Be your own guinea pig - Oz finally hits up a 2 weeker!

ozarkaBRAND

ozarkaBRAND

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Yep. For those of you who have seen my post about them, and act like they were the greatest thing since sliced bread, well, here I am finally attempting one for myself. Here's a rundown of everything:

Starting weight/height: 166lbs @ 5'9"
Bf%: approximately 12-15% - I was 17% per DEXA at 185, so I'm rather certain I'm within the range listed.
Anabolics: E-Max @ 40mgs split into 2 doses - 1st dose with 2nd meal of day, then again 6 hrs later.
PCT: none - that's supposed to be the beauty of these 2 weekers, no pct necessary. If you're wondering why or how, search t-nation for bill roberts and read his "cycling: it's not just for steroids anymore" article.
PS... I have some AI's on hand just in case. Don't worry guys. I'm not!

My training is a modified westside for skinny bastards template with cardio 3-5 times per week (I'm cutting if you didn't know).

I'm also logging Prime, which I will continue to run throughout this whole experiment (check my Prime log for my reasoning behind this).

Welp, guys. It began a few hours ago. Now lets get this train a rollin'!! :head:
 
Subbed and first!

Are you running Dermacrine alongside it. Also are you throwing in some Sustain Alpha? (just seen you post about these before whilst mentioning you're 2 weekers)
 
Best of luck, I think your going to like the 2 weeks. Personally I found pulsing and also 30day cycles to work very well. Look forward to your progress especially with Prime
 
tnick7 said:
Are you running Dermacrine alongside it. Also are you throwing in some Sustain Alpha? (just seen you post about these before whilst mentioning you're 2 weekers)
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Nope. I'd love to have some Dermacrine in there, but as far as funds go, I'm at a bit of a loss, lol. I may throw in some oral DHEA.. we'll see though.
Rugger said:
no pct needed? wtf mate! How long to you have to take off inbetween runs then?
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2 weeks on, 2-4 weeks off.. I'll post a link to the thread that talks the most about it... Stay tuned!!
jminis said:
Best of luck, I think your going to like the 2 weeks. Personally I found pulsing and also 30day cycles to work very well. Look forward to your progress especially with Prime
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Thanks man. I'm pretty psyched.
Zero V said:
I am interested in this, its supposed to be lower risk right?

Subbed. GL mate.
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I'm thinking yeah, but the main benefit to this is the lack of suppression and super-quick recovery of the HPTA.

hman, futurepilot, austin, Uh!! Welcome fellas!
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
Yep. For those of you who have seen my post about them, and act like they were the greatest thing since sliced bread, well, here I am finally attempting one for myself. Here's a rundown of everything:

Starting weight/height: 166lbs @ 5'9"
Bf%: approximately 12-15% - I was 17% per DEXA at 185, so I'm rather certain I'm within the range listed.
Anabolics: E-Max @ 40mgs split into 2 doses - 1st dose with 2nd meal of day, then again 6 hrs later.
PCT: none - that's supposed to be the beauty of these 2 weekers, no pct necessary. If you're wondering why or how, search t-nation for bill roberts and read his "cycling: it's not just for steroids anymore" article.
PS... I have some AI's on hand just in case. Don't worry guys. I'm not!

My training is a modified westside for skinny bastards template with cardio 3-5 times per week (I'm cutting if you didn't know).

I'm also logging Prime, which I will continue to run throughout this whole experiment (check my Prime log for my reasoning behind this).

Welp, guys. It began a few hours ago. Now lets get this train a rollin'!! :head:
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What is your goal(s) with E-max? This a straight cutter? Or?

Good luck!

-Papa!-
 
That article was geared toward injectable, though. The htpa suppression is worse with orals, right? So maybe the theory isn't as solid with orals vs. pinning.
 
Rugger said:
That article was geared toward injectable, though. The htpa suppression is worse with orals, right? So maybe the theory isn't as solid with orals vs. pinning.
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It included orals towards the middleish, maybe the end of the article. Also, check out the thread I posted. Most commonly used anabolics were orals.
 
In the article I saw where it mentioned orals, but I thought it was speaking to them being used in the off weeks, not the 'on' weeks.
 
Rugger said:
In the article I saw where it mentioned orals, but I thought it was speaking to them being used in the off weeks, not the 'on' weeks.
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He does write about using them in the off weeks, yes (which I won't be doing). But, he also says that this method applies to several different orals.. I believe he specifically mentions 4-AD.. and a few others I don't remember.

But you know, even if the suppression is pretty bad during those 2 weeks, the bounce back should still be relatively quick. From what I gathered in the article, and the thread, it's all about LH sensitivity at that 2 week mark.
 
well, I hope it works for you. I'd definitely give it a try if it works for you. No pct supps? Hell yeah!
 
Rugger said:
Why don't you use superdrol instead of epi?
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Did you read my mind?

I want to. I have some SNS Methyl-drol XT coming in the mail soon hopefully (from a nice lil trade). Supposedly it was produced from the same set of raws as the original AX SD. So, if this first run goes well, I'll plan on SD for my 2nd run.
 
subbed, and my thoughts on short cycles, well I have done some and I`m not sold to them in terms of mass gains, of course we can make some improvement but we will always feel a little disappointment when we finish the 2 weeker, when we start to see something , we stop ,for me 2 weeks no more.
The good thing is no sides but I prefer some sides and see results.

OZ I wish the best of luck bro, and please don't see my words like a negative thought on your cycle, I believe we should do short cycles , they help us knowing how our body reacts to aas, if they work great, unfurtunately in my case they are just a waste of time.
IMO the best cost/benefit cycles are the ones between 4 and 6 weeks
 
nunes said:
subbed, and my thoughts on short cycles, well I have done some and I`m not sold to them in terms of mass gains, of course we can make some improvement but we will always feel a little disappointment when we finish the 2 weeker, when we start to see something , we stop ,for me 2 weeks no more.
The good thing is no sides but I prefer some sides and see results.

OZ I wish the best of luck bro, and please don't see my words like a negative thought on your cycle, I believe we should do short cycles , they help us knowing how our body reacts to aas, if they work great, unfurtunately in my case they are just a waste of time.
IMO the best cost/benefit cycles are the ones between 4 and 6 weeks
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I won't view it as negative. Thanks for your thoughts man.. And thanks for the luck!
 
crazyfool405 said:
yea and 2 workouts per muscle group. how much do you think youll grow and keep like that?

i would say do 3 weeks and do a DC style 3 way training so you hit each body part a lil more. maybe 4 times i think
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Actually, it'll equate to 4 workouts for upper body, and 4 workouts for lower body.
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
Actually, it'll equate to 4 workouts for upper body, and 4 workouts for lower body.
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which would be a full extra fullbody workout in that week, which i would think would be better then a little 2 weeker,

i never understood 2 week-3 week cycles.
id rather gains minimize (or not gain at all)in week 4 then not run it 4 full weeks.

best cycle is 4-6 weeks, exception would be 8-12 (bold MAYBE tren)
 
crazyfool405 said:
by doing 3 weeks, and a 3 way DC style training you get a whole extra workout in on every body part.... could be much better then 2 weeks.
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Read the article going 3 weeks messes up what he is doing. Go with the 2 on 2off ozarka. I am very interested in this!
 
I am still a doubter. It takes time to accumulate skeletal muscle protein. In two weeks I am guessing that the max you could gain (outside of water/fat retention) would be 5 pounds. Also, it has been shown that only 15 mg of oxandrolone per day (avery low dose of a non-aromatizing steroid) reduces androgens levels by 30% after just 5 days. So, I am betting that any real dose of androgen (especially those that aromatize) will result in near total shut down after to weeks. Just my 2 cents.
 
I gained most of my weight on Havoc before day 16-17 probably. This will definitely be interesting. You had better keep a damned detailed log!
 
sethroberts said:
I am still a doubter. It takes time to accumulate skeletal muscle protein. In two weeks I am guessing that the max you could gain (outside of water/fat retention) would be 5 pounds. Also, it has been shown that only 15 mg of oxandrolone per day (avery low dose of a non-aromatizing steroid) reduces androgens levels by 30% after just 5 days. So, I am betting that any real dose of androgen (especially those that aromatize) will result in near total shut down after to weeks. Just my 2 cents.
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It's not really the shutdown that is the concern here. It's the ultra-sensitivity to LH at the 2 week mark. Much more so than any other time further down the yellow brick road... err, cycle road.
Rugger said:
I gained most of my weight on Havoc before day 16-17 probably. This will definitely be interesting. You had better keep a damned detailed log!
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Yes sir!
Ps.. What dose did you run Rugger?
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
It's not really the shutdown that is the concern here. It's the ultra-sensitivity to LH at the 2 week mark. Much more so than any other time further down the yellow brick road... err, cycle road.
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Yeah, I get you and the longer you are suppressed, the harder it is to recover but I suspect that it will take at least 4 to 6 weeks to fully recover after a 2 weeker and in the end I am partial to longer cycles at more moderate doses.
 
Day 2:

Today is an off day as far as training goes.. I did however walk nearly 3 miles today between class and other obligations. Had a job interview today too, at Marble frickin' Slab! Can you say, "working for the enemy"? lol.. I can sell it, but I ain't gotta eat it!

Tomorrow will be max effort lower body. I can't wait. I modified the westside template a bit more to include some Chad Waterbury stuff. I'm very excited. The CW stuff will mostly come into play on upper body day.. Lower body days, there wasn't much I needed/wanted to change.

I'll update with a run-down of my diet tonight (gonna try to do this each night). Peace killas.
 
sethroberts said:
Yeah, I get you and the longer you are suppressed, the harder it is to recover but I suspect that it will take at least 4 to 6 weeks to fully recover after a 2 weeker and in the end I am partial to longer cycles at more moderate doses.
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I feel ya. I hope this works like it is supposed to.. not fully sure, hence the guinea pig thing.. lol
 
im really becoming interested in these short "cycles". gains wont be as dramatic, but sides and shutdown will be far less and easy to recover from it seems.

might have to try this in a month or 2 :twisted:
 
nosnmiveins said:
im really becoming interested in these short "cycles". gains wont be as dramatic, but sides and shutdown will be far less and easy to recover from it seems.

might have to try this in a month or 2 :twisted:
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Haha.. a month or.... none, lol..

I'm thinking SD for my next 2 weeker depending on how this one goes. SD might actually result in some dramatic gains.
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
It's not really the shutdown that is the concern here. It's the ultra-sensitivity to LH at the 2 week mark. Much more so than any other time further down the yellow brick road... err, cycle road.
Yes sir!
Ps.. What dose did you run Rugger?
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I bounced around with the second two weeks usually at 50 or 60 a day. I also took them all about an hour before workout. None of this spreading the dose out crap!
 
09/22 Diet:

Meal 1 - 4 slices of sprouted whole wheat berries bread (GI of 5, yeah, effin' 5!), 4 slices of turkey bacon, 3 tbsp natty pb w/ scoop of cinammon bun whey mixed in.. approximately 750 calories
Meal 2 - salad, 5 oz turkey breast (99/1.. super-lean), 3/4 tbsp EVOO, 1 tbsp parmesan cheese400 calories
Meal 3 - 1 can no salt added french cut green beans, 5 oz ground turkey, 1 tbsp parmesan cheese, 1/2 of a mango.. approx 400 calories
Meal 4 - 1 can of no salt added french cut green beans, 5 oz ground turkey breat, 1 tbsp parmesan cheese, 1 tbsp pesto sauce, 2 slices of sprouted ww berry bread w/ flax... approx 500 calories
Meal 5 - 2 slices of the same bread I had at breakfast, 2 tbsp natty pb, 3/4 scoop of cinnamon bun whey.. approx 450 cals

Total cals - about 2500

Boom. Let me know what ya'll think. And by the way, the green beans things I do is amazing.. AMAZING. Use the right spices and you can eat it all day everyday, like I currently do :)
 
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