Middle Age Is A Great Excuse To Blast And Cruise

[cstallion]

I've been incorporating lonjack, Maca, boron and DTH lately and it has resulted in some pretty effortless woodies. Definitely helping build better steam in the bedroom.

I'm curious about boron. I took Maca back in 2012, great woodies and way more volume in the sack. But never taken boron.

 

[Hyde]

There's a lot in Proviron, which is BLR's longjack/boron supp. Been eating one of those and 5-6 Diesel Test Hardcore most days, which has more lj and boron lol. About to switch to the Proviron and use OL's LJ100 with it for the next month as my DTH ran out today. Been adding a gram of capped maca daily from Swanson as well.

 

[Hyde]

Boron is actually toxic I believe so I wouldn't be using it if it didn't come in the longjack.

 

[cstallion]

There's a lot in Proviron, which is BLR's longjack/boron supp. Been eating one of those and 5-6 Diesel Test Hardcore most days, which has more lj and boron lol. About to switch to the Proviron and use OL's LJ100 with it for the next month as my DTH ran out today. Been adding a gram of capped maca daily from Swanson as well.

Is it Proviron or Viron?

 

[Hyde]

Is it Proviron or Viron?

Viron, idk why I said the drug lol

 

[Randallk21]

Thanks so much for that! I dropped the porn and fapping a while ago. I kinda wish I still wanted to do at least that! But it's good to hear desire van build back up.

I am getting almost painful nighttime erections every time I take Proviron, but no accompanying desire. Right now, beautiful women do nothing for me. I'm hoping that the masteron enthanate will help once it's built up in my system.

I'm also dosing 0.25 mg prami twice a day. I think dopamine is a part of my problem because of past party habits.

This! After stopping adderall my desire plummeted and now some days it's the only thing that will bring it back in full swing

 

[cstallion]

Viron, idk why I said the drug lol

LOL! I was just making sure. Both sounds good right about now anyway!

 

[WolfJFlywheel]

how does one get over the fear of pinning ones self? and fear is not really the right term. more like worry over making a mistake

 

[SelfMedic]

how does one get over the fear of pinning ones self? and fear is not really the right term. more like worry over making a mistake

Heh. My first pin was a giant needle into y knee to drain fluid. Got a little drunk first.

Years later, poking my belly fat was a relative walk in the park.

I use 31 gauge 5/16" for TRT low doses. You barely notice it.

For larger blast doses, slightly bigger 29 gauge 1/2" into delts or glutes is no big deal.

 

[ChocolateClen]

22g is the way to go, take a chunk of skin with your pin. In all seriousness messing up a pin is actually pretty difficult if you have an inkling of a thought of what your doing.

 

[WolfJFlywheel]

Heh. My first pin was a giant needle into y knee to drain fluid. Got a little drunk first.

Years later, poking my belly fat was a relative walk in the park.

I use 31 gauge 5/16" for TRT low doses. You barely notice it.

For larger blast doses, slightly bigger 29 gauge 1/2" into delts or glutes is no big deal.

22g is the way to go, take a chunk of skin with your pin. In all seriousness messing up a pin is actually pretty difficult if you have an inkling of a thought of what your doing.

do you have to aspirate it or just plug and shoot?

 

[ChocolateClen]

do you have to aspirate it or just plug and shoot?

I only asperate the first time I use a new location. Other then that no I don't.

 

[Hyde]

do you have to aspirate it or just plug and shoot?

Aspirating for an IM is actually not even standard medical protocol. Saw a YouTube vid of this fellow Noah documenting his TRT office visits and pinning over a year or so and ended up calling all these hospitals and turns out aspirating isn't really worth the extra PIP, as it isn't necessary or advised.

 

[SelfMedic]

Aspirating for an IM is actually not even standard medical protocol. Saw a YouTube vid of this fellow Noah documenting his TRT office visits and pinning over a year or so and ended up calling all these hospitals and turns out aspirating isn't really worth the extra PIP, as it isn't necessary or advised.

Oh yeah, Big No No. Nice guy.

And I have always just jabbed for both IM and subQ.

 

[WolfJFlywheel]

I only asperate the first time I use a new location. Other then that no I don't.

Aspirating for an IM is actually not even standard medical protocol. Saw a YouTube vid of this fellow Noah documenting his TRT office visits and pinning over a year or so and ended up calling all these hospitals and turns out aspirating isn't really worth the extra PIP, as it isn't necessary or advised.

And I have always just jabbed for both IM and subQ.

hot damn that is awesome. that was my #1 worry. thanks guys

 

[fueledpassion]

From my experience, you are not going to inject an oil into a pressurized blood vessel. You'll try to plunge and it won't budge because the pressure is too high. When this happens, just back to needled out and move it laterally and push back in to plunge.

 

[SelfMedic]

So I've decided to up the Dros E to blast level while running the EQ.

Test E will stay the same for a few more weeks till I get some bloods done to determine a baseline.

Will up test from 30 mg to 50 mg eod, but add some Exemestane occasionally to hold down the aromization. But that's a few weeks out.

Dros E and EQ both at 100 eod. Started with the Dros E yesterday. Had a crazy, intense, detailes sex dream last night. That's obviously from the HRT level dosing I've been using. Looking forward to what this blast will do.

 

[SelfMedic]

Most definitely feel the libido kicking in. And that is from my HRT level dose kicking in during week three. I'm excited to see what happens a few weeks into the Dros E blast.

My goal with the Dros blast is to see how high up I can kick my libido. That way I know that the DHT stand-in can fix it (amd low T-to-DHT conversion was likely a huge problem). Then I will titrate the dosage down to the lowest levels that give me the libido I want. And that will be my round out my HRT regimen along with Test E and hCG.

 

[cstallion]

Good to hear the libido is kicking in! Is the wife noticing anything yet?

 

[SelfMedic]

Good to hear the libido is kicking in! Is the wife noticing anything yet?

I was traveling alone when it happened. Kinda wore off when I got back home. I think part of this must be stress because when I'm home all the usual stressors are there waiting.

Gonna keep blasting the Drostanalone E and hope.

 

[SelfMedic]

Getting blood work results electronically over the last few hours. Thyroid levels are excellent on 5 mg Methimazole 2x/day.

Total test is 1327 ng/dL on a regular regimen of 30 mg Test E eod with 125 iu hCG cycled on and off eod. I had to travel so my last shot was 75 mg Test E on Friday. The blood was drawn just before Tuesday afternoon.

I've also been taking Dros E and took a couple big doses before I left, 125 mg each.

These levels just seem insane for the tiny amounts of test I'm dosing. Maybe my stuff is overdosed.

Going to cut it down to 25 mg Test E eod.

 

[fueledpassion]

Getting blood work results electronically over the last few hours. Thyroid levels are excellent on 5 mg Methimazole 2x/day.

Total test is 1327 ng/dL on a regular regimen of 30 mg Test E eod with 125 iu hCG cycled on and off eod. I had to travel so my last shot was 75 mg Test E on Friday. The blood was drawn just before Tuesday afternoon.

I've also been taking Dros E and took a couple big doses before I left, 125 mg each.

These levels just seem insane for the tiny amounts of test I'm dosing. Maybe my stuff is overdosed.

Going to cut it down to 25 mg Test E eod.

No, it's not. So you are on average taking:

105mg of Test-E weekly (that is enough to keep most people around 600ng/dL.
Mast-E @ ??? Supraphysiological doses. It may register as T, I don't know.
HCG @ 125iu EOD, so 400-500iu per week

Are you running the EQ as well? Even though you are taking small doses, the combination of all of these definitely adds up to a good deal of total T.

 

[SelfMedic]

No, it's not. So you are on average taking:

105mg of Test-E weekly (that is enough to keep most people around 600ng/dL.
Mast-E @ ??? Supraphysiological doses. It may register as T, I don't know.
HCG @ 125iu EOD, so 400-500iu per week

Are you running the EQ as well? Even though you are taking small doses, the combination of all of these definitely adds up to a good deal of total T.

Mast does NOT register as T. And evrn before I added it, I tested at 1300 with 30 mg Test E eod. Mast ups free T. And I was running it at 30 mg eod up until Friday.

I cut hcg out the ten days before this BW.

Haven't used EQ yet.

 

[fueledpassion]

Mast does NOT register as T. And evrn before I added it, I tested at 1300 with 30 mg Test E eod. Mast ups free T. And I was running it at 30 mg eod up until Friday.

I cut hcg out the ten days before this BW.

Haven't used EQ yet.

well if you tested 1300 on just 30mg EOD, then I'd say your body does well with it. Or maybe you aren't metabolizing the hormone like most people do. If anything, I'd bet the latter.

I only had to run 160mg/wk to get around 1000-1200ng/dl on average but my brother needed 220/wk to get the same results.

I guess it's possible the bottle you are running was a bottle that took up the rest of the production at the end of the day, lol - making it more concentrated. I doubt it's over-dosed though. That sort of mistake is something underground labs and compounding pharmacies alike are doing their best to avoid.

 

[SelfMedic]

well if you tested 1300 on just 30mg EOD, then I'd say your body does well with it. Or maybe you aren't metabolizing the hormone like most people do. If anything, I'd bet the latter.

I only had to run 160mg/wk to get around 1000-1200ng/dl on average but my brother needed 220/wk to get the same results.

I guess it's possible the bottle you are running was a bottle that took up the rest of the production at the end of the day, lol - making it more concentrated. I doubt it's over-dosed though. That sort of mistake is something underground labs and compounding pharmacies alike are doing their best to avoid.

I think it's a combo of low SHBG levels ( 8.9 nmol/L this time, down from 16 last time, ref range 10 - 60) and frequent pinning.

I'm still waiting for my FT and e2 results.

 

[SelfMedic]

Damn it. E2 came back at 105 pg/mL.

Trending down over the last three months, but still outrageous.

I took 25 mg Aromasin last night and will take another round today.

My TT is just too high and I'm lowering my eod dose to 20 mg.

 

[Hyde]

Definitely need to pull back on the gear some - as mentioned, 1300 is NOT TRT levels. Throw into the mix that the mast isn't even registering on that scale and you can see how significant the overall effect is. If you're going to use Mast with your TRT, count it like your test more or less for purposes of looking at total mg/wk.

 

[SelfMedic]

Definitely need to pull back on the gear some - as mentioned, 1300 is NOT TRT levels. Throw into the mix that the mast isn't even registering on that scale and you can see how significant the overall effect is. If you're going to use Mast with your TRT, count it like your test more or less for purposes of looking at total mg/wk.

I'm only at 105 mg Test E per week. I guess I'll go down to 60 mg. I hope this gets me under 1000 ng / dL and 30 pg / mL

 

[SelfMedic]

Definitely need to pull back on the gear some - as mentioned, 1300 is NOT TRT levels. Throw into the mix that the mast isn't even registering on that scale and you can see how significant the overall effect is. If you're going to use Mast with your TRT, count it like your test more or less for purposes of looking at total mg/wk.

I've been going over this in my head all night. I don't want to walk around with such elevated levels of test and e2. If 100 mg per week with just a bit of hCG is causing this, then I need to change something drastically.

I'm stopping test and hCG for two weeks while dosing Aromasin ED. I will continue the mast.

After my test and e2 come down, I will just use hCG for a few weeks and see if I can get my testicles to keep me somewhere between 600 and 900 ng / dL.

Eventually I want to be on just one compound if possible with healthy test and e2 levels.

 

[Hyde]

So just be on test.... or Clomid. Hcg is an adjunct therapy. You need far too much to cruise on it.

 

[SelfMedic]

So just be on test.... or Clomid. Hcg is an adjunct therapy. You need far too much to cruise on it.

Lots of guys on hCG monotherapy.

 

[Hyde]

Lots of guys on hCG monotherapy.

There are guys that cruise on Tren solo. I know you're correct, but I don't believe that's optimal compared to test or clomid if you have to only utilize a single drug.

 

[SelfMedic]

HCG keeps the testes functioning, though, preserving size and fertility while keepinf test levels in the normal range.

I read that most guys do better when adding at least some test to that, but yhen the hCG remains the base and test is adjustable addition.

HCG is the base for me while test is the complimentary adjunct. Because test on its own means I diminish a vital part of my anatomy.

It's semantics based on priorities.

My priority is not losing my testes in pursuit of muscle size. I will keep test in, but rely in other compounds for a true blast.

 

[Hyde]

So the reason you're avoiding Clomid is because you still want to cycle often I take it? Because mine are always huge on Clomid and it can keep your levels between 6-800 no sweat for most guys.

My personal outlook concerning nuts: you just don't need em

 

[SelfMedic]

So the reason you're avoiding Clomid is because you still want to cycle often I take it? Because mine are always huge on Clomid and it can keep your levels between 6-800 no sweat for most guys.

My personal outlook concerning nuts: you just don't need em

No, I'm avoiding it because of the potential for vision and mood issues and decreased libido.

I hear of guys getting up to supra 1100-1500 on Clomid, but there are risks that I'm not sure I want.

 

[Hyde]

No, I'm avoiding it because of the potential for vision and mood issues and decreased libido.

I hear of guys getting up to supra 1100-1500 on Clomid, but there are risks that I'm not sure I want.

25mg/day is what the best medical literature I've seen suggests as the most effective dose. I only get moody at 40+. Never had any vision issues but I can understand your concern. And I've never used it for more than 6wks consecutively.

 

[fueledpassion]

Not trying to change your plan up...but have you considered something like this:

HCG monotherapy with maybe a mild OTC AI or Exemestane at a low dose.

Blast - A combination of
Test ~ 500-700mg/wk
Novolin-R 1iu/20g carbs, small meals only, 2-3iu per meal, 3-4 times per day
Peptides - the usual GHRP-2/6 or Ipa and mod/CJC or rHGH if you can afford it/have a legit source

You really only have one steroid in the mix but your blast will undoubtedly be much stronger than your cruise...

Just a thought. This would be a more sensible approach than to add a bunch of heart-damaging drugs to the mix during the "blast".

Also, make sure you are keeping your blood thin enough and doing what you can to keep your arteries from getting hardened and keeping the BP down as much as possible, regardless what route you settle on.

 

[SelfMedic]

It's cool. I appreciate every bit of input from all of you who give me the courtesy of consideration.

Even if I make hCG my fixed point, I still wanna include a little test. I'm cutting my test dose in half and trying:

HCG 250 iu + Test E 15 mg EOD.

If I blast, I'm lookinf at a mild anabolic like EQ which won't mess with e2.

I wil keep AI on hand, but the goal is to dial in 800-1000 TT and 30-50 e2 without an AI.

 

[SelfMedic]

I've been taking 100 mg dros E eod along with my first hCG injection in a while. Still taking Aromasin 12.5 mg ed.

Painful erection that lasted an hour, but libido was essentially nothing. I thought it was increasing as late as two days ago.

 

[Hyde]

A rock hard shaft with nothing to do with it sounds like a bad time indeed

 

[SelfMedic]

So I've given up on keeping hCG in all the time. Gonna make test the base after all. Will cycle hCG. Too hard to control e2 otherwise.

But as of today I start my blast.

20 weeks of:
Test E 75 mg e2d (262.5 mg/wk)
Mast E 120 mg e2d (420 mg/wk)
EQ 180 mg e2d (630 mg/wk)

First and last 3 1/2 weeks:
Superdrol 20 mg ed

Started blast today. After a month layoff and two sessions back I'm at:

BP 260 x 5
SQ 365 X 2
Chin Up @195 + 55 x 6

 

[Hyde]

This should be exciting! Make sure you're giving blood somewhere in there on that eq for sure. Also consider nattokinase twice a day. Fueled Passion turned me onto that stuff. Dirt cheap and keeps blood thinner effectively

 

[SelfMedic]

This should be exciting! Make sure you're giving blood somewhere in there on that eq for sure. Also consider nattokinase twice a day. Fueled Passion turned me onto that stuff. Dirt cheap and keeps blood thinner effectively

Thanks. I was worried about RBC with the EQ, but I want those supposed connective tissue benefits.

Third day. Third SD 20 mg, second test E 75 mg, first hCG 250 iu. Aromasin 12.5 mg daily along with 0.6 mg Pramipexole at night. Fish oil and liver support and maca.

I have been bouncing between 191 and 195 for months. I am between 195 and 197 today.

Goal for this weekend is to bench 275 for five, back squat 385 for a double with just light wraps, and chin with 65 lbs added for six.

 

[Hyde]

If you can't lift it once the superdrol rolls in, it can't be done lol

 

[fueledpassion]

If you can't lift it once the superdrol rolls in, it can't be done lol

That is about as solid of a statement as the sky being blue.

 

[SelfMedic]

If you can't lift it once the superdrol rolls in, it can't be done lol

Ha!

About when will that be?

 

[fueledpassion]

Ha!

About when will that be?

For me, about 10-12 days into a cycle of 20mg/day. Watch out. When it hits, it hits hard lol. Only steroid EVER to give me a full blown bicep pump in the middle of the night when I wake up to pee.

 

[Hyde]

For me, about 10-12 days into a cycle of 20mg/day. Watch out. When it hits, it hits hard lol. Only steroid EVER to give me a full blown bicep pump in the middle of the night when I wake up to pee.

Sounds terrifying lol

 

[fueledpassion]

Sounds terrifying lol

Surprising might be the better word. I couldn't brush my teeth or exfoliate myself without getting debilitating pumps.

I will probably pick some of that up for my next show. Glycogen uptake is ridonkulous on that stuff.

 

[SelfMedic]

I will be adding UG transdermal test gel to my regimen. This will be applied to the scrotum in an attempt to boost my DHT conversion and help libido.

This will be in addition to my test IM injections and hCG SC injections. I am guessing that this is the equivalent of dosing almost 500 mg cyp/enth solo!

I'm on my sixth day of sdrol and my second eod injections of 180 mg EQ and 120 mg mast P.

I think I've put on a pound or two this week. My range has moved from 191-195 to 194-197.

Benching and db rowing in a few hours. 275 bench better feel light!