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ATD......banned

Guess what we have nothing to blame but ourselfs because we dont vote Libertarian , Libertarians are the only political party to say all drugs should be legal , I might add Libertarians are 3rd largest political Party go vote join them today and protect your Liberty. I might add they dont have to always win to help protect our Liberty just have enough members to scare the hell out of the regulators and do gooders that think they know whats good for you and have to force you to do things there way.
 
-2z- said:
Yup. Look how long it took them to even think about doing anything about transfats. Not to mention HFCS is linked to cancer and all kinds of maladies, but that's pumped into all kind of food on a day to day basis.

Hmmm.... 110,000 deaths each year from obesity related issues, but your attacking a supplement to assist athletic individuals?
The misplaced efforts are mind boggling.
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But the government loves you, and if you don't think so, you're a terrorist.

May I ask you a question.. why do you hate America???? You hate the fact that we're free and we stand for freedom.. is that it?:dunno:
 
Ubiyca said:
But the government loves you, and if you don't think so, you're a terrorist.

May I ask you a question.. why do you hate America???? You hate the fact that we're free and we stand for freedom.. is that it?:dunno:
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So lets do somthing about it.

How??

Well I'm not sure.

Thing that gets me is that on TV that kids of all ages see, are the ads from hi colest, to birth control drugs.
And they say flat out these drugs can cause heart probs, mood swings, sudden death ect.
But if a Doc can write it, and it can be taxed .... Well I guess that is just swell in the books.

UNREAL!!!!

JP.
 
jp17815 said:
So lets do somthing about it.

How??

Well I'm not sure.

Thing that gets me is that on TV that kids of all ages see, are the ads from hi colest, to birth control drugs.
And they say flat out these drugs can cause heart probs, mood swings, sudden death ect.
But if a Doc can write it, and it can be taxed .... Well I guess that is just swell in the books.

UNREAL!!!!

JP.
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Hey JP,

There's not much we can do, I understand and share your anger and frustration though. Money runs the world and those with money run the world.

This is just a tinyyyyyy part of the bigger picture which is extremely terrifying to me.
 
jp17815 said:
So lets do somthing about it.

How??

Well I'm not sure.

Thing that gets me is that on TV that kids of all ages see, are the ads from hi colest, to birth control drugs.
And they say flat out these drugs can cause heart probs, mood swings, sudden death ect.
But if a Doc can write it, and it can be taxed .... Well I guess that is just swell in the books.

UNREAL!!!!

JP.
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You would never see a single commercial in 99% of the rest of the world advertising medication. In places like Australia they have professional sportsmen doing ads to encourage children to eat fruit like Banana's, can't say I have ever seen many commercials like that here. The only thing I can think of is the one's with the NFL players encouraging kids to be active.
 
Irish Cannon said:
It really is sad to see where things are going in the supplement industry, not to mention everything else in our country. :(
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I hear ya bro.
Just unreal
Seems to me that it is only an issue if it is not controled by the Gov.
Somthing that just came up in the media was a script drug, that the FDA needed to clarify some issues on.
"If you have a TV you know what I mean"
But that is just all good.

And PLEASE dont't get me started on the anthrax immunization.

(USMC infantry here)
Well awhile ago.
JP.
 
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jp17815 said:
I hear ya bro.
Just unreal
Seems to me that it is only an issue if it is not controled by the Gov.
Somthing that just came up in the media was a script drug, that the FDA needed to clarify some issues on.
"If you have a TV you know what I mean"
But that is just all good.

And PLEASE dont't get me started on the anthrax immunization.

(USMC infantry here)
Well awhile ago.
JP.
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A lot of people get messed up from those vaccines? Tell me about that please, I'm interested to hear more
 
ntornado said:
You would never see a single commercial in 99% of the rest of the world advertising medication. In places like Australia they have professional sportsmen doing ads to encourage children to eat fruit like Banana's, can't say I have ever seen many commercials like that here. The only thing I can think of is the one's with the NFL players encouraging kids to be active.
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What parts of the world are you talking about, because the parts in which I have visited, there sure as hell are ads that flash about medicines, medications, medical treatments, etc...

There are ads with people talking about eating fruit, and eating healthy. I have no idea where you got this info from but it is slightly inaccurate. There are literally 30 commercials with basketball players talking about drinking healthy beverages (milk, water, pure fruit juices) and eating healthy.... really wondering where you're trying to come from on this one....
 
Delita420 said:
FDA banning sh1t will only make people resort to the black market. Essentially, the government is promoting the black market with these unreasonable bans.

ZOMG my buddy was arrested for making an illegal Vit B6 purchase. On top of that, his Vit B6 drug dealer was raided by the feds...
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So, what you're saying here is that because of the banning or compliance issues, more so, people will turn to the black market more now?

I really do not think that many people need a reason to go black market on many steroids or hormonal substances. It's like saying that the law promotes crack smoking because possession and distributing is illegal...
 
I will tell you this... if you want more freedoms in your supplement industry, you better start getting involved in at preserving the freedoms we have elsewhere.

Adams
 
All this banning is making me feel like this: :frustrate: :frustrate: :frustrate: And: :frustrate:
 
hardknock said:
So, what you're saying here is that because of the banning or compliance issues, more so, people will turn to the black market more now?

I really do not think that many people need a reason to go black market on many steroids or hormonal substances. It's like saying that the law promotes crack smoking because possession and distributing is illegal...
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So you are telling me if crack was legal it would still have extreme value on the black market?
 
capnsavem said:
yeah it's getting bad... the FDA just banned Cheez-it's, due to the unsafe levels of cheesy goodness they provide each and every one of us! :dunno:
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If they take my frosted flakes away heads are gonna roll! :usa1:
 
DAdams91982 said:
I will tell you this... if you want more freedoms in your supplement industry, you better start getting involved in at preserving the freedoms we have elsewhere.

Adams
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Honestly, I gave up.

I screamed and pleaded before, during and just after bush's 2 terms.

I was advising upon deaf hears and was labeled crazy and a conspiracist.

Even voting on the local and state level means nothing anymore.

I am just along for the ride,.................. until they come for my guns.

Enjoy.
 
i thought we live in the United States... by diff all drugs should be legal..that would get rid of all the gangs,80% of ppl wouldnt be in jail. cops could focus on real crimes. murder,rape,theft,etc.. so many toxins in the food,air and water and this is what they are worried about..the gov must be in on the black market some how...
 
ohiostate2827 said:
i thought we live in the United States... by diff all drugs should be legal..that would get rid of all the gangs,80% of ppl wouldnt be in jail. cops could focus on real crimes. murder,rape,theft,etc.. so many toxins in the food,air and water and this is what they are worried about..the gov must be in on the black market some how...
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ahh, a conspiracist in the house.......

welcome. lol
 
ShakesAllDay said:
Good luck getting Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline, etc. to jump off a cliff.
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They will gladly jump off any bridge as long as they land in a river of our money.

Zero V said:
I dont need luck. Just a .45 and a car....seriously pool a pot and make it worth my time....
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Zero - seriously man, I know you may be upset, and you may even think that you don't care, but statements like that will have you in a world of sh*t... fast! I wouldn't make statements like this, especially on the Internet. You don't have to take my advice, but I do know a little about our inner-workings.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
Honestly, I gave up.

I screamed and pleaded before, during and just after bush's 2 terms.

I was advising upon deaf hears and was labeled crazy and a conspiracist.

Even voting on the local and state level means nothing anymore.

I am just along for the ride,.................. until they come for my guns.

Enjoy.
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Smart man.. *thumbs up*
 
Kristofer68SS said:
Honestly, I gave up.

I screamed and pleaded before, during and just after bush's 2 terms.

I was advising upon deaf hears and was labeled crazy and a conspiracist.

Even voting on the local and state level means nothing anymore.

I am just along for the ride,.................. until they come for my guns.

Enjoy.
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You do realize this all started well before Bush right? or is that a feeble attempt to lay everything you have a problem with at his doorstep?

Adams
 
I'd say most supplements are already Gray market and yeah sometimes to obtain the more anabolic active ones you have to go Black market or outside the boarders. That being said what draws attention is these professional sports, Baseball mostly, which condemn the use of effective supplements because they categorize them as "steroids"

I think what triggers the FDA is when a pro athlete gets busted (A-Rod, Manny...ect....) then the FDA dogs go in to stir things up.

I also agree it is entirely driven by $$$. To obtain a pro contract is worth some serious coin and some may try to get an advantage using serious supplements.

We the casual user get caught up in all the commotion.

The good potential is that now new products will be engineered, but this process takes a long time, and eventually may later be determined to be FDA non-compliant. Its a vicious circle but no need to circle the wagons and start shooting ....yet !

just my 2 cent
 
It's unfortunate to ban something like ATD.

But supplements and vitamins are becoming more accepted now adays.

Just look at the enormous amount of people who (not bodybuilders) take fish oil.
 
DAdams91982 said:
You have to know kristopher before you make this assumption. We have debated before... laying 911 at Bush's doorstep as well.

Adams
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not quite, but close. I have no inclination to start a 911 debate. Its too late, all damage has been done and all benefits have been made.

For all intensive purposes, the presidents are essentially just front-men. There coat-tails change and some policy, but in the end, its two sides to the same coin.

Ubiyca- NWO,lol- do they call you crazy?

Like i said, I no longer plead nor debate. I am just along for the ride.

Enjoy.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
not quite, but close. I have no inclination to start a 911 debate. Its too late.

For all intensive purposes, the presidents are essentially just front-men. There coat-tails change and some policy, but in the end, its two sides to the same coin.

NWO- do they call you crazy?

Like i said, I no longer plead nor debate. I am just along for the ride.

Enjoy.
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I do agree with you on many points though... there really isn't a debate... any and all politicians are corrupt for a power grab.

Stock pile your guns, and non hybrid seeds!!!

Adams
 
RenegadeRows said:
It's unfortunate to ban something like ATD.

But supplements and vitamins are becoming more accepted now adays.

Just look at the enormous amount of people who (not bodybuilders) take fish oil.
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Its very unfortunate. At least our gov has our best interest in mind. lol

I cant believe the market for pet supplements-

Talk about expensive supplements....some of the dog supps are crazy.
 
It's all a big fuss, but Im natural... so it really doesn't affect me!
:P

But on the other hand, it does suck.. that they ban 6oxo, but there are phs still being sold? that does concern me... wtf?

id expect more, governments want more control... only a matter of time.

:D
 
FDA is on a Rampage not just us they are going after Cheerios too.................. just saw it on Yahoo front page
 
each time the gov bans something weather you are for it or not..thats just one more brick in the wall (pink floyd)slowly our kids arent goin to be able to do sh1t in this country when they become adults..i think most of them will be fine with it too..cuz they'll believe the BS
 
Ubiyca said:
But the government loves you, and if you don't think so, you're a terrorist.

May I ask you a question.. why do you hate America???? You hate the fact that we're free and we stand for freedom.. is that it?:dunno:
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Hehe... I absolutely LOVE my country and the work of the founding fathers that created it. I would just like them to spend my money a little more frugally.

I would also just like my government to remember that it's called "Uncle Sam" for a reason. That reason is because it's not my DAD. ;)
 
I feel lucky every time I see a "ban" thread since formestane keeps slipping through the cracks :head:
 
Delita420 said:
So you are telling me if crack was legal it would still have extreme value on the black market?
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That really holds little water. If you will, humor me, and list the number of products that ARE LEGAL and list how they still have ties to corruption. Hell, freaking flat screen televisions are legal yet people make millions a year selling stolen goods of electronics...


The "make it legal and it kills the attractiveness to the black market argument" is seriously flawed. I've seen this argument for 20 years and it's still flawed.

I see what you are saying and it would seem to make sense, but when comparing it side by side with other legal outlets, it really fails to make any points valid.

I'd bet 10 years off of my life that if crack was legalized and bottled up, plus sold for 50$ a bottle, you'd have idiots stealing it (just like they steal EVERYTHING ELSE) and selling it under the table...it'd be a million dollar, under the table industry.

You can not change human nature. Human nature is not to be truthful and trustworthy. That is not logical.
 
hardknock said:
That really holds little water. If you will, humor me, and list the number of products that ARE LEGAL and list how they still have ties to corruption. Hell, freaking flat screen televisions are legal yet people make millions a year selling stolen goods of electronics...


The "make it legal and it kills the attractiveness to the black market argument" is seriously flawed. I've seen this argument for 20 years and it's still flawed.

I see what you are saying and it would seem to make sense, but when comparing it side by side with other legal outlets, it really fails to make any points valid.

I'd bet 10 years off of my life that if crack was legalized and bottled up, plus sold for 50$ a bottle, you'd have idiots stealing it (just like they steal EVERYTHING ELSE) and selling it under the table...it'd be a million dollar, under the table industry.

You can not change human nature. Human nature is not to be truthful and trustworthy. That is not logical.
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This is all circumstantial... I want erection hard evidence!
 
The evidence is our own society.

People steal, lie, and cheat, it's human nature. Like I stated, there are a ton of legal outlets out there that people exploit for millions of dollars each year. There are tons of legal products out there that people kill another person over each year...

Take for instance, ticket scalping, stolen cars, trafficking guns, dealing in stolen electronics, and, let's not forget, meats and goods (yes, people make hundreds of thousands off of selling stolen meats and alcohol, under the table), these product generate millions of dollars each year under the table. None of these products are illegal. It's illegal to handle them in inappropriate ways, i.e. selling tickets over the value, stealing cars and taking them to chop shops, selling guns without a license to sell/distribute, riding around in a truck with 2,000 bucks worth of stolen steaks trying to sell them off to unsuspecting individuals, the list goes on.

All that I am saying is that simply legalizing drugs will not lower any of the criminal activity which accompanies them. Idiots kill another person over a damn cell phone; how would legalizing drugs thwart crime?
 
But, to answer the question.

If crack was legal, no it would not have extreme value on the black market. It would then be just another vice to promote criminal activity over another legal piece just like cigarettes, alcohol, guns, food, pampers, baby formula, electronics, etc)

That's just the way people are, it is that simple. I mean, just look, we argue about some damn ban of anything and there are people literally doing so much worse than some of us, yet we can not just say....it's good to be alive and doing well. NO, we have to cry about sh!t like this thread.

Just today, I spotted this 9 yr old girl when I went to therapy. This girl no longer can walk due to some type of disease which has taken use of her knees, so everything below just dangles...yet, she was pulling herself around on the floor, laughing, and having a good time with the other kids, adults, etc...i am like damn. If this little girl can have that taken away from her and still be in good spirits, then why the hell can't people that are more fortunate just be satisfied and quit b!tching...
 
ohiostate2827 said:
i thought we live in the United States... by diff all drugs should be legal..that would get rid of all the gangs,80% of ppl wouldnt be in jail. cops could focus on real crimes. murder,rape,theft,etc.. so many toxins in the food,air and water and this is what they are worried about..the gov must be in on the black market some how...
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i agree, but not "the gov" persay.

I have thought that idea before exactly but it really is a conspiracy theory, like the other dude said.

Of course there are PLENTY of crooked politicians, but not the whole gov.

Its way to complicated to pinpoint.

For shure the richest people in world, not on the Forbes list dont want drugs to be legalized, or anyone currently in the black market drug trade.

Drug billionaires would NOT want drugs to be legalized, all their business would dwindle a great deal. America is a huge market, especially cocaine.

However, ALOT of people dont think like me and you. I also believe in the absolute freedom of rights, as so you dont effect anyone else in doing so.

Of course there problems to legalizing meth,herion, ect.

But the debate,list of negatives and postives can a get a little long

overall, the positves of legalizing drugs outweigh the negatives BY FAR.
 
also no one mentioned legalizing prostitution.

Im not a proponent of, i dont do it.

It exists anyways, escorts.

You know what it is?

Image!

No politician will ever getting elected if he support prostitution drugs. Its a detterent for a lot of people. At least in our current times, things may change in a few decades.

Some people have balls like Ron Paul and the Libertarian Party.
 
hardknock said:
Take for instance, ticket scalping, stolen cars, trafficking guns, dealing in stolen electronics, and, let's not forget, meats and goods (yes, people make hundreds of thousands off of selling stolen meats and alcohol, under the table), these product generate millions of dollars each year under the table.
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you left out salt. at some restaurants, the waitresses who refill salt shakers actually steal salt to resell. Theres a whole underground market for that. Not much $ in it, but when you are a $2.65/hr waitress (plus tips) an extra $10 a week sounds good.
 
EasyEJL said:
you left out salt. at some restaurants, the waitresses who refill salt shakers actually steal salt to resell. Theres a whole underground market for that. Not much $ in it, but when you are a $2.65/hr waitress (plus tips) an extra $10 a week sounds good.
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Regardless of what, I am a big supporter of the fact that motivating our youth and educating them is way more beneficial than legalizing a street narcotic. Look how my prescription narcotics are legal yet it's a million dollar business, under the table.

You guys are kind of just throwing the towel in when you say that it is better to legalize drugs. It's the easy way out. I, at one point, worked as a youth counselor and I can tell you with certainty, all they need to steer clear is a positive environment, motivation, and a reason to educate themselves and seek a better life(it may not be the purest answer, but i'll take it 90% of the time). That will rid our problems more efficiently than legalizing street drugs. If there are no buyers, then how can it have a value?

No, the first thing anyone does when they are faced with a series of adversities is turn to drugs for a relief. Not everyone, but millions do. That's the part that we need to attack. But, do you know why? Because it is the hardest way. People go in for counseling and they get bullshh! answers and reasoning...i've seen it, first hand. I tried not to do that and was successful with many teenagers and young adults...it was extremely hard, but it was a better way; however, the beat goes on i guess...so have at it.
 
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