DIESEL TEST PRO-CYCLE....ITS HERE!

Just saw on Yahoo Sports NBA's Rashard Lewis of the Magic was found to have elvated T levels from an over the counter supp. Had DHEA, the stupid league has it on the ban list. You'd think he would know that! Duh. He'll miss the first 15 games or something like that. Lame IMO.
 
REEVESDIESEL said:
Just saw on Yahoo Sports NBA's Rashard Lewis of the Magic was found to have elvated T levels from an over the counter supp. Had DHEA, the stupid league has it on the ban list. You'd think he would know that! Duh. He'll miss the first 15 games or something like that. Lame IMO.
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Yup, automatic 10 game suspension. Which is funny because you get 3 warnings for marijuana. On the 3rd you get a couple game suspension. First 2 are warnings. :sigh1:

And speaking of, Chuck, should I run this, DTP, along side of a PH? Or should i stop it and run it or maybe DTH instead only in the post?
 
REEVESDIESEL said:
Just saw on Yahoo Sports NBA's Rashard Lewis of the Magic was found to have elvated T levels from an over the counter supp. Had DHEA, the stupid league has it on the ban list. You'd think he would know that! Duh. He'll miss the first 15 games or something like that. Lame IMO.
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He probably was on something else, and his T/E ratio was off. For him to just have "elevated" test levels and fail, his levels had to be like over say 1600 and he should be at like 600-800. People always fail drug test and be like "ohh I was just on Vit. C tabs" He didnt fail a DHEA test cuz there is no such test.
 
BrandonSS said:
And speaking of, Chuck, should I run this, DTP, along side of a PH? Or should i stop it and run it or maybe DTH instead only in the post?
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I always say people start the DT products the last 10 days or so of a PH. Only thing I tell people to run on cycle is something like Sunami, that way ur girl doesnt lose it cuz you dont want to put out.
 
Tribal, im sure it would still help libido and increase aggression in the gym. Probably all the regular effects. I dont think it would work help with test the just because ur body probably is done producing test while ur getting it from another source.

Anyone else have crazy dreams while taking this? Every night since i started taking DTP/DTH ive been getting some crazy, vivid dreams. Intense.
 
hey chuck mind answering my question on post #99? it would make more sense to me also to run the dtp after the clomid or like 3 weeks into the clomid since my hpta will be restarted then i can get greater increases in aggression and testosterone no? Please elaborate on your reasoning of running iot the last week of the cycle. Thanks

I'm really confused on why you would recommend running it my last week of my cycle my HPTA won't respond to the ingredients cause the esters from the AAS are still there.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
I always say people start the DT products the last 10 days or so of a PH. Only thing I tell people to run on cycle is something like Sunami, that way ur girl doesnt lose it cuz you dont want to put out.
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proviron would solve that problem at only 25mg ed i personally use 50mg but off cycle DTHC is the ****!!!
 
tribaltek said:
Chuck - What would be the effect of this product for someone that is on TRT (100mg Test Cyp/wk)?
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had a few calls from guys who used it with test cyp they were on for low test levels, they all had much higher test levels on DTH and test cyp. Same should happen with DTP.

joeymutz said:
hey chuck mind answering my question on post #99? it would make more sense to me also to run the dtp after the clomid or like 3 weeks into the clomid since my hpta will be restarted then i can get greater increases in aggression and testosterone no? Please elaborate on your reasoning of running iot the last week of the cycle. Thanks

I'm really confused on why you would recommend running it my last week of my cycle my HPTA won't respond to the ingredients cause the esters from the AAS are still there.
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I did answer the question, he just re-asked it.

If your confused don't listen to my directions and use it when ur done with ur cycle. Its better to start when i said so its working at full force when ur cycle stops. U dont want to come off the cycle and then need say 5-10 days for DTP to kick in.
 
Chucks right, it will take a few days to get up to speed in your system. I mean, I noticed some effects right off, but they get better as your system is exposed to it more and over a prolonged period.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
had a few calls from guys who used it with test cyp they were on for low test levels, they all had much higher test levels on DTH and test cyp. Same should happen with DTP.
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Good deal. I have a ton of DTH laying around right now, so I'll get through that first and then transition to DTP. :mischievous:
 
subweevil said:
Chucks right, it will take a few days to get up to speed in your system. I mean, I noticed some effects right off, but they get better as your system is exposed to it more and over a prolonged period.
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Bingo, nail on the head bro.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
had a few calls from guys who used it with test cyp they were on for low test levels, they all had much higher test levels on DTH and test cyp. Same should happen with DTP.



I did answer the question, he just re-asked it.

If your confused don't listen to my directions and use it when ur done with ur cycle. Its better to start when i said so its working at full force when ur cycle stops. U dont want to come off the cycle and then need say 5-10 days for DTP to kick in.
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Actually that's what i wanted i'd rather finish my Pct or start the last week of my PCT then it still has time to build up. just running it the last week of a cycle on paper makes no sense since your body won't respond to it anyway so in reality you would be wasting about 2 weeks of the product because the esters haven't cleared yet unless your running suspension then that's a whole different ball game. It's like guys that run HCG in their PCT makes no sense your LH is not going to respond because your testes are still receiving a signal from the HCG not naturally. I was hoping for a scientific explanation that's why i asked the question again. I looked at the bottle i have and it says nothing on how to use it during A PCT just as a standalone.

Not trying to argue at all I would just like an explanation of how this is going to help me recover when i would be running it for 3 weeks by the time the esters cleared my body. seems like a waste to me. I think i'll stick with running it my last week of use with my clomid that way i know I'm not wasting any of the product. I feel your theory may be a little flawed. if you like we can take it to a PM to discuss it maybe I'm missing something here and you can explain better if you have the time.
 
tnubs said:
Anyone else have crazy dreams while taking this? Every night since i started taking DTP/DTH ive been getting some crazy, vivid dreams. Intense.
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I hear you man, that was the first effect I noticed from the pro-cycle double or nothing stack (other then having to uptuck my manhood every 5 min.)
 
Hey chuck, I'm sure its been asked but as a loyal DT warrior I must know..now you said DTP has DHEA in it..which can convert to estrogen? But I suppose theres some properties in DTP that prevents it? Also I read that a person should only take 50-100mgs of dhea, but 6 dtp is 120mg i'm sure its nothing but I just have to ask lol
 
Fatal Wisdom said:
Hey chuck, I'm sure its been asked but as a loyal DT warrior I must know..now you said DTP has DHEA in it..which can convert to estrogen? But I suppose theres some properties in DTP that prevents it? Also I read that a person should only take 50-100mgs of dhea, but 6 dtp is 120mg i'm sure its nothing but I just have to ask lol
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DTP has DIM in it, which works as a anti-estrogen. So that should help.

How many pills are you taking? 6 is a lot, im taking 3 a day and its more than enough.
 
Fatal Wisdom said:
Hey chuck, I'm sure its been asked but as a loyal DT warrior I must know..now you said DTP has DHEA in it..which can convert to estrogen? But I suppose theres some properties in DTP that prevents it? Also I read that a person should only take 50-100mgs of dhea, but 6 dtp is 120mg i'm sure its nothing but I just have to ask lol
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6 dtp has 60mg of dhea
 
Hmm didn;t know DTP had a stim in it..I think im just gunna go with DTH and sunami for now..since i'm still recomping..because I have pre w/o stims (no shotgun) would it be safe to stack those?
 
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I may be wrong here but it says, serving size is 2, but amount per TAB so.. each tab would have 20mg
 
Fatal Wisdom said:
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I may be wrong here but it says, serving size is 2, but amount per TAB so.. each tab would have 20mg
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Oh wow, I just caught that. I was under the impression the listed numbers were for one serving. I'll text chuck n ask him.
 
Hmm didn;t know DTP had a stim in it..
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I'm really sensitive to stims, but DTP is really mild to me, actually, it's pretty much spot on for me. I think you'd be fine with it man. Either one will really intensify the NO Shotgun effects, just like the do for JP8 and NOS Ether.
 
To be honest I think intensifying the no shotgun wouldnt be good! seeing how that alone usually makes me wild, hey sub how do you feel DTP compares to DTH/sunami?

Last winter I had tried DTH 2010/DTH +ether and all that but im easing my way back up but that stack made me strong as ****
 
Well, I'm older than you by a bit, so the ingredients in DTP I feel benefit me more, but I think you'd like it as well. The good thing about it intensifying things is for me, it makes me able to use anywhere form 1/2 to a tad bit more of a scoop of JP8, which I normally only need about 3/4 scoop, so I'm saving money since it lasts longer, and that rocks. Same now for NOS Ether, I had to cut back what I was using, the labels dosing, because the pumps were getting so nuts. I'm currently using both DTH and DTP, and I must say they really compliment each other nicely. I pop 2 DTH/1DTP around 6a.m., then 1 DTH at 1p.m. and again at 4p.m., then 2DTH and 2DTP 'round 7 before hitting the gym. Depending on how I'm feeling, I might cut my DTP back to one before the gym. I'm using the 240 count DTH by the way. I like DTH stacked with DTP better than when I ran DTH stacked with Sunami. This new version doesn't make me lethargic at all, and I'm still noticing all the good stuff I did when I ran DTH/Sunami. Quite happy at how it's working out for me. I was gonna log it, but work and other things are really keeping me form a detailed log on it, but I'm real happy I picked em' up. I got some pretty sick pumps from the samples of NO Shotgun I tried, both version 2 and 3, but nowhere cloes to the endurance from stacking JP8/NOS Ether. Adding DTP or DTH to that is going to make it nuts, I'm not kidding. I had to tinker with my doses, since I was getting so damn pumped form just warming up, and I'm doing low reps right now. Good luck!!
 
subweevil said:
Chucks right, it will take a few days to get up to speed in your system. I mean, I noticed some effects right off, but they get better as your system is exposed to it more and over a prolonged period.
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take a good 5-7 days to kick in for me - you need to factor this in coming off cycle
 
Fatal Wisdom said:
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I may be wrong here but it says, serving size is 2, but amount per TAB so.. each tab would have 20mg
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I talked to Chuck, he said the label is for one serving (2 tabs). So each tab has 10mg dhea
 
Alright awesome, one last thing, the yohimbine bother anyone? I took it in a fat burner (levi reloaded) Didn't notice too much however I've researched it better now and can not find one article saying anything positive in it..in fact most say too much can result in death lol

I doubt the dose is that high..

but having a background with anxiety and panic attacks what not just concerned

Also taking dtp PRE w/o along with a stim not be smart?
 
Fatal Wisdom said:
Alright awesome, one last thing, the yohimbine bother anyone? I took it in a fat burner (levi reloaded) Didn't notice too much however I've researched it better now and can not find one article saying anything positive in it..in fact most say too much can result in death lol

I doubt the dose is that high..

but having a background with anxiety and panic attacks what not just concerned

Also taking dtp PRE w/o along with a stim not be smart?
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Im probably the only one on the planet that it bothers. Nobody else seems to have any problems, i have naturally high blood pressure and when anythings mixed with it, it jumps fast. Although i wouldnt blame the yohimbine. Its gotta be something else in it. Chuck posted on my log the amount and it was pretty small. Something like 2mg for 3 pills or something. Most fat burners have 5mg-ish. no-shotgun made me feel like garbage. DTP is pure goodness.
 
Correct. Chuck said it was like 2 mgs. per dose, nothing major. I'm quite happy with it, gives me just enough oomph, along with the other goodies. Yohimbe in the past really bothered me, stomach and all, but this I'm fine with. Might wanna look into some Hawthorne Berry Tnubs, stuff is for lowering blood pressure. Cycle Support is good for that , among other things. I'm sure your diet is dialed in, but that might also help ease some of it as well. Anything that makes you retain fluid will also raise blood pressure. I'm no expert, just throwing out some ideas.
 
subweevil said:
Correct. Chuck said it was like 2 mgs. per dose, nothing major. I'm quite happy with it, gives me just enough oomph, along with the other goodies. Yohimbe in the past really bothered me, stomach and all, but this I'm fine with. Might wanna look into some Hawthorne Berry Tnubs, stuff is for lowering blood pressure. Cycle Support is good for that , among other things. I'm sure your diet is dialed in, but that might also help ease some of it as well. Anything that makes you retain fluid will also raise blood pressure. I'm no expert, just throwing out some ideas.
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Ya, im usually on hawthorn berry but i ran out like a month ago, havnt gotten around to goin to get more but i think i might now... or some celery seed extract yumm. Does creatine increase BP? I havnt heard anyone mention that, but it does help retain water. Im sure working at five guys and eating burgers there 3 times a week doesnt help cuz the red meat I know is bad for u.
 
Red meat isn't bad, in moderation, just like most anything else. the fats in it are good for keep testosterone in check. Flank steak is a good choice. I was thinking more along the lines of glycerol, which, don't get me wrong, I like, but not when I'm worried about BP. I've read some that say creatine does, but not as much as to cause concern. In my own experience, it raises it very marginally, not enough to worry me at all. However, if I take something with glycerol in it, I'm wasting half my night in the bathroom pissing it out. There's good to come of that, but not when I'm worried about my BP. My main idea is that it's all cumulative. Alone, one thing isn't bad, but when it's added to others, it's adverse affect can increase. I'm sure others have input on this as well.
 
tnubs said:
Ya, im usually on hawthorn berry but i ran out like a month ago, havnt gotten around to goin to get more but i think i might now... or some celery seed extract yumm. Does creatine increase BP? I havnt heard anyone mention that, but it does help retain water. Im sure working at five guys and eating burgers there 3 times a week doesnt help cuz the red meat I know is bad for u.
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5 Guys is on of my FAVS! I get my grub to go, but I eat it there and fill up my bag with the peanuts. So freakin' GOOD.

Also, another great place for a kick ass burger is Teds Montana Grill, GET THE BISON! YUM.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
You know me and Trip was talking about how people gonna ask can they stack DTP and DTH and on paper it seems like you should just use one or the other, but with DTP having a "delayed" enteric release and DTH 240ct being a "bam" in your face DT product, when you stack these, they actually work really well. You would just do like:

If you on say 5 DTH day, just do 1 DTP/1 DTH am, same mid-day, and a DTH early PM

or for a pre-workout "OMFG WTF" workout, do 2 DTP, 2 or 3 DTH, versus 4 DTP.

Or if your like some of my friends and using like 10 DTH tabs a day....you can replace 3 of those with DTP....

I know a guy using 7 DTH pre and 7 Post workout (240ct)! He was doing 4 120 cts pre and 4 post. I knew something was up becuase seriously he got a little 2 strong 2 fast. Im not BS you guys to try this high ass DTH dose, I was just saying. Max of the 240ct's Ive ever used in a day is about 5, 2 AM and 3 preworkout.
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Chuck help over here got a few questions.

1 which is more potent cap per cap basis the dth 120 or the 240 ct???

2 Ok, here i come 2nd question:
im currently around 9%bf with a 6 pack and im going for 5% in 6-8 wks. With that said, im thinking about doing the dth and dtp stack. However my concern is with the dhea in the dtp, will it make me retain water??? cause i plan to keep dry as possible and dont wan anything that will make me carry extra water. I heard the dhea does this. Would the pregnenolon be bad also in terms of fat loss???.

3 Finally, i want some strong **** to keep or even gain slight muscle while i diet down to this bf goal, need all the help i can get in the gym, pumps, mindset, aggressivness, you name it. , what ya recommend!!. Would the dtp plus dth (tell me what count) suffice??
Im 150 at 8-9% bf 5-10 25yrs old, what dose/schedule do you think will help me best.

Thanks chuck.
 
Question:

I've taken both DTH and DTP (DTH was approx 4 months ago)

Dosing was 5x tabs a day. 1st few weeks things were great, made great progress at the gym, high energy, but as far as the libido, nada. No increase really at all, and in fact, after a few weeks libido is in the toilet.

Last time I took the DTH, same thing hapenned...libido went buh-bye within a few weeks, but returned once I stopped completely.

I've read some take 3 tabs...others take 4, since they had the same issues. At this point I decided to stop for a week, and try either 3-4 tabs when re-starting.

What is a good place to start (3 or 4?) so that I am actually getting benefit from the product? Since my gym hours are late (usually get there about 10 pm), what would be the best hours to take the tablets?

And please don't flame me, I am just trying to get this to work correctly
 
Fava Beans said:
Question:

I've taken both DTH and DTP (DTP was approx 4 months ago)

Dosing was 5x tabs a day. 1st few weeks things were great, made great progress at the gym, high energy, but as far as the libido, nada. No increase really at all, and in fact, after a few weeks libido is in the toilet.

Last time I took the DTH, same thing hapenned...libido went buh-bye within a few weeks, but returned once I stopped completely.

I've read some take 3 tabs...others take 4, since they had the same issues. At this point I decided to stop for a week, and try either 3-4 tabs when re-starting.

What is a good place to start (3 or 4?) so that I am actually getting benefit from the product? Since my gym hours are late (usually get there about 10 pm), what would be the best hours to take the tablets?

And please don't flame me, I am just trying to get this to work correctly
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DTP wasn't even out 4 months ago.
 
Fava Beans said:
Question:

I've taken both DTH and DTP (DTP was approx 4 months ago)

Dosing was 5x tabs a day. 1st few weeks things were great, made great progress at the gym, high energy, but as far as the libido, nada. No increase really at all, and in fact, after a few weeks libido is in the toilet.

Last time I took the DTH, same thing hapenned...libido went buh-bye within a few weeks, but returned once I stopped completely.

I've read some take 3 tabs...others take 4, since they had the same issues. At this point I decided to stop for a week, and try either 3-4 tabs when re-starting.

What is a good place to start (3 or 4?) so that I am actually getting benefit from the product? Since my gym hours are late (usually get there about 10 pm), what would be the best hours to take the tablets?

And please don't flame me, I am just trying to get this to work correctly
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Waiting for an answer for this one.
 
Darkman265 said:
Waiting for an answer for this one.
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How old are you?
Just follow the direction, it says when it loses it's effect to take some time off or lower the dosage. Everyone I've talked to on forums has responded to all of Get Diesel products. Are you taking with meals?

Play around some with the times your taking them.
 
REEVESDIESEL said:
How old are you?
Just follow the direction, it says when it loses it's effect to take some time off or lower the dosage. Everyone I've talked to on forums has responded to all of Get Diesel products. Are you taking with meals?

Play around some with the times your taking them.
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(1) I have followed the directions, I am just having a negative side effect, which is why I am here asking a question.

(2) I have tried different times with the pills/different amounts. I didn't want to go over five pills since I had the same negative effect with DTH.

Example: 2 tabs afternoon/2 pre workout/1 post
1 tab afternoon/2 pre workout/2 post
1 tab afternoon/3 pre workout/1 post

(3) I've taken the tablets either before or after a meal (per the instructions)

(4) I have purchased from Get Diesel before, and I am not slamming his products, nor amd I saying that I didn't get any response except the negative, in fact I have had great results with the exception of the above. I happen to like what Chuck sells and could not wait for DTP. Why the insinuation otherwise?

(5) What exactly does my age have to do with this? I am not 18 or 21, nor someone that cannot read instructions on a bottle.

(6) The only reason I am asking a question, is that I read others have had the same issue with DTH, and the fix was dropping the dosage. I just wanted to find out what time they were taking the dosage and the amount, or if anyone else had the same issue with DTP that was all.

Thanks,

Fava Beans
 
Fava Beans said:
Question:

I've taken both DTH and DTP (DTH was approx 4 months ago)

Dosing was 5x tabs a day. 1st few weeks things were great, made great progress at the gym, high energy, but as far as the libido, nada. No increase really at all, and in fact, after a few weeks libido is in the toilet.

Last time I took the DTH, same thing hapenned...libido went buh-bye within a few weeks, but returned once I stopped completely.

I've read some take 3 tabs...others take 4, since they had the same issues. At this point I decided to stop for a week, and try either 3-4 tabs when re-starting.

What is a good place to start (3 or 4?) so that I am actually getting benefit from the product? Since my gym hours are late (usually get there about 10 pm), what would be the best hours to take the tablets?

And please don't flame me, I am just trying to get this to work correctly
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it dont matter, when u wake up, 3/4 hours later, and 3/4 hours after that or preworkout.
 
DTP-AND OLDER GUYS

i will be turning 51 in sept, and have been using different versions of dthc for over 3 years now. some versions have worked better than others, but all were effective. i found that adding raw test to dthc worked wonders for me, i felt fantastic on it. raw test got discontinued and i haven't used any diesel products since then. i saw in the dtp write up that the raw test ingredients were being added to dtp, i knew i had to try it. i received my dtp on saturday and took my first dose right away. i have been dosing at 2/3/3 for 3 days on 1 off and 2 on 1 off tomorrow is an off day. well today is day 6 and i feel great. nothing but good thngs to say about dtp, it is even better than dthc and raw test combined. this is by far the best diesel product i have used. libido and erection strength are vastly improved, and work is not the challenge it had become. my strength and vigor are much better, and i have even had enough in the tank to go to gym after work. congratulations chuck, on your finest product to date. btw i still miss the original r4w, i remember how reaper and i used to compare notes on how good it was.
 
thebigt said:
i will be turning 51 in sept, and have been using different versions of dthc for over 3 years now. some versions have worked better than others, but all were effective. i found that adding raw test to dthc worked wonders for me, i felt fantastic on it. raw test got discontinued and i haven't used any diesel products since then. i saw in the dtp write up that the raw test ingredients were being added to dtp, i knew i had to try it. i received my dtp on saturday and took my first dose right away. i have been dosing at 2/3/3 for 3 days on 1 off and 2 on 1 off tomorrow is an off day. well today is day 6 and i feel great. nothing but good thngs to say about dtp, it is even better than dthc and raw test combined. this is by far the best diesel product i have used. libido and erection strength are vastly improved, and work is not the challenge it had become. my strength and vigor are much better, and i have even had enough in the tank to go to gym after work. congratulations chuck, on your finest product to date. btw i still miss the original r4w, i remember how reaper and i used to compare notes on how good it was.
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hey thanks for the feedback, esp since you've been using it for so ling.

The original R4W powder or the original 3 cap serving capsules?
 
thebigt said:
i will be turning 51 in sept, and have been using different versions of dthc for over 3 years now. some versions have worked better than others, but all were effective. i found that adding raw test to dthc worked wonders for me, i felt fantastic on it. raw test got discontinued and i haven't used any diesel products since then. i saw in the dtp write up that the raw test ingredients were being added to dtp, i knew i had to try it. i received my dtp on saturday and took my first dose right away. i have been dosing at 2/3/3 for 3 days on 1 off and 2 on 1 off tomorrow is an off day. well today is day 6 and i feel great. nothing but good thngs to say about dtp, it is even better than dthc and raw test combined. this is by far the best diesel product i have used. libido and erection strength are vastly improved, and work is not the challenge it had become. my strength and vigor are much better, and i have even had enough in the tank to go to gym after work. congratulations chuck, on your finest product to date. btw i still miss the original r4w, i remember how reaper and i used to compare notes on how good it was.
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I agree, DTP is a lot stronger. I can tell a big difference on days I take DTP compared to just DTH.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
hey thanks for the feedback, esp since you've been using it for so ling.

The original R4W powder or the original 3 cap serving capsules?
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3 cap serving. rpm was hot at the time and me and reaper caught a lot of crap for saying r4w was much much better. even had mods coming on thread to warn us. hey, just speaking truth! btw i had blood test done just before starting dtp, everything normal except 'very low testosterone level'. my doc is making me see an endo for treatment, i think he will do anther blood test. will let you know if any improvement on dtp.
 
thebigt said:
3 cap serving. rpm was hot at the time and me and reaper caught a lot of crap for saying r4w was much much better. even had mods coming on thread to warn us. hey, just speaking truth! btw i had blood test done just before starting dtp, everything normal except 'very low testosterone level'. my doc is making me see an endo for treatment, i think he will do anther blood test. will let you know if any improvement on dtp.
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blood test on DTP would be excellent, definetly post it on here. im sure a lot of ppl would want to see that, and it may make some believers out of ppl who are skeptical to try it. im a month into it now and wish i would have looked into a blood test before i tried it to see how its impacted my test level
 
thebigt said:
3 cap serving. rpm was hot at the time and me and reaper caught a lot of crap for saying r4w was much much better. even had mods coming on thread to warn us. hey, just speaking truth! btw i had blood test done just before starting dtp, everything normal except 'very low testosterone level'. my doc is making me see an endo for treatment, i think he will do anther blood test. will let you know if any improvement on dtp.
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yeah for sure. also I remember that, thats when everyone and their mom was on RPM/DRIVE. I meet some applied cats at the Arnold, cool people.
 
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