Young Liberals are Killing America

SureShot

SureShot

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I generally do not post much, and have rarely posted in this forum, but I just wanted to share something with everyone here.

I come from a fairly privileged background, being that my family was upper-middle class and I always had everything I needed. I went to a private four year college that was paid for mostly by my parents, and I am sure there are many on here that were brought up the same way. However, I have had a job since the age of 15, anything that I wanted or felt I needed, I paid for, be it a car, rent, you name it. My parents never spoiled me, and taught me the value of hard work and helping others. Now here is my rant:

My neighborhood and the majority of my city is over run with young liberal yuppies with no jobs, bachelor's and master's degrees, living off of there parents until the ripe age of ****ing 30. These are the same people that seem to have an opinion on everything, despite having no experience in the real world beyond partying and sipping coffee all day on their parent's dime.
These same people shop at the friggen salvation army to make themselves look poor, refuse to shower, and refuse to shave. They show up at every rally, sympathize with criminals and low-lifes while wearing their "Free Mumia" t-shirts.

Basically, I feel the value of hard work is gone, these liberals feel that everything should be handed to them. They are driving up my damn rent by paying twice the market rate to live in the ghetto and are the driving force behind the "pussification" of America. Instead of getting JOBS after they graduate college, they hang out, smoke cigarettes, skateboard, and then go get a master's degree in finger painting or whatever.

And that is all...opinions anyone?
 
Sounds like you live in a Brett Easton Ellis novel. All I can say is they'll eventually grow out of it, especially when they see people like you actually do something with your life, and go places while they're sitting there smoking and wearing flannel. My hats off to you for recognizing a fad, and sticking to what you feel is right for you.
 
SureShot said:
I generally do not post much, and have rarely posted in this forum, but I just wanted to share something with everyone here.

I come from a fairly privileged background, being that my family was upper-middle class and I always had everything I needed. I went to a private four year college that was paid for mostly by my parents, and I am sure there are many on here that were brought up the same way. However, I have had a job since the age of 15, anything that I wanted or felt I needed, I paid for, be it a car, rent, you name it. My parents never spoiled me, and taught me the value of hard work and helping others. Now here is my rant:

My neighborhood and the majority of my city is over run with young liberal yuppies with no jobs, bachelor's and master's degrees, living off of there parents until the ripe age of ****ing 30. These are the same people that seem to have an opinion on everything, despite having no experience in the real world beyond partying and sipping coffee all day on their parent's dime.
These same people shop at the friggen salvation army to make themselves look poor, refuse to shower, and refuse to shave. They show up at every rally, sympathize with criminals and low-lifes while wearing their "Free Mumia" t-shirts.

Basically, I feel the value of hard work is gone, these liberals feel that everything should be handed to them. They are driving up my damn rent by paying twice the market rate to live in the ghetto and are the driving force behind the "pussification" of America. Instead of getting JOBS after they graduate college, they hang out, smoke cigarettes, skateboard, and then go get a master's degree in finger painting or whatever.

And that is all...opinions anyone?
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wow... so you are from south florida as well???

i feel for you man.. dont know where you are from, but thats the story of my life.. i grew up in a upper-middle class family in a very nice part of south florida.. never 'rich' but always comfortable..
got a job at 15, worked my butt off, paid for all the cars i ever owned, all my bills, paid for college 100% myself.. but my parents instilled a great work ethic into me.. which has paid off better than anything else

its frustrating to watch the privileged guys you grew up with passing through life doing nothing.. my one buddy 'works from home' but we are all convinced he does nothing all day. he just rides his daddys coattails and drives his audi.

but at the end of the day, i have learned one valuable lesson: worry only about yourself

eventually everything catches up with people... at the end of the day, their opinions and liberal views are just that: theirs

take pride in what you have and the fact that you grew up better than 95% of the kids in the world... im sure the rich kids look at the richer kids and wonder what its like... what im trying to say is that the grass is always greener on the other side
 
Though I agree with 95% of SureShot's post, and in general his outlook on life, I do need to mention one thing:

Most people who think they grew up "upper middle class" were actually pretty damn rich. They just don't realize it. Fortunately, the reason they are rich usually has a lot to do with the work ethic... (their parents, and later, their own)

He probably grew up better than 99.95% of the rest of the world, and 99.5% of America. "Rich" in south florida is a VERY different thing than "rich" elsewhere. Know that in most of the rest of the country, if you see a BMW driving through town, you notice. When I lived in south florida, I would usually see multiple Maseratis or Bentleys on the way home from work.

Don't think that your parent's money didn't help you out in life.. it did... but that doesn't discount the fact that the reason that they had the money in the first place was probably hard work and a good work ethic. And I'm sure it was passed down to you.

You guys are pretty dead on with your points though. These artsy yokels will eventually grow out of it.

Of course, I wouldn't say that they are killing america. All the legislators out there that are inflicting their morals on us are the ones killing America. Don't tell me what to eat, drink, what medicines i can take, what guns I can own, or who I can do what with. Why can't they just leave us alone? LOL
 
TheAnimalG said:
He probably grew up better than 99.95% of the rest of the world, and 99.5% of America. "Rich" in south florida is a VERY different thing than "rich" elsewhere. Know that in most of the rest of the country, if you see a BMW driving through town, you notice. When I lived in south florida, I would usually see multiple Maseratis or Bentleys on the way home from work.
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hahah good point. i probably see 1000 BMWs everyday. ****..kids at my high school had them alot of them.. but those were the rich kids who didnt work.. there is a huge difference in florida from rich to upper middle class
ill generally drive next to at least 1 $500k car a day and not even blink an eye... its normal down here

problem down here is that real estate is generally high, and wages are average since you dont need to entice people with attractive wages to move to florida..most people will work for 10-20k less a year (compared to the north) in exchange for the weather and environment
 
TheAnimalG said:
Though I agree with 95% of SureShot's post, and in general his outlook on life, I do need to mention one thing:

Most people who think they grew up "upper middle class" were actually pretty damn rich. They just don't realize it. Fortunately, the reason they are rich usually has a lot to do with the work ethic... (their parents, and later, their own)

He probably grew up better than 99.95% of the rest of the world, and 99.5% of America. "Rich" in south florida is a VERY different thing than "rich" elsewhere. Know that in most of the rest of the country, if you see a BMW driving through town, you notice. When I lived in south florida, I would usually see multiple Maseratis or Bentleys on the way home from work.

Don't think that your parent's money didn't help you out in life.. it did... but that doesn't discount the fact that the reason that they had the money in the first place was probably hard work and a good work ethic. And I'm sure it was passed down to you.

You guys are pretty dead on with your points though. These artsy yokels will eventually grow out of it.

Of course, I wouldn't say that they are killing america. All the legislators out there that are inflicting their morals on us are the ones killing America. Don't tell me what to eat, drink, what medicines i can take, what guns I can own, or who I can do what with. Why can't they just leave us alone? LOL
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I agree with most of your post, by the way i grew up in Rhode Island, and upper-middle class there is probably definitely middle class in south florida lol. I do say in my post that my parents money did help me, hell it put me through most of college. I now live in NYC (the most liberal city around east of California) and it seems to me that the only people who's opinions are listened to are those who have not walked the walk so to speak. I cant listen to some 10 year college wonder who's idea of a job is painting in the basement of a 2100 dollar a month apt that is paid for by mommy and daddy, but these are the "sympathizers" that are helping to influence politics and social demographics, not to mention driving up my damn rent. They also seem to blame everyone else for everything while having no DRIVE in their lives at all. I know some will grow out of it, but when i see MEN in their 30's skateboarding and wearing old ratty shirts playing it off like they are poor when they live in an area where the rents are astronomically high I get irritated.
 
SureShot said:
I agree with most of your post, by the way i grew up in Rhode Island, and upper-middle class there is probably definitely middle class in south florida lol. I do say in my post that my parents money did help me, hell it put me through most of college. I now live in NYC (the most liberal city around east of California) and it seems to me that the only people who's opinions are listened to are those who have not walked the walk so to speak. I cant listen to some 10 year college wonder who's idea of a job is painting in the basement of a 2100 dollar a month apt that is paid for by mommy and daddy, but these are the "sympathizers" that are helping to influence politics and social demographics, not to mention driving up my damn rent. They also seem to blame everyone else for everything while having no DRIVE in their lives at all. I know some will grow out of it, but when i see MEN in their 30's skateboarding and wearing old ratty shirts playing it off like they are poor when they live in an area where the rents are astronomically high I get irritated.
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It sounds like you're talking about hipsters. I live in Williamsburg Brooklyn...aka Hipsterville. I hate them too. In fact, I eat hipsters for breakfast. That's all I have to say about that.

Joe
 
badfish51581 said:
It sounds like you're talking about hipsters. I live in Williamsburg Brooklyn...aka Hipsterville. I hate them too. In fact, I eat hipsters for breakfast. That's all I have to say about that.

Joe
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They are definitely included, but I also am including the douchebag holier than thou yups from Fort Greene, Park Slope, etc. These are the old school hipsters and the only difference between them and the new ones are that they decided to have kids. Another rant: If you serve food as a restaurant you are a WAITER. If you train people at a gym you are a PERSONAL TRAINER. If you work at friggen starbucks you are the Coffee person. If these are the ways that you make your money, that is your profession. YOU ARE NOT AN ACTOR or ARTIST just because you drew a picture or acted in your 4th grade play or have a degree in the arts.
 
Reps sir, great post.
 
What i can never understand about these people is how their parents do not force them to get a job and pay there own way especially since the reason they are wealthy is because they had to work their ass off to get to that point.. No matter how much my parents earned i would have been working just like i was at 15 and paying with my own money. To be honest i don't see why i deserve my parents money now i'm in my 20's. My one aim in life is to earn enough money to actually give it back to my parents somehow to show how much i appreciated everything they have done for me.
 
Australian made said:
What i can never understand about these people is how their parents do not force them to get a job and pay there own way especially since the reason they are wealthy is because they had to work their ass off to get to that point.. No matter how much my parents earned i would have been working just like i was at 15 and paying with my own money. To be honest i don't see why i deserve my parents money now i'm in my 20's. My one aim in life is to earn enough money to actually give it back to my parents somehow to show how much i appreciated everything they have done for me.
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Ill tell you why...COLLEGE DEGREES, and little johnny wants to be in hollywood and his parents will do whatever they can do get him there PFFFTT! It is also the fault of the ridiculous need for higher education that leads to a lack of motivation. 30 years a go a GED or HS diploma was good enough to earn a decent wage and have a family. Now its a must to get a Bachelor's degree just to earn a barely livable 30-40k salary range. Where is the light at the end of the tunnel? This is also why so many of these kids go back and get Master's degrees when they realize that their degree in Woman's studies isn't going to get them sh*t! They would rather just continue being a student. If one does a little research, they will find that the jobs just ARE NOT out there for those without science or business degrees. I am one of the fools that got a BA in Criminal Justice and Communications, two of the most worthless degrees around. I have a friend who with a BS in Sports Management was working MINIMUM WAGE office jobs trying to move up. I have another friend who was working for CBS for barely 30K working ridiculous hours and then getting laid off with a degree in journalism.

There are so many factors to the laziness and ineptness of today's society it is unreal. And people want to vote for Obama!
 
SureShot said:
Ill tell you why...COLLEGE DEGREES, and little johnny wants to be in hollywood and his parents will do whatever they can do get him there PFFFTT! It is also the fault of the ridiculous need for higher education that leads to a lack of motivation. 30 years a go a GED or HS diploma was good enough to earn a decent wage and have a family. Now its a must to get a Bachelor's degree just to earn a barely livable 30-40k salary range. Where is the light at the end of the tunnel? This is also why so many of these kids go back and get Master's degrees when they realize that their degree in Woman's studies isn't going to get them sh*t! They would rather just continue being a student. If one does a little research, they will find that the jobs just ARE NOT out there for those without science or business degrees. I am one of the fools that got a BA in Criminal Justice and Communications, two of the most worthless degrees around. I have a friend who with a BS in Sports Management was working MINIMUM WAGE office jobs trying to move up. I have another friend who was working for CBS for barely 30K working ridiculous hours and then getting laid off with a degree in journalism.

There are so many factors to the laziness and ineptness of today's society it is unreal. And people want to vote for Obama!
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From what i here about the states you are absolutely right. Everyone seems to go to college and then go on to do some kind of business college or something. Personally i dont get it, you end up getting these 25-26 year old guys with no work experience and zero work ethic. Personally im happy with my highschool diploma and £40K/year job. No piece of paper is better then what i have learned on the job.
 
Australian made said:
From what i here about the states you are absolutely right. Everyone seems to go to college and then go on to do some kind of business college or something. Personally i dont get it, you end up getting these 25-26 year old guys with no work experience and zero work ethic. Personally im happy with my highschool diploma and £40K/year job. No piece of paper is better then what i have learned on the job.
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Thats why America is full of a bunch of softies, but it is also the fault of everyone putting such an emphasis on higher education even though it does nothing to guarantee you a job.
 
I live in Chicago and I see what you're talking about. However, I think I can help clarify what frustrates you and me by what I see up here.

I would be called a liberal, and my friends would be called liberal too, but there is a big difference between the liberals in Chicago, and the liberals in the suburbs. The Chicago people work hard for their money, always 50 to 60 hours a week, and they still are involved with extracurricular activities which is typically performing. The suburb guys may not have a job, but they have an xbox 360 and a car, and it's not uncommon for them to shop as a hobby. They might both be considered liberals, but they are two totally different beasts and I think it's because of this factor: the Chicago people learned the feeling of accomplishment at school, but the suburb guys learned self-esteem building.

The self-esteem building, where it's not how well you do because everyone is great, is the problem. They feel like they don't have to do anything or learn anything, but they're always right and absolutely wonderful people. Work ethics is right out the window too because they always succeeded in their classes without really trying, so why try now? There's no sense of accomplishment because they never had to try and overcome adversity, and they've never felt what it's like to really accomplish something. It's a real problem in America because we're creating more people with a lower education, but a greater arrogance.

I just wanted to get that off my chest because there are liberals that work hard, and we can't stand these trust-fund queens either.

Oh, and I don't want it to seem like all suburb people are like that or that all suburb liberals are like that. It's just my personal experience that there's a general migratory pattern that disperses between the suburbs and Chicago based on the self-esteem vs. accomplishment issue.
 
I grew up near a liberal elitist hotbed and I've seen similar things as you have. I'm a late bloomer by comparison because I started working at the age of 16. The reason I started working was because I hooked up with my first real girlfriend and my dad told me he wouldn't give me anything I didn't need but would give me the opportunity to work my a$$ off to get what I wanted. My dad was well off and I could have lived off the fat off the land for a while if I wanted to. I must admit that my dad paid my way through college but I paid for my post-grad education.

Some guys I went to high school with are still in college and they're not trying to be doctors or lawyers ! I know there might be some lazy conservatives and some hard working liberals but I don't usually see conservatives protesting for the rights of owls because they're too busy working and getting ahead.

I can't stand how they act like intellectuals because they know how to order fancy coffees at Starbucks.
 
I take the negative energy from that group of people, and basically use it to fuel my own life.

I agree with hurley though. It's only a stage, finding themselves, etc. It's just like when kids in HS dress in Fubu and G-Unit clothing, or gothic kids or whatever.

Eventually you have to assimilate or get left behind
 
Iron Warrior said:
I grew up near a liberal elitist hotbed and I've seen similar things as you have. I'm a late bloomer by comparison because I started working at the age of 16. The reason I started working was because I hooked up with my first real girlfriend and my dad told me he wouldn't give me anything I didn't need but would give me the opportunity to work my a$$ off to get what I wanted. My dad was well off and I could have lived off the fat off the land for a while if I wanted to. I must admit that my dad paid my way through college but I paid for my post-grad education.

Some guys I went to high school with are still in college and they're not trying to be doctors or lawyers ! I know there might be some lazy conservatives and some hard working liberals but I don't usually see conservatives protesting for the rights of owls because they're too busy working and getting ahead.

I can't stand how they act like intellectuals because they know how to order fancy coffees at Starbucks.
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The best is that these people who claim to be elite and are all for supporting whats "not cool" are the same ones working for the man at starbucks and drinking their coffee. Hypocrisy I say!
 
RenegadeRows said:
I take the negative energy from that group of people, and basically use it to fuel my own life.

I agree with hurley though. It's only a stage, finding themselves, etc. It's just like when kids in HS dress in Fubu and G-Unit clothing, or gothic kids or whatever.

Eventually you have to assimilate or get left behind
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I am all for being "different," hell that is what makes the world go round, however, being an economic drain on society and your family because you are too busy handing out pamphlets about trans-fats while smoking lucky strikes and not working. A lot of these young libs love talking about whats going on in other countries as well. Have they REALLY seen poverty here in America? We have to take care of the problems here first, not be worrying about poverty in other countries. The day one of these people hand me a pamphlet on the street that is about donating money to poor Americans I will be all over it.
 
I would agree with some of the people that are saying that it is a phase but what scares me is what is going to happen to bring these people out of that mind set. It's not like they will get married and and have kids and all of a sudden decide that they are going to change their views.

Their ideals are pretty set in stone, just as mine and others with the same awareness.

This division among opinions is going to be the downfall of America. It's kind of sad to say but either the people that have the right ideas and views of a productive America will prevail or we lose and turn into a socialist country.

Basically their are three options: they win, we win, or America falls to crap all together which in that case I opt for another country. As a kid I had a great sense of pride in America and it's people. As I grow older I realize that the killing of America is almost inevitable. I don't want to seem depressing but there really needs to be some kind of radical change in order to change the younger generation.
 
SureShot said:
while wearing their "Free Mumia" t-shirts.

Basically, I feel the value of hard work is gone, these liberals feel that everything should be handed to them. They are driving up my damn rent by paying twice the market rate to live in the ghetto and are the driving force behind the "pussification" of America. Instead of getting JOBS after they graduate college, they hang out, smoke cigarettes, skateboard, and then go get a master's degree in finger painting or whatever.

And that is all...opinions anyone?
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When you don't have to grow up, you don't. I sure wouldn't work if I didn't have to, but I know I'm a better person for it. Try not to let it bother you too much. Ill behaviour is inherently self-destructive. The “it’s all about me” behavior handed the republicans victories in 2000 (I think it was Nader’s run), 2004 (gay “marriage”), and maybe even this year (maybe Nader again).

But what got my attention was your "Free Mumia" t-shirts. I used to work with his wife and socialized on occasion, back in the late '70's very early '80's when this originally happened.

db
 
badfish51581 said:
It sounds like you're talking about hipsters. I live in Williamsburg Brooklyn...aka Hipsterville. I hate them too. In fact, I eat hipsters for breakfast. That's all I have to say about that.

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Hah that's my stomping grounds too. Just moved to nyc / williamsburg almost a yr ago. I was going to post the same as this.

Nothing wrong with being Liberal. I think what he's talking about are hipsters in general lol. They are a different breed, I'd be surprised if most of them don't boycott elections.

I'm originally from Canada, where we don't quite have such hardcore right-wing parties as the republikans, so you'll have to excuse my defense of the Liberals lol. Our Liberal party is actually just a little right of center...but I'm almost positive that these people he is speaking about don't represent the majority of the Democratic Party's following down here. These people he is speaking of are a minority.

Young Liberals are Killing America is the type of comment I would expect from a Republikan down here though :) Not a very thought out statement (and just a tad extreme lol)
 
SureShot said:
Ill tell you why...COLLEGE DEGREES, and little johnny wants to be in hollywood and his parents will do whatever they can do get him there PFFFTT! It is also the fault of the ridiculous need for higher education that leads to a lack of motivation. 30 years a go a GED or HS diploma was good enough to earn a decent wage and have a family. Now its a must to get a Bachelor's degree just to earn a barely livable 30-40k salary range. Where is the light at the end of the tunnel? This is also why so many of these kids go back and get Master's degrees when they realize that their degree in Woman's studies isn't going to get them sh*t! They would rather just continue being a student. If one does a little research, they will find that the jobs just ARE NOT out there for those without science or business degrees. I am one of the fools that got a BA in Criminal Justice and Communications, two of the most worthless degrees around. I have a friend who with a BS in Sports Management was working MINIMUM WAGE office jobs trying to move up. I have another friend who was working for CBS for barely 30K working ridiculous hours and then getting laid off with a degree in journalism.

There are so many factors to the laziness and ineptness of today's society it is unreal. And people want to vote for Obama!
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I don't have a degree myself
 
Gutterpump said:
Hah that's my stomping grounds too. Just moved to nyc / williamsburg almost a yr ago. I was going to post the same as this.

Nothing wrong with being Liberal. I think what he's talking about are hipsters in general lol. They are a different breed, I'd be surprised if most of them don't boycott elections.

I'm originally from Canada, where we don't quite have such hardcore right-wing parties as the republikans, so you'll have to excuse my defense of the Liberals lol. Our Liberal party is actually just a little right of center...but I'm almost positive that these people he is speaking about don't represent the majority of the Democratic Party's following down here. These people he is speaking of are a minority.

Young Liberals are Killing America is the type of comment I would expect from a Republikan down here though :) Not a very thought out statement (and just a tad extreme lol)
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Actually it does seem thought out. It's an observation that he came to after witnessing actions of mislead people. How is it extreme?

What does seem extreme is the ideas of radical liberals.
 
Gutterpump said:
Hah that's my stomping grounds too. Just moved to nyc / williamsburg almost a yr ago. I was going to post the same as this.

Nothing wrong with being Liberal. I think what he's talking about are hipsters in general lol. They are a different breed, I'd be surprised if most of them don't boycott elections.

I'm originally from Canada, where we don't quite have such hardcore right-wing parties as the republikans, so you'll have to excuse my defense of the Liberals lol. Our Liberal party is actually just a little right of center...but I'm almost positive that these people he is speaking about don't represent the majority of the Democratic Party's following down here. These people he is speaking of are a minority.

I will have to take offense to the not well thought out statement, as I did explain in numerous posts. I am not talking about hipsters in general either, as I have also pointed out. Here is another point I would like to make, and you moving to Williamsburg, BK is the setting. First off, Williamsburg was a burnt out ghetto less than a decade ago, and 75% of the people claiming to live in Williamsburg are actually living in Bushwick or Bed-Stuy. Anyways, these libs and artsy folk are the ones that are basically driving out the lower middle class minorities that made up the williamsburg/bushwick section of Brooklyn. These are the same people riding the G, L and J trains with their I-Macs and I-pods out oblivious to the area they are living in UNTIL they get robbed or jumped. Then all of a sudden the people who have inhabited the areas that the young libs are living in are a problem, they are no longer sympathizing with the people who have lived there for years and years. These are the same young libs walking down bushwick avenue at 4am asking for a light from a ghetto dweller because they are "just like us" UNTIL that person takes them for their money. Then they want to see cops around. Hypocrisy!
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skunkman said:
Actually it does seem thought out. It's an observation that he came to after witnessing actions of mislead people. How is it extreme?

What does seem extreme is the ideas of radical liberals.
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"Young Liberals" is such a generalized term. 'Extremist Liberals' does not equate to all "Young Liberals". He's 'politically profiling' lol.

Tbh, I'm just giving him a hard time because he's a Republican, as are most ppl in this thread it seems. The comment title does basically generalize quite a bit though, although I agree with most of the comments about the people he's talking about. Ruining America though? That part's a bit extreme. Useless twats? Yeah I'd agree with that, but they are a small minority.
 
Gentrification is what it is. It's no new phenomenon. I don't quite agree with the shadiness of some of the landowners though. The building I live at now, our super is one of the original tenants, been there before the area blew up the past few yrs, and he's told us a lot of shady things that these landowners have been doing with tenants who don't know their rights. I gotta say I like the area a lot though, less pretentious than most areas of Brooklyn, and has more of a raw vibe.

I'm a designer (motion graphics, video, graphic design, etc), so I naturally want to be around other designers too, not to mention most of the parties/bars/clubs etc that I go to are in Williamsburg. So I guess the area is pretentious in that sense, but not even close to other areas like Brooklyn Heights, Cobble Hill, etc....it's a decent area without feeling stuffy. My gf lives in Brooklyn Heights and to be honest it's really nice, just a bit too stuffy and boring. I'm there maybe half of the week, it's a nice recluse within the craziness of the city.

I agree with the naivity of the people moving into wburg though lol. You're talking to me as though I don't know anything about where I live. A good friend of mine I work with used to live there 10 yrs ago, and told me all about the craziness of Williamsburg...not to mention I witness craziness there still once in a while. I've gotta say though regardless, one of my favorite areas of NYC, wouldn't want to live elsewhere unless I had a family. I've been living in urban areas the past 12 years, it's areas that aren't fully over-run by twats that are the best to live in....but if you have no street knowledge, best not to move to places like that.

I've lived in all areas of Toronto, couple areas of Queens and Long Island City...and to be totally honest, I like the freedom I have living in an area that isn't completely run over by investment bankers or that's been completely gentrified. I wouldn't get away so much with having turntables and a 500watt sub in most areas of nyc like UES, West Village, etc.
 
Of course young libs are indirectly killing America, they are lending credibility to the wackos who push us toward greater control and taxation in the name of "the common good". You don't gotta convince me, I live in Appleton, WI; home of the John Birch society :ntome:
 
I agree that it's lame to live off one's parents for any extended period of time. I've worked since I was 10, and have paid for everything in my life. Cars, education, ect. It wasn't that my parents couldn't help me, I didn't want them to help me. I truely feel sorry for the kids who have life handed to them on a silver platter, because generally they don't know sh*t about real life. Hence the liberal attitude. They are so used to life handed to them that unfortunately they think everyone should have it that way. They know no other way of life. The problen is, not everybody has parents with an unlimited bankroll, namely the able bodied welfare bums that refuse to work. Why should they? They get paycheck everymonth for being nothing but a slob, with you, me, and other tax paying individuals footing the bill. Aside from that my real problem is with the college age left wingers and activists. They are so brainwashed and befogged, and haven't the slightest clue what they're doing. A few weeks ago they held an anti-war protest outside of the campus recruiting office. Well, at least they attempted to, there wasn't much of a turnout because these morons were afraid to stand out in the cold. These red diaper doper babies, led by their communist professors hate this country, they hate everything we stand for, and will be the ultimate demise of our soverieinty if we let them. I for one will not. If I could have gotten away with cracking a few skulls that day I would have. These degenerate scum bags have no respect for the brave men and women who are dying in an effort to protect their sorry a$$es. These doped up pieces of human debris should be shipped out of this country, and if I had any say in it, I swear I would see to it. You might be asking "what can I do to save the country that I love?". Here's our answer: Protect our boarders, preserve our language, and honor your American culture and join the Nationalist party this upcoming fall. If you are tired of Republicans and Democrats alike selling your country down the river, then join us, and seek what your heart has been yearning. *I'll provide more details as they become available.
 
Damn...I'm still laughing at the 'young libs are jobless ppl who don't know what hard work's all about' bit. That and the skateboarding comment. Classic! :clap2: Those damn skateboarders!!! arrrrgh lol


I gotta say, I'm young, been liberal my whole life, grown up in a very much middle-class family, and work hard as a mutherfvcker, my whole life, in fact I've worked hard to get anything that I have ever gotten in life. Oh and I also used to skateboard for most of that time, and still snowboard, for 15 yrs now (but that sport's accepted by the extreme right / suit-n-tie guys now as well I guess). Moved out and been paying my way since I was 18. Paying back the student loans that put me through school, and very much a workaholic lol. This thread is just too funny to me.

Man you've got more problems with your country than the few people who may have the priveledge to live off their parents money. Look at your health-care program, look at your economy...etc, etc.
 
Gutterpump said:
Damn...I'm still laughing at the 'young libs are jobless ppl who don't know what hard work's all about' bit. That and the skateboarding comment. Classic! :clap2: Those damn skateboarders!!! arrrrgh lol
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The young libs that i meet are mostly jobless, of course there are exceptions, you for one have a job, and the skateboarding comment was meant for humor. Gentrification is what libs like to call moving in to downtrodden areas, paying ridiculous rent to live in loft apartments across from the housing projects and being OK with it.
 
Gutterpump said:
Look at your health-care program, look at your economy...etc, etc.
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Please go into details. I would love hear these talking points explained to me.

You are Canadian correct?
 
Gutterpump said:
Damn...I'm still laughing at the 'young libs are jobless ppl who don't know what hard work's all about' bit. That and the skateboarding comment. Classic! :clap2: Those damn skateboarders!!! arrrrgh lol


I gotta say, I'm young, been liberal my whole life, grown up in a very much middle-class family, and work hard as a mutherfvcker, my whole life, in fact I've worked hard to get anything that I have ever gotten in life. Oh and I also used to skateboard for most of that time, and still snowboard, for 15 yrs now (but that sport's accepted by the extreme right / suit-n-tie guys now as well I guess). Moved out and been paying my way since I was 18. Paying back the student loans that put me through school, and very much a workaholic lol. This thread is just too funny to me.

Man you've got more problems with your country than the few people who may have the priveledge to live off their parents money. Look at your health-care program, look at your economy...etc, etc.
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If you worked hard your whole life, why are you willing to let your government steal your money, and redistribute it to people who don't deserve it? Health care has some problems, but the answer is not forcing everybody to get government run health care. The quality of care will be comparable to cuba because the government will not reimburse doctors anything close to what they get from private companies, so the good doctors will either leave the counrty, quit their practice, or be forced to use cheaper procedures to compensate for the lack of compensation. As far as the ecomony, it could be the fact that we have a bigger liberal than Clinton running the White House. If one of the Democrat candidates gets in, it will get much worse. Obama doesn't even believe in free trade, can you say Bolshevik? Because the man is a commy.
 
Barack Obama is the candidate for change...because change is all you'll have left in your pocket after he's done with you.
 
I will say the poverty fashion trend is retarded. I come from a very troubled back ground and ran the streets off and on from about 15 to 20 years old, sleeping in abandoned buildings and shoplifting to eat. So, I do wonder why name brand clothes are made to look 2nd hand and cost a premium. Odd how it's harder for a man to get hired for a job if he keeps his hair long even if it's very well groomed, or admits in the interview that his primary means of travel is public transportation, yet it's in fashion to spend your paycheck on sport accessories for cars that barely run and attempts to look like a total bum.
 
Jerry said:
Please go into details. I would love hear these talking points explained to me.

You are Canadian correct?
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To be honest, I don't know much about American politics, but I do know that in this country, if you have a good job, you have pretty decent health care. If you're unfortunate enough to not be able to afford the very high cost of schooling here and get a great job, then you are fvcked where it comes to getting proper health care without paying a huge chunck of your hard earned money for it. To top it off, income tax here and a lot of taxes in general are even higher than I've seen in Canada. So the people who say that Canadians spend all their hard earned money on social programs by being over-taxed, etc, well they just don't quite know what they are talking about. Anyhow, this is not meant to be a Canada vs US debate...nor is it meant to be a Dem vs Rep debate either. I think the OP just needs to open his eyes a litte wider and remove a bit of the tunnel vision.

Tbh, I feel really bad for the less fortunate people of this country. I would not have moved here if I was not making a pretty decent amount of cash and had great benefits at my job. I know your country has a much larger counter culture, a larger divide between the very wealthy, and the poor. I know that your economy isn't doing very great, and that's a much more important thing to worry about, than a bunch of kids wasting their parents money! A few kids aren't destroying America...it's the politicians who are and the people who let them do what they want and get away with it.

The topic of this thread just sounds rediculous, I've met/spoken to many so called republican kids who do the same, wasting mommy n daddy's money, driving mommy n daddy's BMW and living at their mommy n daddy's estate till their mid-20s as well. Either that or have their folks buy them a house/condo and give them everything they want, including their high-titled jobs, withouth them working very hard for it...and even without being all that qualified for it. Wow...wait a minute....I thought this sort of waste of space occurance only happened with libs. LMAO. Someone's a lil self-righteous in this thread.

There are both good and bad things to all sides, including the people who follow. I've yet to meet a perfect person, nevermind a perfect leader or ideology that can be followed perfectly. If there's one thing I know, is that all politicians are crooks.
 
Dude I understand what you are saying about feeling sorry for people but the government should not be paying for it. If someone has a passion to help the needy then they should take part of their check and give it to an organization that will help them. IMO some one who is willing to pay for socialized health care is lazy and really not as caring as one may think. It is too easy to let Big Brother take a (large) chunk of your earnings and solve these problems. It takes 10 fold the effort to see a dollar amount on your check and decide that you are going to give a specific individual or group a portion of that money.

Seriously it is not that hard to get insurance. I am a sales manager for Express Personnel and we give insurance for like $23 a week, with no waiting period. It's not the best but considering the amount of bottom feeders in America it is probably way better than what the government will give you.

As far as your school statement goes that is completely a crock of sh1t. I didn't go through any post high school schooling and I have a very well paying job (I know others on here are probably in the same boat). You don't need a degree to be successful, you need determination and confidence. I have worked hard for were I am today. Allowing the government to give MY money to someone who doesn't know what a hard day of work is is a slap in the face.

Free health care is like the NFL telling people that don't have the genetics to be pro that it is ok to juice.
 
Jerry said:
Please go into details. I would love hear these talking points explained to me.

You are Canadian correct?
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I think the fact that your dollar is getting killed from every single major currency around the world is proof enough that economy is not in a good way. Of course it will turn and the US will again boom but at the moment the word "recession" is on the tip of every economists tongue. Not to mention the house prices falling daily...

Personally i think its a good thing. ITs gives the average earning person a chance to get into the property/stock market without paying over inflated prices....its just a pain in the ass if you want to go on a European holiday.
 
I would also like to touch on "gentrification" which is a fancy term used by elitists who think that they are being diverse by living in converted factory lofts or brand new condos which are built across the street from housing projects. How "gentrified" are you? Are you hanging out and barbecuing with the people in the bushwick houses? You guys going to the movies together? No, you live on one side of the street and are paying 3gs a month, and they live on the other, laughing because they are paying 100 bucks a month and you live in the same hood. Another gentrification hot bed in brooklyn is the Bedford Nostrand stop on the G. Its so diverse and "gentrified" that all the white people that just moved there from other places exit on one side, and the rest on the Nostrand side.
 
Australian made said:
I think the fact that your dollar is getting killed from every single major currency around the world is proof enough that economy is not in a good way. Of course it will turn and the US will again boom but at the moment the word "recession" is on the tip of every economists tongue. Not to mention the house prices falling daily...

Personally i think its a good thing. ITs gives the average earning person a chance to get into the property/stock market without paying over inflated prices....its just a pain in the ass if you want to go on a European holiday.
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Its a natural fluctuation after the amount of sovereign wealth funds that invest here (because of such an enormous economic boom). The US government is actually depreciating its currency for a reason and the term recession is used to much by politicians who don't even understand that you need 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP to be in a recession.

Ask the Australian government and EU how they like the position of the dollar right now. They HATE it.


Its another example of how the war was lost (which wasn't true) and now we're in a recession (which isn't a true). Election year rhetoric that unfortunently people in other countries tend to believe.
 
Jerry said:
Ask the Australian government and EU how they like the position of the dollar right now. They HATE it.
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Very much doubt that. It has resulted in a huge influx of investment into Australia from other nations. Not to mention Australian companies now finding it cheaper to invest within the USA. The main problem for Australia is our spending habits are driving inflation sky high not to mention our interest rates. Our property market will be following in US footsteps in the not too distant future.

And our pollies are finding nutra even cheaper now with the aus/usd.
 
Gutterpump said:
To be honest, I don't know much about American politics, but I do know that in this country, if you have a good job, you have pretty decent health care. If you're unfortunate enough to not be able to afford the very high cost of schooling here and get a great job, then you are fvcked where it comes to getting proper health care without paying a huge chunck of your hard earned money for it.
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Not really. I pay for 2 adults out of my own pocket and its not that expensive. All you have to do is find it but most people are too lazy or simply don't WANT to pay for health care (until its too late).



To top it off, income tax here and a lot of taxes in general are even higher than I've seen in Canada. So the people who say that Canadians spend all their hard earned money on social programs by being over-taxed, etc, well they just don't quite know what they are talking about. Anyhow, this is not meant to be a Canada vs US debate...nor is it meant to be a Dem vs Rep debate either. I think the OP just needs to open his eyes a litte wider and remove a bit of the tunnel vision.
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You have proof of that because from what I see tax rates in Canada are higher than the US.


I also think your vision of "liberal" is much differnet than how its used here.

Tbh, I feel really bad for the less fortunate people of this country. I would not have moved here if I was not making a pretty decent amount of cash and had great benefits at my job.
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Yet its our country with economic problems?


I know your country has a much larger counter culture, a larger divide between the very wealthy, and the poor. I know that your economy isn't doing very great, and that's a much more important thing to worry about, than a bunch of kids wasting their parents money!
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Election rhetoric. The economy is in a slowdown after an amzing economic boom. It still has postivie GDP every quarter.

A few kids aren't destroying America...it's the politicians who are and the people who let them do what they want and get away with it.
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Its not a "few kids", its a mindset that many young people tend to carry into their 20's and 30's. I think that was the point.

The topic of this thread just sounds rediculous, I've met/spoken to many so called republican kids who do the same, wasting mommy n daddy's money, driving mommy n daddy's BMW and living at their mommy n daddy's estate till their mid-20s as well. Either that or have their folks buy them a house/condo and give them everything they want, including their high-titled jobs, withouth them working very hard for it...and even without being all that qualified for it. Wow...wait a minute....I thought this sort of waste of space occurance only happened with libs. LMAO. Someone's a lil self-righteous in this thread.
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The country club brat isn't a fashion trend in America.

There are both good and bad things to all sides, including the people who follow. I've yet to meet a perfect person, nevermind a perfect leader or ideology that can be followed perfectly. If there's one thing I know, is that all politicians are crooks.
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Considering that I know some politicians and know the work they do on a local level, not ALL are crooks. Who is being a bit too general now?
 
Australian made said:
Very much doubt that. It has resulted in a huge influx of investment into Australia from other nations. Not to mention Australian companies now finding it cheaper to invest within the USA. The main problem for Australia is our spending habits are driving inflation sky high not to mention our interest rates. Our property market will be following in US footsteps in the not too distant future.

And our pollies are finding nutra even cheaper now with the aus/usd.
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You doubt that? I watch this stuff every single day. Have you listened to your fed's comments on our dollar because if you did you wouldn't doubt it. I've invested in Aussie dollars and Euros because of this.

When your government invested in US stocks and US funds and the value goes down do you think they are happy?
When your sovereign wealth funds drop in value by 20% over 2 years do you think they like that?


When foreign governments buy our commodities because of the US dollar weakness do you think your government is happy about the loss of exports?

Nutra is a perfect example. They want you spending domestically, not here.
 
Jerry said:
You doubt that? I watch this stuff every single day. Have you listened to your fed's comments on our dollar because if you did you wouldn't doubt it. I've invested in Aussie dollars and Euros because of this.

When your government invested in US stocks and US funds and the value goes down do you think they are happy?
When your sovereign wealth funds drop in value by 20% over 2 years do you think they like that?


When foreign governments buy our commodities because of the US dollar weakness do you think your government is happy about the loss of exports?

Nutra is a perfect example. They want you spending domestically, not here.
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Hang on you've invested in AUD and EUR because you think the value of the USD is going to keep falling? i dont quite follow.
No doubt you are right about the value of the funds dropping due to being denominated in USD. i stand corrected. But i still think there is a lot more to it then that. I work in a USD denominated hedge fund. None of the traders want to convert their local trading currency.

But this situation is a good thing. It really needed to happen.
 
Great post!

A lot has already been said so my comments may bounce around a bit.

About college. I am almost 36 and been in the work force almost 20 years. Even though I have held management/supervisor positions before, it seems without fail that when I start a new job, I start at the bottom and have to spend a few years busting hump to get a position. Others can get hired straight into a management position. The difference? They have a degree. They may have no idea about WTF they are doing, but they have a degree! I finally figured this out and I'm currently working towards my degree in business, or as I call it COMMON FRIGGIN SENSE! I kid you not, I have actually learned (as in aquired new knowledge) very, very little. But actually having the piece of paper is worth an extra 20k a year. Meanwhile, I'm laid off and can't find work unless I want to make less than $8/hr :frustrate My actual experience means nothing. And it's getting to the point associate degrees mean nothing either, more and more companies are requiring BA's.

About young liberals. I heard somewhere (I can't remember where) that if you're not liberal when you're young you have no heart, if you're not conservative when you mature you have no brain. I had an environmental phase for about a year or so in my teens...then my brain took over.

About liberal programs. Well, any economist worth a damn will tell you minimum wage, rent control, welfare, ect are all BAD for the economy. The thing is people in general tend to want what benefits themselves with as little effort as possible (ie people tend to be selfish and lazy), so "entitlements" tend to be appealing, especially to the lower classes. To me it's just vote buying.
 
Australian made said:
Hang on you've invested in AUD and EUR because you think the value of the USD is going to keep falling? i dont quite follow.
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Yes. If I bought a futures contact in the Aussie dollar when it was 1.25 then sell it at 1.35, I make money. When your fed raises interest rates it means the value of your currency compared to US dollar will increase. When the US fed drops the fed funds rate and the value of our dollar goes down, I know my investments in other currencies and gold, oil, etc...will go up. Its the flight of safety most investors follow.


No doubt you are right about the value of the funds dropping due to being denominated in USD. i stand corrected. But i still think there is a lot more to it then that.
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Of course there is more to it than that....but the bottom line is your fed doesnt want to have to keep raising interest rates and curb inflation due to another countries weakness. They have already stated that. They want strong currencies worldwide and the last thing they want is your money coming here (along with business's).

The fed is purposely doing this but they will NEVER tell you that. Why do you think gold prices are at record high? Because every smart investor knows whats going to happen (and what Bernanke has to do). Its the same thing Greenspan did in the 70's to curb the oil crisis but they will never tell you that. They can't publicly say "we need to deflate the dollar and put you in the brink of recession to solve the problem".
 
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