OK I seen in forum after forum of 16-17-18 year olds RAVING about these compounds. I believe it all started with the shady American Cellular Labs marketing scamming with their 'partner' brick & mortar stores direct at the young crowd. So you see forums all over with young children raving about these DARE I SAY - 'Tren Compounds'. And I do HATE to say it but for popularity reasons ONLY. So they're non-methyl. Some say they're solid for a few pounds of mass with minimum sides - but so is H-Drol. PA and one other chemist I've seen review these Estra-4,9 compounds both basically say they're crap and have very little conversion. Now for those of you that have strong experience in PH/PS's over the last few years including an Xtreme Tren (or clone) compound - where do you guys see their place among the big boys (Super, Halo, Phera, Epi)? That is - if they even have a place. If they really do have some great advantages the other popular guns don't have please share - before it's too late! :food: