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Reaper X: 7 month transformation without steroids

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Also too, it is NOT impossible to get lean and vascular without clen/steroid cocktails.

Sporto is also natural yet somehow he also got in the same condition (and eventually even drier/leaner/harder).


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ReaperX said:
Also too, it is NOT impossible to get lean and vascular without clen/steroid cocktails.

Sporto is also natural yet somehow he also got in the same condition (and eventually even drier/leaner/harder).


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Seems as though you made the exact opposite argument in your 300 steroids thread...?
 
For hollywood stars with a busted 'base body' getting into shape in 12 weeks, yup. With the exception of a few hollywood stars, most of them don't live a bb'ing lifestyle. Not even close.



This took me 7 months of eating strict. I can't say I gained an insane amount of muscle, def. less than 10 lbs. It was more of a cutting up phase for me.


Hollywood seems to always gain muscle+cut up all the time. I can't gain muscle/cut up simultaneously. Even at being extremely strict, I'd only be able to make minimal gains. I am one of those people who has to do it in seperate phases.




btw, what is that avatar of ? that sketch of the face.
 
ReaperX said:
For hollywood stars with a busted 'base body' getting into shape in 12 weeks, yup. With the exception of a few hollywood stars, most of them don't live a bb'ing lifestyle. Not even close.



This took me 7 months of eating strict. I can't say I gained an insane amount of muscle, def. less than 10 lbs. It was more of a cutting up phase for me.


Hollywood seems to always gain muscle+cut up all the time. I can't gain muscle/cut up simultaneously. Even at being extremely strict, I'd only be able to make minimal gains. I am one of those people who has to do it in seperate phases.




btw, what is that avatar of ? that sketch of the face.
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That "before" picture of you just looks like a fat little kid (maybe 12 yrs old) with no muscle. Then 7 months later, you see a much more "adult" looking body that is extremely vascular with a lot of added muscle. Personally, I don't even think the two are the same person. There is no reason to not uncover the faces of these is there? Black out the eyes just like you did on the other pic you had a couple months ago --- which, now that I think about it looks a lot like the before picture ie. no muscle on the frame at all.
 
Sorry if it dosen't fit your expectations blackjack.

I posted my hawaii pic back in the day in my energy drink thread. On top of that I had more mass than most ppl here would like to acknowledge with fat as well. I didn't 'just start working out' when I joined this board last year.


I'll post pics again later on in a few months.


Instead of ripping on my pics, why don't you try bringing up that lagging chest of yours and get some real abs ?



You have a very small chest for doing steroids. (maybe a 12yr old little girls) ? You posted a pic of your stash which included a bunch of designers plus you've mentioned doing 'cycles' before. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume they were 'light' and you've done a minimal number of them.


I ignored your first comment, but now you are just being a prick.


Seems like your physique can use some constructive criticism as well.


I'd request that you stop posting crap in my thread.
 
If you believe it's him then give him props and ask questions.
If you don't then move on or show proof that this isn't him. Constantly coming back to question him because of a head shot is a bit much since most people here don't provide head shots.

It may or may not be him and quite honestly I don't care. Especially since he's not trying to use his transformation to push potentially dangerous 'ideas' down people's throats. He's saying it was diet and training and that he didn't get a ton of muscle but cut up the fat. Nothing too extreme...
 
ReaperX said:
My legs were overpowering before so I lightened the weight and they shunk some.

Wheb I take another picture again ill get a picture of legs.


In re: steroids

I've used 6-bromo before

2 weeks of furaz

3 days of sd
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No sweat, I just wanted to clarify. Some people dont consider these new designers "steroids".

What was your cardio/weight training schedule like?

How much weight did you drop?

And last but not least...must have leg pics. por favor.
 
futurepilot said:
No sweat, I just wanted to clarify. Some people dont consider these new designers "steroids".

What was your cardio/weight training schedule like?

How much weight did you drop?

And last but not least...must have leg pics. por favor.
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I began my dieting back in Oct '07 with a 30/45/25 ratio. c/p/f.

I did this for 4 months combined with high volume training and cardio approx 4 times a week. The high volume took forever to do and it was not a 'mass building' routine per se, but it helped burn extra calories combined with the cardio. High volume training was 3 exercises per bodypart, 4 sets each. 12 reps for each set. Weight training was done 4 times a week: Arms/Delts, Chest, Back/Traps, Legs. Same days as cardio, but before the cardio.


I always ran into a roadblock and I'd only get to 12% BF every time, esp with me being an endomorphic. I figured if I followed my ratios it would bring me down to shredded conditioning. Not quite.


So here I was with an increase protein intake, slight increase with fat, but still intaking carbs (low glycemic), but oats/sweet potatos, etc.


After 4 months, I stopped with the oats/sweet potatos, and moved into fresh veggies/fruits. I still kept my protein intake high and fat intake, however I started lowering my carb intake even lower, and splitting it up 50% throughout the day, 25% pre-workout, 25% post-workout.

On cardio/non-workout days, my carb intake was approx 50% of what it normally was otherwise else.


For the next 3 months, I did cardio 3 times a week, and lifted heavy 3 times a week. Chest/Delts/Tris, Back/Bi/Traps, Legs.


Cardio was always low-impact for 45 min @ heart rate of 140-145 I believe.

I didn't use a fat burner at the time, although I wish I did as it probably would have somewhat helped the process.

Once you get close to 10% BF it's all diet from there on out (for me).



When I was very heavy before, I shed off a lot of fat initially, then towards the end it was a very long process.

Got to sub 10% BF for the first time, drank red wine which is an old bodybuilding trick for vascularity, then took the pics which you see above.



Currently using the 3 way doggcrapp split for training. Carb cut-off @ 6pm. Protein is approx 200-210g. Carbs is around 100g-110g. (it depends).

I try to eat protein every other hour to keep a positive nitrogen balance.


I'm not 100% sure on my prior stats. Everything I stated earlier was a guesstimate to the best of my knowledge. I was steadily gaining weight in general until around Oct and getting heavier and heavier.


This is what I did as an endo.

I think that covers it.


Peak fat was around 186lbs.
 
Did you see any real difference between cardio after working out, to cardio on its own day?

Im doing something similar right now. Im doing as much protein as i can stomach. keeping my carbs less than 200 ED. And every few days ill either carb up, or not eat any carbs.
Seems to be working. I've been able to keep my size, but im steadily losing my gut.
 
ReaperX said:
You have a very small chest for doing steroids. (maybe a 12yr old little girls) ? You posted a pic of your stash which included a bunch of designers plus you've mentioned doing 'cycles' before. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume they were 'light' and you've done a minimal number of them.
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Never been told I have a small chest by anyone. But hell there is always a first ehh?

Keep up the good work naturally bro. Your making great progress! If we could all grow "naturally" as you do, we'd have no use for any type of exogenous help. ;)
 
bLacKjAck. said:
Never been told I have a small chest by anyone. But hell there is always a first ehh?

Keep up the good work naturally bro. Your making great progress! If we could all grow "naturally" as you do, we'd have no use for any type of exogenous help. ;)
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Ok.
 
futurepilot said:
Did you see any real difference between cardio after working out, to cardio on its own day?

Im doing something similar right now. Im doing as much protein as i can stomach. keeping my carbs less than 200 ED. And every few days ill either carb up, or not eat any carbs.
Seems to be working. I've been able to keep my size, but im steadily losing my gut.
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I always did them together for time constraints. The only time I did cardio seperately on its own day is if I skipped it another day b/c I had to cut a workout short.


Let me know if you try it and see any difference.
 
9-10%? I'd wager ~7-6%; you're selling yourself short. Perhaps the "androgenic" look could have come from oxygen deprivation- I notice I assume the same crazy vascular look when I force the blood to rush to my head, but I'm pretty "veiny" anyhow. Could be a reason for whiting out the face, too.

Anyhow, you're straight shredded, nice job.
 
I don't see what is so hard to believe here.. You can clearly see he is not huge. He is pretty well proportioned, and is in great shape. Not like he posted that before pic, and for his after pic he is 190 and 9% body fat..

To go from a chubby 190+ down to a shredded 170-175, should not be that hard to believe..

You can't compare musculature, and vascularity of him at 20%, with a shirt on, standing there, to him shirtless, sub 10%, flexing.
 
MrBrightside said:
9-10%? I'd wager ~7-6%; you're selling yourself short. Perhaps the "androgenic" look could have come from oxygen deprivation- I notice I assume the same crazy vascular look when I force the blood to rush to my head, but I'm pretty "veiny" anyhow. Could be a reason for whiting out the face, too.

Anyhow, you're straight shredded, nice job.
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Thanks. At the time I used one of those 'step on scales' that shows the weight/BF%. At the time it beeped @ 9.5% with a +/- of .5%, meaning it could have either been 9%-10% according to that machine anyway. That's where I came up with the stat.

I agree with holding your breath, I did that in the pic. I drank some red wine as well to bring out some vascularity.
 
imprezivr6 said:
I don't see what is so hard to believe here.. You can clearly see he is not huge. He is pretty well proportioned, and is in great shape. Not like he posted that before pic, and for his after pic he is 190 and 9% body fat..

To go from a chubby 190+ down to a shredded 170-175, should not be that hard to believe..

You can't compare musculature, and vascularity of him at 20%, with a shirt on, standing there, to him shirtless, sub 10%, flexing.
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Maybe if I said I stacked H-Drol(overdosed), Epi(overdosed),clen,T3,DNP,HGH,Ephedrine, and Yohimbe this would be more believable.
 
There is some serious Hatorade being passed out at the AM water cooler; respect the man, respect his gains, and move on. Even if he were an impostor, you'd be giving him credence by mentioning it. I highly doubt many people are that industrious enough to find congruent amateur-ish photos to perpetuate a lie on the internet.
 
to be accused of using roids when one hasn't is a compliment, you must be doing something right RX!

keep it up

:thumbsup:
 
reaper, how is/was your energy level when you cut your carbs low? Did your energy level suffer? If so what did you do to help with this?
 
NasD said:
reaper, how is/was your energy level when you cut your carbs low? Did your energy level suffer? If so what did you do to help with this?
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My energy levels were shot and since I am an endo it was exercabated more than it probably needed to be. I adapted to the lethargy after about 3 weeks. I increased my healthy fat intake and took stims. I recall telling someone about this and how it was difficult in the beginning juggling school/work while dieting in this fashion.


I think most ppl go through this mode then you are getting to the point where you are eating trace carbs. I tried slowly pyramiding downwards to ease into it, but it was still not easy by any means.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Umm your much lower than 9-10% in those pics. I'd say as low as 5-6%
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I've noticed that the step-on scales seem to estimate slightly high for some reason.....that is if it even works.

I haven't gotten a test where I am put into water, but I did have one many, many months back where I had about 10 electrodes put on me and hooked up to a machine to measure BF%.

This was back in Dec '06.


I'm contemplating getting some calipers, but I'm not sure how accurate those are either.
 
ReaperX said:
I've noticed that the step-on scales seem to estimate slightly high for some reason.....that is if it even works.

I haven't gotten a test where I am put into water, but I did have one many, many months back where I had about 10 electrodes put on me and hooked up to a machine to measure BF%.

This was back in Dec '06.


I'm contemplating getting some calipers, but I'm not sure how accurate those are either.
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Yah those scales suck... an experienced impartial eye is pretty accurate. I would take my estimate to be a good one.
 
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How did the Orastan-A work out for you. Didn't you say you were running it after X-factor.
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I had 2 bottles of Gaspari's Orastan-A that I never used. I sold them earlier this year, bought Furazadrol and kept the extra cash.


Furazadrol (clone) had a negative effect on my blood pressure which caused me to have nosebleeds on 2 seperate occasions.


I am prone to high blood pressure though due to abusing stimulants and my excessive Type A personality. I had another friend who used Furazadrol though and experienced no negative side effects at all.


I'm not sure about the 2 weeks I used it. I was only dosing it at 150mg (3 caps/ED). I wasn't on long enough to gauge its effectiveness.
 
yea reap your lean as hell bro. I got the water thing done about 2.5 years ago and look'd about the same as you and it came back 5.87% Skin calipers had me a 4.67% and the electronic garbage said 8.5% I think.

Ahh those were the days. I'm trying to get back there. Slow but surely. I then did that same thing you did and let myself go for a few months and paid dearly.
 
Props my man, natty or not thats impressive, very impressive.

To boast oneself on an internet and post fake pics would just make me feel even more like crap if i was lieing about it. So where he would benefit from the attention, when in reality it wouldnt be him i dont know.

There will always be 2 sides to everything my friend. The good...and the bad..


Keep up the progress Reap! :clap2:
 
I shared my photos with another member here back in may when they were taken. I decided to post them as many of you probably remember the fat guy pics from last year. Also too to show that losing 14lbs in 7 months is not impossible. I never lied about being fat and even posted a pic back in oct when I was.



I put in the title "without steriods". That does not mean a mild dose or a cycle that I forgot about. It means without steriods. End of story.


If you are training right and eat only fruits and veggies as carb sources you are going to get shredded.



There is a pre-disposed mindset with people here that you need to be some kind of drug abuser to get a nice physique.
 
Your homework assignment is to apply Occam's Razor to the following situations and then read the conclusion and then shut the hell up.

Situation 1:
He is the ripped guy lying about being the fat guy at the zoo.
The allure of this hypothesis is that by pulling off the lie, he may end up wining a transformation contest with material benefits.

Situation 2:
He is the fat guy at the zoo, lying about being the ripped guy now.
The draw here is a fat guy that wants to be ripped...nothing novel about that. But in this case "being ripped" offers no material gain, no chance of getting laid for being ripped, essentially none of the benefits of being ripped.

Situation 3:
He is neither the fat guy, nor the ripped guy. He is however, a computer program designed to preoccupy losers with douche-level detective work.
I could go on about this, but as this is an Occam's exercise, it should be readily apparent that this is a foil designed only to show how truth and simplicity are usually synonyms.

Situation 4:
He is telling the truth.

Conclusion:
No matter how you cut it, you are wasting your time. Did millions of years of evolution produce a neural network that can still best any super-computer out there in sheer force of extrapolative computational skills so that you can wax observational about some set of pictures in cyberspace.

Get ahold of yourself men. We are not chics. We are men. We do not hate on each other for looking good. That is what "they" want us to do. They want us to grow vaginas and turn into chics so that we can be more easily controlled. Do not give in. Do not go quietly into that good night.

If it is indeed him, and he did do it naturally (or even if he is juiced to the damn gills), kudos are in order. If not, we are the arseholes for giving a rats patoody, not him.
 
I think enough people saw my pics to draw their own conclusion that I am removing them at this point.

This is utterly ridiculous how I am being put in a doubtful/negative light and the steroids issue keeps coming up again and again.


People use supplements and steroids too much as a crutch. Anytime I see someone who posts a good physique the first question that comes up is: 'What supps did you take ?'


Then those same people go out and buy the supplements that that person is using. As if somehow it'll do something similar for them as well. (bandwagon mentality). Newsflash: IT WON'T, AND YOU JUST WASTED YOUR MONEY.


I agree though that steroids aren't muscles in a bottle or a magic pill. I've seen enough users who run cycles and still look bad and weigh in at 150lbs.
 
Yes like I said people are giving drugs too much credit. Diet and exercise ...
 
ReaperX said:
For hollywood stars with a busted 'base body' getting into shape in 12 weeks, yup. With the exception of a few hollywood stars, most of them don't live a bb'ing lifestyle. Not even close.



This took me 7 months of eating strict. I can't say I gained an insane amount of muscle, def. less than 10 lbs. It was more of a cutting up phase for me.


Hollywood seems to always gain muscle+cut up all the time. I can't gain muscle/cut up simultaneously. Even at being extremely strict, I'd only be able to make minimal gains. I am one of those people who has to do it in seperate phases.




btw, what is that avatar of ? that sketch of the face.
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Rergarding the 300 thread, Gerard did exactly what you say you did, cut the fat/uncover muscle in 20 weeks.

Cutting 14lbs in 7 months isn't a lot at all. You don't have to 'live a bb'ing lifestyle' to drop a little fat...
 
Xodus said:
Rergarding the 300 thread, Gerard did exactly what you say you did, cut the fat/uncover muscle in 20 weeks.

Cutting 14lbs in 7 months isn't a lot at all. You don't have to 'live a bb'ing lifestyle' to drop a little fat...
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"For anyone that doubts food is the greatest anabolic in your arsenal, you better get up to speed and on the same page as what my trainees have found out. " -Doggcrapp
 
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