it affect hair loss/gyno at all?
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Yep, 3 caps should do you well. I would speculate that that's all most people would NEED for this to be beneficial. More is always an option, but that's up to you. I really think most of the sides should be kept down quite well with 3 caps. I would probably dose 2/1; just focus the higher dose closer to the time you normally deal with issues such as lethargy and such...maybe 1/1/1...I don't quite know. You may want to adjust based on how you feel. It should be great for you either way though! :439:
 
What about running this with an Mdrol and Pplex bridge? I am planning on running a six week cycle at low doses, what would adding methyl 1 D to this cycle do? Will I be making a HARSH cycle even more toxic? I like the idea of taking methyl 1 D for all the positive sides you mentioned, but what about potential negative sides? Like andrew I too would like to see blood work.
 
tabarnard said:
What about running this with an Mdrol and Pplex bridge? I am planning on running a six week cycle at low doses, what would adding methyl 1 D to this cycle do? Will I be making a HARSH cycle even more toxic? I like the idea of taking methyl 1 D for all the positive sides you mentioned, but what about potential negative sides? Like andrew I too would like to see blood work.
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There is really nothing in M1D that I could foresee causing additional negative sides other than perhaps acne. It most certainly isn't liver toxic as a methylated compound is. Shouldn't cause issues with BP, HDL, etc.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Yep, 3 caps should do you well. I would speculate that that's all most people would NEED for this to be beneficial. More is always an option, but that's up to you. I really think most of the sides should be kept down quite well with 3 caps. I would probably dose 2/1; just focus the higher dose closer to the time you normally deal with issues such as lethargy and such...maybe 1/1/1...I don't quite know. You may want to adjust based on how you feel. It should be great for you either way though! :439:
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i still dont see a straight answer about gyno/hair loss? thats what im really worried about :/
 
imasleep said:
i still dont see a straight answer about gyno/hair loss? thats what im really worried about :/
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It shouldn't have any problems with hair loss as it is not a dht derived hormone.I also have never heard of a case of gyno with m1d.
 
Any sides associated with AAS, OTC hormonals, prohormones, etc, are always possible, but sometimes not likely, such as the case with M1D. I've never seen gyno or hair loss being an issue from M1D, but again, it's possible.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Any sides associated with AAS, OTC hormonals, prohormones, etc, are always possible, but sometimes not likely, such as the case with M1D. I've never seen gyno or hair loss being an issue from M1D, but again, it's possible.
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Yes this is true. Some people may use super high doses of say super and never get any gyno at all, but some may also use 10mg on a pulse and get gyno.So it really boils down to the person at hand. M1d is going to be one of the least likely to cause this thought. imo
 
If you are prone to hairloss your gonna lose your hair eventualy-aas or not. All aas will do is speed up the process.

That being said, M1D will not cause hairloss. I can say that and not be held responsible because I'm not an LG rep, ha. :)
 
hman85 said:
Yes this is true. Some people may use super high doses of say super and never get any gyno at all, but some may also use 10mg on a pulse and get gyno.So it really boils down to the person at hand. M1d is going to be one of the least likely to cause this thought. imo
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yeah i understand that, was just wondering if mixed with m-drol if it could or anything like that
 
Considering ordering a bottle, couple questions though. Anyone actually run this with anything major yet, like Superdrol or pheraplex? Wondering how much this actually helps with lethargy and libido, some real world results would be nice. I get ridiculously tired by the 2nd week when on superdrol and phera..
 
spezzy said:
Considering ordering a bottle, couple questions though. Anyone actually run this with anything major yet, like Superdrol or pheraplex? Wondering how much this actually helps with lethargy and libido, some real world results would be nice. I get ridiculously tired by the 2nd week when on superdrol and phera..
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Read above metro ran it with super and he loves it.
 
I'm confused, is the idea similar to using 4ad in a stack? I forgot I had a couple bottles of the old 4ad gels LG made before the ban, not sure if they are still good or not, any thoughts?
 
McBurly said:
I'm confused, is the idea similar to using 4ad in a stack? I forgot I had a couple bottles of the old 4ad gels LG made before the ban, not sure if they are still good or not, any thoughts?
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Yes, similar idea, but I have higher hopes for the versatility of Methyl 1-D.
 
metroba said:
great thrad!! I couldnt agree with this more. I am on Microdrol (super) and 6 caps/day of M1d. I'm telling you this has got to be the smoothest cycle I've ever been on. Aggression is only in the gym and bed cardio :hump:. I have not experienced any outbursts or bouts of rage which I have big time on the harsher stuff. My libido has been crazy high and recovery after is FAST!! Mood is always stable and for the most part always elevated. I am also getting a really nice recomp effect off of higher cals :yup:.

Other stuff:
- bp is perfect
- no prostate swelling
- no decrease in libido
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Good to hear, could you elaborate on " My libido has been crazy high and recovery after is FAST!"? Do you mean that your periods between sexual activity is decreased? Any symptoms of lethargy yet? That's the main killer for me..


Also, what would you guys say, go with M1D or Dermacrine?
 
I was thinking of running an Epi-Mdrol bridge:

Mdrol 20/20/20/0/0
Epi 0/0/30/30/30/40

So my understanding is me adding Methyl 1-D would reduce sides on cycle, make it less suppressive and easier to hold on to gains?

Also, does that mean I can run a cycle longer? i.e Mdrol instead of 3-4 weeks, maybe 5 weeks?
 
rsr08 said:
I was thinking of running an Epi-Mdrol bridge:

Mdrol 20/20/20/0/0
Epi 0/0/30/30/30/40

So my understanding is me adding Methyl 1-D would reduce sides on cycle, make it less suppressive and easier to hold on to gains?

Also, does that mean I can run a cycle longer? i.e Mdrol instead of 3-4 weeks, maybe 5 weeks?
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Yes to all three (within reason), but no, I do not recommend extending a cycle of Mdrol simply because you're on Methyl 1-D. A low dose cycle, sure, but you can't get very low dose with Mdrol. I like using SD at doses between 2.5mg-5mg/day for longer periods of time (6wks or so), but you can really only do that with the liquid versions of the compound.
 
Thought I'd share my results with you guys seeing as how I've been on this protocol for weeks now. I have been doing 6 caps M1d with 7.5mg Microdrol. I a few days ago decided to lower my dose of M1d to 4 caps. I had a feeling that I was suppressing est too much. Not just that, my gains to be tapering off...on SUPERDROL!!! So I did just that. I dropped it to 4 caps and viola! Strength is exploding and size is piling on! So like IC said, 3-4 caps is the money spot. Anything more and you are risking gains. The down side to a lower dose is I less mentally stable. At 6 caps, I had no sides in the aggression, libido department. In fact, I was INCREDIBLY randy. At 4, my aggression is higher and I am getting a bit pissy. IMO, this is a small price to pay for strength and size. The libido on the other hand is unchanged..as of now. Thought I'd just throw some real life experience at you guys.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Yes to all three (within reason), but no, I do not recommend extending a cycle of Mdrol simply because you're on Methyl 1-D. A low dose cycle, sure, but you can't get very low dose with Mdrol. I like using SD at doses between 2.5mg-5mg/day for longer periods of time (6wks or so), but you can really only do that with the liquid versions of the compound.
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Gotcha. I won't be running a longer cycle forsure then.

So running my bridge is perfectly fine w/ the methyl 1-D at 3 caps? My idea is that I will be less suppressed, and PCT will be a breeze.
 
So Irish, would this be good to use on a light pulse cycle of m-drol? Or would I be better off using formadrol? Since this is slightly suppressive. I would only be using it on non pulse days.
 
diesel7 said:
So Irish, would this be good to use on a light pulse cycle of m-drol? Or would I be better off using formadrol? Since this is slightly suppressive. I would only be using it on non pulse days.
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I would actually recommend Formadrol more for a pulse. The ingredients in Formadrol Extreme are proven in literature to stimulate LH, which is precisely what you want pumping during a pulse to keep your levels normalized. - The idea behind using M1D on cycle is basically when you know shutdown is inevitable. Formadrol still has a strong purpose even when you're shut down, but the idea behind it is different.

But yes, to reiterate, I recommend Formadrol Extreme on a pulse.

I actually would like to discuss dosing options for this with the science community (calling RESOLVE! :D). I can see many options here, from everyday dosing to high dose (6-8 caps) a few times a week.
 
Irish Cannon said:
I would actually recommend Formadrol more for a pulse. The ingredients in Formadrol Extreme are proven in literature to stimulate LH, which is precisely what you want pumping during a pulse to keep your levels normalized. - The idea behind using M1D on cycle is basically when you know shutdown is inevitable. Formadrol still has a strong purpose even when you're shut down, but the idea behind it is different.

But yes, to reiterate, I recommend Formadrol Extreme on a pulse.

I actually would like to discuss dosing options for this with the science community (calling RESOLVE! :D). I can see many options here, from everyday dosing to high dose (6-8 caps) a few times a week.
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You can take it daily when on AI though, correct?:439:
 
can it be stacked with Natadrol?
 
Thanks for the help Irish, I am starting an Mdrol/Pplex bridge on March 1st and I've been preloading my support supps since the 14th and Methyl 1 D since the 21st... I was planning on running a log but I don't know if I will have the time. Either way I will let you know how it goes.
 
suresha said:
can it be stacked with Natadrol?
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Absolutely, but I still question how well this work together. I've heard it's great, but I'm still very curious as they both act on the androgen receptor.

Natadrol has proven to be awesome for recomposition, LBM gains, and vascularity. I'm sure adding M1D would be enjoyable, but not necessary.

Our sponsored athlete, Jeff Johnston, who's a world record bench presser is currently on M1D/Natadrol and loves the stack. So maybe take it from him over me. Haha. - He said ever since he added ND, all the effects were heightened.

tabarnard said:
Thanks for the help Irish, I am starting an Mdrol/Pplex bridge on March 1st and I've been preloading my support supps since the 14th and Methyl 1 D since the 21st... I was planning on running a log but I don't know if I will have the time. Either way I will let you know how it goes.
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Sounds great man. Even if you don't run a log I'd love to hear a review of how it went.
 
stumbled upon this thread and it got me very curious. i cant find hcg anywhere. im thinking of running test e at like 500 mg standalone, would i benefit from this?
 
Irish Cannon said:
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Thats quite an overdone write-up for an oral dhea product....I think there is a pattern here...

Here is an interesting article explaining this to be nothing more than dhea..

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Dermacrine is far superior for on cycle test support.
 
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