What's the strongest pre workout product?

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Just curious what the strongest pre workout product you can get is?
 

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Dark energy is definitely the strongest. To much in my opinion. It's like amphetamine. Excelsior was strongest but supposedly they changed ingredients and it's not strong anymore.
 
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Dark energy is definitely the strongest. To much in my opinion. It's like amphetamine. Excelsior was strongest but supposedly they changed ingredients and it's not strong anymore.
1 scoop of dark energy feels just right stim wise for me. Presently mixing 300mg of AMP combined with a scoop of Juice Daddy is the strongest present stim wise I've used.
 

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I'm going to give dark energy a try, I've tried all the more common ones like c4 ultimate, hyde, kaged, etc. But I was looking to try the more exotic ones like dark energy.
 
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I'm going to give dark energy a try, I've tried all the more common ones like c4 ultimate, hyde, kaged, etc. But I was looking to try the more exotic ones like dark energy.
Get Excelsior. Stim wise, supposed to be strongest.
 

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Get Excelsior. Stim wise, supposed to be strongest.
Yeah, i already ordered a tub of d.e., maybe try exelsior or assassin or edge of insanity next.
 

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No, but check out fitness deal news on YouTube. He reviews all the Pres
I've been watching that guy for a while, do you think his reviews are 100% unbiased, honest question. Anyway, that's why I came here because I wanted unbiased opinions, and on bodybuilding they only talk about the products sold on bodybuilding so it's hard to get good answers there too. I figured I'd start a thread here and so far I like the answers I'm getting.
 
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I've been watching that guy for a while, do you think his reviews are 100% unbiased, honest question. Anyway, that's why I came here because I wanted unbiased opinions, and on bodybuilding they only talk about the products sold on bodybuilding so it's hard to get good answers there too. I figured I'd start a thread here and so far I like the answers I'm getting.
He’s more neutral than a lot of reviewers but you can tell he is sponsored through his website and the products he promotes. I like him and his reviews are funny.


Strongest will be excelsior and I wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole again. Not a fan of “strongest” pres anymore but I will like the occasional moderately dosed dmha pre or a clean high stim like seismic surge.
 
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Agreed with the above. Seismic Surge is going to be hard to beat in my opinion. A lot of logs on here to back up it's strength as well.
 
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I'm going to give dark energy a try, I've tried all the more common ones like c4 ultimate, hyde, kaged, etc. But I was looking to try the more exotic ones like dark energy.
Start with under a half scoop, just my suggestion. DE is leagues above those pres you’ve tried...I’m using DE once a week maybe twice, such as Monday/Friday...and I’ve taken weeks off it too...I’m doing just over half a scoop with 1 ephedrine. It does take 45min to an hour to kick in...so it’s certainly unique in that way.
 

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Yeah, i already ordered a tub of d.e., maybe try exelsior or assassin or edge of insanity next.
Let us know how you like Dark Energy and as others mentioned don't overdo it and just use it
like once a week cause I've heard tolerance build up is quick. I saw you mentioned Edge Of Insanity
don't waste your $ cause that profile is nothing but caffeine and alpha y and that co. has reformulated
their pre's like 4x in the past 2yrs. Their original I heard was the best and if you want a alpha y PW then
look for N-Tel Nutra Slime that one gets good feedback as their hardest hitting PW but ONLY the Slime
flavor. DVST8 SOU has been getting very good feedback so that maybe also a good option.
 
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Has anyone tried DVST8 of the union yet ?
Yes. DVST8 of the Union blows Dark Energy out of the water energy wise. At 2 scoops, DVST8 is...borderline panic inducing stimulant crazed madness.

Dark Energy is amazing for feeling like a social butterfly with a smile plastered across your face at the gym, lifting higher weights without fatigue, and not having your winky work later with your lady.
 

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Yes. DVST8 of the Union blows Dark Energy out of the water energy wise. At 2 scoops, DVST8 is...borderline panic inducing stimulant crazed madness.

Dark Energy is amazing for feeling like a social butterfly with a smile plastered across your face at the gym, lifting higher weights without fatigue, and not having your winky work later with your lady.
I think I like the sound of borderline panic inducing stimulant crazed madness for my 5 a.m. workouts :D
so I'll keep an eye out for a decent sale on DVST8 SOU. I am seeing Dark Energy around for $36 so it has
come down in price from $49.99 when it was first released.
 

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Just did DA for the first time, hard to tell how good it was because today was my cardio day and I'm good at cardio, plus last night was a cheat night, so I was plenty fueled. Anyway I jogged for 120 minutes, so I guess that was a success lol. But I will update later in the week because during the week is where things get hard, I will be on low carb for the next six days, and I will be doing heavy weight lifting in the afternoons after working my full time job, so that's when it will be put to the test.
 

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Just did DA for the first time, hard to tell how good it was because today was my cardio day and I'm good at cardio, plus last night was a cheat night, so I was plenty fueled. Anyway I jogged for 120 minutes, so I guess that was a success lol. But I will update later in the week because during the week is where things get hard, I will be on low carb for the next six days, and I will be doing heavy weight lifting in the afternoons after working my full time job, so that's when it will be put to the test.
What's DA?
 

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Sorry I meant DE for Dark Energy.
Oh OK ;) but honestly with a PW like DE you want to waste it on a cardio day cause others have mentioned
tolerance build up is fast on this one so save it for the BIG weight training days where it can be put to good
use to help you move some big weight.
 
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Dark energy is definitely the strongest. To much in my opinion. It's like amphetamine. Excelsior was strongest but supposedly they changed ingredients and it's not strong anymore.
I was going to say exactly this. Watch fitness news deals on YT and he reviews all the preworkouts, fat burners and a lot of other stuff. Great channel.

 

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Just did DA for the first time, hard to tell how good it was because today was my cardio day and I'm good at cardio, plus last night was a cheat night, so I was plenty fueled. Anyway I jogged for 120 minutes, so I guess that was a success lol. But I will update later in the week because during the week is where things get hard, I will be on low carb for the next six days, and I will be doing heavy weight lifting in the afternoons after working my full time job, so that's when it will be put to the test.
How's the DE?
 

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I wouldn't say Excelsior is the strongest I had, but 3 hours later, I still have energy.
 
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I'm surprised to not see any love for BuckedUp. WokeAF and BAMF are excellent products - pricey but its all I've been using the past year.
 
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I'm surprised to not see any love for BuckedUp. WokeAF and BAMF are excellent products - pricey but its all I've been using the past year.
Gonna have to try them. Which do you prefer? We got them in at strong a few months back. Heard good things.
 
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Gonna have to try them. Which do you prefer? We got them in at strong a few months back. Heard good things.
I prefer wokeAF. The differences between that and BAMF aren't huge. Seems like I get a little more energy from WOKE and don't really notice the nootropic effects of the BAMF that much beyond what WOKE delivers.
 
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Loving the newly released Mesomorph (what, V4?) Has dmha and geranium extract...
 
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Just a warning on the Imperial Labs stuff... I’ve used 2.5bottles of thermal spark and 1/3 tub of excelsior from spring 2020 til start of December 2020 and even at prn use ~3x/week, it pushed my tolerance for stims sky high. Since dc’ing use of imperial labs stuff in December until now mid January I’ve tried other heavy stims that I enjoy prn for long events or overnight jobs, and I’m not feeling OG dmaa (Original E-pharm AMP from ‘08/09), OG amp citrate (lecheek ampitropin and others), or any of the dmha & other stim products I’ve got leftover. Out of curiosity I tried some old gaspari detonate and could feel it, but it wasn’t euphoric like detonate & craze are/were. Bizarre cross-tolerance boost may not hit affect everyone like this, who knows. I agree with other opinions I’ve read on AM that there must be an amphetamine analogue or research drug in the stuff. It may be long lasting but I’m afraid the wash out period for whatever is in this is quite extended also.
 
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Just a warning on the Imperial Labs stuff... I’ve used 2.5bottles of thermal spark and 1/3 tub of excelsior from spring 2020 til start of December 2020 and even at prn use ~3x/week, it pushed my tolerance for stims sky high. Since dc’ing use of imperial labs stuff in December until now mid January I’ve tried other heavy stims that I enjoy prn for long events or overnight jobs, and I’m not feeling OG dmaa (Original E-pharm AMP from ‘08/09), OG amp citrate (lecheek ampitropin and others), or any of the dmha & other stim products I’ve got leftover. Out of curiosity I tried some old gaspari detonate and could feel it, but it wasn’t euphoric like detonate & craze are/were. Bizarre cross-tolerance boost may not hit affect everyone like this, who knows. I agree with other opinions I’ve read on AM that there must be an amphetamine analogue or research drug in the stuff. It may be long lasting but I’m afraid the wash out period for whatever is in this is quite extended also.
if i use it more than 1 time a week, i tend to have the same thing happen. caffeine has much less of an effect.

also, it makes me very social. i’m not a social person. i bought a few tubs and bottles. going to only use it for specific social events.
 

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I'm surprised to not see any love for BuckedUp. WokeAF and BAMF are excellent products - pricey but its all I've been using the past year.
For $45-$48 a tub it's definitely not worth it and they say Warning HIGH Stimulant on the tub
and I'm wondering where are the high stimulants.:confused: Much better options out there
especially for that price point Merica Labs A BOMB or Condemned Labz Convict look better.:)
 
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My current go to is 25 mg of sildenafil along with 0.4 ml of Pyro from Amino Asylum (albuterol + yohimbine). Way more effective at boosting energy, driving pumps and aiding in fat burning than any fruity pebbles flavored pre workout drink.
 
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For $45-$48 a tub it's definitely not worth it and they say Warning HIGH Stimulant on the tub
and I'm wondering where are the high stimulants.:confused: Much better options out there
especially for that price point Merica Labs A BOMB or Condemned Labz Convict look better.:)
i have a little hookup so I get a little better price. If he fell through, I might keep buying. Just switched back to another brand and can’t wait to finish
 

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How's the DE?
I like it so far, taste is good, skittles, energy is good, nothing overwhelming. Definitely satisfied. Not sure which one I will try next yet.
 

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Dark Energy does absolutely nothing for me. Even at 1 and 1/4 scoops.
 

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Yah to me at feels like just your average stim pre it’s not bad I do enjoy it
Not my favorite it is strong but more of a cracked out feeling for me at 2 scoops. It also gives me the cold sweats. 1.75 scoops is a better experience for me. Overall I was disappointed with it.
 
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Damn, if a 2 scooper of DVS8T felt average...wow.

I had mini panic attacks on the way to the gym from 2 scoops of that stuff lol.
Yah my caffeine stim tolarance is awfull I need a detox from it .... on the other hand dark energy is great except for the meth comedown it gives me
 
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I am not a fan of DMAA and DMHA because one doesn't work for me and the other makes me crash so bad. So my opinions always reflect my thoughts on things without those in it.

Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore is as strong of a pre-workout as I would ever want to use. Its out of stock at the moment direct on their site, but DPS has it at a crazy good price of like 24 ea. after their coupon. For me, it feels like Re1gn did but without the crash.
 
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I am not a fan of DMAA and DMHA because one doesn't work for me and the other makes me crash so bad. So my opinions always reflect my thoughts on things without those in it.

Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore is as strong of a pre-workout as I would ever want to use. Its out of stock at the moment direct on their site, but DPS has it at a crazy good price of like 24 ea. after their coupon. For me, it feels like Re1gn did but without the crash.
Re1gn was bad times for me, with the Y side effects.
 

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He’s more neutral than a lot of reviewers but you can tell he is sponsored through his website and the products he promotes. I like him and his reviews are funny.


Strongest will be excelsior and I wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole again. Not a fan of “strongest” pres anymore but I will like the occasional moderately dosed dmha pre or a clean high stim like seismic surge.
You get bad sides from Excelsior? Personally i get way worse sides from DMAA. gives me total useless crash. Havent used much DMHA although Gold start Triple X old version was okay
Well a guy promoting that many products and giving coupons gotta be getting % of what the shop sells although he says he is unbiased.
I enjoyed older Excelsior tubs 10/22 and then I got 2 bad weaker and not same focus and mood tubs exp 8/23 However my third tub exp 8/23 was similar to the good 10/22 tubs.
Buy yes if he were to give totally unbiased reviews like how having a PWO pretty much everyday is not gonna make your tummy happy nor your nervoussystem happy even though you rotate and neither is wallet gonna be happy buying all those lol
And any yohimbe in morethan minor amounts is no no for me
 

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