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Safed Musli aka Chlorophytum Borivilianum 50% saponins is amazing for libido
I think that might already be in their Growth Factor XT product (which I'm thinking about ordering since I sleep like crap...which definitely affects libido).
 
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I think that might already be in their Growth Factor XT product (which I'm thinking about ordering since I sleep like crap...which definitely affects libido).
Growth Factor XT is great for improving sleep quality and many people do notice improved libido with it. I think GFXT is one of the most underrated products in our lineup. Another cool thing about it that many people report is very vivid dreams.
 

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Thank you for the suggestion. We use a great dose of that in our Growth Factor XT product. Would be open to including it in something like that.

A few ingredients that come to mind:
Fadogia (libido)
VASO6 (erection quality)
Cnidium (w/ high osthole content) (Libido/Erection quality)
Tribulus (libido)
Maca (libido)
Horny Goat weed (libido)
Panax Ginseng (libido)
Eurycoma Longifolia (libido)
DHEA (Libido)
Enostim (Erection quality)
Maca, ginseng, and mucuna are ones that came to mind for me, specifically to avoid overlap with a lot of test boosters. Something to take on the side to boost your booster, or something.
 

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Growth Factor XT is great for improving sleep quality and many people do notice improved libido with it. I think GFXT is one of the most underrated products in our lineup. Another cool thing about it that many people report is very vivid dreams.
Just waiting for the stress and anxiety support product to drop so I can order both at the same time. :)
 
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I had never heard of that one. I looked it up and no disrespect to the company intended, but I don't see how that product does anything.

In efforts of trying to get a conversation going on this, I'll throw out some ingredients that seem to be popular or well researched for blood pressure control:

Mega Natural BP
Amealpeptide
Hawthorn
Celery Seed
Magnesium

^^^ are just a few that I can think of right off the bat.
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Growth Factor XT is great for improving sleep quality and many people do notice improved libido with it. I think GFXT is one of the most underrated products in our lineup. Another cool thing about it that many people report is very vivid dreams.
Great product but wish it didn't have b6 in it. I have read pyridoxine (b6)
will reduce the effectiveness of ldopa via the blood brain barrier and other possible interactions.


 
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I would have to look into that if you mean for BP support. If you have any links or data, feel free to share or pm me if you'd rather.
 
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Great product but wish it didn't have b6 in it. I have read pyridoxine (b6)
will reduce the effectiveness of ldopa in the brain and possible interactions.


Vitamin B6 is necessary for dozens of different chemical reactions and functions in the body. Growth Factor XT is designed to help improve improve sleep quality and recovery and also helps with sex drive, vivid dreams, prolactin control, and more. B6 has been clinically shown to help with the great majority of things that GFXT is designed to do.

A quick look at the link you posted appears that it isn't so much referring to your body's natural L-Dopa or even supplemental L-Dopa; the way I'm reading that is saying that it may interfere with prescription medication and prescription levodopa is most commonly prescribed for Parkinson's. Replying at almost 1am my time so can look into this more later as well.
 

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Vitamin B6 is necessary for dozens of different chemical reactions and functions in the body. Growth Factor XT is designed to help improve improve sleep quality and recovery and also helps with sex drive, vivid dreams, prolactin control, and more. B6 has been clinically shown to help with the great majority of things that GFXT is designed to do.

A quick look at the link you posted appears that it isn't so much referring to your body's natural L-Dopa or even supplemental L-Dopa; the way I'm reading that is saying that it may interfere with prescription medication and prescription levodopa is most commonly prescribed for Parkinson's. Replying at almost 1am my time so can look into this more later as well.
I haven’t read his links yet, but I believe the primary issue is supposed to be that vitamin B6 will increase the conversion of L-Dopa into dopamine. If you dose B6 alongside, you could potentially increase conversion peripherally instead of specifically in the brain. I have no clue how big of an issue this is or if it even is an issue. Is dopamine problematic when outside of the brain? No idea. I wouldn’t think so.
 

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I haven’t read his links yet, but I believe the primary issue is supposed to be that vitamin B6 will increase the conversion of L-Dopa into dopamine. If you dose B6 alongside, you could potentially increase conversion peripherally instead of specifically in the brain. I have no clue how big of an issue this is or if it even is an issue. Is dopamine problematic when outside of the brain? No idea. I wouldn’t think so.
Cooper discussed this issue at length back in the day. I’ll try and find the threads
 

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I haven’t read his links yet, but I believe the primary issue is supposed to be that vitamin B6 will increase the conversion of L-Dopa into dopamine. If you dose B6 alongside, you could potentially increase conversion peripherally instead of specifically in the brain. I have no clue how big of an issue this is or if it even is an issue. Is dopamine problematic when outside of the brain? No idea. I wouldn’t think so.
Here's a post by @Jiigzz (on another forum) more than 5 years ago:

WRT P5P and L-Dopa

Dissociation of growth hormone and prolactin response to levodopa during pyridoxine administration.

AuthorsDelitala G, et al. Show all Journal
Biomedicine. 1977 Jul;27(6):219-22.

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500 mg of levodopa was administered orally to 8 normal subjects and induced an increase of growth hormone (GH) and a decrease of prolactin (PRL) secretion. The levodopa-induced GH release was inhibited by an intravenous infusion of pyridoxine; on the contrary, the PRL response to levodopa was enhanced by pyridoxine infusion. This dissociation of GH and PRL responses to levodopa during pyridoxine infusion appears to be mediated by peripheral acceleration of the conversion of levodopa to dopamine. Since dopamine does not penetrate the blood-brain barrier, the enhanced PRL decrease observed during pyridoxine infusion might be explained only on the basis of a mechanism of action exerted by dopamine on extra blood-brain barrier sites.

L-Dopa + B6 = Less GH increase
L-Dopa + B6 = Greater Prolactin decrease.
 
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[QUOTE="sns8778, post: 6244555, I'm thinking more of something that could be used daily to help with libido and erection quality.
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L-Citrulline + Pine Wood extract
 

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Here's a post by @Jiigzz (on another forum) more than 5 years ago:

WRT P5P and L-Dopa

Dissociation of growth hormone and prolactin response to levodopa during pyridoxine administration.

AuthorsDelitala G, et al. Show all Journal
Biomedicine. 1977 Jul;27(6):219-22.

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500 mg of levodopa was administered orally to 8 normal subjects and induced an increase of growth hormone (GH) and a decrease of prolactin (PRL) secretion. The levodopa-induced GH release was inhibited by an intravenous infusion of pyridoxine; on the contrary, the PRL response to levodopa was enhanced by pyridoxine infusion. This dissociation of GH and PRL responses to levodopa during pyridoxine infusion appears to be mediated by peripheral acceleration of the conversion of levodopa to dopamine. Since dopamine does not penetrate the blood-brain barrier, the enhanced PRL decrease observed during pyridoxine infusion might be explained only on the basis of a mechanism of action exerted by dopamine on extra blood-brain barrier sites.

L-Dopa + B6 = Less GH increase
L-Dopa + B6 = Greater Prolactin decrease.
Good find
 
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There has also been research on B6 poteniating GH increase. I think this is one of those things where we could probably find studies going back and forth on whatever point we wanted to find and would just be debating the on paper science and it may not even matter in reality haha.
 
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[QUOTE="sns8778, post: 6244555, I'm thinking more of something that could be used daily to help with libido and erection quality.
L-Citrulline + Pine Wood extract
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L-Citrulline dosage wise is hard to put in capsule form because it requires such a high dosage. And some of the proposed ingredients taste like a mix between dirt and asphalt so this product would definitely be better for capsule form haha.
 
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Here's a post by @Jiigzz (on another forum) more than 5 years ago:

WRT P5P and L-Dopa

Dissociation of growth hormone and prolactin response to levodopa during pyridoxine administration.

AuthorsDelitala G, et al. Show all Journal
Biomedicine. 1977 Jul;27(6):219-22.

Affiliation
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500 mg of levodopa was administered orally to 8 normal subjects and induced an increase of growth hormone (GH) and a decrease of prolactin (PRL) secretion. The levodopa-induced GH release was inhibited by an intravenous infusion of pyridoxine; on the contrary, the PRL response to levodopa was enhanced by pyridoxine infusion. This dissociation of GH and PRL responses to levodopa during pyridoxine infusion appears to be mediated by peripheral acceleration of the conversion of levodopa to dopamine. Since dopamine does not penetrate the blood-brain barrier, the enhanced PRL decrease observed during pyridoxine infusion might be explained only on the basis of a mechanism of action exerted by dopamine on extra blood-brain barrier sites.

L-Dopa + B6 = Less GH increase
L-Dopa + B6 = Greater Prolactin decrease.
Thanks so much for this!
 
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On top of asking for Prostate Health and Blood Pressure support product suggestions, another idea I'd like to throw out - would anyone be interested in a product for libido and improved performance? (non-spiked of course). I'm not talking about something like the spiked sex pills, I'm thinking more of something that could be used daily to help with libido and erection quality.
As in an acute effect product or more of a daily dose type?
 
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As in an acute effect product or more of a daily dose type?
Thinking both ways. Definitely like the idea of of a daily use product to help with libido and erection quality - kind of a be more ready anytime, any place type thing - plus, what difference does it make if you can get it hard better but aren't in the mood to do anything with it?

But it would be cool if it could be made in a way that it could still have an effect for people that chose to use it daily at a higher dose. That could probably be done for the erection quality part, but the improving libido part something would have to be taken regularly for that.
 
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On top of asking for Prostate Health and Blood Pressure support product suggestions, another idea I'd like to throw out - would anyone be interested in a product for libido and improved performance? (non-spiked of course). I'm not talking about something like the spiked sex pills, I'm thinking more of something that could be used daily to help with libido and erection quality.
going to be hard to come up with effective ingredients that aren't already saturated in products...but let me be the 1st to say that if you put out this kind of product I will definitely buy one to try!!!
 
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@sns8778 a bit off topic but the 25% coupon expires tonight correct?
It expired on the 23rd but since you asked nicely, I just had it updated to extend thru the 30th :)

Hopefully everyone will let others know.
 
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L-Citrulline dosage wise is hard to put in capsule form because it requires such a high dosage. And some of the proposed ingredients taste like a mix between dirt and asphalt so this product would definitely be better for capsule form haha.

I'd assume anything that effects NO would work in place of, and likely better than L-Arganine.
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The best thing I've ever used that I've noticed a big different in terms of erection quality is using VASO6 on a daily basis.

The data on Enostim looks good and I just got in a sample to try on that.

I wish I could find Cnidium available as a single ingredient w a high Osthole content so I could try it solo but I haven't been able to find it from a brand I trust as a single ingredient that I believe is really paying the premium price for the real high osthole content.
 
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I'd assume anything that effects NO would work in place of, and likely better than L-Arganine.
The best thing I've ever used that I've noticed a big different in terms of erection quality is using VASO6 on a daily basis.

The data on Enostim looks good and I just got in a sample to try on that.

I wish I could find Cnidium available as a single ingredient w a high Osthole content so I could try it solo but I haven't been able to find it from a brand I trust as a single ingredient that I believe is really paying the premium price for the real high osthole content.
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lg science had psarm osthol 90%...it was high osthole but with a problem-the majority of people who used at recommended dose got bad stomach issues. I liked it myself, but they couldn't sell it because of those issues.....but you are a smart guy-maybe find a way to buffer it?
 
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going to be hard to come up with effective ingredients that aren't already saturated in products...but let me be the 1st to say that if you put out this kind of product I will definitely buy one to try!!!
I'm not worried about if they are or aren't in other products. I want to come up with an effective one that works and isn't spiked.
 
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lg science had psarm...it was high osthole but with a problem-the majority of people who used at recommended dose got bad stomach issues. I liked it myself, but they couldn't sell it because of those issues.....but you are a smart guy-maybe find a way to buffer it?
I've never had stomach issues with Cnidium at high osthole content but I've never used it solo. I just wanted to try it solo to see if the effects that people attribute to it really are from that or something else.
 
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I've never had stomach issues with Cnidium at high osthole content but I've never used it solo. I just wanted to try it solo to see if the effects that people attribute to it really are from that or something else.
yeah, I agree I never had issues either....it probably was a different ingredient, just wanted to give you a headsup about psarm.
 
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It expired on the 23rd but since you asked nicely, I just had it updated to extend thru the 30th :)

Hopefully everyone will let others know.
Hell yeah appreciate it! Don’t know why I was thinking the 26th but about to order some focus xt. So tempted to get lean edge but doubt I’ll be cutting again any time soon, wish it was out a few months ago haha
 
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It expired on the 23rd but since you asked nicely, I just had it updated to extend thru the 30th :)

Hopefully everyone will let others know.
Hell yeah appreciate it! Don’t know why I was thinking the 26th but about to order some focus xt. So tempted to get lean edge but doubt I’ll be cutting again any time soon, wish it was out a few months ago haha
 
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Thank you for the suggestion. We use a great dose of that in our Growth Factor XT product. Would be open to including it in something like that.

A few ingredients that come to mind:
Fadogia (libido)
VASO6 (erection quality)
Cnidium (w/ high osthole content) (Libido/Erection quality)
Tribulus (libido)
Maca (libido)
Horny Goat weed (libido)
Panax Ginseng (libido)
Eurycoma Longifolia (libido)
DHEA (Libido)
Enostim (Erection quality)
I would love to see a Daily Testosterone Support formula made by SNS that would not particularly have to be cycled as M-Test does.

For this particular purpose, I love the list of ingredients above with the exception of:

Fadogia (better cycled)
DHEA (deterrent for some people)
VASO-6 (cost limiting?)
Maca (let’s just say Black Maca instead!)


In addition to the other ingredients you stated above, we need this!

Fully dosed Vitamin D3 & K2
FruiteX-B (calcium fructoborate)
Optimal forms of Zinc, Magnesium, and P-5-P
(These are just essentials-yet hard to find in one formula)

Other ingredients to consider as well:

ALCAR
KSM-66 or Sensoril
Phosphatidylserine
Black Maca
CistaMax
Cuscuta Chinensis
Astragalus Membranaceus
Schisandra Chinensis
Mucuna
Bio-Curcumin
Naringin
 
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On the above note, I would love a good d3+k2 (mk7) stand-alone product as well. Have yet to see one from a company I trust and buying them separate is costly
 
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On the above note, I would love a good d3+k2 (mk7) stand-alone product as well. Have yet to see one from a company I trust and buying them separate is costly
Don’t want to derail (and this is a good suggestion), but I see tons of companies with this, some with quality reps so PM me if you do need help finding.
 

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Not convinced on mk7. Mk4 is we’re the real benefits are but hard to get and expensive to dose.
 
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Not convinced on mk7. Mk4 is we’re the real benefits are but hard to get and expensive to dose.
I’m not sure this is true. I see mk4 in quite a few products and it doesn’t seem super expensive...

You could always just play it safe and get both as plenty of products combine both forms. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Personally id love if horny goat weed was to be left out of the libido product. I cant try/use 90% of the libido products out there because of its inclusion. It must be popular for a reason though, or maybe its just one of those things that is just kind of thought to work since its in every product?
 
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It expired on the 23rd but since you asked nicely, I just had it updated to extend thru the 30th :)

Hopefully everyone will let others know.
How did I miss this? Your about to have some money coming your way.

What is the promo code?
 
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Hell yeah appreciate it! Don’t know why I was thinking the 26th but about to order some focus xt. So tempted to get lean edge but doubt I’ll be cutting again any time soon, wish it was out a few months ago haha
Realistically its even useful in a bulk or maintenance just to help with staying lean... and with it being non stim its not like you have to worry about overdoing it in that regard or interactions
 
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I would love to see a Daily Testosterone Support formula made by SNS that would not particularly have to be cycled as M-Test does.

Deleting some of the quoted message for space constraints but wanted to reply to all of your points.

We are looking at doing a test booster under SNS. They key will be making it different enough from M-Test but still being effective. I strongly believe that M-Test is the best natural test booster on the market by far.

The formula I was referencing about Libido was meant to be more for Libido/Erection Quality so just to clarify - we are looking at doing a daily use test booster and would be also open to doing a libido product.

Few notes:
DHEA - great for libido product; wouldn't put it in test booster bc I think people can always use separately and adjust dosage as needed.
VASO6 - great for erection quality in my opinion but it is expensive.
D3 & K2 - I was considering those as a separate supplement.
FruiteX-B - I'm not a fan of this like most people honestly. I'd consider it.
KSM-66 - good for test booster formula; don't think it would fit in the libido one.
Phosphatidylserine - I think it would add a lot to cost without adding benefit to a product like this. It's a good ingredient but I've never seen an effect on libido when taking it and don't think it would do much in the way of increasing test imo.
Bio-Curcumin - we are looking at doing a Curcumin product (but it will not have Bio-Curcumin in it bc I think there are better types out there)
Schizandra - I like at high doses but that creates capsule space issues.

Thank you for your input. Some of the other ingredients I'll look more into. For a daily use test booster, I think that PrimaVie is one of the best and most underrated ingredients out there. It's the tried and true ingredient that people forget about because its not new and fancy, but for me, I'll take results over hype or intrigue.
 
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Personally id love if horny goat weed was to be left out of the libido product. I cant try/use 90% of the libido products out there because of its inclusion. It must be popular for a reason though, or maybe its just one of those things that is just kind of thought to work since its in every product?
Curious as to why you can't use it?

If the Icariin content is high, it works really well. But it can be pricey for a good extract so many companies just throw it in for name value.
 
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Deleting some of the quoted message for space constraints but wanted to reply to all of your points.

We are looking at doing a test booster under SNS. They key will be making it different enough from M-Test but still being effective. I strongly believe that M-Test is the best natural test booster on the market by far.

The formula I was referencing about Libido was meant to be more for Libido/Erection Quality so just to clarify - we are looking at doing a daily use test booster and would be also open to doing a libido product.

Few notes:
DHEA - great for libido product; wouldn't put it in test booster bc I think people can always use separately and adjust dosage as needed.
VASO6 - great for erection quality in my opinion but it is expensive.
D3 & K2 - I was considering those as a separate supplement.
FruiteX-B - I'm not a fan of this like most people honestly. I'd consider it.
KSM-66 - good for test booster formula; don't think it would fit in the libido one.
Phosphatidylserine - I think it would add a lot to cost without adding benefit to a product like this. It's a good ingredient but I've never seen an effect on libido when taking it and don't think it would do much in the way of increasing test imo.
Bio-Curcumin - we are looking at doing a Curcumin product (but it will not have Bio-Curcumin in it bc I think there are better types out there)
Schizandra - I like at high doses but that creates capsule space issues.

Thank you for your input. Some of the other ingredients I'll look more into. For a daily use test booster, I think that PrimaVie is one of the best and most underrated ingredients out there. It's the tried and true ingredient that people forget about because its not new and fancy, but for me, I'll take results over hype or intrigue.
Always down for more Primavie.
 

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I’m not sure this is true. I see mk4 in quite a few products and it doesn’t seem super expensive...

You could always just play it safe and get both as plenty of products combine both forms. 🤷‍♂️
In the states maybe but not here. The dosage used should be in mg for real benefits. Studies showing 15mg+ per day. Most products would work out expensive at that dose. I believe transdermal k2 and d3 are better than oral too. The improvement to my teeth using mk4 at 15mg a day has been incredible.
 
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In the states maybe but not here. The dosage used should be in mg for real benefits. Studies showing 15mg+ per day. Most products would work out expensive at that dose. I believe transdermal k2 and d3 are better than oral too. The improvement to my teeth using mk4 at 15mg a day has been incredible.
Noted! I had seen anecdotally people seemed to like it better for teeth. Didn’t realize the dose though.
 

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There have been multiple discussions going in different threads about the types of products that people would like to see from us as well as things that people would like to see us offer as single ingredients so I wanted to create a thread because we're very open to and interested in hearing peoples ideas.

Please feel free to share any idea for formulas, types of formulas, or single ingredient items that you'd like to see from us.

We look forward to hearing your ideas.

Anacyclus Pyrethrum

Fructus Schisandrae

Turkesterone

ipriflavone

Ecdysterone

HICA, HMB, alpha-KIC
 
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Curious as to why you can't use it?

If the Icariin content is high, it works really well. But it can be pricey for a good extract so many companies just throw it in for name value.
Simple - I break out in hives. Haven't tried in years so maybe ill try a different brand again, but i tried two different brands years ago with the same result.
 
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Realistically its even useful in a bulk or maintenance just to help with staying lean... and with it being non stim its not like you have to worry about overdoing it in that regard or interactions
Yep I agree it’s a damn good formula. With my diet though I’d be concerned with having the opposite issue so I’d rather wait and spend the money on Anabolic Effect. Does seem like lean edge will be solid for a recomp though!
 
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Deleting some of the quoted message for space constraints but wanted to reply to all of your points.

We are looking at doing a test booster under SNS. They key will be making it different enough from M-Test but still being effective. I strongly believe that M-Test is the best natural test booster on the market by far.

The formula I was referencing about Libido was meant to be more for Libido/Erection Quality so just to clarify - we are looking at doing a daily use test booster and would be also open to doing a libido product.

Few notes:
DHEA - great for libido product; wouldn't put it in test booster bc I think people can always use separately and adjust dosage as needed.
VASO6 - great for erection quality in my opinion but it is expensive.
D3 & K2 - I was considering those as a separate supplement.
FruiteX-B - I'm not a fan of this like most people honestly. I'd consider it.
KSM-66 - good for test booster formula; don't think it would fit in the libido one.
Phosphatidylserine - I think it would add a lot to cost without adding benefit to a product like this. It's a good ingredient but I've never seen an effect on libido when taking it and don't think it would do much in the way of increasing test imo.
Bio-Curcumin - we are looking at doing a Curcumin product (but it will not have Bio-Curcumin in it bc I think there are better types out there)
Schizandra - I like at high doses but that creates capsule space issues.

Thank you for your input. Some of the other ingredients I'll look more into. For a daily use test booster, I think that PrimaVie is one of the best and most underrated ingredients out there. It's the tried and true ingredient that people forget about because its not new and fancy, but for me, I'll take results over hype or intrigue.
FADOGIA....it is my favorite libido ingredient, and trust me I've tried plenty.

well actually it is 2nd favorite to formestane, but that is a whole different ballgame.


I bet m-test and cel formestane would have been a killer stack for libido!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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