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Volcom’s, Controlled Labs NEW White Flood CAPS (Sponsored TESTER)

VolcomX311 said:
He's too ripped to get up, muscles so tight he's stuck & immovable on the couch. It's one of the symptoms of spontaneous sixpackademia.
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That sounds horribly uncomfortable.

I used to work with a guy that had really bad skin issues. No joke, the dude would wake up with super dry skin all over. As soon as he'd move it would crack and break and bleed. It was horrible. I felt so bad for the dude. He always had to lube himself up.
 
Irish Cannon said:
That sounds horribly uncomfortable.

I used to work with a guy that had really bad skin issues. No joke, the dude would wake up with super dry skin all over. As soon as he'd move it would crack and break and bleed. It was horrible. I felt so bad for the dude. He always had to lube himself up.
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DAMN, BRO!!!! That's some Discovery Channel ish! I'm not trying to make light, but seriously, that sounds like some far out, extraordinary complication, that sucks.

Another reason to minimalize my own injuries... it could always be worse.
 
snagency said:
That's when they cycle off their stacks bro, c'mon.. they need some down time..
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Are that many of them really juicing to just look mediocre??!! Pitt looked lean in Troy, but certainly not swole or anything. I'd hate to juice just to weigh a lean 185. Sh!t. You can cut without steroids.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I believe it's universal knowledge that eating carbs with BA blunts parasthesia. For the WF CAPS, it does blunt the paresthesia as expected, but whats most notable is the delayed effect. I had a carbs container dinner around 5:30pm. I took 4 White Flood CAPS around 6:30pm and right now, 9:08pm I'm finally feeling the initial tingling of the paresthesia, it literally set in at the middle of this current post.
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How sensitive are you to the effects of the paresthesia? Some don't seem to be bothered much by it, while others like Thomas and myself, love that "needles of fire pricking your skin" feeling. I love the feel of the lightening running through my veins. I've had some great workouts this last week. Part of the credit goes to PRIME. But part must also go to the 7 grams of Beta-Alanine I'm using pre-workout. It's allowing me to grind out more reps, especially on lighter isolation movements. I'm like a freakin' machine lately. I was just curious to the extent of your apparent suffering from the effects of the paresthesia.
 
thundergod said:
Are that many of them really juicing to just look mediocre??!! Pitt looked lean in Troy, but certainly not swole or anything. I'd hate to juice just to weigh a lean 185. Sh!t. You can cut without steroids.
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Your ideas/compounds/training methodology would be different than these guys' attack. They would use compounds/hgh to get lean & ripped, not massive. The massive look is not "in" for cinema viewing bro!
 
thundergod said:
How sensitive are you to the effects of the paresthesia? Some don't seem to be bothered much by it, while others like Thomas and myself, love that "needles of fire pricking your skin" feeling. I love the feel of the lightening running through my veins. I've had some great workouts this last week. Part of the credit goes to PRIME. But part must also go to the 7 grams of Beta-Alanine I'm using pre-workout. It's allowing me to grind out more reps, especially on lighter isolation movements. I'm like a freakin' machine lately. I was just curious to the extent of your apparent suffering from the effects of the paresthesia.
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That's exactly what an increased lactate threshold would yield, higher reps at those grinding & crucial end points. Great job Thunder. I love it when I'm at 8 reps and I'm thinking, "there's no way I'm hitting 10 of these" and then I hit 10 and I can feel the ability to pull out 2 more. That might not sound significant to some, but when you're talking about increasing a 275lbs bench press by 2 or 3 more reps, its a big deal.

Paresthesia, I'm abnormally and extraordinarily hyper-sensitive to it, which is why I've been split dosing so i can build a tolerance to a full serving. Otherwise I end up looking like a red striped Bengal Tiger from ferociously itching & clawing myself all over.
 
thundergod said:
How sensitive are you to the effects of the paresthesia? Some don't seem to be bothered much by it, while others like Thomas and myself, love that "needles of fire pricking your skin" feeling. I love the feel of the lightening running through my veins. I've had some great workouts this last week. Part of the credit goes to PRIME. But part must also go to the 7 grams of Beta-Alanine I'm using pre-workout. It's allowing me to grind out more reps, especially on lighter isolation movements. I'm like a freakin' machine lately. I was just curious to the extent of your apparent suffering from the effects of the paresthesia.
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Yeah I don't feel this at all. I'm currently dosing 6g BA between pre/intra w/o. I do notice strength lasting longer & a better pump. I too am on Prime, so that does skew it a bit, but I noticed a diff. when I aded BA, went to another level, from when I was running Prime alone.
 
Thanks a ton for the test product breakdown IC and Volcom! I decided to run BOTH TNT and Blue Up (2 bottles starting with x4 and ramping up to x6 depending on response).

The only decision left is whether to run them separately or together (they don't seem to overlap, and the stack would be ri-f**king-diculous; however, I'm not sure my tiny little wife could handle it RAWR!).
 
SokVichet said:
Thanks a ton for the test product breakdown IC and Volcom! I decided to run BOTH TNT and Blue Up (2 bottles starting with x4 and ramping up to x6 depending on response).

The only decision left is whether to run them separately or together (they don't seem to overlap, and the stack would be ri-f**king-diculous; however, I'm not sure my tiny little wife could handle it RAWR!).
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SokVichet said:
DONE. I'll need to log that craziness in a separate log, haha. ****, I'm getting all turned on just thinking about how ridiculous my drive's gonna get! Wife might have to recruit a friend or two to help out O.o
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I hear ya, I love impending libido! Good luck with it, bro.
 
Day 11

This is my first day adding the beloved test boost portion of my log.

I always start my morning with 2 CAPS of White Flood, after the initial onset of paresthesia, the rest of the dosages seem to bring about a heavily diminished degree of paresthesia.

My morning White Flood was accompanied by 2 caps DTH and 1 cap Sunami. I'll be looking forward to the addition of Icariin-50 by Wednesday.

I've taken DTH before and I'm curious to see if White Flood's vasodilating effects will be in any way beneficial to the circulation of the DTH and Sunami. I'm not sure how that would be measured, but I'll note anything out of the ordinary from my previous experiences.
 
Sorry to hear about the brack bruther - looks like you got a nice stack lined up! Give it hell!!Invalid Link Removed
 
Volcom, what's up brotha? I'm playing catch up, so I've got a bit to read here, but I just wanted to say hey! :D
 
VolcomX311 said:
Time to load the vitamin dispensers.

note to Shaddow,

Get with the '08 oval GNC vitamin dispensers, you can't roll to the club with your out of date square ones. Don't salt yourself out like that


THE OFFICIAL SHADDOW SMILEY

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LOL. I've got like... 10 of these old ones, and they're all like 7 years old, from back when I actually worked at GNC. LOL. I like to have several days lined up at a time so I can just grab my cases and go. At about a buck a piece, I'm gonna just stick with what I've got for now and not call it the old, outdated style, but instead the 'classic' style. :thumbsup:

Irish Cannon said:
Han't seen tha' boi 'round dees pots in few days nah. Reckon he's com'n 'roun soon?
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I'm here! Still catching up!! :D
 
Very Sciency Post - Broscientists Only.

In further investigation of the products I'm taking, I noticed that DTH does contain Icariin, but is initially listed as epimedium with Icariin in parenthesis, which is the standard manner of listing actually, but I was eye scrolling for Icariin and the epimedium did not catch my attention. Therefore, my initial impressions were that the addition of Icariin-50 "might" be a bit much. However, the value of Icariin listed in DTH isn't directly quantified, it's combined under the umbrella of a general proprietary blend consisting of 1,966 mg, and the Icariin is shared with about 21 other ingredients to make that 1,966 mg total.

Drive contains epimedium (Icariin) in a 90 mg proprietary blend, shared with three other ingredients, so I'll "assume" 30mg is dedicated to Icariin@4 caps per servings x twice a day = 180mg Icariin (for my personal dosing quantity based on bodyweight), combined with RPM which has Icariin under a 290mg proprietary blend, shared with three ingredients also, so I'll assume 96mg is dedicated to Icariin x 4@caps per serving x 1 = 386mg Icariin + Drive's 180mg Icariin totaling an estimated 556 mg Icariin when taking the Drive/RPM Stack.

That sort of gives me a standard. If the DTH proprietary blend was distributed evenly (which I doubt it is, but assuming) then that would be 93mg Icariin per cap x 6 = 561 mg Icariin.

Hmmm.... based on all of my ass-umptions in guesstimating Icariin values, I don't think I'd need anymore.

Let's tap into some Medical Research for help.

- Rats were tested with 300 mg/kg b.wt and 750 mg/kg b.wt, respectively, in studying oral Icariin and erectile dysfunction.
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- Another rat dosage at 60 and 120 mg/kg, by gavage for 3 months.
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- More rats at Icariin 225mg/kg per day
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The average rat weighs 2275g = 2.275kg. Therefore, taking the highest dose that I've found do far, which is 750mg x 2.275 = 1,706mg of Icariin, which means some rats could have taken up to 1,706mg that first study.

I weight 96 kg and if I were to add the Icariin-50 which is 500mg x3 + The DTH would be about 2,000mg (2,000mg "sounds" like a lot), it's just 2g. So far, this leads me to believe that adding the Icariin-50 may not be excessive, as it seems that most companies are basing their Icariin dosages based on rat studies (so it would seem, but seems to be experiencing success). A 2g intake would be excessive compared to the current standards, maybe this will add an interesting third element of experiencing the effects of Icariin mega dosing (by current standards).

Cool, a bit much to follow, but if this kind of stuff is of interest to you, then it wasn't a complete waste of time. Please let me know if I interpreted something wrong. I am not a self renowned science geek, so question my logic on a gray area topic is not offensive in any way to me.
 
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shaddow said:
LOL. I've got like... 10 of these old ones, and they're all like 7 years old, from back when I actually worked at GNC. LOL. I like to have several days lined up at a time so I can just grab my cases and go. At about a buck a piece, I'm gonna just stick with what I've got for now and not call it the old, outdated style, but instead the 'classic' style. :thumbsup:
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I do that as well. I have 7 of the '08 dispensers and 5 of the old square ones, but the old ones are too dirty now, so I stick with the '08 GNC spinners.
 
I read a post by any old Joe The Plumber poster, who's currently logging a DTH/Sunami stack, post that any NO product would enhance the effects of this stack. Chuck Diesel was also in the log and he didn't "correct" the guy, either way, its more confirming then negating regarding my theory that the vasodilation and now the NO perpetuated by White Flood would play a beneficial role.

The word "synergy" was used to be exact. Grain of salt or not, I'll know myself when I experience the effects first hand.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I do that as well. I have 7 of the '08 dispensers and 5 of the old square ones, but the old ones are too dirty now, so I stick with the '08 GNC spinners.
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Haha, I'm such a geek. I have a bag I carry with me to work containing pretty much everything I'll need during a day, and some emergency supplies as well. It has a very dev-geek logo/writing on the side so it looks like a developer/computer geek bag. It all comes with me whenever I might need it. The wife likes it cause she thinks it will prepare me for carrying around a baby-supply bag...
 
Steveoph said:
The amount of Icariin in drive was stated. I believe something like 6 caps had 50mg of actives, would have to check.

DTH contains a very potent 60% extract.
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60% extract doesn't mean 60% of the 1966 mg proprietary blend does it? Or does that 60% mean something else? Like the concentration of Icariin in the epimedium?
 
Gah sorry Volcom, no luck with the search engine. I remember rms or some other AN staff that posted an article about icariin, and then stated that the dosage they used (If I recall correctly, it worked out to 50mg ) is contained in 6 capsules. I have it written down because it was used in my calculations when I made my own Coleus/Icariin/GSE/GTE caps.

And sorry, it's a 60% extract of epimedium, not of total amount. He had a 40% extract, then bumped it up in the most recent batches.
 
SokVichet said:
Haha, I'm such a geek. I have a bag I carry with me to work containing pretty much everything I'll need during a day, and some emergency supplies as well. It has a very dev-geek logo/writing on the side so it looks like a developer/computer geek bag. It all comes with me whenever I might need it. The wife likes it cause she thinks it will prepare me for carrying around a baby-supply bag...
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That's hilarious about the baby-supply bag reason. I can see my girlfriend saying the same thing.
 
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Steveoph said:
Gah sorry Volcom, no luck with the search engine. I remember rms or some other AN staff that posted an article about icariin, and then stated that the dosage they used (If I recall correctly, it worked out to 50mg ) is contained in 6 capsules. I have it written down because it was used in my calculations when I made my own Coleus/Icariin/GSE/GTE caps.

And sorry, it's a 60% extract of epimedium, not of total amount. He had a 40% extract, then bumped it up in the most recent batches.
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Oh okay, so my guesstimations may still not be completely asinine. That's what I originally assumed the 60% meant.

This also means I over-estimated the amount of Icariin provided by Drive I assume, because RPM contains double the amount of proprietary blend compared to Drive, relative to the Icariin.
 
Libido is up. I'm really looking forward to tonight's workout. I'll be taking a 6 CAP dose of White Flood tonight, alongside with 2 caps DTH and 1 cap Sunami.

I will or won't be, most likely will be, including the Icariin-50 tomorrow or Wednesday.

The WF directions suggest a 45 min pre-workout time of ingestion, but I can feel the onset of the WF taking effect within 10-15 min (as indicated by the onset of paresthesia) depending on how empty my stomach is.
 
Steveoph said:
White Flood is very powerful stim-wise. The glucuro really spins me. And yea it kicks in fast, I remember feeling the GABA rush sometime that quickly. Also I think the breakdown of RPM vs. Drive is different, icariin wise.
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I believe RPM has more.
 
Steveoph said:
White Flood is very powerful stim-wise. The glucuro really spins me. And yea it kicks in fast, I remember feeling the GABA rush sometime that quickly. Also I think the breakdown of RPM vs. Drive is different, icariin wise.
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Good luck on your PRIME run by the way, I didn't know it contained both Creatine and BA, that alone is a double barrel. I already subbed, so best of wishes on that :cheers:

I for one enjoy USPLabs, and I really like Strategic and Mullet, so I feel bad that they have to spend so much time on damage control from disgruntle customers. Mullet seems to take the blunt of it, but he has thick skin and the real life arrogance to condescendingly brush it off. Strategic's just a great and helpful guy, so hopefully he doesn't have to get his hands too dirty with the disgruntles. I've never tried PRIME, but I've been a long time user of AP and I absolutely love Recreate. Products don't normally produce the results as advertised, i get that, there is a lot more proactive things you have to do in conjunction with supps to make them effective and I've been on supps long enough to have realistic, head out of the clouds expectation sfrom anything that doesn't require a SERM. Anyway, best of luck again :cheers:
 
hey there, volcom. i've never corresponded with you before, so it's like a stranger comin' into your house, but i wanna tell you "good luck" with this log. heck, you don't need it. you're workin' toward monster status.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Good luck on your PRIME run by the way, I didn't know it contained both Creatine and BA, that alone is a double barrel. I already subbed, so best of wishes on that :cheers:

I for one enjoy USPLabs, and I really like Strategic and Mullet, so I feel bad that they have to spend so much time on damage control from disgruntle customers. Mullet seems to take the blunt of it, but he has thick skin and the real life arrogance to condescendingly brush it off. Strategic's just a great and helpful guy, so hopefully he doesn't have to get his hands too dirty with the disgruntles. I've never tried PRIME, but I've been a long time user of AP and I absolutely love Recreate. Products don't normally produce the results as advertised, i get that, there is a lot more proactive things you have to do in conjunction with supps to make them effective and I've been on supps long enough to have realistic, head out of the clouds expectation sfrom anything that doesn't require a SERM. Anyway, best of luck again :cheers:
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Thanks man. I'm picking up lots of great workout ideas from your log; that squat workout was the most painful thing I've done. And the crazy thing is I'm looking forward to doing it straight through with 30lb DB's this time and seeing how it goes.

Also I'm hoping the release prime with more saponins will give me the kick I need. The claims for PRIME are very extravagant, but I'm approaching it the 2nd time with an open mind and the same determination and dedication at the gym. Strag and mullet do get alot of heat, but considering what Prime must be earning for them at that kind of price, I think they can put up with a respectable amount :)

Looking forward to seeing how do you on 6 DTH/day, I'm going to do DTH/Sunami once done Prime.
 
Manimalia said:
hey there, volcom. i've never corresponded with you before, so it's like a stranger comin' into your house, but i wanna tell you "good luck" with this log. heck, you don't need it. you're workin' toward monster status.
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Hey Manimalia, thanks for dropping by and its good to have you. I hope we see more of you around :cheers:
 
Day 11; What Tha Flood!

I don't know if my stomach was EXTRA empty or if it was some unbeknownst to myself, synergy going on, but tonight was EXCELLENT! The most notable thing today was my unceasing energy and tunnel vision focus. It was also nice to sweat like a pig again, White Flood has always made me sweat a ton. Back to the focus. I'm generally well focused, I have my mp3 and its me in my own little world, minimal eye contact and even less chatting. Even in my normal well focused state, if someone walks in front of my line of vision, I'll inadvertently look at them. If it's a girl, I do a an inherent body scan, if its a guy, I do an inherent comparison. However, today, even with people walking in front of me, my eyes never shifted, I was the only person at the gym today.

Energy was wicked. I wasn't stimmed, White Flood doesn't really "stim" me, but what does happen is I recover immediately after my set and the willingness to get right at it again was amazing.

I mentioned in my previous posts that as a result of my left pec "issue" I'll have to focus more attention to the posterior portion of my torso, in terms of delts, as front lifts cause too much contraction or forceful stretch in my pecs, and right now, that's a yellow flag area.

DELTS, with an emphasis on the rear delts.

Behind The Neck Shoulder Presses, machine
180lbs x 12 reps
195lbs x 12 reps
210lbs x 8 reps
225lbs x 8 reps
240lbs x 6 reps

Db Lateral Raises
35lbs Db's x 10 reps
40lbs Db's x 8 reps
45lbs Db's x 6 reps

**Volcom Special**
Vertical Preacher, Bent Over Db Reverse Flies
45lbs x 10 reps
45lbs x 8 reps
50lbs x 9 reps :aargh:
55lbs x 8 reps

Cable Crossover, Reverse Flies
60lbs x 15 reps
70lbs x 10 reps
80lbs x 8 reps

One Arm, Pronated Cable Rows
150lbs x 15 reps, each arm
180lbs x 12 reps, e.a.
200lbs x 10 reps, e.a.
220lbs x 8 reps, e.a.

Behind The Neck, Shrugs
225lbs x 15 reps
315lbs x 10 reps
375lbs x 10 reps
405lbs x 9 reps :head: [I haven't hit 405 for shrugs since I last aggravated my lower back last May]

Behind The Neck, Upright Rows
135lbs x 12 reps
145lbs x 10 reps
155lbs x 8 reps

That wraps it up. I don't know if DTH/Sunami offers a strength boost on the first day, but all i Know is, my limit on shrugs has been 375 the entire summer. Of course the Beta Alanine should be in full effect in my system by now and I'm sure that had something to do with it as well. My shrug repetitions felt less encumbered today.

My Db lat raises felt about the same, but my Bent Over Db reverse flies felt pretty tough. I was able to dig deeper with each set and when I moved from the 45's to the 50's, I actually increased a repetition.

I could feel my left pec straining while I was performing the shoulder presses, even though they were behind the neck. I probably could have gone up one more time, but I felt it in my left pec too much, so I thought I'd make it up elsewhere. All in all a great workout.
 
I took my 6 CAPS White Flood at 6:15pm, it's currently 9:11pm and the paresthesia is still kick'n underneath my skin. It's mostly around my face, hands and feet, which are bearable areas. It's when its on my legs, forearms, chest and back that it becomes a real undesired distraction from comfort.
 
Sheesh. That's a long time. I'm taking about 7grams of BA or so surrounding my workout and I don't even notice it...thankfully. I remember the very first time I took the stuff. It was horrible. The back/chest areas are the worst. I wanted to rip my skin off it itched so bad.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Sheesh. That's a long time. I'm taking about 7grams of BA or so surrounding my workout and I don't even notice it...thankfully. I remember the very first time I took the stuff. It was horrible. The back/chest areas are the worst. I wanted to rip my skin off it itched so bad.
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I almost did, I had claw marks that eventually scabbed because I was really digging into my skin.
 
all this talk of BA, its got me "itchin" to use my 500 grams sittin in my room right now.

did you guys catch the pun. itchin. ^^^^^ cuz it makes you itch? PM me if you didnt get it :toofunny:

shut up im ****ing hilarious.
 
BRO I AM SO WTH YOU ON THIS, BA is one of the wierdest feelings im only on 2 grams -3 grams perday, gradualy increasing, but i had such a hot flush in my face with it, like it was having hot pins stuck in my face, wierd.
Great log, good luck buddy. Russian
 
russianstar said:
BRO I AM SO WTH YOU ON THIS, BA is one of the wierdest feelings im only on 2 grams -3 grams perday, gradualy increasing, but i had such a hot flush in my face with it, like it was having hot pins stuck in my face, wierd.
Great log, good luck buddy. Russian
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Yup, that paresthesia is a biotch, but as you continue to take it and the BA saturates your system like Creatine, the paresthetic symptoms will eventually subside.
 
rolandajoint said:
all this talk of BA, its got me "itchin" to use my 500 grams sittin in my room right now.

did you guys catch the pun. itchin. ^^^^^ cuz it makes you itch? PM me if you didnt get it :toofunny:

shut up im ****ing hilarious.
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Somebody please rep Steveo again for finding this hilarious smiley site. This right here makes it head and shoulders above anything else

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VolcomX311 said:
I could feel my left pec straining while I was performing the shoulder presses, even though they were behind the neck. I probably could have gone up one more time, but I felt it in my left pec too much, so I thought I'd make it up elsewhere. All in all a great workout.
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Please be careful bro. I don't want you to go through what I went through 2 years ago. A torn pec sukks ballz dude!! It will definitely slow the training down for a couple of months. My pec is as strong or even stronger than before the tear, but the cosmetic aspect of it will remain forever. Warm up ridiculously well as you pyramid up to your work sets. Stretch a lot also. You know the drill. I'm merely preaching to the choir. But sometimes, the choir needs to be reminded! :rofl:
 
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