Middle Age Is A Great Excuse To Blast And Cruise

[Hyde]

Keep managing a little more consistently and it will keep adding up!

 

[SelfMedic]

Keep managing a little more consistently and it will keep adding up!

Here is my weekly squat progress on tren...

365 x 1
375 x 2
385 x 2
405 x 2 x 2

Week 4 seems to be the takeoff as predicted with e. I'm staying the same weight -- 195-198 -- but I'm getting more muscular and my lifts are accelerating.

Libido is climbing up, for sure.

 

[Hyde]

Dang 40lbs on a month progression - I'd say it's taking off

 

[SelfMedic]

Dang 40lbs on a month progression - I'd say it's taking off

Since 405 x 2x 2 yields at least 425 x 1, you could even say it's a 60-lb increase.

But that 365 x 1 was after a two-week layoff from sickness and bad choices, so got to consider that, too.

Weighed 198 before morning evacuation and 197.2 after.

 

[SelfMedic]

Benched 290 for a triple followed by a couple of singles. It's another small PR. I weighed 197 at the time.

I got a bit sick last night and after eating and beering my way up to 202+, I ended up going to the toilet several times over the next 12 hours and getting slightly under 197. I think the Prami had a lot to with it. I'm up to 1 mg at night. With a night full of trips to the john, I wasn't at my absolute best today.

I have more Exemestane on the way and it should be here by Wednesday. Since I have the AI coming, I feel comfortable re-introducing TRT levels of test. Tonight I added 20 mg Test E to my usual 70 mg Tren E. I also added 10 mg Mast as the cherry on top.

I'm going to be trying TNE as a preworkout, too.

 

[SelfMedic]

I found some ideal ranges on MensHormonalHealth.com. I've seen prolactin as high as 9 ng/mL considered in range, but in healthy young men it is more like 2 or 3. And in many places I've seen that e2 is best between 20 and 30 pg/mL.

Total Testosterone......800 - 1,000 ng/dL ....................2714 ng/dL
Free Testosterone......250 - 300 pg/mL
Estradiol.....................20 - 30 pg/mL ............................131 pg/mL
Prolactin.....................2 - 3 ng/mL .................................26 ng/mL
SHBG........................10 - 30 nmol/L
DHT...........................60 -70 ng/dL
DHEA-S..................~300 ug/dL

These are the ranges for which I'll be shooting. I get labs again in a couple more weeks. I went without any test for ten days and now I'm just using 20 mg test e daily. So I'm hoping I'll be closer to 1,000 ng/dL than 3,000 at that time. Taking 1-1.25 mg Prami daily, but I'm still taking a lot of tren e at this point (and I really want to finish my 12-week cycle of it). I'm starting with Exemestane in a couple of days at 12.5 mg twice a day. So with luck I'll have that estradiol a lot closer to 30.

 

[Hyde]

I can't tell you the ideal ratio, but Google t:e ratios - that is generally more important I believe than the actual number for estro. So if it's 1000:30 that would mean at 2000 a level of 60 would be ideal, for example.

 

[SelfMedic]

I can't tell you the ideal ratio, but Google t:e ratios - that is generally more important I believe than the actual number for estro. So if it's 1000:30 that would mean at 2000 a level of 60 would be ideal, for example.

I've read that a t:e ratio of at least 30 is desirable, with some young men getting as high as 50 (i.e. 1000:20).

As of my last reading my ratio was am unhealthy 20 (2700:130). So even if I were keeping test high, I'd need to knock that e2 down at least 33%.

And that prolactin is 10 times higher than it is in a healthy, horny young man.

 

[SelfMedic]

Libido is back. I upped the prami to 1.25 mg these past couple of nights. Last night and this morning I had eight sizable emissions with the help of interesting porn. I'm starting to have dirty thoughts about women I see throughout my day. That's been completely absent these past few months, and it hasn't been this intense in years. Still not teenage levels, but more than in my 30's.

I squatted 415 for a double, high bar, no belt. I wish I could share the vid. These squats were deep with no loss of back angle. This is a lifetime PR.

Weight shot up three pounds in just over a day to over 200 this morning.

 

[SelfMedic]

Benched my highest ever. 295 for an easy single as a warmup to work sets with 275. Got a PR of 5 and then a set of 4 with the 275. I could have tripled the 295, but wanted to backtrack a bit and get some reps in with a slightly lower weight.

I haven't gained weight in weeks even though I keep gaining strength. I am the strongest I've ever been, but not my heaviest. Staying at 197 -198.

Libido fell off again. I took Exemestane evert few hours to bring that high e2 under control. I will cut down to once per day soon.

I've done 100 mg TNE yesterday and today with no libido boost.

 

[kenpoengineer]

Subbed. Didn't know you were logging here. Interesting hormonal targets.

 

[SelfMedic]

Thanks!

I've decided to drop tren entirely because it looks like I can't avoid the sexual dysfunction. It's hitting me right on cue. Despite lowering my prolactin and estradiol.

I'm hoping I can get to 500/350/600 on mostly TRT doses and some LGD and RAD.

 

[SelfMedic]

I'm going to miss tren,

At 196 I back squatted another personal best: 425 x 2, no belt, thin wraps. It was more like 1 rep...several breaths...then another rep. Bodyweight not going up, but lifts are. Yep, gonna miss tren.

 

[Hyde]

It can be done. It won't be easy for most, but many people CAN do those numbers naturally, let alone with mild anabolic usage. It just takes longer, but consistency is mandatory for the long haul progress regardless. You'll get there!

 

[SelfMedic]

It can be done. It won't be easy for most, but many people CAN do those numbers naturally, let alone with mild anabolic usage. It just takes longer, but consistency is mandatory for the long haul progress regardless. You'll get there!

The people who can hit those numbers naturally are healthy young men, 18-25 years old, with at least average genetics in terms of starting musculature!

A little bit harder for a naturally skinny man in his 40's, haha!

I was 5'10" and 130 lbs in my 20's. Think of a Kenyan long distance to get an idea of my natural build.

Also, I'm considering running tren base as pre-workout from time to time. I can't have tren building up in my system, but maybe I can get away with it for hitting PRs and then letting it exit my system quickly.

I'm definitely not messing with tren right now. And I may go with Halo as preworkout instead of tren base.

The way the double with 425 felt, I am doubting that I have it in me to add another ten pounds next session and still get a double, especially now that I've dropped the tren. I'm thinking of dropping the weight and upping the reps a bit, i.e. 365 x 5-6 or 405 x 3-4.

 

[SelfMedic]

I just benched an easy 315, then a set of five with 285, both are huge PRs.

Then I set a personal best on my beltless conventional deadlift with 500 for two.

The enth is finally kicking in. I think I have to keep going with a lower dose for a couple weeks. Will up test a bit. Both doses will be low: 30/20 mg t/te per day. Or 60/40 eod.

 

[kenpoengineer]

Big numbers there! Congratulations on the PRs!

 

[Hyde]

Of course, but you're also not natural either (even TRT should be better than average natural levels) so what I'm saying is if you are dedicated there is no reason why you cannot achieve 1,450 as long as you train hard, smart and stay relatively injury-free. I mean you are going to have to focus and it could take years; it's not going to happen while you are training for a crossfit competition obviously but it's doable. Glad to hear you got that bench!

 

[SelfMedic]

Of course, but you're also not natural either (even TRT should be better than average natural levels) so what I'm saying is if you are dedicated there is no reason why you cannot achieve 1,450 as long as you train hard, smart and stay relatively injury-free. I mean you are going to have to focus and it could take years; it's not going to happen while you are training for a crossfit competition obviously but it's doable. Glad to hear you got that bench!

I see! Thank you. I think you are right. If naturals with high-normal test can do it, so can I with time and TT levels around 1000.

 

[SelfMedic]

Big numbers there! Congratulations on the PRs!

Thank you!

 

[SelfMedic]

I keep losing weight. Down to 194 lbs tonight.

Everyone says I look like I keep getting bigger, though.

 

[ChocolateClen]

I keep losing weight. Down to 194 lbs tonight.

Everyone says I look like I keep getting bigger, though.

Cause you're leaning out your muscles are probably getting more defined

 

[SelfMedic]

Down to 192 this morning...

Strength is down a bit, too. I thought it was because I upped he frequency and did a max deadlift double. But I'm also losing weight.

I stopped the tren entirely last week because my libido completely died. Back on cruise with 50 mg test e and 50 mg drost e (mast) E3.5D. HCG as needed. I pin Sunday morning and Wednesday evening which are my squat day and bench day respectively.

I'm getting some Proviron for the libido. Getting LGD because it got me from 175 to 200 before I even tried test.

This week it's a deload with 315 squat for 10-12 and 225 x 10-12 bench.

 

[SelfMedic]

Down to 191.

For fun I did some standing overhead press and front squat singles. I got to 175 for a hard rep on the press and 315 on the front squat without wraps and with a slight pause. Then I put on my thin wraps and got 335. I missed 345 because my upper back just gave out.

I did this session while I was training a friend in squats.Yesterday during my own squat session I only managed to get 315 for 8 with my thin wraps, and I had to stop and rest after the sixth set.

I am worried that I can't hold on to the high-190's without a higher TRT dose. I'm beginning to see that for my purposes, low doses probably aren't going to cut it. I'm going to up dose to 75 mg Test E e3.5d along with Mast E.

 

[Hyde]

It's not TRT if it's "higher". Don't fall into the trap of cruising at an elevated level just to hang onto gains. If you're not a competitive athlete (and by that I mean the tip top making money from your strength) then the health ramifications are simply not worth it. Blast and cruise, taking health breaks between getting back on the gas.

Food is the greatest anabolic there is. Love him or hate him, Jason Blaha just did a very interesting talk on how Sumo wrestlers have a fat-free mass index higher than most steroid users, simply from massive continued overfeeding. Find a way to consume more calories if you're concerned with the scale weight!

I also set a PR on fronts last week, 365 belt and sleeves at 231. 375 owned me lol

 

[kenpoengineer]

You two and your freakish heavy front squats! Awesome strength.

 

[SelfMedic]

It's not TRT if it's "higher". Don't fall into the trap of cruising at an elevated level just to hang onto gains. If you're not a competitive athlete (and by that I mean the tip top making money from your strength) then the health ramifications are simply not worth it. Blast and cruise, taking health breaks between getting back on the gas.

Food is the greatest anabolic there is. Love him or hate him, Jason Blaha just did a very interesting talk on how Sumo wrestlers have a fat-free mass index higher than most steroid users, simply from massive continued overfeeding. Find a way to consume more calories if you're concerned with the scale weight!

I also set a PR on fronts last week, 365 belt and sleeves at 231. 375 owned me lol

Thank you very much for the advice. My appetite is usually very healthy, but lately I think the tren has it suppressed. It's been over a week since I stopped tren, and although the strength is fleeing, the sides linger.

Sadly my strength just matches where I was last year when I got tp 190 with LGD and RAD. I got to 175 when I tried the press then did a slow, hard max with 180. I also got 315 on the FS but with thick wraps. Then I went to 325.

I'd like to pick up sdrol to wrap up this aborted tren cycle. 20 mg per day. For 3 weeks.

You two and your freakish heavy front squats! Awesome strength.

Thank you. 405/double bodyweight or bust.

 

[Hyde]

You two and your freakish heavy front squats! Awesome strength.

Eh a strongman I used to train with told me his personal best at 245 was 455x2 in wraps on front. Knowing him it was probably a mile high, but I can also out-squat him so in my mind I need to definitely eclipse that without wraps at some point.

405 is definitely something I'm after, but double bodyweight is gonna take a while lol

 

[SelfMedic]

Benched 225 for three easy sets of ten. Wish my higher rep squats would go this way (got 315 for a mere eight).

Bodyweight between 191 and 194.

 

[SelfMedic]

It turns out I'm enjoying pinning less. Feeling really good lately. Emotions under control. Libido is still weak, but it seems to be improving. I actually get excited to watch porn and am starting to have more dirty thoughts about women in real life. Still don't quite feel like actually having sex, though.

TRT cruise:
75 mg Test E + 250 iu hCG E3.5D (Sunday morning and Wednesday night)

Libido and anti-aromataze:
Proviron 50 mg EOD or ED

Next Blast:
Superdrol 20 mg EOD on training days for six weeks

 

[Hyde]

Sounds like a good plan. Also, something I've found is that sometimes forcing yourself to have sex even when you've no desire is the best thing to do. Not in a diehard mentality, just tell yourself to try it and "see where it goes". Not stressing is obviously crucial. You start with some foreplay, give it a go and before you know it you may end up having a really satisfying experience you weren't even committed to.

 

[SelfMedic]

Last night I messed around again while my buddy did squats and chins under my supervision. I standing pressed 155 for a few sets of five. Then I hit my current max of 175 while tired. My best ever was 180 last year at this bodyweight.

Then I FINALLY got 15 chin ups @ 194. And these were with the bar to my midchest. I have always gotten stuck at 12 no matter my body weight.

I hadn't done a chin in years because of severe golfers elbow in both elbows. LGD cleared that up. It was nice to smash a personal record by 3 reps while weighing near my heaviest ever.

It's a combination of heavy db rows and pullups. DB rows are really underrated; they can be the bench of the upper body pull if taken seriously and performed in a way that allows tension against big weights. Exogenous test or not, including the DB row and excelling on it has driven my pull/chin up strength more than anything else.

 

[SelfMedic]

Another good session with more progress. I jumped the squat work weight by 50 lbs to 365 and only lost two reps: 365 x 6. I think I just really suck at reps. I'm going up to 385 next time and going for five, then 405 for four after that. My projected max will be up from 425 to 440 by then. I've already hit 425 for a double with a long pause between reps, so maybe with 405 x 4, my actual max will be a few pounds more.

The strength gains are coming along nicely on just test and hCG. I need to keep that in mind so I don't go off the rails and pour a bunch of damaging compounds in my blood too soon.

The superdrol and proviron both get here in a couple days. I want to give the proviron a couple weeks to work before I add the sdrol. So a few more weeks of chasing 500-400-600 on TRT cruise.

 

[kenpoengineer]

Watch those tendons, young man. Lol

 

[SelfMedic]

Stuff arrived today. I shelved the sdrol and popped 100 mg of proviron as a kickstart. My understanding is that it takes a few days to start feeling it. I'll lower the dose at day 5.

I also took an exemestane tab just as I'm wont to do every 5-7 days, particularly during my hCG blasts.

Also, I may just go with LGD or RAD for a few weeks before I try the sdrol. This gives the proviron time to work without some other element that could affect sex drive. And I know LGD and RAD put weight on me and make me stronger all on their own. I've been looking forward to stacking them with test.

 

[Hyde]

As both LGD and Rad will hurt cholesterol, and SD will destroy it, I personally wouldn't use them immediately prior to SD. I would go into the SD as healthy as possible basically.

My .02 from the peanut gallery lol

 

[SelfMedic]

As both LGD and Rad will hurt cholesterol, and SD will destroy it, I personally wouldn't use them immediately prior to SD. I would go into the SD as healthy as possible basically.

My .02 from the peanut gallery lol

I will take your advice!

Health is as much a goal as strength right now. My blood pressure is down and I'm trying to get back to high-normal total test with 75 mg test e twice a week. I'll be dropping the hCG again soon, too.

I'm getting bloods in the next couple of weeks and I'm hoping for TT 800-1000, e2 under 30, prolactin under 10, and decent liver values.

 

[Hyde]

Don't start the Superdrol until AFTER you've got the liver values then lol

 

[Gnarkill]

With the long esters you will still be really stable at twice a week also why as much test as tren they fight for the same thing and tren will always win the test is really just to keep your Penis working save the money man and run like 200 mg test a week and like 400 tren it will keep your sides down and let's the tren do its thing you want tren to be getting the most of it not the test

 

[SelfMedic]

With the long esters you will still be really stable at twice a week also why as much test as tren they fight for the same thing and tren will always win the test is really just to keep your Penis working save the money man and run like 200 mg test a week and like 400 tren it will keep your sides down and let's the tren do its thing you want tren to be getting the most of it not the test

I dropped tren a while back. Just test and bouts of hCG.

 

[Gnarkill]

Lol sorry man I'm new to the forum still learning the run around bro. Hcg is good to get those baby makers rolling again good for you how was your gains in that cycle I LOVE tren e lol

 

[SelfMedic]

Lol sorry man I'm new to the forum still learning the run around bro. Hcg is good to get those baby makers rolling again good for you how was your gains in that cycle I LOVE tren e lol

I miss tren so much.

But turns out I miss being horny even more.

Tren gave my first 315 bench (easy single) after I got stuck on 295.

 

[Gnarkill]

Nice man bad ass my first tren run i was begging my wife for it she said I need it to much and I didn't have a caber so I would go for like a hour and a half and couldn't get off lmao God dam prolactin I know better now lol

 

[SelfMedic]

My lab results are coming in electronically.

Looks like that pramipexole wasn't bunk.

My prolactin was 26 last month. It's less than 1 now.

PROLACTIN
Standard range: 2 - 18 ng/mL
10/--/16 26
11/--/16 <1

 

[SelfMedic]

Total Test 1270 ng/dL at the 3.5-day trough. Need to lower the dose.

SHBG
Standard range: 10.0 - 60.0 nmol/L
11/--/16 16.0

SHBG nice and near the low range.

High bar back squatted 390 x 5 @ 190. No belt, thin wraps. Losing weight, but getting satisfactorily stronger. Going for 405 x 5 next week.

DIHYDROTESTOSTERONE
Standard range: 106.0 - 719.0 pg/mL
11/--/16 601.0
Or
Standard range: 10.6 - 71.9 ng/dL
11/--/16 60.1

Up near the top. Thanks, Proviron. I was hoping I'd be hornier.

 

[kenpoengineer]

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[SelfMedic]

Thanks, KE. I really wish I had an iPhone now. When will this be available for Android?

Just did an early morning weigh after bathroom. I'm just a sliver above 190 lbs. I guess I really can't complain as long as my squat and bench keeps going up.

 

[kenpoengineer]

Oh man. I'm strictly developing iPhone apps. Depending on sales I'll decide if duplication for android is worth while.

 

[SelfMedic]

Oh man. I'm strictly developing iPhone apps. Depending on sales I'll decide if duplication for android is worth while.

Dangit. I'll use my girlfriends's iPhone for now.

 

[kenpoengineer]

Dangit. I'll use my girlfriends's iPhone for now.

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