Mdrol batch 092107 mini-log
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Delta Force
PES Rep
50mg all at once of mdrol is unheard of, I'd call you crazy on this one... but since this turning out to be bunk you get a pass on this one
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
50mg of Superdrol is quite crazy. My sweet spot is 20mg; no need to do 2.5x that much
anyway,
Day 9
50mg Mdrol (50 pre 0 post)
217 pounds (same as yesterday and weighed in later in the day today)
lift day
Lift day went ok. Strength was pretty mediocre. It was satisfactory but not a good workout by my standards. Pumps and endurance were very normal. Not what I would expect from 50mg Mdrol pre-WO.
I'm going to do 1 more day and then I think i'll be done. This is really a waste of time. I am just doing this to show that somehow 2 of CEL's testing analyses are dead wrong. I don't have scientific proof here but you take this and add to it the 8 other people I found on these forums that got jack **** from this batch and if you have a brain there's only 1 conclusion it can reach.
anyway,
Day 9
50mg Mdrol (50 pre 0 post)
217 pounds (same as yesterday and weighed in later in the day today)
lift day
Lift day went ok. Strength was pretty mediocre. It was satisfactory but not a good workout by my standards. Pumps and endurance were very normal. Not what I would expect from 50mg Mdrol pre-WO.
I'm going to do 1 more day and then I think i'll be done. This is really a waste of time. I am just doing this to show that somehow 2 of CEL's testing analyses are dead wrong. I don't have scientific proof here but you take this and add to it the 8 other people I found on these forums that got jack **** from this batch and if you have a brain there's only 1 conclusion it can reach.
Dragon13
Active member
Exactly; this is my point. The B isomer should be more androgenic/less anabolic, and hence an inferior product. If it is possible to "contaminate" a SD batch with the B isomer, than maybe that's what we're looking at. In light of the fact that this stuff apparenly has lab results and all, the hypothesis at least fits.
mw1
Sponsor
Do you realize how many thousands of bottles of Mdrol has been sold ??8 people not getting results does'nt qualify it as a bad batch. Like i said before you are welcome to have it tested for yourself
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
Do you realize how many thousands of bottles of Mdrol has been sold ??8 people not getting results does'nt qualify it as a bad batch. Like i said before you are welcome to have it tested for yourself
No it's 8 people plus me. It's 9 people saying the batch is bad. Out of a total of like 10 people weighing in (I think I read about 1 guy claiming results out of this batch). And I have previously referenced 8 other posts of guys getting no results from this batch... in one case he went 2 weeks on this batch, felt nothing, switched batches, and started making gains instantly... This is outright stupid to argue...
You're talking about a FAILURE rate of 90% with a sample size of 10. Sounds pretty against the odds.
And finally... I JUST DID TEST THIS BATCH MYSELF. You saw the results. They suck. You can hide behind the test results all day... I don't care... And neither do the viewers.
You can run this stuff for yourself. PM me your address and i'll send the rest of the bottle. I don't want it. Why don't you run your own log of it and we can see how your 100% perfect superdrol clone works?
P4D2A022
Well-known member
DEF let us know!
Iron Lungz
Banned
Ouch. OUCH!
Not all the time. But the fact that UM ran 50mg and didn't feel a thing is pretty bold.
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
I'm trying 60mg before my arms workout today. This should generate an absolutely debilitating pump, but we will see.
wolverines
Member
Unreal I must say I truly respect what are you doing for us by testing out this batch and giving honest feedback. You are running SD at "unthinkable doses" haha. IMO there is no need for you to continue running this compound and putting your body at risk for all of us. You have done more than enough ! And i'm sure we all appreciate it. If you say this batch is bunk, then I trust you word without a doubt. But please man stop this soon lol god only knows whats in that stuff !
Delta Force
PES Rep
I could not agree with wolverines more, if at 50 you did not feel the expected results where/when will it be enough? 70 or 90... I think you have proven your point without a though that this is not what it says on the bottle!
No need to keep your body at risk! my 2cents!
Delta Force
PES Rep
One more thing to add to prove your point further.. I'm running another batch at 10mg per day for 6 days and I can sure feel the pumps throughout the day since the second day!
crazyfool405
Banned
dont need to prove anything else bro,
remember people have been reading the thread, even if they arent posting. you have more people following then you think.
just run some clomid about a week and then show how u respond to the second super compound so theres no "well the compound is the same and u continued and so did the gains u just needed to wait longer.." speech
kept this friendly. its people sharing experiences.
remember people have been reading the thread, even if they arent posting. you have more people following then you think.
just run some clomid about a week and then show how u respond to the second super compound so theres no "well the compound is the same and u continued and so did the gains u just needed to wait longer.." speech
kept this friendly. its people sharing experiences.
boggs67ss
Member
Hey crazy, what was the batch that you ran awhile ago? I remember having the same batch as you, and both of us didn't get jack off of it.
crazyfool405
Banned
let me check my pile of **** lol.
i ran the P8353 E0113
and i sold the other 3 mdrols i had after i got rid of that one which were the ones 2 of my friends ran with no gains. (same batch as unreal)
and the other half of the bottle i had i gave to my trainer and got nothing from it at the back end of his test tren cycle.
crazyfool405
Banned
i had good results with their OLDER pplex (over dosed)
actually used it at the END of my cut but at 80mg LOL so maybe thats y i had good results.
i was never one to get back pumps though
mw1
Sponsor
What about the thousands that have used it w/ good results???? There can be numerous reasons as to why you have not had results with it...storage, 4+ previous cycles of SD (plus others), etc ,etc.....
dustin06MR
Member
i hate to say it, but i hope this isnt true because i found this thread after ordering some M-drol. i also have some s-drol on the way, so if it does the same thing for me (nothing) ill try the s-drol to verify
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
I think it's very simple, they weren't running this batch. I have already provided evidence for 9/10 people getting no results from this batch; Now i see Crazyfool's post and apparently there were some more people with my batch and no results. His 2 friends brings the count of people getting no gains off this batch to 11. And the count of people getting gains being 1 person I found during my searches here. This isn't about me, it's about the batch, IMO.
As for the hypothesis of myself somehow burning out my receptors with previous SD usage, I am prepared to test that by waiting a week and then using a different Superdrol clone to showcase the results. I will continue diet and training the same and we'll see how the next clone fares vs. this Mdrol.
Yes Delta that is exactly how SD should work. It is extremely potent stuff and I usually start feeling it immediately.
anyway:
Day 9
Lift day (arms)
221 lbs (different gym, different scale)
60mg Mdrol (all 60 pre-WO)
So i trained with my friend at his gym today, i thought it was a good idea at first because I like his gym more, then i realized that weighing in on a different scales really throws off my weigh-ins. From the look of it, it was a good weigh-in though.
I gotta admit i had a pretty good workout, was very happy with it. At the high end of my normal spectrum, up a rep or 2 from the previous arms workout 2 weeks ago. I got 145*6 on preacher curls, and +100*20 on weighted dips. Pretty good pump, not what I would expect from 60mg of Superdrol, but not bad at all.
Since I can safely say i've never had a bad arms day (they're genetically my strongest and fastest growing bodypart), let's talk about sides:
Libido: normal
Balls: normal (thought i felt suppressed at first but I think it was probably in my head. I think suppression, like gyno, is part mental)
Appetite: high (hmmm FOOOD)
Lethargy: none
Back pumps: none (not that i'd be getting them on an arms day but at 60mg of SD i'd kinda expect to get backpumps out of nowhere)
So what I want to do is get a weigh-in tomorrow at my gym so I can see what my weight is really at.
I want to take 2 weeks off, maybe throw in a lose dose of PCT-supps
Then I'll start up some SD-1 at 20mg and see how it goes. Thing is, i need to start my injectable cycle, i'm running long esters, should have at least 2 weeks to judge the SD before they are able to factor in... But i need to start pinning, or else this SD-testing i'm doing will really mess up my cycle schedule. Sound good enough?
wolverines
Member
It seems that a few of their clones are either hit or miss. I ran their E-stane last February at 20, 30, 40. Didnt feel anything during the first two weeks so I figured maybe it would kick in at 40 mgs. Nothing at 40 either needless to say I was very disappointed. I think the only weight I put on came from diet/ training. Ran IBE's Epistane with great success in May at the same dose so not too sure what deal is.
n8te
Well-known member
What batch are you running?
In another thread he was emptying the caps out into an EVOO shot and saying he ws feeling the effects of SD more quickly. Another guy say taking it w/ Grapefruit juice supposidly had some interesting effects on the compound as well (I think it increased the 1/2 life?)
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
Bad e-stane and h-drol is news to me, i figured all of CEL's other clones were totally good. I've used a couple bottles of P-Plex and my stuff was definitely legit.
crazyfool405
Banned
ditto pplex was the **** first and second time i used it!
hard iron
Member
QUICK QUESTION:
Not meaning to change the SD discussion, Just out of curiosity, how did y'all run your phera cycles, Like you and Unreal? 30, 45mg? What was the sweet spot with that? I've heard phera on its own doesn't really start to kick in till you hit like 2 1/2 week mark, and did you guys get alot of bloating sides with it?
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
my phera experience:
1) 30mg for 24 days
Gained 10-12 pounds on a bulking diet, high carbs, bad bloat
gained decent strength, about 20 pounds on bench
2) 40/40/50/50
i think i gained about 1-2 pounds while leaning out a little. Strength gains were worse this time, maybe up about 10 pounds. I concluded that phera is pretty weak even at higher doses and needs to be stacked and run for a while
3) ran 30mg stacked with 20mg SD for about 2.5 weeks, I think SD carried it, but the combo was pretty friggin sick
overall sweet spot for me is probably 40mg, 30 is kinda mild, 50 wasn't much better than 40. Overall I feel the compound is pretty mild. I got a few backpumps and at 50mg my nip started feeling sore but that's it. Gyno and back pumps are the only sides I seem to be susceptible to anyway. Most people get much better strength from Phera than me. I quantitatively get over twice as much strength from Superdrol as Phera. Phera needs to be run for a while, it definitely does take a lot longer for the strength gains to get going. Anyway, could talk about phera forever, if you want more discussion make a new thread for it and i'll reply, or PM me
1) 30mg for 24 days
Gained 10-12 pounds on a bulking diet, high carbs, bad bloat
gained decent strength, about 20 pounds on bench
2) 40/40/50/50
i think i gained about 1-2 pounds while leaning out a little. Strength gains were worse this time, maybe up about 10 pounds. I concluded that phera is pretty weak even at higher doses and needs to be stacked and run for a while
3) ran 30mg stacked with 20mg SD for about 2.5 weeks, I think SD carried it, but the combo was pretty friggin sick
overall sweet spot for me is probably 40mg, 30 is kinda mild, 50 wasn't much better than 40. Overall I feel the compound is pretty mild. I got a few backpumps and at 50mg my nip started feeling sore but that's it. Gyno and back pumps are the only sides I seem to be susceptible to anyway. Most people get much better strength from Phera than me. I quantitatively get over twice as much strength from Superdrol as Phera. Phera needs to be run for a while, it definitely does take a lot longer for the strength gains to get going. Anyway, could talk about phera forever, if you want more discussion make a new thread for it and i'll reply, or PM me
hard iron
Member
Na brother it's cool, you went above and beyond with answering my question haha, good detailed info. I got a better idea of how I might do things in the future with my phera. Appreciate it man. Lookin forward to seeing how the superdrol deal turns out for ya,the "bunk" one and the Sd-1 or whatever it's called if you decide to take it after, not alot of logs on that particular clone so again I'm sure alot of eyes will be on your updates haha.
CompEdgeLabs
Board Sponsor
An apology is warranted when a company has done something wrong. Fact is from our end, we tested the raws, and they tested out. Then we tested the finished product (at a different place) and it tested out. Even after my first posts in this thread, I had the lab rerun their retention sample and yet again the same results. I can say that I am sorry that the results being seen arent what is expected, but the quality on the product is fine.
You can theorize that in a batch of products that are thousands of bottles, that maybe a bad one came out here and there due to a mixing error, but thats why you have things tested, and we havent had any test to indicate that being the case.
The testing is done vs the actual Superdrol standard, so there isnt an isomer issue. It was well discussed time and time again why we labeled it the way we did.
That wouldnt fit though because it was tested vs actual SD standards.
Do you realize how many thousands of bottles of Mdrol has been sold ??8 people not getting results does'nt qualify it as a bad batch. Like i said before you are welcome to have it tested for yourself
It's a frustrating point in a thread like this when we have done everything right from our end and people still arent responding to something. We do more testing per batch than any company that has ever made these types of products, and even when we post the results, it doesnt seem to be good enough.
crazyfool405
Banned
i went a little nutty with it
60mg was really nice while on test ... 80mg was a little much but did not experience any sides at that dose.
so as far as a sweet spot, couldnt help you 40 worked well for me the first cycle of it.
CompEdgeLabs
Board Sponsor
I did want to go a step further with this though. This is an offer to the people that say they havent responded - if anyone bought more than one bottle, and still has a bottle of it - if you want to send me a sealed bottle, I will have it tested. Has to be sealed though.
I have quality reports for the quality of every kg in the batch, and then again for the finished product. But since some people still say they arent responding, I will send off one of their sealed bottles for testing. That way the test results can be traced back to someone here in this individual thread.
One more note: Anyone that has anything hateful to say about our quality or us doing anything intentionally needs to look back at the amount of product that we replaced in the past when an issue like this happened before. We tested a batch of M-Drol numerous times and then when a few people said they didnt respond, we tested it another time. Even though it tested out fine that time as well, we still exchanged out any bottles that people werent comfortable with. Thats as good as you will get for customer service from any company.
Also, I find it ironic that we can post test results over and over and people still have negative things to say and insinuations to make, yet the same people rarely if ever ask other companies for their test results to begin with.
I have quality reports for the quality of every kg in the batch, and then again for the finished product. But since some people still say they arent responding, I will send off one of their sealed bottles for testing. That way the test results can be traced back to someone here in this individual thread.
One more note: Anyone that has anything hateful to say about our quality or us doing anything intentionally needs to look back at the amount of product that we replaced in the past when an issue like this happened before. We tested a batch of M-Drol numerous times and then when a few people said they didnt respond, we tested it another time. Even though it tested out fine that time as well, we still exchanged out any bottles that people werent comfortable with. Thats as good as you will get for customer service from any company.
Also, I find it ironic that we can post test results over and over and people still have negative things to say and insinuations to make, yet the same people rarely if ever ask other companies for their test results to begin with.
CompEdgeLabs
Board Sponsor
You are right, there is honestly nothing that is going to appease some people.
It wouldnt be an issue of me saying what it was or wasnt, we dont just say hey it tests out as _____, we post the lab report to back it up. From a company perspective, thats all any company can do is test the products before and after production, and in this case, we are going a step further in offering to test again to pacify everyone that has had problems.
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
I think the test an end-user like myself appreciates the most is a field test such as what I'm doing here.
As it is i've gone through half a bottle of Mdrol in 10 days and I can't be sure if i have felt anything at all from it.
Has my body stopped responding to superdrol? I'll find out in 2 weeks when I switch clones (BTW still looking for feedback on SD-1)
As it is i've gone through half a bottle of Mdrol in 10 days and I can't be sure if i have felt anything at all from it.
Has my body stopped responding to superdrol? I'll find out in 2 weeks when I switch clones (BTW still looking for feedback on SD-1)
CompEdgeLabs
Board Sponsor
I agree that the translation into real world results is what means most. But also from a company side of things, we do more quality testing than any other company that makes/made these types of products. And when you test things over and over, and they test out fine, and then some people still seem to be having problems responding, its frustrating. Especially when you have had the items in question tested at two seperate places because that rules out lab error. So I see your side of things, but hope you see mine as well.
That is why I made the above offer that I made.
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
I totally see your side of things and see the origin of the frustration. The difference is that I no longer have faith in the test results. I still think the only way to be sure is for me to try it out. So I am doing that personally. I've got the rest of this bottle, and i've got a sealed bottle of 092107 as well, so potentially more people with Superdrol experience could try this.
CompEdgeLabs
Board Sponsor
The thing there is we test the products at two seperate places and yet we are getting grilled here, whereas many companies dont test at all, and I'm not aware of any that use two seperate places. Irregardless, that part of the issue has been beaten to death.
I'll be glad to send your sealed bottle and have it tested if you'd like. And I will point out for people that have questioned our customer service response to this that I seriously doubt you have ever or will ever see any company making this offer to people.
If you are not up for that, maybe someone else thats reporting it to be problematic will be.
jerrysiii
Member
Looks like several of us have this batch. I also just purchased 4 bottles from NP. Very interested to see how you make out. When do you start your cycle?
supra888
New member
Do you reckon Methadrol is now the best SD clone available.. ? or should i say most reliable...?
supra888
New member
Am startin that run next monday jerry,i wasnt planning on logging it but i can PM anybody thats interested regarding sides and gains... really hoping its not bunk !
Dragon13
Active member
Thanks for the info. That may well be, but if I recall, the lab report shows the M-drol testing out against an A/B isomer. Older lab reports show testing for the specific isomers. Why there was a change made in the testing method, I don't know. But the SD standard should be the A isomer, not the A/B isomer.
If there is something I'm missing I'm all ears.
I think it would be a great idea, provided that the test is for the true SD molecule (A isomer), and comes from a different lab. I'm of the opinion at this point that, since Research Triangle Labs has apparently tested everything out at 99+% purity, why not get that verified by another lab.
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
Day 11
didn't take any SD just wanted to weigh in to see where i'm at
weighed in at 218
Started at 216. I usually gain a pound from my carb up day, and I can be up an additional pound after my 5 consecutive lift days since they involve carbs, so 218 would be perfectly normal at this point. That last pound is subject to drop off now because I've got 2 consecutive keto days.
TO RECAP EVERYTHING,
half a bottle of Mdrol in 10 days and i'm up 2 pounds, whereas my natural rate of gaining would have me up 1-2 pounds at this point, with the last pound subject to dropping off over my next 2 keto days.
My workouts were normal, the workout on day 10 seemed above average, other than that I noticed no side effects or the general effects that I was looking for (hardness, vascularity, 24/7 pumps, back pumps, etc)
I am taking 2 weeks off and then I will be starting SD1 at 30mg to try to compare to 40mg of this Mdrol... I am afraid to do 40mg of Superdrol so I'll start at 30. I plan to run 30/20/10 and try to put the first 10 days of that in direct comparison with the Mdrol cycle.
Diet training will not change
I'll take questions but i am not planning to update this until 2 weeks when I start my SD-1 comparison. Over the next 2 weeks i may slow down my gains esp. if i hit 220 because even when attempting to lean bulk and doing so much keto/cardio, you see I can gain weight fairly easily, this is because some is fat... it's almost impossible for me to lean-bulk naturally.
didn't take any SD just wanted to weigh in to see where i'm at
weighed in at 218
Started at 216. I usually gain a pound from my carb up day, and I can be up an additional pound after my 5 consecutive lift days since they involve carbs, so 218 would be perfectly normal at this point. That last pound is subject to drop off now because I've got 2 consecutive keto days.
TO RECAP EVERYTHING,
half a bottle of Mdrol in 10 days and i'm up 2 pounds, whereas my natural rate of gaining would have me up 1-2 pounds at this point, with the last pound subject to dropping off over my next 2 keto days.
My workouts were normal, the workout on day 10 seemed above average, other than that I noticed no side effects or the general effects that I was looking for (hardness, vascularity, 24/7 pumps, back pumps, etc)
I am taking 2 weeks off and then I will be starting SD1 at 30mg to try to compare to 40mg of this Mdrol... I am afraid to do 40mg of Superdrol so I'll start at 30. I plan to run 30/20/10 and try to put the first 10 days of that in direct comparison with the Mdrol cycle.
Diet training will not change
I'll take questions but i am not planning to update this until 2 weeks when I start my SD-1 comparison. Over the next 2 weeks i may slow down my gains esp. if i hit 220 because even when attempting to lean bulk and doing so much keto/cardio, you see I can gain weight fairly easily, this is because some is fat... it's almost impossible for me to lean-bulk naturally.