WTF is Testofen?
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kingjameskjf
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lol, strong 2 year bump!
terminator
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Here's a published study that showed it may help increase libido. Keep in mind that this is a subjective test. Testosterone measured did not change, but the researches didn't test for Free Testosterone changes. -
Phytother Res. 2011 Feb 10.
[h=1]Physiological Aspects of Male Libido Enhanced by Standardized Trigonella foenum-graecum Extract and Mineral Formulation.[/h]Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed.
[h=3]Source[/h]Applied Science and Nutrition Pty Ltd, Clinical Trials, PO Box 68, New Farm, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, 4005. [email protected].
[h=3]Abstract[/h]The aim of the clinical study was to evaluate the effect of Testofen, a standardized Trigonella foenum-graecum (Fenugreek) extract and mineral formulation, on male libido (sexual drive, urge or desire) in a double blind randomized placebo controlled study. The study recruited 60 healthy males aged between 25 and 52, without erectile dysfunction and randomized to an oral dose (two tablets per day) of the active treatment (600 mg Testofen per day) or placebo for 6 weeks. The primary outcome measure was the DISF-SR (male) self-administered QOL total score and the four domain scores. The secondary outcome was specific quality of life parameters. Testofen had an overall positive effect on physiological aspects of libido. In particular, there was a significant increase in the subdomains of sexual arousal and orgasm. Testofen had a positive effect on QOL in self-reported satisfaction with muscle strength, energy and well-being but did not have an effect on mood or sleep. Serum prolactin and testosterone levels remained within the reference range. It was concluded that Testofen demonstrated a significant positive effect on physiological aspects of libido and may assist to maintain normal healthy testosterone levels. Copyright © 2011 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.
Phytother Res. 2011 Feb 10.
[h=1]Physiological Aspects of Male Libido Enhanced by Standardized Trigonella foenum-graecum Extract and Mineral Formulation.[/h]Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed.
[h=3]Source[/h]Applied Science and Nutrition Pty Ltd, Clinical Trials, PO Box 68, New Farm, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, 4005. [email protected].
[h=3]Abstract[/h]The aim of the clinical study was to evaluate the effect of Testofen, a standardized Trigonella foenum-graecum (Fenugreek) extract and mineral formulation, on male libido (sexual drive, urge or desire) in a double blind randomized placebo controlled study. The study recruited 60 healthy males aged between 25 and 52, without erectile dysfunction and randomized to an oral dose (two tablets per day) of the active treatment (600 mg Testofen per day) or placebo for 6 weeks. The primary outcome measure was the DISF-SR (male) self-administered QOL total score and the four domain scores. The secondary outcome was specific quality of life parameters. Testofen had an overall positive effect on physiological aspects of libido. In particular, there was a significant increase in the subdomains of sexual arousal and orgasm. Testofen had a positive effect on QOL in self-reported satisfaction with muscle strength, energy and well-being but did not have an effect on mood or sleep. Serum prolactin and testosterone levels remained within the reference range. It was concluded that Testofen demonstrated a significant positive effect on physiological aspects of libido and may assist to maintain normal healthy testosterone levels. Copyright © 2011 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.
terminator
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The only human clinical study on their site has not been published yet and it was funded by Gencor, so you can understand why I'm a little skeptical. The other human clinical study that I posted above utilized Testofen and ZMA and there still was no change in serum testosterone (it actually decreased, but was not statistically significant).
I'm still waiting for further studies to be published before I go out and try Testofen products. If Gencor's study gets published by a reputable journal or a peer reviewed study is published, then I may go out and try Testofen
ryansm
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Agreed, but it was a double-blindThe only human clinical study on their site has not been published yet and it was funded by Gencor, so you can understand why I'm a little skeptical. The other human clinical study that I posted above utilized Testofen and ZMA and there still was no change in serum testosterone (it actually decreased, but was not statistically significant).
I'm still waiting for further studies to be published before I go out and try Testofen products. If Gencor's study gets published by a reputable journal or a peer reviewed study is published, then I may go out and try Testofen
p5sky
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kingjameskjf
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yeah I saw that too. still some good info but alot of good products out there now.
p5sky
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Cooper is NOT a fan of testofen, I do not recall why. had nice results from a TestoPro/Stoked stack.
kingjameskjf
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I haven't noticed much with many of them but one I do like DAA the best.
mr.cooper69
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Same reasons that this thread mentioned. Testofen studies were funded by beneficiaries. In a similar vein, the new "Testosurge" extract was funded by Indus Biotech, another beneficiary. With the data on fenugreek being what it is, I'm not sold on its merit as a testosterone booster. Nice libido aid though.
p5sky
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Thanks Coop, I didnt read through the whole thread. I did have solid strength increases with TestoPro, but I did not gain a lot of size/wt, more of recomp effects.
kingjameskjf
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Ever try cissus? It helps a lot with joint pain.
USPlabsRep
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If not funded by the company, who would fund it?
Is drug research not funded by the company?
Instead of passing industry funded research as irrelevant, we should critique the study model instead of the funding.
mr.cooper69
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I'd like to continue this discussion, but I'm afraid you'll have to wait another year for my rebuttal. It's only fair
andrew732
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I agree
USPlabsRep
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patience is a virtue
snagencyV2.0
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LOL wtf
thread starts 6yrs ago..goes into hiding after couple months..
bumped again in 2008; goes dead again for 2yrs..
bumped once more in 2010 before being bumped (AGAIN) in 2012..
hmm, must be the annual or semi-annual june/july summer dead time on forum, everyone looking to bump something to spark up interest
i'll agree on the study issue tho - you cannot pick & choose which study to attach label "bias" to
they all have some form of bias or faulty parameter, somewhere or another..
thread starts 6yrs ago..goes into hiding after couple months..
bumped again in 2008; goes dead again for 2yrs..
bumped once more in 2010 before being bumped (AGAIN) in 2012..
hmm, must be the annual or semi-annual june/july summer dead time on forum, everyone looking to bump something to spark up interest
i'll agree on the study issue tho - you cannot pick & choose which study to attach label "bias" to
they all have some form of bias or faulty parameter, somewhere or another..
bwright
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Sorry to be persistent... any ideas?
mr.cooper69
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If you're wondering why I'm skeptical of Indus Biotech studies, here's a chief example:
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If you delve into the full text, fenugreek increased estrogen over baseline by roughly 25%. This was not statistically significant relative to placebo because the placebo group showed a whopping ~40% increase in estrogen over 8 weeks.
Now let's think about this...one of the study groups is taking a sugar pill and showing a 40% increase in estrogen across the board?
How about T levels? The placebo group showed a 15-20% drop in both T and free T over 8 weeks.
The placebo group also showed a fairly dramatic drop in peak power output over the course of 8 weeks.
What's going on here? Taking a sugar pill is making these guys get a surge of estrogen, a drop in androgens, and a loss of peak strength? Keep in mind this isn't something like a single person's hormone panel which is subject to fluctuation...the sample size is supposed to help eliminate random error. And yet here we are
Hmmmm....
Touey
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Some studies are to the flagrant degree much more so than other, you must examine each one in depth for analysis...Testofen is a waist for the money I have tried two different companies was useless maybe most so of anything I have been trying except maybe viraloid