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Dcp

i'm baffled by the fact nobody hasn't posted about any dpc results since it became available again i got 2 bottles i will try next month. i'm starting to think the worse that nobody is bragging lately.
 
i am starting week 4 sunday. great results so far.

i was going to create a thread down the road after finish my 2 bottles.
 
This is one of the studies I caught when it first came out, that drove me to start investigating PLCAR back in 2004.

Several important functions noted here, which explains the ingredient profile of DCP, it's effectiveness, why PLCAR was the preferred form of carnitine chosen, and most importantly, why DCP (and...a future product) vastly enhances endurance.

1: Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2004 Nov;1033:79-91.Click here to read Links
Therapeutic effects of L-carnitine and propionyl-L-carnitine on cardiovascular diseases: a review.
Ferrari R, Merli E, Cicchitelli G, Mele D, Fucili A, Ceconi C.

Chair of Cardiology, University Hospital of Ferrara, Gussago (Brescia), Italy. [email protected]

Several experimental studies have shown that levocarnitine reduces myocardial injury after ischemia and reperfusion by counteracting the toxic effect of high levels of free fatty acids, which occur in ischemia, and by improving carbohydrate metabolism. In addition to increasing the rate of fatty acid transport into mitochondria, levocarnitine reduces the intramitochondrial ratio of acetyl-CoA to free CoA, thus stimulating the activity of pyruvate dehydrogenase and increasing the oxidation of pyruvate. Supplementation of the myocardium with levocarnitine results in an increased tissue carnitine content, a prevention of the loss of high-energy phosphate stores, ischemic injury, and improved heart recovery on reperfusion. Clinically, levocarnitine has been shown to have anti-ischemic properties. In small short-term studies, levocarnitine acts as an antianginal agent that reduces ST segment depression and left ventricular end-diastolic pressure. These short-term studies also show that levocarnitine releases the lactate of coronary artery disease patients subjected to either exercise testing or atrial pacing. These cardioprotective effects have been confirmed during aortocoronary bypass grafting and acute myocardial infarction. In a randomized multicenter trial performed on 472 patients, levocarnitine treatment (9 g/day by intravenous infusion for 5 initial days and 6 g/day orally for the next 12 months), when initiated early after acute myocardial infarction, attenuated left ventricular dilatation and prevented ventricular remodeling. In treated patients, there was a trend towards a reduction in the combined incidence of death and CHF after discharge. Levocarnitine could improve ischemia and reperfusion by (1) preventing the accumulation of long-chain acyl-CoA, which facilitates the production of free radicals by damaged mitochondria; (2) improving repair mechanisms for oxidative-induced damage to membrane phospholipids; (3) inhibiting malignancy arrhythmias because of accumulation within the myocardium of long-chain acyl-CoA; and (4) reducing the ischemia-induced apoptosis and the consequent remodeling of the left ventricle. Propionyl-L-carnitine is a carnitine derivative that has a high affinity for muscular carnitine transferase, and it increases cellular carnitine content, thereby allowing free fatty acid transport into the mitochondria. Moreover, propionyl-L-carnitine stimulates a better efficiency of the Krebs cycle during hypoxia by providing it with a very easily usable substrate, propionate, which is rapidly transformed into succinate without energy consumption (anaplerotic pathway). Alone, propionate cannot be administered to patients in view of its toxicity. The results of phase-2 studies in chronic heart failure patients showed that long-term oral treatment with propionyl-L-carnitine improves maximum exercise duration and maximum oxygen consumption over placebo and indicated a specific propionyl-L-carnitine effect on peripheral muscle metabolism. A multicenter trial on 537 patients showed that propionyl-L-carnitine improves exercise capacity in patients with heart failure, but preserved cardiac function.
 
hey matt,

would you say dcp amplifies the water retention during a carb up? because i noticed i went up over 4lbs just by eating a big meal with carbs (bread sticks, sweet potato fries).

usually it goes up about 1-2lbs and come back down within a day or two. this time with dcp, i am still holding onto about 2lbs from the intial 4.
 
ndnguy85 said:
hey matt,

would you say dcp amplifies the water retention during a carb up? because i noticed i went up over 4lbs just by eating a big meal with carbs (bread sticks, sweet potato fries).

usually it goes up about 1-2lbs and come back down within a day or two. this time with dcp, i am still holding onto about 2lbs from the intial 4.
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are you talking straight bloat (softening of appearance, etc) or an enhanced muscle fullness?
 
dsade said:
are you talking straight bloat (softening of appearance, etc) or an enhanced muscle fullness?
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just the increased body weight and the soft look. i know i am leaning out..cause i can feel the skin getting "thinner" ..like closer to the muscle underneath.
 
dsade said:
This is one of the studies I caught when it first came out, that drove me to start investigating PLCAR back in 2004.

Several important functions noted here, which explains the ingredient profile of DCP, it's effectiveness, why PLCAR was the preferred form of carnitine chosen, and most importantly, why DCP (and...a future product) vastly enhances endurance.
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need any guinny pigs for the new product? If it is for fat burning, I would be happy to pay retail to get a crack at a new product from rpn.
 
If I wanted to take the initial dose of 2 AM, 2 Prior to Workout, 2 Prior to bed (or even 2,3,1)... my preworkout meal of oatmeal might be too much 30 minutes before a workout (I use weightsmart quaker for 160 + 24 grams of rolled oats for 90 more = 250 cals, not that it's important), but it gives me about 10 grams of protein + a good amount of carbs for workout.

So to avoid further rambling... is taking the DCP an hour before workout and then eating 30 minutes before workout going to interfere with workout? I usually eat about an hour before workout, I think it's worth a shot.
 
Darth Pooh said:
So to avoid further rambling... is taking the DCP an hour before workout and then eating 30 minutes before workout going to interfere with workout? I usually eat about an hour before workout, I think it's worth a shot.
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No, this should be fine.

What point in your workout do you do your cardio, if any?
 
dsade said:
No, this should be fine.

What point in your workout do you do your cardio, if any?
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Always after weight training. I can't do weight training after cardio... I am sapped from it.

So it usually comes 30-40 minutes after I've been in the gym, which means it will be about an hour after I eat but almost 1.5 hours after I take the DCP.
 
Darth Pooh said:
Always after weight training. I can't do weight training after cardio... I am sapped from it.

So it usually comes 30-40 minutes after I've been in the gym, which means it will be about an hour after I eat but almost 1.5 hours after I take the DCP.
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Should be perfect, then...carb intake should not adversely effect idea cardio conditions, then, and DCP will be able to do its thing.
 
dsade said:
I just picked up a new compound design that will be used in conjunction with DCP to vastly increase mitochondrial beta-oxidation activity, which is primed by DCP. Peroxisomal beta-oxidation + turbo mitochondrial beta-odixation = incredibly lean and healthy.
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So what was this??? Thanks
 
dsade said:
Negative sides? None to speak of, honestly. There have been very few reports of any side effects from DCP usage, but the only one that might come up is slight water retention.
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Isnt cramping a side relevant with usage of TTA?

Taurine help with that?
 
Whacked said:
Isnt cramping a side relevant with usage of TTA?

Taurine help with that?
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straight TTA, yes....i addressed all the causes of cramping with the DCP formulation.
 
I have about a week left on my cycle of Animal Cuts... I wanted some feedback from people who might have taken that and also tried DCP, as well as EC stacks. How do they all compare in terms of cutting and your results.

Also, do you think I should wait it out a week before I start DCP or should I jump right into it? I am going to try a 30 day cycle of DCP, Fish Oil, CLA, Green Tea, Lysine and ALCAR. CoQ10 and a multi in the morning as well.

As soon as I wake up 1st dose (eat about 40 minutes later).

2nd dose will be an hour before I enter the gym, but 30 minutes later I will eat protein oatmeal (still about an hour to 80 minutes before I begin cardio).

Last dose before bed.

Any feedback on this plan?
 
Assuming animal cuts to be a stim, DCP will attack fat from completely different directions - allowing either a perfect stack or seamless transition from one to the other.

DCP/EC is fantastic, BTW.
 
dsade said:
Assuming animal cuts to be a stim, DCP will attack fat from completely different directions - allowing either a perfect stack or seamless transition from one to the other.

DCP/EC is fantastic, BTW.
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So technically, I could actually start taking the DCP tomorrow with no issues...

How do you take 1 g of ALCAR? The powder smells like crap (heavy wiff of vinegar comes to mind), so if I put it in the water that I use to down my buttload of pills, would that work?
 
Darth Pooh said:
So technically, I could actually start taking the DCP tomorrow with no issues...

How do you take 1 g of ALCAR? The powder smells like crap (heavy wiff of vinegar comes to mind), so if I put it in the water that I use to down my buttload of pills, would that work?
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Yep.

For ALCAR, I usually use the small tubs of Pink Lemonade Crystal Light, and dump a tiny amount into water. The tartness makes ALCAR very bearable.
 
dsade said:
Yep.

For ALCAR, I usually use the small tubs of Pink Lemonade Crystal Light, and dump a tiny amount into water. The tartness makes ALCAR very bearable.
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Thanks a lot for all of your help man. I really appreciate it. I know I am asking a million and one questions but I have been really trying to lose this loose skin / apron of fat around my stomach (I recently lost about 120 lbs and I want to cut this last bit off without having surgery). So, I won't lie and will say I've become a bit obsessive...
 
Darth Pooh said:
Thanks a lot for all of your help man. I really appreciate it. I know I am asking a million and one questions but I have been really trying to lose this loose skin / apron of fat around my stomach (I recently lost about 120 lbs and I want to cut this last bit off without having surgery). So, I won't lie and will say I've become a bit obsessive...
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I'm actually working on something to help tighten loose skin. Amazing how complex the skin organ is, and how much we can actually change it.

/it ain't just wrapping paper for the goods inside.
 
Shouldn't we not take DCP and ALCAR together?

I thought there was something about combining PLCAR and ALCAR you had mentioned.
 
Urban Monk said:
Shouldn't we not take DCP and ALCAR together?

I thought there was something about combining PLCAR and ALCAR you had mentioned.
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There was a study on CFS that SUBJECTIVELY reported less dramatic improvement with the combo than with PLCAR alone. As far as I know, there has been no measurement of effectiveness with the combo.

Hmm...perhaps it's time for some experiments.
 
Based on that earlier comment, I had been taking my DCP 30 min pre cardio, and my Alcar 15 min pre-cardio.

Am I being anal, or should I just take them together? Or separate even further?
 
Urban Monk said:
Based on that earlier comment, I had been taking my DCP 30 min pre cardio, and my Alcar 15 min pre-cardio.

Am I being anal, or should I just take them together? Or separate even further?
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I think 13 minutes is ideal.

/together is fine. Feedback por favor?
 
Darth Pooh said:
Logs have actually shown that 13.47 minutes is ideal, but then again 64.12% of all stats are made up on the spot.

;)
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There is a 3.14 minute margin of error...but that's only if you take it with a piece of pi.
 
dsade said:
There is a 3.14 minute margin of error...but that's only if you take it with a piece of pi.
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heh, good stuff.

I plan on getting back to you in this thread when I start taking the new stack tomorrow.

I am actually going to even take it with RESET AD... I know it might be weird to take RESET AD while still on Animal Cuts, but I don't feel jack shite from caffeine anymore!

BTW, NP rocks... they sent me the ALCAR, DCP and RESET AD plus threw in a Protein shaker (which I have been meaning to pick up, good stuff NP!)
 
I haven't noticed a difference either way to be honest. I just thought the heart-enhancing qualities of pclar would somehow be interfered w/. My subjective analysis is that I sweat like a pig regardless on DCP, and get the same "focused" sensation.

I'll pay more attention this upcoming week.
 
Thought I'd check in with Dsade... since I know DCP is his baby.

This is my new stack:

Fish Oils 2400mg x 3 daily
CLA 1000mg x 3 daily
Green Tea Caps 750mg x 3 daily (plus all the green tea I drink)
ALCAR (powder) 1 g x 3 daily
RESET AD x 2 daily
Animal Cuts Pak (last week on a 21 day cycle) x 2 daily
DCP 2 / 3 / 1 dosing
Just added today Napalm 2 squirts. every 12 hours x 2 daily.

Few observations:

Not excessively hot like everyone says. (as a matter of fact I can get downright cold, except, since losing about 120 lbs, that is fairly common for me, rarely am I warm). I gained a lb... I think it's from TTA and the water weight, I won't sweat it too much for now, I don't want to get obsessive. But I am def in a caloric deficit... perhaps my salt was a bit high yesterday, BUT, I drink about 1.5 gallons of water a day, so I think it's a stretch to say it was TOO high (musta been those claussin pickles I chowed down PWO).

At anyrate, I hope to see good results after this stack (Animal Cuts will drop out soon, I might go over to EC stack after one week of no STIM burners).

Any suggestions?
 
Darth Pooh said:
Oh yeah, I am also not experiencing appetite suppression. This is still only day 3, so I am giving this time.
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Appetite suppression seems to occur in about 1 in 3.
 
question of stupidity...

so, dcp is ideally supposed to also help with "cheat" meals/days. How does it do that? Does it prevent absorbtion of calories? I had a bad day and just thinking how its being "handled" in my body... thanks guys.
 
Darth Pooh said:
question of stupidity...

so, dcp is ideally supposed to also help with "cheat" meals/days. How does it do that? Does it prevent absorbtion of calories? I had a bad day and just thinking how its being "handled" in my body... thanks guys.
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It doesn't prevent absorption of calories. By activating fat oxidation pathways, and PREVENTING esterization of fat (the preferred storage for for deposition into fat cells) it keeps Free Fatty Acids freely circulating until they can be transported into organelles (peroxisomes and mitochondria) and used for energy.

Once fat is stored in fat cells it takes a powerful process to free it up again - DCP assists damage prevention by preventing the fatty acids from being stored in the first place, as well as burning them up at an accelerated rate.
 
dsade said:
It doesn't prevent absorption of calories. By activating fat oxidation pathways, and PREVENTING esterization of fat (the preferred storage for for deposition into fat cells) it keeps Free Fatty Acids freely circulating until they can be transported into organelles (peroxisomes and mitochondria) and used for energy.

Once fat is stored in fat cells it takes a powerful process to free it up again - DCP assists damage prevention by preventing the fatty acids from being stored in the first place, as well as burning them up at an accelerated rate.
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So the possibility that some of my calories that I ate didn't get stored as fat but is currently still in my organelles waiting for energy activation... is there a rate at which it will eventually get stored and/or percentage of esterization prevention?
 
Darth Pooh said:
So the possibility that some of my calories that I ate didn't get stored as fat but is currently still in my organelles waiting for energy activation... is there a rate at which it will eventually get stored and/or percentage of esterization prevention?
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We don't know how long the inhibition of DGAT lasts. Organelles won't store the fatty acids. In the case of Mitochondria, the carnitine is required to transport them from the blood stream to the mito. to be burned - hence why DCP is more effective as a full formula than trying to just use TTA, etc.
 
dsade said:
We don't know how long the inhibition of DGAT lasts. Organelles won't store the fatty acids. In the case of Mitochondria, the carnitine is required to transport them from the blood stream to the mito. to be burned - hence why DCP is more effective as a full formula than trying to just use TTA, etc.
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I upped my dose from 2/3/1 to 3/4/2, which I will do for a few more days... I need to buy another bottle now (I was planning a 30 day cycle which won't last me now). I believe I am starting to see results but I am not sure if that is due to the addition of napalm to the stack or not.

Thanks again for answering all of these questions. You've been a big help. I am taking the ALCAR like you said with crystal light powder and water (I hope I should be taking it dissolved in water!!!)
 
quick question. just got my dcp in the mail and figuring out dosing. i wanted to take a tablet pre-bed but i usually drink a musclemilk shake before bed. should i take the tablet, wait 30 min then take the shake before bed or take the shake, wait 30 min then take the tablet before bed?
 
mrlargecalves said:
quick question. just got my dcp in the mail and figuring out dosing. i wanted to take a tablet pre-bed but i usually drink a musclemilk shake before bed. should i take the tablet, wait 30 min then take the shake before bed or take the shake, wait 30 min then take the tablet before bed?
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Shake first, then the DCP, IMO.
 
mrlargecalves said:
another q, i believe this was answered but wanted confirmation. dcpdose, 30 min later, pre workout meal, 30 min later, lift. correct?
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Looks solid, giving everything plenty of time to reach the bloodstream and start kicking.
 
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