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Re1gn was bad times for me, with the Y side effects.
I'm sensitive to Y but not to Rauwolscine. The issue I've ran into some times is because Rauwolscine/Alpha-Y is so expensive, some brands use regular Y in its place. I can always tell bc even the smallest amount of regular Y make me feel like crap.

I do remember with Re1gn, they had that one batch that something happened with that they had too much of something, it may have been Yohimbine, I can't remember. I never tried that batch. I tried later batches and it was good but the crash sucked.

Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore for me was the good from it without the bad. Great energy, good pumps, and no crash. To me, it feels like functional energy vs cracked out I can't think straight energy.
 
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I am not a fan of DMAA and DMHA because one doesn't work for me and the other makes me crash so bad. So my opinions always reflect my thoughts on things without those in it.

Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore is as strong of a pre-workout as I would ever want to use. Its out of stock at the moment direct on their site, but DPS has it at a crazy good price of like 24 ea. after their coupon. For me, it feels like Re1gn did but without the crash.
How many scoops did you take before workout? Is one scoop just right?
 
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How many scoops did you take before workout? Is one scoop just right?
It depends on my workouts. I take very little rest between sets. So if its something like shoulders I'm going to roll through quickly, normally 1 or 1.5 scoops. But some weeks, just due to my schedule, I wind up training chest and back together so that would normally be a 2 scoop type of day.

Most of the time though, I would say 1 to 1.5 scoops. 2 scoops is pretty intense. But its not like a cracked out wanting to run laps around the gym energy (which I hate), its a okay, I'm going to get this done right type energy.
 

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I'm sensitive to Y but not to Rauwolscine. The issue I've ran into some times is because Rauwolscine/Alpha-Y is so expensive, some brands use regular Y in its place. I can always tell bc even the smallest amount of regular Y make me feel like crap.

I do remember with Re1gn, they had that one batch that something happened with that they had too much of something, it may have been Yohimbine, I can't remember. I never tried that batch. I tried later batches and it was good but the crash sucked.

Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore for me was the good from it without the bad. Great energy, good pumps, and no crash. To me, it feels like functional energy vs cracked out I can't think straight energy.
From what you described that's exactly how I felt on the previous version of Thermagize XT with the
3mg of Alpha Y when I used it uncapped with a little more caffeine from an energized bcaa and a few
pump ingredients. I felt that good hard hitting focused energy that kicked in and continued throughout
my workout and beyond when I went to work after early a.m. weight training workout so it felt like a
quality Alpha Y :) so I'm looking forward to the new version of Thermagize XT ;)
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Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore for me was the good from it without the bad. Great energy, good pumps, and no crash. To me, it feels like functional energy vs cracked out I can't think straight energy.
Are they affiliated with SNS as well? That label font looks familiar
 
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Are they affiliated with SNS as well? That label font looks familiar
Not in the way that CEL is for example, but we handle some distribution for them. We have a good size warehouse and handle shipping and distribution for a few brands, some I can say and some I have NDA's to where I can't.

(Not sure on the font; they have 2 different label styles and use a different graphic artist so that part would be coincidental).
 

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Ok so little update, since starting the thread I had Dark Energy, and now am on Edge of Insanity. Both products are very good, both tasted excellent, Dark Energy was skittles and Edge of Insanity was strawberry watermelon. To be honest I think most of these products are maxed out as I didn't notice anything special about either. I thought both were very effective, to be honest I can't even say one was better than the other. I would happily purchase them again, I'm considering excelsior next.
 

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Excelsior is unbelievable if you are not prone to anxiety/depression. One scoop feels like you are rolling on ecstasy for over an hour but the come down for me was terrible depression for the rest of the entire day till the next morning.
 
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Excelsior is next level.

Reminds me of OG craze, about 3/4 as strong
 
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Is excelsior still like that or has the formula been changed. Did it give any yohimbe feels? Can’t do the yohimbe
 

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I'm actually starting to question whether or not anything illegal is actually in excelsior. i had a drug test at work today and i took 1 1/2 scoops of excelsior this morning before the workout and the drug test which was just a saliva one with a sponge didn't catch anything surprisingly enough. the drug test happened 6hours after i took the scoops. now it could be possible i just got a faulty little kit and it wasn't obvious it was a bad kit or something because i did take about 100mg of DMAA around like 50hours prior to it and since it's chemical structure is quite similar to methamphetmines( and for those that don't know methamphetmines are detectable for like 4 days in the body to my knowledge), the drug test should've caught me but it didn't. so i don't really know what to think about excelsior anymore, there might not actually be anything illegal in it :unsure:.

my excelsior tub is Lot : IN087242 and the exp is 08/2023
 

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I'm actually starting to question whether or not anything illegal is actually in excelsior. i had a drug test at work today and i took 1 1/2 scoops of excelsior this morning before the workout and the drug test which was just a saliva one with a sponge didn't catch anything surprisingly enough. the drug test happened 6hours after i took the scoops. now it could be possible i just got a faulty little kit and it wasn't obvious it was a bad kit or something because i did take about 100mg of DMAA around like 50hours prior to it and since it's chemical structure is quite similar to methamphetmines( and for those that don't know methamphetmines are detectable for like 4 days in the body to my knowledge), the drug test should've caught me but it didn't. so i don't really know what to think about excelsior anymore, there might not actually be anything illegal in it :unsure:.

my excelsior tub is Lot : IN087242 and the exp is 08/2023
How do you like excelsior? I can also relate to your story, I got drug tested when I started my current job, this was about 8 years ago and I was on OG Craze at the time, I was worried to say the least.
 
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I'm actually starting to question whether or not anything illegal is actually in excelsior. i had a drug test at work today and i took 1 1/2 scoops of excelsior this morning before the workout and the drug test which was just a saliva one with a sponge didn't catch anything surprisingly enough. the drug test happened 6hours after i took the scoops. now it could be possible i just got a faulty little kit and it wasn't obvious it was a bad kit or something because i did take about 100mg of DMAA around like 50hours prior to it and since it's chemical structure is quite similar to methamphetmines( and for those that don't know methamphetmines are detectable for like 4 days in the body to my knowledge), the drug test should've caught me but it didn't. so i don't really know what to think about excelsior anymore, there might not actually be anything illegal in it :unsure:.

my excelsior tub is Lot : IN087242 and the exp is 08/2023
I never comment on other brands products, especially when it comes to the legalities of them. So my reply is only informational about drug tests and not specific towards anyone's products.

If there is a product that no one knows exactly what's in it, it is a good idea to be safe and cautious with drug tests. And always remember that just because nothing shows up on a drug test doesn't mean there isn't anything illegal in something. Not all illegal stimulants will show up as methamphetamine in drug tests.

Also, and this is very important, a lot of the instant type drug tests aren't as sensitive and don't pick up on things that some of the others do. So if you ever see that someone passes one like this, don't assume you will if you have one done by an actual lab.

Again, my post has nothing to do with the product being discussed. Just trying to help people out bc I've seen people use home test kits and think they were fine and test positive for something. I also know of a case where someone bragged to a coworker about being surprised he passed a drug test and management took them to Lab Corp for one the same day and they failed it.
 

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How do you like excelsior? I can also relate to your story, I got drug tested when I started my current job, this was about 8 years ago and I was on OG Craze at the time, I was worried to say the least.
It'a a pretty nice pwo, whenever I take it I can be confident that I'll pretty much have energy for the rest of the day without any problems, I really just love the energy I get from it, you can't get that type of energy from most pwo's nowadays so it's really nice. my only problem with it is when I take it I drink water like an absolute dog, can easily drink a whole gallon of water in 1 session which forces me to go to the bathroom around every 1-1.5hours after the session like 5 times which gets pretty annoying, not really sure if I am supposed to feel the need to go to the bathroom during a session or not becasue I did a test to see how much water I peed compared to what I drank and I basically ended up peeing out the same amount of liquid I drank, but havn't had any problems besides that.


I never comment on other brands products, especially when it comes to the legalities of them. So my reply is only informational about drug tests and not specific towards anyone's products.

If there is a product that no one knows exactly what's in it, it is a good idea to be safe and cautious with drug tests. And always remember that just because nothing shows up on a drug test doesn't mean there isn't anything illegal in something. Not all illegal stimulants will show up as methamphetamine in drug tests.

Also, and this is very important, a lot of the instant type drug tests aren't as sensitive and don't pick up on things that some of the others do. So if you ever see that someone passes one like this, don't assume you will if you have one done by an actual lab.

Again, my post has nothing to do with the product being discussed. Just trying to help people out bc I've seen people use home test kits and think they were fine and test positive for something. I also know of a case where someone bragged to a coworker about being surprised he passed a drug test and management took them to Lab Corp for one the same day and they failed it.
good to know!
 

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You dont get any depression/come down hard after taking it? I absolutely love the first 2 hours but the depression lasts for a full day.
 

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You dont get any depression/come down hard after taking it? I absolutely love the first 2 hours but the depression lasts for a full day.
nah, I notice i get a very hard crash though when taking DMAA with it, might just be DMAA in general though
 
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Side note: Just tried Myoblox Loco (Lime Sorbet) first time today. Def a great all around daily pre. I would say the energy is SLIGHTLY higher than your average pre, tastes great, great focus/energy.

The ultimate hardcore Pre I've used lately would be DVST8 State of the Union. It's panic attack city at two scoops.
 
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I'm surprised to not see any love for BuckedUp. WokeAF and BAMF are excellent products - pricey but its all I've been using the past year.
This sells well at the shop and honestly I have no idea why. It does not appear to be a bad product but certainly nothing special based on the label.

Bucked UP
IMO too low on the following: BA, A-GPC, and 100mg of taurine for f**ks sake. Then we get to the deer antler and the whopping 100mg of Himalayan rock salt lol.

Woke AF: too low on A-GPC, joke of a taurine dose and salt again. Then we get the dendrobium playing on the remnants of craze lore and once again deer antler BS.

They must taste good is all I can come up with because I can think of about 9,867,345 other pre's I would choose first. To each their own.
 
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This sells well at the shop and honestly I have no idea why. It does not appear to be a bad product but certainly nothing special based on the label.

Bucked UP
IMO too low on the following: BA, A-GPC, and 100mg of taurine for f**ks sake. Then we get to the deer antler and the whopping 100mg of Himalayan rock salt lol.

Woke AF: too low on A-GPC, joke of a taurine dose and salt again. Then we get the dendrobium playing on the remnants of craze lore and once again deer antler BS.

They must taste good is all I can come up with because I can think of about 9,867,345 other pre's I would choose first. To each their own.
I felt the same way and never tried it for the longest time. I get a little hookup from a rep I know, so I don't pay full price. WokeAF I just feel better than anything else on the market. I took a break and used some old pre's I had - GAT Nitraflex was always my favorite before. I get better pumps, more energy, and more focus on WokeAF.

BAMF isn't bad either. I've never used the original.
 
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I'm actually starting to question whether or not anything illegal is actually in excelsior. i had a drug test at work today and i took 1 1/2 scoops of excelsior this morning before the workout and the drug test which was just a saliva one with a sponge didn't catch anything surprisingly enough. the drug test happened 6hours after i took the scoops. now it could be possible i just got a faulty little kit and it wasn't obvious it was a bad kit or something because i did take about 100mg of DMAA around like 50hours prior to it and since it's chemical structure is quite similar to methamphetmines( and for those that don't know methamphetmines are detectable for like 4 days in the body to my knowledge), the drug test should've caught me but it didn't. so i don't really know what to think about excelsior anymore, there might not actually be anything illegal in it :unsure:.

my excelsior tub is Lot : IN087242 and the exp is 08/2023
i passed a piss test with my 8/23 batch
 
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Ok so little update, since starting the thread I had Dark Energy, and now am on Edge of Insanity. Both products are very good, both tasted excellent, Dark Energy was skittles and Edge of Insanity was strawberry watermelon. To be honest I think most of these products are maxed out as I didn't notice anything special about either. I thought both were very effective, to be honest I can't even say one was better than the other. I would happily purchase them again, I'm considering excelsior next.
I have Dark Energy also. For me it is very powerful. Dmaa + Dmha gives a crazy strong euphoric energy. Just too much for me personally!

I have a tub with 2 scoops out of it. Would sell it off cheap if any lads wanted a tub (In the UK) or a swap for something else. Just overpowering for me. Some will find it awesome but the adderall effect for me isn't the most productive lol
 
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I never comment on other brands products, especially when it comes to the legalities of them. So my reply is only informational about drug tests and not specific towards anyone's products.

If there is a product that no one knows exactly what's in it, it is a good idea to be safe and cautious with drug tests. And always remember that just because nothing shows up on a drug test doesn't mean there isn't anything illegal in something. Not all illegal stimulants will show up as methamphetamine in drug tests.

Also, and this is very important, a lot of the instant type drug tests aren't as sensitive and don't pick up on things that some of the others do. So if you ever see that someone passes one like this, don't assume you will if you have one done by an actual lab.

Again, my post has nothing to do with the product being discussed. Just trying to help people out bc I've seen people use home test kits and think they were fine and test positive for something. I also know of a case where someone bragged to a coworker about being surprised he passed a drug test and management took them to Lab Corp for one the same day and they failed it.
Bang on

A friend of mine was using a research chemical (3-fma i think it was). He passed a random drug test at work and this is an amphetamine analogue.

Also another known one is Kratom. Kratom has a very strong binding affinity to the mu-opioid receptor (Morphine' Oxycodone etc). I got a drug screen on Kratom and no opiates were found. The studies all showed it had a strong opiate binding also and the effects have that similar feel also

So yeh amphetamine analogues won't all be found in drug tests
 
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I never comment on other brands products, especially when it comes to the legalities of them. So my reply is only informational about drug tests and not specific towards anyone's products.

If there is a product that no one knows exactly what's in it, it is a good idea to be safe and cautious with drug tests. And always remember that just because nothing shows up on a drug test doesn't mean there isn't anything illegal in something. Not all illegal stimulants will show up as methamphetamine in drug tests.

Also, and this is very important, a lot of the instant type drug tests aren't as sensitive and don't pick up on things that some of the others do. So if you ever see that someone passes one like this, don't assume you will if you have one done by an actual lab.

Again, my post has nothing to do with the product being discussed. Just trying to help people out bc I've seen people use home test kits and think they were fine and test positive for something. I also know of a case where someone bragged to a coworker about being surprised he passed a drug test and management took them to Lab Corp for one the same day and they failed it.
If people search my posts i also posted about Excelsior causing me a TIA (Mini stroke)

I was hooked on Excelsior and i took it daily and after a few weeks i collapsed at home and took to hospital. I went for 6 different scans over a period of 3 month. The tests done that night in hospital showed i had took the mini stroke (No damage thankfully) The doctor says what was it you took and i explained the pre workout. He says your markers all show the stress of an amphetamine causing damage in your system. Blood pressure was insane also.

Just a word of warning to people using excelsior. I nearly had a paralyzed body all for a good workout. Pre workouts are fine as long as your certain of the ingredients.

When i stopped i had awful amphetamine withdrawals also. Never slept so much in my life and the depression was debilitating
 
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If people search my posts i also posted about Excelsior causing me a TIA (Mini stroke)

I was hooked on Excelsior and i took it daily and after a few weeks i collapsed at home and took to hospital. I went for 6 different scans over a period of 3 month. The tests done that night in hospital showed i had took the mini stroke (No damage thankfully) The doctor says what was it you took and i explained the pre workout. He says your markers all show the stress of an amphetamine causing damage in your system. Blood pressure was insane also.

Just a word of warning to people using excelsior. I nearly had a paralyzed body all for a good workout. Pre workouts are fine as long as your certain of the ingredients.

When i stopped i had awful amphetamine withdrawals also. Never slept so much in my life and the depression was debilitating
I'm so sorry to hear about your experience. I'm glad that you didn't have any serious lasting damage.

I normally never post anything negative about competing brands. Actually I never do. But I'll say this, and it isn't directed towards Excelsior or any particular brand or product; its just a direct statement about any brand that put stuff in their products that's not on the labels. It sucks for companies like SNS and CEL and many others that follow GMP protocols and do things the right way to basically be competing against drug dealers - and what I mean by drug dealers is companies putting designer stimulants and other illegal ingredients in their product that aren't on their labels. Everyone has the right to know what they are taking and its a-holes like this that give the industry a bad reputation and give the FDA the ammo they need to keep targeting the industry.

I think that people should be able to take most anything they want to; I just think companies should put what's really in the products on their labels so that people will know what they are putting in their bodies. (Again, this isn't directed towards any particular product or company; just a statement about the industry overall).

The way this conversation about strong pre-workouts progressed, I want to clarify something I said in an earlier post. In an earlier post, I recommended Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore as my favorite high stim pre-workout. I don't want that recommendation to be interconnected in any way with the ongoing conversation about trying to figure out what's really in products, failing drug tests, etc. It's a really sad state of the industry that I need to qualify and clarify my statement, but let me rephrase to say it like this -

Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore is my favorite high stim pre-workout that is legal and great for people that want to know that they are getting what the label says they are. It's basically like the OG Re1gn that people loved except without DMHA and Dynamine, TeaCrine, and Theobromine in its place - which for me makes for cleaner energy without the crash/headache that Re1gn gave me sometimes. (DPS actually has an insane sale on it right now for 23.99 each with the coupon code listed on the product page, but very limited quantities left in stock).
 
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I like Rauwolscine/Alpha-Y but I can't take regular Yohimbine. Alpha-Y/Rauwolscine is in some of the most popular pre-workouts on the market, but I am surprised that regular Yohimbine is still used in so many; bc its so inexpensive to buy, the people that can take it can always but it to use regularly or take it in addition to things if they want.
 
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I like Rauwolscine/Alpha-Y but I can't take regular Yohimbine. Alpha-Y/Rauwolscine is in some of the most popular pre-workouts on the market, but I am surprised that regular Yohimbine is still used in so many; bc its so inexpensive to buy, the people that can take it can always but it to use regularly or take it in addition to things if they want.
no disrespect but that doesn’t matter. all of it gives me negative sides. i would have certainly bought some otherwise. that sh!t needs to go away.
 
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no disrespect but that doesn’t matter. all of it gives me negative sides. i would have certainly bought some otherwise. that sh!t needs to go away.
When I reply to posts, I respond in the sense of to anyone reading. I was just pointing out to anyone that doesn’t know that there’s a difference between Alpha Yohimbine and regular Yohimbine. And individual response can certainly vary. Me and you are great examples - you can’t tolerate either where I can tolerate alpha Yohimbine but not regular. But there are some people that love both.

SNS makes Alpha Yohimbine capsules and Yohimbine HCl capsules and both sell well for us. So there’s definitely people out there that love them both. I forgot which famous fitness coach it is, but there’s one that recommends Yohimbine to all his clients.

Another issue is that Alpha Yohimbine is a raw material that you need to test every batch of to make sure it’s Alpha Yohimbine and not regular bc there’s a huge price difference and there’s been quite a few known instances of companies trying to pass off regular as alpha.

I’m not sure if you remember or saw it but several years ago we sent out samples of Alpha Yohimbine to quite a few forum members that said they couldn’t take Alpha Yohimbine and they were able to tolerate ours fine. It’s not that there is anything unique about ours other than it is actual Alpha Yohimbine.

I hope all that makes sense.
 
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I'm so sorry to hear about your experience. I'm glad that you didn't have any serious lasting damage.

I normally never post anything negative about competing brands. Actually I never do. But I'll say this, and it isn't directed towards Excelsior or any particular brand or product; its just a direct statement about any brand that puts stuff in their products that's not on the labels. It sucks for companies like SNS and CEL and many others that follow GMP protocols and do things the right way to basically be competing against drug dealers - and what I mean by drug dealers is companies putting designer stimulants and other illegal ingredients in their product that aren't on their labels. Everyone has the right to know what they are taking and its a-holes like this that give the industry a bad reputation and give the FDA the ammo they need to keep targeting the industry.

I think that people should be able to take most anything they want to; I just think companies should put what's really in the products on their labels so that people will know what they are putting in their bodies. (Again, this isn't directed towards any particular product or company; just a statement about the industry overall).

The way this conversation about strong pre-workouts progressed, I want to clarify something I said in an earlier post. In an earlier post, I recommended Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore as my favorite high stim pre-workout. I don't want that recommendation to be interconnected in any way with the ongoing conversation about trying to figure out what's really in products, failing drug tests, etc. It's a really sad state of the industry that I need to qualify and clarify my statement, but let me rephrase to say it like this -

Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore is my favorite high stim pre-workout that is legal and great for people that want to know that they are getting what the label says they are. It's basically like the OG Re1gn that people loved except without DMHA and Dynamine, TeaCrine, and Theobromine in its place - which for me makes for cleaner energy without the crash/headache that Re1gn gave me sometimes. (DPS actually has an insane sale on it right now for 23.99 each with the coupon code listed on the product page, but very limited quantities left in stock).
Hey Appreciate your reply. Thanks

I took a break from the forum (Anabolic Minds). I would drop in now and again and i would see Excelsior mentioned everytime i would read new posts. I didn't want to keep dropping warnings to people and come across like i was just being negative all the time. When i was taking Excelsior i would have praised that powder and never even once mentioned any negatives so i felt like a hypocrite for demonizing the product.

After i had the TIA and just realized that i wasn't invincible. I had a complete wake up call. Just that i was destroying my body all for an energy kick. When i was taking Excelsior i actually knew deep down that it wasn't exactly as labeled. I just used the ignorant card and ignored all the early warning signs.

I know their are genuine companies out their though. I still use a lot of products still i just use brands who are known for quality and open labeled. Like yourself i find it off putting to see companies still putting ingredients in products that aren't listed. Just like with Ds Craze when it was getting so addictive and selling like crazy. The price rocketed. Excelsior is taking the exact same path and currently sits at £71.99 in the UK! Speaks for itself tbh
 

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Hey Appreciate your reply. Thanks

I took a break from the forum (Anabolic Minds). I would drop in now and again and i would see Excelsior mentioned everytime i would read new posts. I didn't want to keep dropping warnings to people and come across like i was just being negative all the time. When i was taking Excelsior i would have praised that powder and never even once mentioned any negatives so i felt like a hypocrite for demonizing the product.

After i had the TIA and just realized that i wasn't invincible. I had a complete wake up call. Just that i was destroying my body all for an energy kick. When i was taking Excelsior i actually knew deep down that it wasn't exactly as labeled. I just used the ignorant card and ignored all the early warning signs.

I know their are genuine companies out their though. I still use a lot of products still i just use brands who are known for quality and open labeled. Like yourself i find it off putting to see companies still putting ingredients in products that aren't listed. Just like with Ds Craze when it was getting so addictive and selling like crazy. The price rocketed. Excelsior is taking the exact same path and currently sits at £71.99 in the UK! Speaks for itself tbh
You mention the price of Excelsior in the U.K. but here in the states it's $49.99 and for me that's expensive
for a preworkout but when you watch different You Tube reviews on it it's amazing how people comment
that they keep buying multiple tubs from different sites hoping to find one that's gonna give them the
stimulant effects of one of their previous tubs :eek: people must have a lot of $$$ to burn to try to find a
tub of Excelsior that doesn't feel like a bunk batch :( to them. Looking at all the new pre's that hit the
market almost daily it seems they all are coming out at $50 or more which is crazy for a bunch of stimulants.
 
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You mention the price of Excelsior in the U.K. but here in the states it's $49.99 and for me that's expensive
for a preworkout but when you watch different You Tube reviews on it it's amazing how people comment
that they keep buying multiple tubs from different sites hoping to find one that's gonna give them the
stimulant effects of one of their previous tubs :eek: people must have a lot of $$$ to burn to try to find a
tub of Excelsior that doesn't feel like a bunk batch :( to them. Looking at all the new pre's that hit the
market almost daily it seems they all are coming out at $50 or more which is crazy for a bunch of stimulants.
That's crazy - buying a bunch of different tubs of anything hoping it will match the results of a previous batch. Again, not talking about any specific product. If there is no consistency from batch to batch, that's a red flag to me right there.

But I've seen a lot of stuff like that too and I agree, 49.99 seems like a high price tag for one. That was another reason I had posted about my personal favorite one being on sale for the low 20's.
 
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That's crazy - buying a bunch of different tubs of anything hoping it will match the results of a previous batch. Again, not talking about any specific product. If there is no consistency from batch to batch, that's a red flag to me right there.

But I've seen a lot of stuff like that too and I agree, 49.99 seems like a high price tag for one. That was another reason I had posted about my personal favorite one being on sale for the low 20's.
To be fair Steve when I take six scoops of Focus XT it does not feel like the very first tub I used 7 years ago............................just saying lol.

In all seriousness I understand people liking the extreme stims but they are a younger mans game. I am not old by any means but at 38 the idea that I am invincible is no more. I like to at least try new items so I can give my opinion of them to customers and I most recently sampled Dark Energy. At a half scoop, weighed on a scale after dividing the total amount in the jar by 30 because the label is not a supplement label and does not list the weight of one serving lol, I can say that a half scoop is plenty for me. Honestly I like the really strong products more for cardio than weights. Lifting already stresses the heart enough without a stim bomb added in, especially when we are talking vasoconstrictive compounds/doses.
 
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To be fair Steve when I take six scoops of Focus XT it does not feel like the very first tub I used 7 years ago............................just saying lol.

In all seriousness I understand people liking the extreme stims but they are a younger mans game. I am not old by any means but at 38 the idea that I am invincible is no more. I like to at least try new items so I can give my opinion of them to customers and I most recently sampled Dark Energy. At a half scoop, weighed on a scale after dividing the total amount in the jar by 30 because the label is not a supplement label and does not list the weight of one serving lol, I can say that a half scoop is plenty for me. Honestly I like the really strong products more for cardio than weights. Lifting already stresses the heart enough without a stim bomb added in, especially when we are talking vasoconstrictive compounds/doses.
That's because Focus XT's formula ISN'T the same as it was 7 years ago lol. And the difference is that we make that clear on the label haha. But being that it's a one scoop dose, if you're taking 6 scoops, we have a whole different issue we need to be discussing ;)

In all seriousness about Focus XT, the newer formula is a lot better than the original although the original was the best for its time period.

I can definitely understand people liking extreme stims; I have no issue with that at all. I just think that they have the right to know what they are actually taking. If I'm not mistaken, at least Dark Energy lists on the actual label what's in there.
 
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I can definitely understand people liking extreme stims; I have no issue with that at all. I just think that they have the right to know what they are actually taking. If I'm not mistaken, at least Dark Energy lists on the actual label what's in there.
All of these extreme Stim companies turn out to be a flash in the pan. I’ve rarely seen them parlay it into a sustainable business model.
 
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All of these extreme Stim companies turn out to be a flash in the pan. I’ve rarely seen them parlay it into a sustainable business model.
I agree. The industry has a few examples of companies starting out doing something like that and not getting caught and parlaying the money into making themselves a legit company. But more times than not, its either someone in the industry's side thing or a get in and get money and get out thing. Sadly, its the legit companies that suffer from it in terms of hurt sales and the FDA (and some mainstream consumers) viewing the industry so negatively because of it.
 
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When I reply to posts, I respond in the sense of to anyone reading. I was just pointing out to anyone that doesn’t know that there’s a difference between Alpha Yohimbine and regular Yohimbine. And individual response can certainly vary. Me and you are great examples - you can’t tolerate either where I can tolerate alpha Yohimbine but not regular. But there are some people that love both.

SNS makes Alpha Yohimbine capsules and Yohimbine HCl capsules and both sell well for us. So there’s definitely people out there that love them both. I forgot which famous fitness coach it is, but there’s one that recommends Yohimbine to all his clients.

Another issue is that Alpha Yohimbine is a raw material that you need to test every batch of to make sure it’s Alpha Yohimbine and not regular bc there’s a huge price difference and there’s been quite a few known instances of companies trying to pass off regular as alpha.

I’m not sure if you remember or saw it but several years ago we sent out samples of Alpha Yohimbine to quite a few forum members that said they couldn’t take Alpha Yohimbine and they were able to tolerate ours fine. It’s not that there is anything unique about ours other than it is actual Alpha Yohimbine.

I hope all that makes sense.
i appreciate that response. and, you make a good point about the raws not actually being Alpha Y. i haven’t tried your product, but the others i’ve tried, I can tell immediately there is Y in it.
 
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i appreciate that response. and, you make a good point about the raws not actually being Alpha Y. i haven’t tried your product, but the others i’ve tried, I can tell immediately there is Y in it.
Thank you. I appreciate yours as well.

I am so sensitive to regular Yohimbine I can definitely tell if there is regular Yohimbine in it. I actually thought I couldn't take Alpha Yohimbine myself until ours. That's not knocking anyone else's. Again, nothing special about ours other than we test it to make sure its Alpha Yohimbine rather than regular Yohimbine.

I won't take anything with regular Yohimbine in it because even low doses make me feel like I have the flu. But I can take our Alpha Yohimbine capsules just fine and can use Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore fine (which I tried bc I know that the source of the Alpha Y raw materials is the same as ours).

Pm coming your way.
 

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You mention the price of Excelsior in the U.K. but here in the states it's $49.99 and for me that's expensive
for a preworkout but when you watch different You Tube reviews on it it's amazing how people comment
that they keep buying multiple tubs from different sites hoping to find one that's gonna give them the
stimulant effects of one of their previous tubs :eek: people must have a lot of $$$ to burn to try to find a
tub of Excelsior that doesn't feel like a bunk batch :( to them. Looking at all the new pre's that hit the
market almost daily it seems they all are coming out at $50 or more which is crazy for a bunch of stimulants.
I’ll probably try a tub to see what the fuss is about. But to keep buying it in hopes of getting a good one is dumb. Why not just buy some illegal stims of the street at that point. Lol. They will more then likely work and you have a better idea of what your putting I to your body.
 
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That's because Focus XT's formula ISN'T the same as it was 7 years ago lol. And the difference is that we make that clear on the label haha. But being that it's a one scoop dose, if you're taking 6 scoops, we have a whole different issue we need to be discussing ;)

In all seriousness about Focus XT, the newer formula is a lot better than the original although the original was the best for its time period.

I can definitely understand people liking extreme stims; I have no issue with that at all. I just think that they have the right to know what they are actually taking. If I'm not mistaken, at least Dark Energy lists on the actual label what's in there.
It was a poor attempt at a joke trying to call into question batch to batch consistency of SNS, WHICH IS SPOT ON IN REALITY FOLKS. Really hard sometimes with straight text to get my sense of humor across, heck in person it's still an acquired taste lol.

Dark Energy makes me laugh a little with their label stating the powder is an RC and not for human consumption and they of course we went ahead and saved all you researchers a step in the lab by flavoring the research compound for you lol.

One-half scoop had my appetite down for the entire day and made it hard to fall asleep almost 20 hours later lol. Going to be saving it for my next diet.
 

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Wish I had more self control because Dark Energy was one of the worst pre workouts I've ever bought tried it twice and I can't remember the last time I've been that spaced out. Actually fell asleep sitting up on the couch wife woke me up felt like crap the rest of the day. Excelsior and og craze take first place. But DVST8 is currently second.
 

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