Bigwill21
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I know, its just sooo sad.
Maybe in a couple of years after the FDA/DEA forget about the whole Tren/BOLD/DMT thing....
What products would you like to see us make?
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I know, its just sooo sad.
Maybe in a couple of years after the FDA/DEA forget about the whole Tren/BOLD/DMT thing....
celc5
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That's why so many of us love Hdrol. Mild, low toxicity, easy recovery FTW :head:
CompEdgeLabs
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I wish there was a legal version of that that I knew of. It was one of my all time favorite ph's.
ckozlgod
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x2, would love to see more Sesamin options out there. although the deal for Scivations 180 caps is unreal, it wont last forever. Sesaglow from CL was awesome but a little pricey.
mw1
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I was fond of Sesaglow myself, and was sad to see it D/C
ckozlgod
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This, in combo with AA I think helps as well. AA always leans me out nicely. But 4g's of sesamin is undoubtedly pulling the weight on that issue.
If CEL does make a fat burner (not just a straight sesamin product) please make one yohimbe free. Maybe it's just me but I dont see it as being all too safe when you take into account most thermo's already spike your BP w/insane amounts of caffiene/ginseng, etc..... Leviathan RL was awesome, until I realized it had something like 18mg's of Yohimbe as well. Maybe i'm uber sensitive to it...but that seems awfully high.
I don't ever want my chest to beat that hard again when I run :nono:
CompEdgeLabs
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Thanks for the suggestion, but we wont be doing any ph topicals I doubt.
JBerto
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suncloud
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what about limited time runs of prohormones? that way the FDA would be hard pressed to procure a batch for testing. kinda like having 6 different prohormones around, but doing one month sales of them twice a year, while rotating products?
dunno, just throwing out ideas. after all, the FDA still has to prove that there is an active steroid, which apparently they can't/wont do to superdrol...
dunno, just throwing out ideas. after all, the FDA still has to prove that there is an active steroid, which apparently they can't/wont do to superdrol...
dumbhick3
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This is off-topic, but that superdrol question has boggled me lately. It has spent a lot more time on the radar and the news than "Bold 200" (lol), and it is one of the few remaining, active steroids. Maybe I shouldn't ask, but it seems like there must be a reason why it is still legal given its PR. Perhaps the IOC hasn't detected it yet, so the MLB is still using away and has implicit government endorsement for the moment (lol):439:.
Anyway, my new product idea is just a rehash of what many are already alluding to; a non-stimulant fat burner. BP issues aside, I already take a potent stimulant (d-amphetamine, RX) which doesn't play nicely with other sympathomimetics or even caffeine and thus limits my options (say between bulking cycles). And yet, most fat burners are just 3 different methylxanthine isomers (caffeine A, B, and C), some yohimbine, synephrine, and other nervous pill ingredients. If I want to be that shaky and have an unsound heart rate and BP, I will just take clen or albuterol!
CompEdgeLabs
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I am not sure how having them not methylated would change the effects, and also not sure of the raw availability.
I dont see us doing anything new in the ph category.
And if a company wanted to do it that way, retailers wouldnt cooperate most likely. You cant tell retailers that they cant sell something but a couple months a year.
I know we will be doing a fat loss product, but not sure about a non stim one.
I do know that there should be a product out by another company in a few months that will fit perfectly for what you are looking for though.
The issue there is finding something that is effective, and not illegal.
McBain2
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what about a modified version of ecdysterone like a 17methyl or an "A" ring modification etc.. or maybe a modified version of Salidroside or Resveratrol or some other phyto-estrogen.
Maybe a myco-estrogen like a modified version of Zearalanol would be cool. I cant imagine the FDA banning these because where would they draw the line, molecularly speaking..
one last thing, Capsaicin...has anybody had any experience with this substance? I noticed a few years back, that after eating jalapeno peppers that I would feel like picking op weights and just tearing through a workout... I didnt know if this was due to the Capsaicin or one of it metqabolites. The feeling is not a neuro stimulant feeling, its in my muscles, and in my face..this will sound crazy but it feel very very similar to mild methyl test. not the strength or pump or anything, just the physical feeling of wanting to smash things and flex my muscles really hard. its a trip. and thats from like 3-4 peppers. but they are hot ones, home made jarred jalapenos, not the store bought wuss ones, lol. SO what would the concentrated version do? and Im not necessarily sure that it is the Capsaicin, but there is definitly a feeling from some substance in the pepper...it may also be piperine, but Ive had minor amounts in various supps, this doesnt seem to be it, but maybe i didnt have it in high enough of a dose to really evaluate.. Just throwing this out there to see if anyone else has experienced this.
Maybe a myco-estrogen like a modified version of Zearalanol would be cool. I cant imagine the FDA banning these because where would they draw the line, molecularly speaking..
one last thing, Capsaicin...has anybody had any experience with this substance? I noticed a few years back, that after eating jalapeno peppers that I would feel like picking op weights and just tearing through a workout... I didnt know if this was due to the Capsaicin or one of it metqabolites. The feeling is not a neuro stimulant feeling, its in my muscles, and in my face..this will sound crazy but it feel very very similar to mild methyl test. not the strength or pump or anything, just the physical feeling of wanting to smash things and flex my muscles really hard. its a trip. and thats from like 3-4 peppers. but they are hot ones, home made jarred jalapenos, not the store bought wuss ones, lol. SO what would the concentrated version do? and Im not necessarily sure that it is the Capsaicin, but there is definitly a feeling from some substance in the pepper...it may also be piperine, but Ive had minor amounts in various supps, this doesnt seem to be it, but maybe i didnt have it in high enough of a dose to really evaluate.. Just throwing this out there to see if anyone else has experienced this.
dumbhick3
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You can buy pure capsicum/capsaicin crystals online and at some liquor stores that have a hot sauce aisle. The stuff comes in a crack vile that is suspended inside of a larger glass container and sealed with wax (and costs quite a bit). Needless to say that it makes habaneros seem about as potent/hot as pickles or banana peppers and is borderline-dangerous. You need a mask and gloves and eye protection when playing around with the powder too unless you are a kamikaze.
I imagine that a lot of people would get the fiery $hits from a capsaicin oral compound too, which could make working out hard:smite:.
I have read about some supposed health benefits from oral supplementation with capsicum though (given that you don't have heartburn, an ulcer, etc).
dumbhick3
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If not already covered, how about an agmatine-containing product like MAN Blueprint (for its neurological effects primarily)? Maybe up the agmatine to 2g/serving though instead of 1g and leave out the non-stabilized R-ALA since ppl can just buy that themselves (or you could add K-R-ALA or Na-R-ALA, but the price might start to get crazy).
Something like that Glucophase (sp?) product from Designer Supplements looked interesting too.
Mental well-being + nutrient partitioning = a winning combo
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Something like that Glucophase (sp?) product from Designer Supplements looked interesting too.
Mental well-being + nutrient partitioning = a winning combo
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CompEdgeLabs
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We will have a creatine based product shortly.
I doubt you will see us do anymore ph's.
If not already covered, how about an agmatine-containing product like MAN Blueprint (for its neurological effects primarily)? Maybe up the agmatine to 2g/serving though instead of 1g and leave out the non-stabilized R-ALA since ppl can just buy that themselves (or you could add K-R-ALA or Na-R-ALA, but the price might start to get crazy).
Something like that Glucophase (sp?) product from Designer Supplements looked interesting too.
Mental well-being + nutrient partitioning = a winning combo
Agmatine at 2 grams per day would be very pricey. I do know there is a company coming out with a straight agmatine product, so that should cover that pretty nicely.
mw1
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Perhaps you could elaborate more for inquiring minds
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celc5
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Inquiring minds are always welcome to give creative input
I really cant say much until we get the flavor samples approved because if cant get it flavored right, it might change.
There was a hint right there though.
Trying to make CEE taste better? Good luck :laugh:
CompEdgeLabs
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Where'd you get CEE from? I know we wont be using CEE in anything, although I do like it.
Good reply lol.
celc5
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Ha Ha I was thinking since creatine was the topic and you mentioned flavoring... the only creatine that I could think of that tasted bad was CEE. Carry on, I'm just clownin :fool2:
CompEdgeLabs
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We wont be using CEE; I like CEE myself, but enough people do not that it will keep us from including it. There is alot more to the formula that makes it challenging to flavor than the creatine lol
mw1
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Im excited about this one. Its been a long time coming:beerchug:
dumbhick3
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Sheeeeeit, try to make 1.5g of creatine hydrochloride (e.g., Con-Cret) taste good.
I mixed it in my morning shake today-first day of PCT. Anyway, I have a protein shake with breakfast and then a supplement "omlette" shake after that. This morning was 1.5g of creatine HCl, 1 scoop Endoamp max, 1 scoop toco 8, 1 scoop vitaberry, 10g iBCAAs. Normally, that "shake" is quite palatable. But adding the creatine in this morning-wooeee! I said daymn at least once while drinking.
The unflavored torem citrate chaser tasted pretty good after that!
I wonder if anyone has actually sampled the flavors of all the various creatines that there are? I want to see a relative rankness rating! Creatinol-o-phosphate, creatine maleate, creatine [insert anion], etc; there must be at least a dozen different ones. It would be nice to see some head to head comparisons of the effectivess of all these new hybrid creatines but not in a 5 types of creatine in one pill form. Not that such a product is bad, but to see what is contributing the most or if a synergystic effect is greater than the sum of the parts irrespective of the relative dosing of the parts (within reason).
Based on my limited experience tasting creatines, I'd say that the HCl takes the cake. I haven't had the pleasure of powdered CEE though, so who knows.
Man, I gotta stop rambling. Must be this cold.
I mixed it in my morning shake today-first day of PCT. Anyway, I have a protein shake with breakfast and then a supplement "omlette" shake after that. This morning was 1.5g of creatine HCl, 1 scoop Endoamp max, 1 scoop toco 8, 1 scoop vitaberry, 10g iBCAAs. Normally, that "shake" is quite palatable. But adding the creatine in this morning-wooeee! I said daymn at least once while drinking.
The unflavored torem citrate chaser tasted pretty good after that!
I wonder if anyone has actually sampled the flavors of all the various creatines that there are? I want to see a relative rankness rating! Creatinol-o-phosphate, creatine maleate, creatine [insert anion], etc; there must be at least a dozen different ones. It would be nice to see some head to head comparisons of the effectivess of all these new hybrid creatines but not in a 5 types of creatine in one pill form. Not that such a product is bad, but to see what is contributing the most or if a synergystic effect is greater than the sum of the parts irrespective of the relative dosing of the parts (within reason).
Based on my limited experience tasting creatines, I'd say that the HCl takes the cake. I haven't had the pleasure of powdered CEE though, so who knows.
Man, I gotta stop rambling. Must be this cold.
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CEE tastes pretty acidic. I dont mind it but some people do.
Anyone that thinks CEE is bad needs to try AEE - **** tastes like what you would imagine battery acid tasting like.
Anyone that thinks CEE is bad needs to try AEE - **** tastes like what you would imagine battery acid tasting like.
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Guys - Serious Question - Is there any interest in a kick ass post workout product by us? We have been throwing the idea around. A product that would be kind of a one stop shop for post workout needs.
Let me know if interested, and also what you would like to see in it.
For example, for carbs to protein, 1:1 ratio, 2:1 ratio, etc.
I can say my vote right now would be a 1:1 ratio, but some people prob will prefer a 2:1 ratio.
Let me know if interested, and also what you would like to see in it.
For example, for carbs to protein, 1:1 ratio, 2:1 ratio, etc.
I can say my vote right now would be a 1:1 ratio, but some people prob will prefer a 2:1 ratio.
liquid
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1:1 gets my vote.
CompEdgeLabs
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1:1 is my preference as well. I know alot of people like a 2:1 carb to protein mix, but I think 1:1 is better for the average person and more versatile.
CompEdgeLabs
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Pretty much my thoughts as well lol. For someone wanting more carbs, they can always add them, but if someone were to want less, they would be screwed.
mw1
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I say 1:1 also....can we get it in Cotton Candy flavors?? That way it will be more like a post w\o dessert
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dumbhick3
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I was kind of hoping for a beef jerkey flavor myself.:tongue2:
Seriously, some products today are so sweet that they are literally nauseating to me. And if you made cotton candy any sweeter tasting, I'd probably vomit. I am not a big "sweets" person, so this may be a factor. Many real desserts are nauseating to me for this reason.
I've said this before, but when did bodybuilding, bodybuilding shakes and flavored supps become some "fruity"? If you can get used to eating plain greek yogurt by the pound on cycle (or unflavored cottage cheese by the lb), then supersweet seems like a shock to the taste buds.
Maybe it is like buddists who can't eat meat anymore so they eat bean/gluten/vegan sushi that is shaped and colored like the real meat counterpart (you know, memories of better days and all).
A tangential example are some of the LV products that PP produced. Some of them taste so bad, it begs the question of why it was even flavored to begin with. Granted, with the LV, you can just "worm shot" it in a glass of water and never taste it (so why sweeten it?). But the Tren LV was/is vanilla ice cream flavored and some people say it tastes like licking a burnt tire (if you don't worm shot it).
I mean, I don't need a vanilla latte ice cream cone graham cracker crust ambrosia custard flavored protein drink or supplement to be able to drink it. As long as it doesn't taste like unflavored Pepto Pro, micellar casein, or hydrolyzed whey, I am good to go
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CompEdgeLabs
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I was kind of hoping for a beef jerkey flavor myself.:tongue2:
Seriously, some products today are so sweet that they are literally nauseating to me. And if you made cotton candy any sweeter tasting, I'd probably vomit. I am not a big "sweets" person, so this may be a factor. Many real desserts are nauseating to me for this reason.
I've said this before, but when did bodybuilding, bodybuilding shakes and flavored supps become some "fruity"? If you can get used to eating plain greek yogurt by the pound on cycle (or unflavored cottage cheese by the lb), then supersweet seems like a shock to the taste buds.
Maybe it is like buddists who can't eat meat anymore so they eat bean/gluten/vegan sushi that is shaped and colored like the real meat counterpart (you know, memories of better days and all).
A tangential example are some of the LV products that PP produced. Some of them taste so bad, it begs the question of why it was even flavored to begin with. Granted, with the LV, you can just "worm shot" it in a glass of water and never taste it (so why sweeten it?). But the Tren LV was/is vanilla ice cream flavored and some people say it tastes like licking a burnt tire (if you don't worm shot it).
I mean, I don't need a vanilla latte ice cream cone graham cracker crust ambrosia custard flavored protein drink or supplement to be able to drink it. As long as it doesn't taste like unflavored Pepto Pro, micellar casein, or hydrolyzed whey, I am good to go
To the more hardcore people, flavoring isnt nearly as important. But to the mainstream general consumer, it will be. The goal will be to make the flavors taste good, but without being overbearing.
As a company, we will continue to make products that will appeal to the hardcore users, but we also have to start doing some things to keep the average person in mind as well.
JBerto
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dumbhick3
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I like that; a nice, balanced approach.
mw1
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Thanks for the support. I dont think anyone is going to be let down with our new lineup
felost
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- Furuza-A compounds: ?mg
- 11-Sterone compounds: ?mg
Protection facts:
-Silimarin: ?mg
-Saw Palmetto: ?mg
- Onters protections maybe
MAYBE AN NO2 COMPOUND:
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