nightfly71
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I doubt it'd make a lot of difference, sonsidering you're only taking these doses maybe an hr. or so apart. The difference between one dosing method and another is probably minimal at most.
How to "pulse" orals
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Botch
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I have a dosage question, calling DR D
I am pulsing atm 40mg 3 x wk, When i take 30 before workout and 10 after i find i get a much bigger "on" feeling during my workout and i seem to push myself much harder. Will dosing like this instead of 20 then 20 affect my gains?
Any help much appreciated.
No it will not effect your gains. When Dr. D originally designed pusling it was meant to take the entire dose of your oral at a single time, preferably preworkout, because the least number of doses = the least shutdown. From there he decided you can take half pre and half post if you really want to, but it doesn't really matter because the halflife of the oral will still be active after your workout. The number is quite arbitrary and you are free to play with it how you want to. If it works best for you with 30 pre, 10 post then by all means bro.
zpnq
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nightfly71
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A little update on my progress. I'm 6 weeks in and have another two to go on my pulse, but decided to take advantage of a fe\ree health screening at work.
I was pleasantly surprised that my bp was 126/84. My bp can tend to run a bit high at times, even when not on cycle. Bear in mind that I've been sick w/ a bad cough for several days, so i hadn't dosed in close to a week, but that's still a nice bp result, in my book, after pulsing both ergomax lmg and an epi clone for 6 weeks straight.
My glucose after fasting, aside from a little juice and some cough syrup, came back at 89. I thought that was really good, since anything below 110 is considered good if someone has actually fasted (not had the juice and cough syrup containing sugar, etc.).
Bodayfat was at 26%, which is up a few points from the 22% of 6 weeks ago, but I expected that since I'm eating a semi-clean bulking diet nd have gained approx. 15 lbs. in that amount of time.
Total cholesterol was 120, which is pretty low, as I understand, but my hdl was less than 15, when they said 40 is considered normal. They don't tell you the ldl in this test, but they usually estimate your ratio based on the hdl versus the total cholesterol.
Since my hdl was so low, they said they couldn't do an estimation of the ratio, so who knows? I'm hoping my ldl isn't terrible, but I'll concentrate on improving those numbers by eating more oats, supplementing w/ healthy oils, phytosterols, garlic, etc.
If anyone has any thoughts or comments, feel free to speak up.
I was pleasantly surprised that my bp was 126/84. My bp can tend to run a bit high at times, even when not on cycle. Bear in mind that I've been sick w/ a bad cough for several days, so i hadn't dosed in close to a week, but that's still a nice bp result, in my book, after pulsing both ergomax lmg and an epi clone for 6 weeks straight.
My glucose after fasting, aside from a little juice and some cough syrup, came back at 89. I thought that was really good, since anything below 110 is considered good if someone has actually fasted (not had the juice and cough syrup containing sugar, etc.).
Bodayfat was at 26%, which is up a few points from the 22% of 6 weeks ago, but I expected that since I'm eating a semi-clean bulking diet nd have gained approx. 15 lbs. in that amount of time.
Total cholesterol was 120, which is pretty low, as I understand, but my hdl was less than 15, when they said 40 is considered normal. They don't tell you the ldl in this test, but they usually estimate your ratio based on the hdl versus the total cholesterol.
Since my hdl was so low, they said they couldn't do an estimation of the ratio, so who knows? I'm hoping my ldl isn't terrible, but I'll concentrate on improving those numbers by eating more oats, supplementing w/ healthy oils, phytosterols, garlic, etc.
If anyone has any thoughts or comments, feel free to speak up.
nycste
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thanks for sharing hope you give atotal summary at end
nightfly71
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I had asked before about the 4AD and the consensus was that it's too suppressive to pulse. Sorry to say because it seems like that'd make for a nice combo. I may actually do it as a standard cycle in the future, out of curiousity.
Chance1253
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Recently got off a 12 week epistane pulse. I pulsed MWT, as these are the days that were best for me to get some "help" from a substance.
I had good results. I appreciated the slow, but longer gains as I compete in powerlifting (bench specialist) and the longer period of good workouts was much better for me than a 4-6 week blast.
Talking with a friend, the idea of a perpetual (or just real long) 1x/week pulse came to mind. Anyone try this, or think it would be worth doing? For instance, superdrol, 40-60mg, 1x per week. Would that shut you down, or have significant effects on lipid profiles? We couldn't decide if it was a decent or stupid idea. Remember, this is for strength first, so it would be taken on the 1 day that strength matters -bench day.
Thoughts?
-C
I had good results. I appreciated the slow, but longer gains as I compete in powerlifting (bench specialist) and the longer period of good workouts was much better for me than a 4-6 week blast.
Talking with a friend, the idea of a perpetual (or just real long) 1x/week pulse came to mind. Anyone try this, or think it would be worth doing? For instance, superdrol, 40-60mg, 1x per week. Would that shut you down, or have significant effects on lipid profiles? We couldn't decide if it was a decent or stupid idea. Remember, this is for strength first, so it would be taken on the 1 day that strength matters -bench day.
Thoughts?
-C
ImJ2x
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My opinion is that you wouldn't have to worry about shutdown or any other side effects, as they'd all have plenty of time to clear in the 6 days between doses. I just wonder if it would be effective. Maybe...
DR.D
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That's fine. A 3/3 or 3/4 split works too. 3-4 off days compensates very well for 2-3 consecutive on days.
DR.D
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Gtarzan81
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Quick Question for Dr. D or anyone else with good knowledge..
In planning out some yearly goals this morning I planned for four 6 week pulse cycles this year on PP/SD.
That's 3x a week for 6 weeks on, and 6 weeks off.
I'm wondering if time on =time off with a pulse, or if you can do it differently?
BTW, I'm up to page 32 on this thread. Thats how I got the ideas in the first place.
In planning out some yearly goals this morning I planned for four 6 week pulse cycles this year on PP/SD.
That's 3x a week for 6 weeks on, and 6 weeks off.
I'm wondering if time on =time off with a pulse, or if you can do it differently?
BTW, I'm up to page 32 on this thread. Thats how I got the ideas in the first place.
machinehead
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Very long half-life?
xtyler
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does that make a difference?
CROWLER
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I have a dosage question, calling DR D
I am pulsing atm 40mg 3 x wk, When i take 30 before workout and 10 after i find i get a much bigger "on" feeling during my workout and i seem to push myself much harder. Will dosing like this instead of 20 then 20 affect my gains?
Any help much appreciated.
I take the full 40mg an hour before my workout and take POST Cycle Support on the other days and it is going VERY GOOD so far!
I plan on doing 4 weeks PCT with just POST Cycle Support and Cycle Support and will report my results.
CROWLER
zpnq
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Yikes, my cycle is allready over
.It feels great at the gym after slamming the entire lot down before training.
DR.D
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Hey Dr D, are you back to answering questions in general now?
Yes. Like you said though, if in doubt keep it quite general.
I don't want anybody to get the wrong idea about my current affiliations.
DR.D
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Good data, thanks Crowler! Good to see you around too.
DR.D
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Those are very conservative doses.
This is the same approach for the initial pulsing post. The info is designed as a best fit and fool-proof starting point for the general applicant, but you must experiment to determine your own limits.
Personally, I'd prefer from 200-250mg of DHEA.
EasyEJL
Never enough
Yes. Like you said though, if in doubt keep it quite general.
Ok, its a question about multi compound use, one run as cycle, one run as pulse. If the full cycle one is a low suppression one, and the pulsed one high suppression, does the pulsing there help avoid suppression? This is more just theoretical, I'm not enough of a shade tree endocrinologist to have a good guess. On the one hand, if the full time compound is only slightly suppressing but not causing full shutdown, then its possible the up + down swing from pulsing could cause a lighter overall shutdown by the end. But its also possible that the pulsing could take it past the body's limit, and cause full shutdown. Using an example, lets say I were doing a full cycle of epistane, and had half a bottle of original ax superdrol (both of which I have). 30mg/day of epistane is relatively mild suppression, but would 20mg EOD of superdrol thru a full 30 day cycle likely push you over the edge? Or would it likely leave you feeling even better?
DR.D
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Interesting you ask, lol, I just did a little 4wk experiment with 2 products I had never used before. Sounds somewhat like what you may be planning. One was a warfare product used in the jungle, and the other was a CEL product that starts with an H.
The JW was my daily and it seemed to cause an almost immediate (by the end of the first week) yet still mild level of shutdown, which I didn't care for by the way. The H was my pulsed supp using 50/50 pre/post. The daily supp did reduce the good bounce back and killed the finer points and real beauty of the pulse, but it was not as bad as it could have been so this approach did have potential. I also ran HD2 at 3 caps/day ED and I'm sure that helped. I did no pct and yet rebalanced quickly after it was over. Still running the HD2 a few more weeks to be safe and emphasize recovery though (and just because I like it too )Chance1253
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Yes. Like you said though, if in doubt keep it quite general.
Dr.D,
The above in mind, what do you think of a perpetual (or just real long) 1x per week pulse? Substances under consideration would be those that kick in fairly quickly, i.e. epistane, superdrol, or anything else that falls into that category. Any thoughts on dosages and effectiveness?
Thanks!
DR.D
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I think you could probably do that indefinitely and experience only healthy benefits with no negs at all. Don't get silly with the dose though, keep it to about the same as a normal pulsing dose (around 1.5-2x the conventional daily dose.)
xtyler
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what's the problem if i never "clear up" that ultra low dose of serm?i'm mostly concerned about preventing suppression.
EasyEJL
Never enough
a serm doesn't prevent suppression, otherwise during any hormonal cycle guys would take it. They can prevent gyno as a serm is a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator -
Nolva primarily bonds to the breast tissues, it doesn't necessarily lower estrogen.
Aromatase inhibitors are different animals.
Nolva primarily bonds to the breast tissues, it doesn't necessarily lower estrogen.
Aromatase inhibitors are different animals.
scott72
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Would there actually be any benefit to this though? I don't see how you'd gain anything by doing this once a week. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
aspire210
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maybe bring up a lagging body part?
EasyEJL
Never enough
sure. using superdrol as an example @ 30mg. every 14 weeks you'd be taking the same amount as if someone took 20mg daily for 3 weeks. Thats usually good for a 10+lb in gain. so maybe you'd only be gaining a little under a pound a week, but you'd avoid liver damage and cholesterol hit
DR.D
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Raloxifene is liver friendly and short acting, but makes you retain a lot of calcium (the only thing I don't like about the idea of long term use.)
Long acting SERMs could be applied, taken in very low daily doses or a regular dose about every 5 days. Clomid and Nolva type conventional SERMs stress the liver, so long term an AI is better IMO.
DR.D
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It all adds up, so yes it would necessarily benefit gains over time I'd think. Not to mention the touch of erythropoiesis and increased immune stimulation in general. At the very least, I doubt it would hurt anything in an otherwise healthy person.
cromwell
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First off, cheers for all of your insight. Pulsing has worked very well for me, even with adding a second compound(pheraplex). Good gains, very few problems.
I have been taking 100 mg of dhea on off days(weeks, depending, i have run 2 pulses in the last 3 months) and many seem to think that it is too high of a dosage and will ultimitely cause suppresion. I will run a mild post cycle therapy after my last pulse (dhea, natural test booster, reservatol). your thoughts on possible hpta shutdown from the dhea? Current doses are 10 mg epi and 30 mg phera. I was running epi on its own at 30(good results!), tried 20epi and 30 pp seemed a bit much for me at 6' and 180(10% bf). Thank you for your time
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CROWLER
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YIKES I made a mistake!
I actually have been using LESS Epistane than I thought I was. yea Yea I know newbie mistake lol
It is tough to read the printing on the lable I have it is wrinkled. So I have been getting GOOD results at a lower dosage than I thought. This stuff is very nice!
I probably wont bump up the dosage but the next time I do an Epi cycle I will have some where to go with a higher dosage IF I need it.
CROWLER
I actually have been using LESS Epistane than I thought I was. yea Yea I know newbie mistake lol
It is tough to read the printing on the lable I have it is wrinkled. So I have been getting GOOD results at a lower dosage than I thought. This stuff is very nice!
I probably wont bump up the dosage but the next time I do an Epi cycle I will have some where to go with a higher dosage IF I need it.
CROWLER
DR.D
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Thank you cromwell, always glad to freely exchange useful information.
I have seen were doses of DHEA over that of 50mg can elevate estrogen levels in 'older' men, that's why I stated 50 as the general cut-off for a starting point. In PCT however, a dosing scheme of...
wk1: 200-250
wk2: 100-150
wk3: 50-100
wk4: 0-50
... is very effective and there are many threads here and elsewhere that can testify to the libido and anti-cort benefits (and lack of suppression) with DHEA in PCT. The above doses are still somewhat conservative to be honest. I have advocated this for a long time contrary to the objections of those who have probably never tried it, and I've never experienced any estrogen related complications whatsoever. If anything, DHEA is one of the more potent androgens available as far as intrinsic androgenic activity, at least in my experience.
So no, I don't think 100mg is unreasonable at all.
xtyler
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if i remember correctly cyclofenil(widely and easyly available here)has a very short half-life(should be 20-29 hours)and a nice safety profile(i've also ever noticed a profund libido boost with it).i'm also speaking of a VERY low dose as 100 mg/off days only.i'm also using a very unpopular AI like mATD(i know,i know...but i like it!!!)maybe i'll switch to hyperdrol.i'm taking DRIVE,also.maybe it's a little overkill for a pulse,but better safe than sorry...
Botch
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Interesting you ask, lol, I just did a little 4wk experiment with 2 products I had never used before. Sounds somewhat like what you may be planning. One was a warfare product used in the jungle, and the other was a CEL product that starts with an H.
Dr D., do you think there is any benefit to pulsing the above mentioned CEL product?
DR.D
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Yes, Cyclo would be a great candidate too I suppose, just not medically available in the US (that I am aware of.) I did like the results you posted about it though!
xtyler
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That's why i love it...i'm waiting for your next...DESIGNER SERM!!!!:box:
nightfly71
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D, what's your opinion about doing a pulse of around 6 weeks or so, and THEN switching out to a standard, non-methyl cycle (for instance transdermal 4AD)?
In this hypothetical, you'd do 6 weeks pulsed of epi or phera, etc, then do the 4AD every day for a period of 4-msybe 6 weeks, to put a nice mass building finishing touch on your gains.
Afterward a full PCT w/ a SERM would be followed. The reasons why it makes sense to me is that you're not very suppressed, if at all, from the pulse, so the standard 4AD cycle would only leave you as suppressed as it would, had you run it alone.
Plus no liver damage, being that it's transderal, as opposed to oral. Any thoughts, positive or negative on how this could possibly work? It seems like it make for a great 10-12 week bulking period.
In this hypothetical, you'd do 6 weeks pulsed of epi or phera, etc, then do the 4AD every day for a period of 4-msybe 6 weeks, to put a nice mass building finishing touch on your gains.
Afterward a full PCT w/ a SERM would be followed. The reasons why it makes sense to me is that you're not very suppressed, if at all, from the pulse, so the standard 4AD cycle would only leave you as suppressed as it would, had you run it alone.
Plus no liver damage, being that it's transderal, as opposed to oral. Any thoughts, positive or negative on how this could possibly work? It seems like it make for a great 10-12 week bulking period.
DR.D
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Honestly, I thought it was weak. I liked the effect of the compound, but 100 was not enough on a pulse and I'm not sure I'd be too comfortable doing much more than that. 150-200 maybe, but that kinda defeats the purpose of a pulse ya know? Perhaps used in conjunction with a non-methyl it would have been more effective at 100mg, otherwise I'd guess it's probably more effective if used daily.