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Volcom's Optimus PRIME Log

I have noticed a lack of Irish'ness around these parts. A "couple" new logs says yee? I've never had multiple logs running at once, I don't think that would be a good idea (parami). I'm almost certain I'd get fired when they notice my pile of files have not budged, yet I seem to be furiously typing away at my computer. I could hear the whispering now, "which one of our legal documents have animated smiley's on them? Did we not get the Legal Solutions update discs?"

"These are not California documents people, I'm doing a super-covert, under the table thing-a-majig for somebody out in, and their documents incorporate smiley's, and that middle finger one just means you've been served....the pizza one means Plaintiff.. stop hawking!"

That's the gist of my theoretical situation.

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I always have a science-work related paper on my desktop, whenever I sneak out on AM during regular work hours Invalid Link Removed, just in case an uninvited visitor decides to walk in my office...like for example...my boss :p
It has been working well so far, I still do have a job :thumbsup:
 
Echinacea really works it's been about 5 or 6 years since my last cold maybe longer I can't remember. Every time I feel something coming on or feel run down a pop a couple and I always am able to fight it off.
 
Day 16: Special Chest Day

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Day 15 (yesterday) completed my two days in a row rest. I woke up this morning more refreshed then I've felt in a little while, as if I'd rested for an entire week, however, my stamina in the gym did not reflect how recharged I felt upon wakening this morning.

I'm almost certain, I'm still expecting my stamina to "feel" as I felt it when I was in a hypertrophic routine, even though I know that intensity and volume has an inverse relationship (which applies not only to intra set, but overall workout). That being true, I still feel "less then" in the stamina department.

Furthermore, I don't believe it is necessarily a physical limit that I'm breaching in my workout, but a sense of burn out and then apathy, very much like the lethargy I've experienced while on JW.

However, the lethargy does not occur to an encumbering degree if I don't hit the gym.

Apart from that, I had an incredible workout as far as strength AND intensity was concerned. I had a few angry bull moments where I was psyched up, balled my fist and trembled my arms like I really wanted to sock someone before I hit my next set, which does wonders for me, but I can't fake it or I'd bring that angry bull card out every time.

Incline Heavily Focused Chest.

Incline Bench
225lbs x 10 reps
245lbs x 8 reps
275lbs x 8 reps [pulled out the angry bull; I was expecting 5 reps, 6 if I really snorted and head butt someone, so this was really PRIMEtastic, and for a 3rd set no less.]

Incline Hammer Press
180lbs x 10 reps
240lbs x 8 reps
260lbs x 6 reps

Incline Db Flies
60lbs Db's x 8 reps
60lbs Db's x 7 reps
60lbs Db's x 7 reps

Incline Machine Press
180lbs x 10 reps
225lbs x 8 reps
255lbs x 7 reps

Flat Bench [Oh no he dit'int; I was looking to finish off with incline cable flies, but they were not available and at this point, I was feeling the lethargy turn into apathy and laziness, so when I saw a bench with the 45's already set up, my laziness drew me to it like a Siren's song]
225lbs x 10 reps
245lbs x 7 reps
245lbs x 6 reps

BAM! and not the supplement because it always automatically underlines that word. It was a strong day, I'm willing to bet I can start my first working set on incline bench with 275lbs, or at least make it my second set and build up for my 3rd. I haven't hit 275 on incline for 8 reps in a long, long time, so again, very PRIMEtastic. However, I felt the lethargy kicking by my 3rd exercise, the Incline Db Flies and I feared I'd be done with only 4 movements.

It seems my lethargic reaction is a bit of an isolated incident in comparison to the general public, but apparently, so is my level of positive response to the strength components of PRIME, so its a real love/hate.
 
Echinacea really works it's been about 5 or 6 years since my last cold maybe longer I can't remember. Every time I feel something coming on or feel run down a pop a couple and I always am able to fight it off.

My personal Elixer consists of Air-Born, Echinacea, Vit C and Fish Oil. However, this last 24 hour virus beat down only consisted of two doses of Air-Born, a mandarin orange and two meals of ginger & bamboo, salmon soup (overloaded with salmon), thus, my fish oils.
 
When I listen to As I Lay Dying's "94 Hours" during my Squats and Leg Presses, I feel like punching somebody in the throat. No doubt!
 
When I listen to As I Lay Dying's "94 Hours" during my Squats and Leg Presses, I feel like punching somebody in the throat. No doubt!

Oddly enough, music does nothing to pump me up anymore. It does energize me a bit, but I use it primarily to keep myself entertained during my workouts.

The only things that psyche me up to a level of psychological violence is either a). Just completing an incredibly heavy set or b). About to hit an incredibly heavy set, both are most likely situations that are psychological and/or testosteronological.

Music alone can't get me to angry bull alone (anymore). When I was depressed and angry (like following a serious break up with a serious girlfriend), then music can arouse that hatred (internal & external) which in turn converts to unadulterated and insurmountable energy, but I'm too chill these days and my selection of music tends to reflect that chill'ness'ness. I've got songs like Viva La Vida by Coldplay, Whatever You Like, by TI and Sexyback. In years back it was 90% Linkin Park, I hate life and I hate girlfriends..etc. and the likes, but I don't have that same anger anymore, so I can only bring out test energy as a result of a situation that arouses it, but no hate energy. I'm of course not implying you need to be in a bad place in your life to draw from heavy metal, hahaha. "FOR ME" I've seem to lost that ability ever since I mellowed out.

It was most apparent with Deads. I used to get all huffy & puffy and run everything I hate about life in my head to get me going before the lift and damn, it was like biochemical steroids being produced by my cells for those moments. Then one day I couldn't run anything negative in my head to get hyped up and I was like, damn.... Sucks to be happy Invalid Link Removed. However, as mentioned before, the angry bull does come out with test arousal, so about 2 or 3 sets into heavy deads, I get in that zone.

Bench is the only other lift that I go heavy enough to really get me amped, but the situation is the same, when I lost the hate, I lost some power, but its a fine trade off by me :thumbsup:
 
Come to think of it, I had a very depressing and angry adolescence, but I can attribute a lot of my bodybuilding success to all that negative energy. I did experiment with drugs and drinking in my efforts to phase out of reality and away from the pains, (I even picked up smoking cigarettes for 3 years) but that was always temporary phases. Luckily for me, I go full throttle with everything I do, so everything got old very quick for me. I drank to the point of throwing up, spins and passing out every time and that got old quickly, the "stuff" I took built up a tolerance so fast that it felt almost pointless, so that got old very quickly, and my love of cardio & fitness at the time (which I cared about even in a horrifically self destructive state), helped me wean off of cigarettes. My only consistent fix was to hack it out at the gym or cardio so hard that I can't think about anything but the physical pain of the task at hand. My full throttle behavior translates to bodybuilding as well and luckily for me, it's the only habit that stuck.

Oddly enough, the best time and the most satisfying a cigarette has ever felt for me, was right after a hard workout. I used to light one up on the drive home and damn. Clearly detrimental, obviously stupid and quite nasty yes I know, but shite did it feel good.
 
My personal Elixer consists of Air-Born, Echinacea, Vit C and Fish Oil. However, this last 24 hour virus beat down only consisted of two doses of Air-Born, a mandarin orange and two meals of ginger & bamboo, salmon soup (overloaded with salmon), thus, my fish oils.
I'm not sure if you've gotten a sore throat lately, but for anybody that hasn't heard: Salt Water Rinses knock them out cold. Just gargle and get the salt deep in your through, kills the bugs through osmosis. :thumbsup:

I had a little something; no exercise and decent sleep knocked it out in 24 hours. And alot of Vitamin C lol.
 
When I listen to As I Lay Dying's "94 Hours" during my Squats and Leg Presses, I feel like punching somebody in the throat. No doubt!
I can understand that. Before my workout yesterday I caught a WASP video of them re-doing the old Who song "The Real Me". Upon hearing that I snapped!! The dark angry divnity within me came out in a vengeful manner!! :smite::twisted:

And I loved it!!!
 
Lookn good V! Just caught up on your thread! Glad to see you are still killn it everyday!
 
I have 11 days of PRIME left... hmmmm.... what to do, what to do.

I've been curious about the old Avant HEAT Stack (Hordenine
Evodiamine, Alpha-yohimbine, Tyramine), which is currently extinct, but the closest thing, which isn't that close, is Basic Cuts (with Hordenine, PEA & Caffeine, the Cayenne Pepper doesn't really interest me) and a separate purchase of Geranium, or 1,3-dimethylamylamine. This is actually nothing like the HEAT stack, but what interests me about this HPCG is the beneficial mood factor "allegedly." I'm also curious about finding another stim compound outside of the ECA, ECY realm. I build a tolerance to Ephedrine way too fast, even if I cycle it every other day and only 3 times a week (primarily for 5:45am work).

On the other hand, I want another bottle of PRIME. My only concern is, I can only assume my lethargy will continue to worsen or at the least maintain, therefore, the addition of HPCG and its benefits may be sabotaged due to the lethargy.

I haven't peaked in strength yet and I'm curious to see how far PRIME can take me, but on the other hand, HPCG could potentially enhance daily quality of life from the mood factor and of course provide some welcomed energy.

Or I could run a 3rd bottle of PRIME solo, then go into my HPCG experience, but damn, my last name isn't HILTON.

Anything thoughts peoples?

Edit: and potentially Yellow Neuphoria by Controlled Labs, but they only have 1 bottle left, so I don't know if I'll catch that train in time.
 
My personal Elixer consists of Air-Born, Echinacea, Vit C and Fish Oil. However, this last 24 hour virus beat down only consisted of two doses of Air-Born, a mandarin orange and two meals of ginger & bamboo, salmon soup (overloaded with salmon), thus, my fish oils.

Ginger is great.
 
Come to think of it, I had a very depressing and angry adolescence, but I can attribute a lot of my bodybuilding success to all that negative energy. I did experiment with drugs and drinking in my efforts to phase out of reality and away from the pains, (I even picked up smoking cigarettes for 3 years) but that was always temporary phases. Luckily for me, I go full throttle with everything I do, so everything got old very quick for me. I drank to the point of throwing up, spins and passing out every time and that got old quickly, the "stuff" I took built up a tolerance so fast that it felt almost pointless, so that got old very quickly, and my love of cardio & fitness at the time (which I cared about even in a horrifically self destructive state), helped me wean off of cigarettes. My only consistent fix was to hack it out at the gym or cardio so hard that I can't think about anything but the physical pain of the task at hand. My full throttle behavior translates to bodybuilding as well and luckily for me, it's the only habit that stuck.

Oddly enough, the best time and the most satisfying a cigarette has ever felt for me, was right after a hard workout. I used to light one up on the drive home and damn. Clearly detrimental, obviously stupid and quite nasty yes I know, but shite did it feel good.


ooooo man i know watcha mean thoes day drivin home smoking holy crap talk about feeling eurphouric(sp)
 
I have 11 days of PRIME left... hmmmm.... what to do, what to do.

I've been curious about the old Avant HEAT Stack (Hordenine
Evodiamine, Alpha-yohimbine, Tyramine), which is currently extinct, but the closest thing, which isn't that close, is Basic Cuts (with Hordenine, PEA & Caffeine, the Cayenne Pepper doesn't really interest me) and a separate purchase of Geranium, or 1,3-dimethylamylamine. This is actually nothing like the HEAT stack, but what interests me about this HPCG is the beneficial mood factor "allegedly." I'm also curious about finding another stim compound outside of the ECA, ECY realm. I build a tolerance to Ephedrine way too fast, even if I cycle it every other day and only 3 times a week (primarily for 5:45am work).

On the other hand, I want another bottle of PRIME. My only concern is, I can only assume my lethargy will continue to worsen or at the least maintain, therefore, the addition of HPCG and its benefits may be sabotaged due to the lethargy.

I haven't peaked in strength yet and I'm curious to see how far PRIME can take me, but on the other hand, HPCG could potentially enhance daily quality of life from the mood factor and of course provide some welcomed energy.

Or I could run a 3rd bottle of PRIME solo, then go into my HPCG experience, but damn, my last name isn't HILTON.

Anything thoughts peoples?

Edit: and potentially Yellow Neuphoria by Controlled Labs, but they only have 1 bottle left, so I don't know if I'll catch that train in time.


one thing thata really help me fight the lethargey was powerfull 3 at night really helpd
 
powerfull makes most people lethargic...did for me
 
Dude, she's like dead or something, isn't she??
Surely you don't descriminate between the living and the nonliving, do you??!!

Now I'm just being sick. LOL

All kidding aside, I was so in love with MaryAnne when I was young. She was so much hotter than Ginger IMO. Those cute pig-tails. And those little Daisy Duke shorts. So freakin' hot!! :twisted:
 
Yeah, Ginger was slutty, MaryAnne was your wholesome girl-next-door type.. I can see where you would find her innocence so alluring TG!! :rofl:
 
Yeah, Ginger was slutty, MaryAnne was your wholesome girl-next-door type.. I can see where you would find her innocence so alluring TG!! :rofl:
She's a country girl. And I'm a country boy. How much more sweet and innocent can that be??!! :rolleyes:
 
I'm still torn between PRIME, more strength, less energy and not feeling too great or pseudo-cut with less strength, but more energy and maybe some added mood.

The lethargy isn't going away with 2 in a row days rest, and I don't have enough PRIME caps to sacrifice more then 2 days per week. I lean toward the cut when I'm feeling lethargic and sluggish, but at the same time, this time of year is a real uphill battle to cut for me. The weather and lack of sunshine keeps me from doing any serious cardio for whatever reason and I tend to hold on to adipose when it's cold, as oppose to some innate shedding of adipose when things warm up.

If I were to go with the flow of the seasons, my body is primed for PRIME at this state, however, there comes a point where lethargy starts to effect daily quality of life.

decisions, decisions...
 
I need to workout with my long time workout partner to see how I compare with him strength wise (its been awhile since our schedules have been in sync) and see how far along I am. That would be a great decisive measure. If my strength is greatly superior, then the PRIME would be worth continuing. I know my strength would be slightly superior, as I tend to be with the low rep lifts in comparison to him (and vice versa, he has the slightly superior performance with higher rep lifts). I know about how much stronger I usually am around this time of the year. We've been workout partners for 5 years, so we have some historical consistencies, therefore, he is usually a good marker for my progress.
 
I'm still torn between PRIME, more strength, less energy and not feeling too great or pseudo-cut with less strength, but more energy and maybe some added mood.

The lethargy isn't going away with 2 in a row days rest, and I don't have enough PRIME caps to sacrifice more then 2 days per week. I lean toward the cut when I'm feeling lethargic and sluggish, but at the same time, this time of year is a real uphill battle to cut for me. The weather and lack of sunshine keeps me from doing any serious cardio for whatever reason and I tend to hold on to adipose when it's cold, as oppose to some innate shedding of adipose when things warm up.

If I were to go with the flow of the seasons, my body is primed for PRIME at this state, however, there comes a point where lethargy starts to effect daily quality of life.

decisions, decisions...

Volcom, how about NOT taking ANY Prime on your off days? I’m not arguing with what Mullet suggested but in the end, it is ones body biochemistry that dictates the nature of response to a particular supp. Each "responder" :lol: is unique in that respect and you seem to be somewhat more unique than the rest of us ;)
 
I'm still torn between PRIME, more strength, less energy and not feeling too great or pseudo-cut with less strength, but more energy and maybe some added mood.
The lethargy isn't going away with 2 in a row days rest, and I don't have enough PRIME caps to sacrifice more then 2 days per week. I lean toward the cut when I'm feeling lethargic and sluggish, but at the same time, this time of year is a real uphill battle to cut for me.

If I were to go with the flow of the seasons, my body is primed for PRIME at this state, however, there comes a point where lethargy starts to effect daily quality of life.

decisions, decisions...

I didn't experience any lethargy from my PRIME run, but I think you know why. I used stims the whole time. I switch things up to keep responding to them. I will use ECA one day, ECY the next, some sample packs of different stims, and then homemade blends of caffiene, geranium, and other things. And of course my USPLabs JACKED has even different compounds in it. So I'm constantly switching things up.

So what am I getting at? Use some stims my brutha. Yes, use 'em while on this PRIME run also. Get yourself over the hump, so to speak. You don't have to use 'em full-time, just on your heaviest workout days. Like chest, back, and legs. I can get by on arm day and shoulder day without 'em. But they come in real handy on those heavy ass gut-bustin' days!!! :thumbsup:
 
Volcom, how about NOT taking ANY Prime on your off days? I’m not arguing with what Mullet suggested but in the end, it is ones body biochemistry that dictates the nature of response to a particular supp. Each "responder" :lol: is unique in that respect and you seem to be somewhat more unique than the rest of us ;)

I may consider that. Perhaps I'll try the two days off without dosing. Thanks for the suggestion DF.
 
I didn't experience any lethargy from my PRIME run, but I think you know why. I used stims the whole time. I switch things up to keep responding to them. I will use ECA one day, ECY the next, some sample packs of different stims, and then homemade blends of caffiene, geranium, and other things. And of course my USPLabs JACKED has even different compounds in it. So I'm constantly switching things up.

So what am I getting at? Use some stims my brutha. Yes, use 'em while on this PRIME run also. Get yourself over the hump, so to speak. You don't have to use 'em full-time, just on your heaviest workout days. Like chest, back, and legs. I can get by on arm day and shoulder day without 'em. But they come in real handy on those heavy ass gut-bustin' days!!! :thumbsup:

Thomas has mentioned that different stims will give him an energy rush, even when a particular stim has stopped working. JACKED is a great price. I'll most likely stay solo through this 2nd bottle, but if I decide on a 3rd, then I'll most likely include stims. Thanks TG.
 
I picked up a bottle of Phenadrine, and I'm most excited about the
1,3 Dimethylamylamine (Geranium) and the N-Methyl-Beta-Methylphenylethylamine HCL (more simply put, N-Methyl PEA HCL) combination and of course caffeine is part of the matrix as well as a couple other ingredients. I'll be running my current course of PRIME solo as planned and that third bottle decision is still up in the air. If I do extend my run, then Phenadrine will be part of that extended plan. I was curious to run Controlled Lab's Neuphoria with the Phenadrine for a syngersitic mood elevating effect, along with the energy, but I've spent too much money on Christmas already.

This PRIME log will probably end my Logging Reign of maybe 5 months straight (from one product to another). One of the side effects of over logging may be subscribers fatigue and I think I've ran people's cyber adrenals to the ground.

On a more exciting note, my chest DOMS are off the charts, particularly in my upper chest region, which is an area I had not been able to target in maybe 6 weeks, so it feels great!

I'm also hoping to get a session in with my workout partner to see how we compare in our progress, this, for me, will be a great measure for how effective PRIME has truly been.
 
Phenadrine seems to be a pretty complete package in of itself, IMO, but do any of you have any creative suggestions that could add to it?

Apart from ephedrine, TG :stick: or Clen, Albuterol, Yohimbine or simply an additional 200mg caffeine, again, I'm addressing TG. I'm not as privy to the world of stims as I could be, so I can only think of other headliner stims, as aforementioned, but I'm not aware of the many syngeries out there that aren't front runners, like Eph, Clen, Alb, Y-hcl.
 
T3 + Prime sounds pretty cool.

But is the risk worth it to you? I've never used Liothyronine Sodium before, but have considered it, and still am.
 
From what you have said, it sounds like cutting fat past a certain point is difficult for you, as it is for me, and we both may need some extra help to do it.

I've tried the transdermal route (Napalm) but I just didn't notice too much from it other than a nasty odor and a lot of extra sweating.
 
From what you have said, it sounds like cutting fat past a certain point is difficult for you, as it is for me, and we both may need some extra help to do it.

I've tried the transdermal route (Napalm) but I just didn't notice too much from it other than a nasty odor and a lot of extra sweating.

Guys just because cutting fat is difficult, it's no reason to have to incorporate "extra help" past diet. I am a classic endo and was able to get into contest shape using nothing. What things like Recreate simply allow me to burn fat while I keep a normal lifestyle. If you really want to get lean though it's simply not necessary to use supps to do it. I would not use anything that may risk health, it is simply not necessary.
 
Guys just because cutting fat is difficult, it's no reason to have to incorporate "extra help" past diet. I am a classic endo and was able to get into contest shape using nothing. What things like Recreate simply allow me to burn fat while I keep a normal lifestyle. If you really want to get lean though it's simply not necessary to use supps to do it. I would not use anything that may risk health, it is simply not necessary.

You're right. I shouldn't have said "need" but rather would like to use...

Genetics are genetics, though. I truly believe that some people just really won't ever get past a certain point without everything in the right place, and by everything I mean diet, training, supplementation, and if necessary, drugs.

Every individual has there own genetic limit that can only be surpassed by chemical assistance. Whether you choose to take that route is up to you.
 
From what you have said, it sounds like cutting fat past a certain point is difficult for you, as it is for me, and we both may need some extra help to do it.

I've tried the transdermal route (Napalm) but I just didn't notice too much from it other than a nasty odor and a lot of extra sweating.

Its hard for me to imagine Napalm working for anyone with over 10-12% bodyfat. The pro-activity to make that supplement work would be 90% of the reason for the fat loss, imo. You can't be sort of chunky all around, but have a lean @$$ stomach. It just doesn't add up. I suppose it can make abs that are already there, cleaner, or maybe bring out some abs on an already very flat stomach, but I don't know. I've never been a fan of transdermals for the general public, but this is just an opinion.
 
You're right. I shouldn't have said "need" but rather would like to use...

Genetics are genetics, though. I truly believe that some people just really won't ever get past a certain point without everything in the right place, and by everything I mean diet, training, supplementation, and if necessary, drugs.

Every individual has there own genetic limit that can only be surpassed by chemical assistance. Whether you choose to take that route is up to you.

I don't believe there is a Genetic limit when it comes to getting lean. Not to my experience anyway. I have been up close to 30% and down to 6% and could have gotten leaner if I had the time. If there is a limit it is very low.
 
#1. 30% to 6% is unimaginable to me!

#2. My primary concern isn't cutting. Diet and training are meat and potatoes, supplements are the gravy. I'm just looking for a great energy product, apart from jet fuel (ECA).

#3. As far as "natural limits" are concerned, I think it's a gray area. If there are natural limits for sizing up, why wouldn't there be natural limits for sizing down? I tend to agree with Dreamweaver as a general principle, however, I am my own testimony to Irish's points. I come to a sticking point at 197lbs time and time again where no amount of cardio will help and my dieting borderlines on malnutrition for my muscle demands. I'm not saying I've done 100% all there is to do, but I've come close. Maybe 197lbs isn't really my "limit" but for me to lean down further from there, means my effort will have to increase exponentially, moving from its my lifestyle, to its my entire life (pro bb style), and I suppose only a competitive show with financial gain would make that effort worth it in real life.
 
Maybe you can help me out Dreamweaver. I'm not a natural, full on endo, but I definitely fall in the meso-endo category.
 
If you're looking for some good, clean energy, I'd move away from the stims. There are plenty other alternatives. Anabolic Edge gave me some good energy, and it's a great supplement all-around. Maybe some type of nootropic. Possibly some of MST's stuff with their cordyceps. There's all kinds of stuff.
 
If you're looking for some good, clean energy, I'd move away from the stims. There are plenty other alternatives. Anabolic Edge gave me some good energy, and it's a great supplement all-around. Maybe some type of nootropic. Possibly some of MST's stuff with their cordyceps. There's all kinds of stuff.

Thanks for the recommendations, I've never looked into MST products before. The Cordygen VO2 looked interesting, but that thing cost more then PRIME. The Cordygen5 looks good too and its rather affordable. I'll be contemplating your suggestion heavily, thanks again.
 
MST has some awesome products.

VO2 really helped in my BJJ and Powerclean Press sessions.

CRE-02 best creatine I have ever used bar none.

I haven't tried much of their other stuff, except for MVP/ZMK which I like to get as well.
 
Oh boy...

I will be working out with my workout partner Zack in about 20 min, but he's also bringing his buddy, Big Josh. Big Josh is on EVERYTHING, super steroid guy, HGH guy, for years and years. He's 265lbs lean.

So I'm going to be made to feel like a little bitch tonight.

PRIME vs Steroids & HGH..... hehe. I'll report how it went when I come back in my tutu. You guys can tell me how pretty I look in my new dress.
 
I will be working out with my workout partner Zack in about 20 min, but he's also bringing his buddy, Big Josh. Big Josh is on EVERYTHING, super steroid guy, HGH guy, for years and years. He's 265lbs lean.

So I'm going to be made to feel like a little bitch tonight.

PRIME vs Steroids & HGH..... hehe. I'll report how it went when I come back in my tutu. You guys can tell me how pretty I look in my new dress.

Man, I always compare myself to the most geared up dudes, but the more I think about it, it's silly to do that. Just put forth all your effort and that's all you can do. Don't let some juiced up dude make you feel bad about yourself.
 
Compare Testicle size. :lol:

Big Josh: Sam, you're a biotch.

Sam: Your Testes are a shriveled mess.

Big Josh: Hm. Well. I should lift now.
 
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