We're a "Nation of cowards"

[Dwight Schrute]

Actually pointing out flaws in your logic is far from "reduced to debating style".I think we can both agree that a fallacious argument should be thrown out of the debate

I don't tihnk anything should be thrown out.

When you start criticizing methods, it shows that your original point has very little to stand on.

You have any evidence to support this statement?

Unlike you, I understand its almost impossible to prove something that is ultimately up to personal interpretation.

Yet another straw man. I never claimed either party had or has a monopoly on such practices,you are projecting again.

I am not projecting anything. Not once have I seen you acknowledge Democrats have and do the same thing. You blame one party.

I agree,they suppressed minority votes for their benefit.

And now, looking at the demographics and current state of affairs, its not because of some racist agenda...its party.

Whether you think it is counterproductive or not their is ample evidence that it still goes on.

That's like saying racism doesn't exist...it always will but participating in several elections, it simply isn't about race anymore. Its about party and votes..not some institutional racist agenda. If you think think it is....well, they got you by the balls...

In 2000 and 2004 suppressing minority votes definitely did win Presidential Elections

By suppressing "DEMOCRAT" votes....if rural white people voted Democrats or Latinos (as the Democrats tried), I assure you they would target that group. The idea is based on race its ridiculous. Black people vote 85% Democrat...and you think they target them because of race? :lol:

My examples were appropriate but apparently you did not understand them.Not surprising.

They were irrelevant.

o it's:

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Drama and showmanship at its finest. Its funny your entire thought process can be influence by a youtube video and the most extreme situations in our nations history. Its actually quite sad. Then again, racism still exists because of people like that interject it at every turn. If you actually looked at the bigger picture, you would figure that its easy to get people like you to believe its an issue of race rather than an issue of power and exploitation. You are a voting demographic to politicians..nothing more..nothing less..black, white, red, blue..whatever....you are a tool to them....but if you feel you can get the truth off of youtube, go for it.

If you actually think its race, then I really feel sorry for you because you are easily exploited and easily influenced.

Says the man to whom it applies.

Says the man who understand the bigger pitcure..unlike you.

You seem not to be comprehending my words so I've resorted to videos.

Your words? You state the same thing while ignoring the larger picture. There isn't much to understand. You look towards racism as the answer while anyone who actually studies politics knows it has nothing to do with race..it has to do with votes, party and getting elected at all costs. Time to wake up a bit and stop listening to the drama artists who tug those little strings hanging above your head.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

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Look...they got this guy completely brainwashed!!!! They can do anything....


Brainwashing level number 1, 2 and 3.... :lol:


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[EasyEJL]

Unlike you, I understand its almost impossible to prove something that is ultimately up to personal interpretation.

Thats sort of why I dropped out of this one without there being ad hominem attacks to spice things up it was getting boring as we were basically going back and forth over trying to frame as fact things that effectively were opinion. As a great example, my 12 year old daughter was talking to me about this just yesterday. a friend of hers (who she invited to her sleep over party, has gone to her birthday party etc) who is now no longer a friend happens to be black. While out on the fields for gym the other girl had the volleyball, and went to go talk to some of the other black kids who were out there. My daughter says "come on nicole, bring the ball over so we can start playing" and the other girls response which was loud enough for all the kids to hear was "look at the white kids trying to make the black kids run around for them". What makes it funny in a way is that my daughter isn't what you'd call white by any stretch, she's fairly darkskinned as her mom is hispanic and she tends to tan super easy. And we live in one of the most integrated neighborhoods i know of, I really can't guess what sort of guy she'll date or who will come over to play as on my block we have american blacks, carribean blacks, whites, chinese, korean, mexican, arabic, pakistani and indian kids. I'm probably missing at least one group that i'm just not thinking of offhand.

Anyhow, point was that if you look for discrimination, you'll see it. And if you believe every action that someone of a color other than yours does to you is caused by their feeling about your race, then you will find or fabricate "evidence" of it.

 

[lutherblsstt]

I don't tihnk anything should be thrown out.

When you start criticizing methods, it shows that your original point has very little to stand on.

No it actually showed how fallacious your argument is.

Unlike you, I understand its almost impossible to prove something that is ultimately up to personal interpretation.

By looking only for provable fraud, and not investigating the obvious question why minority voters and white voters had extremely different experiences on Election Day each of us are choosing to accept as a given that when minority voters receive second-class status, it is not really news.

I am not projecting anything. Not once have I seen you acknowledge Democrats have and do the same thing. You blame one party.

I do not blame one party,for the umpteenth time.I pointed out the most recent instances of this ongoing practice,perpetrated by the Republicans.I am not a Democrat and have no problem saying that they took part in the same thing in the past.

And now, looking at the demographics and current state of affairs, its not because of some racist agenda...its party.

Example:

The entire population of Duval County registered voters is 26.9% Black, 2.9% Hispanic and 64.2% White. Examining the caging list reveals very different ratios: 48% Black, 5% Hispanic and 35% White. Thus, the caging list contains a disproportionately high number of Black and Hispanic voters. As such, the Jacksonville caging list emailed to the RNC appears to be racially biased. If the RNC was involved in its generation and if the lists were used to make challenges, this would almost certainly be a violation of the 1982 Consent Decree.

Also

A recent editorial in the LA Times contained this observation of the Justice Department under the Bush administration:

Under the Bush administration, however, all that changed. Over the last six years, this Justice Department has ignored the advice of its staff and skewed aspects of law enforcement in ways that clearly were intended to influence the outcome of elections.


It has notably shirked its legal responsibility to protect voting rights. From 2001 to 2006, no voting discrimination cases were brought on behalf of African American or Native American voters. U.S. attorneys were told instead to give priority to voter fraud cases, which, when coupled with the strong support for voter ID laws, indicated an intent to depress voter turnout in minority and poor communities.

That's like saying racism doesn't exist...it always will but participating in several elections, it simply isn't about race anymore. Its about party and votes..not some institutional racist agenda. If you think think it is....well, they got you by the balls...

Or I know something you are obviously unable to admit. or recognize.

By suppressing "DEMOCRAT" votes....if rural white people voted Democrats or Latinos (as the Democrats tried), I assure you they would target that group. The idea is based on race its ridiculous. Black people vote 85% Democrat...and you think they target them because of race? :lol:

So you are saying they did suppress votes just not based on race?

They were irrelevant.

They were very relevant,but of course you not seeing their relevance actually shows that.

Drama and showmanship at its finest.

And truth.

Its funny your entire thought process can be influence by a youtube video and the most extreme situations in our nations history. Its actually quite sad.

I like how you disparage anything you do not agree with.Thou dost make many specious presumptions Mr. Kramer. Your lack of depth would indicate to me that perusing forums is about the height of your literary engagement.

Then again, racism still exists because of people like that interject it at every turn.

:laugh: Is that right? No other reason huh?:laugh:

If you actually looked at the bigger picture, you would figure that its easy to get people like you to believe its an issue of race rather than an issue of power and exploitation.

You obviously have little to no understanding of racism. You actually think that there is no issue of power and exploitation involved in racism?


Please, expand your knowledge and take some time to reference the following:


An American Dillemma: The Negro Problem and Modern Democracy, by Gunnar Myrdal


Excessive Force: Power, Politics and Population Control by the Information Project for Africa

The COINTELPRO Papers: Documents from the FBI's Secret Wars Against Dissent in the United States by Ward Churchill


Racial Matters: The FBI's Secret File on Black America by Kenneth O'Reilly


I could suggest to you dozens if not hundreds of other references to support my positions.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

No it actually showed how fallacious your argument is.

No, its shows how desperate you are.

By looking only for provable fraud, and not investigating the obvious question why minority voters and white voters had extremely different experiences on Election Day each of us are choosing to accept as a given that when minority voters receive second-class status, it is not really news.

Same as rural votes in Virgina, Florida and Ohio suddenly disappearing....or all of a sudden 16k absentee ballots from military personnel disappearing in Colorado...which are predominantly Republican voters.


You only want to look at urban areas and associate race with the problem instead of looking at the entire picture....its about party and getting someone elected, not some bogus institutional racist agenda.

I do not blame one party,for the umpteenth time.I pointed out the most recent instances of this ongoing practice,perpetrated by the Republicans.I am not a Democrat and have no problem saying that they took part in the same thing in the past.

Umpteenth? You mean first?

And do you mean in the past..do you mean in Nov. 2008?

You might want to investigate the practice of both sides because you make a conclusion on the entire subject....then you might see that neither party cares about what color you are, they care about who you vote for.

It might take some time, but you might just see that some day.

Example:

The entire population of Duval County registered voters is 26.9% Black, 2.9% Hispanic and 64.2% White. Examining the caging list reveals very different ratios: 48% Black, 5% Hispanic and 35% White. Thus, the caging list contains a disproportionately high number of Black and Hispanic voters. As such, the Jacksonville caging list emailed to the RNC appears to be racially biased. If the RNC was involved in its generation and if the lists were used to make challenges, this would almost certainly be a violation of the 1982 Consent Decree.

Also

A recent editorial in the LA Times contained this observation of the Justice Department under the Bush administration:

Under the Bush administration, however, all that changed. Over the last six years, this Justice Department has ignored the advice of its staff and skewed aspects of law enforcement in ways that clearly were intended to influence the outcome of elections.


It has notably shirked its legal responsibility to protect voting rights. From 2001 to 2006, no voting discrimination cases were brought on behalf of African American or Native American voters. U.S. attorneys were told instead to give priority to voter fraud cases, which, when coupled with the strong support for voter ID laws, indicated an intent to depress voter turnout in minority and poor communities.

Once again, you dismiss the reason for minority suppresion....PARTY....they don't care about what color you are...they care about whether you have a D or R on your registration form.


Minorities vote 75%+ Democrat. If I am trying to suppressing Democrats vote I am going to emphasize my efforst in highly populated areas of Democrats.....urban minority comminuties.....Its commone sense!!!

Its not race....its PARTY. Are you this narrow minded?

Or I know something you are obviously unable to admit. or recognize.

I already have...its just sad your obvious bias has been exploited this bad.

So you are saying they did suppress votes just not based on race?

Wow...its only took you 2 pages to actually understand that point after I've said it about 5 times?

Its PARTY, not RACE. Repeat 10 times for it to sink in.

They were very relevant,but of course you not seeing their relevance actually shows that.

No, it shows how narrow of a thought process you have.

And truth.

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I like how you disparage anything you do not agree with.Thou dost make many specious presumptions Mr. Kramer. Your lack of depth would indicate to me that perusing forums is about the height of your literary engagement.

Only took one page to criticize style...on page two? Personal insults...the playbook has been followed to a T. Good job Luther.

:lol:

:laugh: Is that right? No other reason huh?:laugh:

With people like you, it shall never die.

You obviously have little to no understanding of racism. You actually think that there is no issue of power and exploitation involved in racism?

And your comprehensions skills are severely lacking as my statement clearly pointed to racism being little about race from an institutional standpoint and more about economic power...dating back to Bacons Rebellion in colonial Virgina before this country was even founded....only then it was the "red man". Stop being so narrow minded.

Please, expand your knowledge and take some time to reference the following:

Ahh yes...the "go read these 23 books to see where I"m coming from" arguement.

Ward Churchill is high on my list

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Anyhow, point was that if you look for discrimination, you'll see it. And if you believe every action that someone of a color other than yours does to you is caused by their feeling about your race, then you will find or fabricate "evidence" of it.

And those in power understand this and exploit it....always have and always will. People like Luther here are ripe for the picking...


Al Sharpton makes a living off it. A very nice living.

 

[lutherblsstt]

No, its shows how desperate you are.





Same as rural votes in Virgina, Florida and Ohio suddenly disappearing....or all of a sudden 16k absentee ballots from military personnel disappearing in Colorado...which are predominantly Republican voters.


You only want to look at urban areas and associate race with the problem instead of looking at the entire picture....its about party and getting someone elected, not some bogus institutional racist agenda.





Umpteenth? You mean first?

And do you mean in the past..do you mean in Nov. 2008?

You might want to investigate the practice of both sides because you make a conclusion on the entire subject....then you might see that neither party cares about what color you are, they care about who you vote for.

It might take some time, but you might just see that some day.









Once again, you dismiss the reason for minority suppresion....PARTY....they don't care about what color you are...they care about whether you have a D or R on your registration form.


Minorities vote 75%+ Democrat. If I am trying to suppressing Democrats vote I am going to emphasize my efforst in highly populated areas of Democrats.....urban minority comminuties.....Its commone sense!!!

Its not race....its PARTY. Are you this narrow minded?



I already have...its just sad your obvious bias has been exploited this bad.







Wow...its only took you 2 pages to actually understand that point after I've said it about 5 times?

Its PARTY, not RACE. Repeat 10 times for it to sink in.





No, it shows how narrow of a thought process you have.







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Only took one page to criticize style...on page two? Personal insults...the playbook has been followed to a T. Good job Luther.

:lol:

Ahh yes...the "go read these 23 books to see where I"m coming from" arguement.

Ward Churchill is high on my list

This back and forth is fruitless,you accuse me of using youtube as a sole reference then I gave you a list of books spanning 70 years and you come back with a joke about that,what is the point?

The first book listed was the largest published study of Blacks in America by the Swedish Nobel Prize winning economist; the work commissioned by the Carnegie Institute and presented to Roosevelt during WWII.


This type of ignorance-based castigation is typical of what has kept certain intellectuals from the mainstream of thought in America. I suggest that continuance of intellectual xenophobia will only hasten the downfall of this society.

But, I suppose that within a nation that can sustain the Bush/Cheney regime as primary leadership for 8 years, one should not expect too much brilliance amongst the mass of its citizens.



Let me touch on the subject of the thread and I'm done.

In truth, the nation's chief law enforcement officer deserves criticism more for what he didn't say than for what he did.

Specifically, Holder blamed personal cowardice for our racial divide, rather than institutionalized inequities, thereby minimizing his own Department's role in solving the problem; and he blamed everyone (and thus no one in particular) for being cowards, thereby letting white Americans--who have always been the ones least willing to engage the subject--off our uniquely large hook.

The racial divide about which Holder spoke, particularly in terms of the neighborhoods where people live, is not the result of some abstract cowardice to engage one another. Rather, it is about the racist fears of whites, who decades ago began leaving neighborhoods when blacks began to move in.

They didn't move because of declining property values, as they often claimed (indeed economic logic dictates that the rapid white exodus, not the black demand for housing, would cause such an outcome), but because of racism.

And in their fears, these whites were assisted by government policy, which subsidized their flight via FHA and VA loans that were all but off limits to people of color.

This is how (and why) the suburbs came to be.

From the 1940s to the early 60s, over $120 billion in home loans were made to whites, preferentially, thanks to these government efforts, while blacks and other persons of color were excluded from the same.

Indeed, about half of all homes purchased by white families during this time were financed thanks to these low-interest loans, while folks of color remained locked in cities, their dwellings and businesses often knocked down to make way for the very interstates that would shuttle their white counterparts to the suburbs where only they could live.

We remain residentially divided today because of the legacy of those apartheid-like policies (see why it is important to know history Cosmo?), as well as ongoing race-based housing discrimination: between 2 million and 3.7 million incidents per year according to private estimates. It is the AG's job to do something about that by enforcing the Fair Housing Act, not pleading for more dialogue. As Elvis once said, albeit about a very different subject, we need "a little less conversation, a little more action, please."

Holder also pulled a punch by issuing his charge of personal cowardice indiscriminately, as if to say that everyone was equally averse to tackling the subject of racism. But people of color have always voiced their concerns about the matter. It is whites who have tended to shut down, to change the subject, or to minimize the problem by telling those who mention it to "get over it already," or by accusing them of "playing the race card."



As exhibit one for this charge, consider the way in which most of white America has reacted to the recent New York Post cartoon, in which police officers gun down a wild ape, meant to represent the author of the stimulus bill; and this, directly opposite a picture of President Obama signing that very piece of legislation.

That such an image trades on longstanding racist stereotypes is apparent to most folks of color, and yet, most of white America has yawned through the controversy, or worse, accused blacks enraged by the image of hypersensitivity.

Likewise, most whites reacted with unaffected diffidence at the New Year's day videotape from the Oakland subway, in which a white police officer coolly executed a black man by the name of Oscar Grant, despite Grant putting up no resistance, possessing no weapon, and posing no threat to the officer.

On message boards in the Bay Area--supposedly filled with progressive types to hear locals tell it--whites regularly expressed more outrage at protesters demanding justice for the Grant family, than at officer Mehserle for committing cold-blooded murder.

Sadly, whites are rarely open to what black and brown folks have to say regarding their ongoing experiences with racist mistreatment. And we are especially reluctant to discuss what that mistreatment means for us as whites: namely that we end up with more and better opportunities as the flipside of discrimination. After all, there is no down without an up, no matter how much we'd like to believe otherwise.

It is white denial, as much as anything, which has allowed racial inequity to persist for so long, and it's nothing new.

In the early 1960s, even before the passage of modern civil rights laws, two out of three whites said blacks were treated equally, and nearly 90 percent said black kids had equal educational opportunity.

Matter of fact, white denial has a longer pedigree than that, reaching back at least as far as the 1860s, when southern slave-owners were literally stunned to see their human property abandon them after the Emancipation Proclamation. After all, to the semi-delusional white mind of the time, they had always treated their slaves "like family."

If you want to come back with a half baked response and drag this out ad nauseum,be my guest.

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[Dwight Schrute]

But, I suppose that within a nation that can sustain the Bush/Cheney regime as primary leadership for 8 years, one should not expect too much brilliance amongst the mass of its citizens.

Ah yes, the insulting of an entire nations intelligence because of who they voted for. Quite classy. This is why I love liberals/progressives...decry racism and all kinds on injustices while insulting the the entire population.

"Please listen to me!!!!!!! What are you people stupid?"

:lol:

Let me touch on the subject of the thread and I'm done.

Oh thank god because everyone is tired of you dragging this out into some racial tangent that has nothing to do with the true subject at hand.

If you want to come back with a half baked response and drag this out ad nauseum,be my guest.

Are you ever going to admit that politicians could care less about race and more about party or will continue to live in 1965? That was the point of thie entire discussions before you went off on your racial tangent. I'm sure you can find an audience for your material somewhere. Maybe a discussion with Cornel West?

PS I would love to get your thoughts on this:

Why? What does have to do with voter suppression? I would much rather discuss this. As we all know ACORN is bastion of Republican thought. :lol:

The Complete Guide to ACORN Voter Fraud

And you thought 2000 was bad.

This year’s election is shaping up to be one of the most controversial in history. Just this week, a federal judge ordered Ohio’s top elections official to verify the identity of newly registered voters by matching them with other government documents. The very next day a 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals set aside the federal judge’s order on verifying registrations.

Further igniting the voter fraud/voter registration debate was the news that a national community organizing group is being investigated in at least 14 states and several swing states for massive irregularities. This news would make headlines anyway, but what made it worse was that Barack Obama was a key player in this organization, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, in the past. Obama trained its local leaders, represented the organization in court, and worked to funnel funds to the organization. The Obama campaign also donated $800,000 this year to an ACORN affiliate.

What is ACORN?

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is a community-based organization that advocates for low and moderate income families founded in 1970 by Wade Rathke and Gary Delgado. Rathke, one of the most powerful hard-Left activists in America, is a former member of a radical 1960s group, the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). The Weathermen terrorist group split off from the SDS in 1969. ACORN says its priorities include better housing and wages for the poor, more community development investment from banks and governments, and better public schools.

ACORN is also known for its voter registration efforts.

This year alone ACORN has registered 1,315,037 voters.

Although the organization prides itself for its registration efforts, it also has a long history of scandal. In the state of Missouri in 1986, 12 ACORN members were convicted of voter fraud. But that case was not an isolated incident in the state. In December 2004, in St. Louis, six volunteers pleaded guilty of dozens of election law violations for filling out registration cards with names of dead people and other bogus information. Authorities launched an earlier investigation after noticing that among the new voters was longtime St. Louis alderman Albert “Red” Villa, who died in 1990. The volunteers worked for “Operation Big Vote” — a branch of ACORN — in St. Louis.

On February 10, 2005, Nonaresa Montgomery, a paid worker who ran Operation Big Vote during the run-up to the 2001 mayoral primary, was found guilty of vote fraud. Montgomery hired about 30 workers to do fraudulent voter-registration canvassing. Instead of knocking on doors, the volunteers sat at a St. Louis fast food restaurant and wrote out names and information from an outdated voter list. About 1,500 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in.

In October 2006, St. Louis election officials discovered at least 1,492 “potentially fraudulent” voter registration cards. They were all turned in by ACORN volunteers.

In November 2006, 20,000 to 35,000 questionable voter registration forms were turned in by ACORN officials in Missouri. Most all of these were from St. Louis and Kansas City areas, where ACORN purportedly sought to help empower the “disenfranchised” minorities living there. But the ACORN workers weren’t just told to register new voters. The workers admitted on camera that they were coached to tell registrants to vote for Democrat Claire McCaskill.

In 2007, in Kansas City, Missouri, four ACORN employees were indicted for fraud. In April of this year eight ACORN employees in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting bogus voter registrations.

And, that was just Missouri.

This year there have been several accusations of fraud against ACORN. Over a dozen states are investigating the organization already. Here is a complete list of the ongoing investigations:

North Carolina — State Board of Elections officials have found at least 100 voter registration forms with the same names over and over again. The forms were turned in by ACORN. Officials sent about 30 applications to the state Board of Elections for possible fraud investigation.

Ohio — The New York Post reported that a Cleveland man said he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times. The complaints have sparked an investigation by election officials into the organization, whose political wing has supported Barack Obama. Witnesses have already been subpoenaed to testify against the organization.

Nevada — Authorities raided the headquarters of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now on Tuesday October 7, 2008, after a month-long investigation. The fraudulent voter registrations included the Dallas Cowboys starting line-up.

Indiana — More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana’s Lake County filled out by ACORN employees turned out to be bogus. Officials also stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony.

Connecticut — Officials are looking into a complaint alleging ACORN submitted fraudulent voter registration cards in Bridgeport. In one instance, an official said a card was filled out for a 7-year-old girl, whose age was listed as 27. 8,000 cards were submitted in Bridgeport.

Missouri — The Kansas City election board is reporting 100 duplicate applications and 280 with fake information. Acorn officials agreed that at least 4% of their registrations were bogus. Governor Matt Blunt condemned the attempts by ACORN to commit voter fraud.

Pennsylvania — Officials are investigating suspicious or incomplete registration forms submitted by ACORN. 252,595 voter registrations were submitted in Philadelphia. Remarkably, 57,435 were rejected — most of them submitted by ACORN.

Wisconsin — In Milwaukee ACORN improperly used felons as registration workers. Additionally, its workers are among 49 cases of bad registrations sent to authorities for possible charges, as first reported by the Journal Sentinel.

Florida — The Pinellas County Elections supervisor says his office has received around 35 voter registrations that appear to be bogus. There is also a question of 30,000 felons who are registered illegally to vote. Their connections with ACORN are not yet clear.

Texas — Of the 30,000 registration cards ACORN turned in, Harris County tax assessor Paul Bettencourt says just more than 20,000 are valid. And just look at some of the places ACORN was finding those voters. A church just next door is the address for around 150 people. More than 250 people claim a homeless outreach center as their home address. Some listed a county mental health facility as their home and one person even wrote down the Harris County jail at the sheriff’s office.

Michigan — ACORN in Detroit is being investigated after several municipal clerks reported fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications coming through. The clerk interviewed said the fraud appears to be widespread.

New Mexico – The Bernalillo County clerk has notified prosecutors that some 1,100 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in by ACORN.

That’s not all. So far this year at least 14 states have started investigations against ACORN. Talk about a culture of corruption. It is so bad that Representatives of Congress have asked for the Justice Department to investigate, and GOP presidential candidate John McCain is bringing it up in his stump speeches. The Obama camp is stealthily altering its “Fight the Smears” website to distance themselves from the organization — quite a challenge considering how close their candidate’s association has been with the group.

The liberal vs. conservative, voter fraud vs. voter intimidation debate will no doubt continue after this election. But this year, with the assistance of scandal-plagued ACORN, it appears that — so far — the voter fraud side is winning.






ACORN is exploiting minorities. They must be racists.

 

[Vtaper]

Good post about ACORN,

Made me think about the debates when McCain mentioned ACORN, the camera would cut to Obama and he would start laughing and shaking his head. Then the debate "score keepers" would give Obama another point on the side of the screen, and suddenly the average voter didnt care about it.

But everybody remembers that McCain wanted to "Give Billions to oil companies".

 

[jamesb2525]

this is true

 

[Jayhawkk]

He writes his opinion in a very neat package but there's little more to it than "racism, rascism, racism!"

I know there's racism in the workplace but the cowardice isn't directed towards people placing blame on minorites or telling anyone to get over it. It's the fact that any discussion of race can have negative results ranging from hostile work environments, repremands,counselings and termination. Everyone is too sensitive now to get any proper discussion done because as soon as one person feels offended, regardless of justifiable reasoning, all conversation shuts down.

 

[lutherblsstt]

Ah yes, the insulting of an entire nations intelligence because of who they voted for. Quite classy. This is why I love liberals/progressives...decry racism and all kinds on injustices while insulting the the entire population.

"Please listen to me!!!!!!! What are you people stupid?"

:lol:




Oh thank god because everyone is tired of you dragging this out into some racial tangent that has nothing to do with the true subject at hand.







Are you ever going to admit that politicians could care less about race and more about party or will continue to live in 1965? That was the point of thie entire discussions before you went off on your racial tangent. I'm sure you can find an audience for your material somewhere. Maybe a discussion with Cornel West?




Why? What does have to do with voter suppression? I would much rather discuss this. As we all know ACORN is bastion of Republican thought. :lol:

The Complete Guide to ACORN Voter Fraud

And you thought 2000 was bad.

This year’s election is shaping up to be one of the most controversial in history. Just this week, a federal judge ordered Ohio’s top elections official to verify the identity of newly registered voters by matching them with other government documents. The very next day a 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals set aside the federal judge’s order on verifying registrations.

Further igniting the voter fraud/voter registration debate was the news that a national community organizing group is being investigated in at least 14 states and several swing states for massive irregularities. This news would make headlines anyway, but what made it worse was that Barack Obama was a key player in this organization, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, in the past. Obama trained its local leaders, represented the organization in court, and worked to funnel funds to the organization. The Obama campaign also donated $800,000 this year to an ACORN affiliate.

What is ACORN?

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is a community-based organization that advocates for low and moderate income families founded in 1970 by Wade Rathke and Gary Delgado. Rathke, one of the most powerful hard-Left activists in America, is a former member of a radical 1960s group, the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). The Weathermen terrorist group split off from the SDS in 1969. ACORN says its priorities include better housing and wages for the poor, more community development investment from banks and governments, and better public schools.

ACORN is also known for its voter registration efforts.

This year alone ACORN has registered 1,315,037 voters.

Although the organization prides itself for its registration efforts, it also has a long history of scandal. In the state of Missouri in 1986, 12 ACORN members were convicted of voter fraud. But that case was not an isolated incident in the state. In December 2004, in St. Louis, six volunteers pleaded guilty of dozens of election law violations for filling out registration cards with names of dead people and other bogus information. Authorities launched an earlier investigation after noticing that among the new voters was longtime St. Louis alderman Albert “Red” Villa, who died in 1990. The volunteers worked for “Operation Big Vote” — a branch of ACORN — in St. Louis.

On February 10, 2005, Nonaresa Montgomery, a paid worker who ran Operation Big Vote during the run-up to the 2001 mayoral primary, was found guilty of vote fraud. Montgomery hired about 30 workers to do fraudulent voter-registration canvassing. Instead of knocking on doors, the volunteers sat at a St. Louis fast food restaurant and wrote out names and information from an outdated voter list. About 1,500 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in.

In October 2006, St. Louis election officials discovered at least 1,492 “potentially fraudulent” voter registration cards. They were all turned in by ACORN volunteers.

In November 2006, 20,000 to 35,000 questionable voter registration forms were turned in by ACORN officials in Missouri. Most all of these were from St. Louis and Kansas City areas, where ACORN purportedly sought to help empower the “disenfranchised” minorities living there. But the ACORN workers weren’t just told to register new voters. The workers admitted on camera that they were coached to tell registrants to vote for Democrat Claire McCaskill.

In 2007, in Kansas City, Missouri, four ACORN employees were indicted for fraud. In April of this year eight ACORN employees in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting bogus voter registrations.

And, that was just Missouri.

This year there have been several accusations of fraud against ACORN. Over a dozen states are investigating the organization already. Here is a complete list of the ongoing investigations:

North Carolina — State Board of Elections officials have found at least 100 voter registration forms with the same names over and over again. The forms were turned in by ACORN. Officials sent about 30 applications to the state Board of Elections for possible fraud investigation.

Ohio — The New York Post reported that a Cleveland man said he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times. The complaints have sparked an investigation by election officials into the organization, whose political wing has supported Barack Obama. Witnesses have already been subpoenaed to testify against the organization.

Nevada — Authorities raided the headquarters of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now on Tuesday October 7, 2008, after a month-long investigation. The fraudulent voter registrations included the Dallas Cowboys starting line-up.

Indiana — More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana’s Lake County filled out by ACORN employees turned out to be bogus. Officials also stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony.

Connecticut — Officials are looking into a complaint alleging ACORN submitted fraudulent voter registration cards in Bridgeport. In one instance, an official said a card was filled out for a 7-year-old girl, whose age was listed as 27. 8,000 cards were submitted in Bridgeport.

Missouri — The Kansas City election board is reporting 100 duplicate applications and 280 with fake information. Acorn officials agreed that at least 4% of their registrations were bogus. Governor Matt Blunt condemned the attempts by ACORN to commit voter fraud.

Pennsylvania — Officials are investigating suspicious or incomplete registration forms submitted by ACORN. 252,595 voter registrations were submitted in Philadelphia. Remarkably, 57,435 were rejected — most of them submitted by ACORN.

Wisconsin — In Milwaukee ACORN improperly used felons as registration workers. Additionally, its workers are among 49 cases of bad registrations sent to authorities for possible charges, as first reported by the Journal Sentinel.

Florida — The Pinellas County Elections supervisor says his office has received around 35 voter registrations that appear to be bogus. There is also a question of 30,000 felons who are registered illegally to vote. Their connections with ACORN are not yet clear.

Texas — Of the 30,000 registration cards ACORN turned in, Harris County tax assessor Paul Bettencourt says just more than 20,000 are valid. And just look at some of the places ACORN was finding those voters. A church just next door is the address for around 150 people. More than 250 people claim a homeless outreach center as their home address. Some listed a county mental health facility as their home and one person even wrote down the Harris County jail at the sheriff’s office.

Michigan — ACORN in Detroit is being investigated after several municipal clerks reported fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications coming through. The clerk interviewed said the fraud appears to be widespread.

New Mexico – The Bernalillo County clerk has notified prosecutors that some 1,100 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in by ACORN.

That’s not all. So far this year at least 14 states have started investigations against ACORN. Talk about a culture of corruption. It is so bad that Representatives of Congress have asked for the Justice Department to investigate, and GOP presidential candidate John McCain is bringing it up in his stump speeches. The Obama camp is stealthily altering its “Fight the Smears” website to distance themselves from the organization — quite a challenge considering how close their candidate’s association has been with the group.

The liberal vs. conservative, voter fraud vs. voter intimidation debate will no doubt continue after this election. But this year, with the assistance of scandal-plagued ACORN, it appears that — so far — the voter fraud side is winning.






ACORN is exploiting minorities. They must be racists.

All day the mainstream news has been reporting the so-called Voter Fraud on the part of ACORN that has registered over 1.2 million people to vote in low income areas of the country.

THE FACTS: - all people who do voter registration are REQUIRED BY LAW to turn in the forms that they receive, whether they are valid or not.

What ACORN does when they register someone to vote is then turn around and verify that the person is who they say they are. When the person can't be found ACORN then flags them as suspicious. When they turn them into boards of elections (which again they are require to do) those suspicious ones are flagged so BOE's can deal with them accordingly.

Where the controversy comes in is that this is all a grand voter suppression tactic being used to scare those same low income voters that have been registered by ACORN from voting because they think that their registration might not be valid. If you notice... these are being contested in very close swing states as part of a Republican ploy to slow down the process and scare low income voters.



The Facts: If Donald Duck did in fact register to vote - and by some miracle showed up on the voter rolls, the only way he would be able to vote as a newly registered voter is by showing up on election day and showing valid ID to verify he is who he say he is and lives at the address he lives at. Conducting this kind of "fraud" on a large scale would be impossible.

In Ohio the county is a rich republican leaning county where it is Republicans who are the ones raising the issue

"Greene County Sheriff Gene Fischer and representatives of County Prosecutor Stephen Haller have contacted the local Board of Elections asking for the voter registration cards of everyone who voted during the six-day window, which ended Monday.

Haller is the former law partner of Mike DeWine, the former Republican senator who is chairing presidential nominee John McCain's Ohio campaign."

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[EasyEJL]

The Facts: If Donald Duck did in fact register to vote - and by some miracle showed up on the voter rolls, the only way he would be able to vote as a newly registered voter is by showing up on election day and showing valid ID to verify he is who he say he is and lives at the address he lives at. Conducting this kind of "fraud" on a large scale would be impossible.

The Facts: Not all states require IDs. as a matter of fact, the democrats have fought long and hard to avoid this, saying it places an undue burden upon the financially disadvantaged minorities and restricts their voting rights by forcing them to pay for a state issued ID if they don't already have a drivers license. By raising the Voter Rights Act in those areas, not only could Donald Duck vote, but he could vote dozens of times and any attempts to ask for ID woudl be called racism and suppressing votes.

Also, quoting the daily kos as a reliable source is about as good as quoting limbaugh.

 

[lutherblsstt]

The Facts: Not all states require IDs. as a matter of fact, the democrats have fought long and hard to avoid this, saying it places an undue burden upon the financially disadvantaged minorities and restricts their voting rights by forcing them to pay for a state issued ID if they don't already have a drivers license. By raising the Voter Rights Act in those areas, not only could Donald Duck vote, but he could vote dozens of times and any attempts to ask for ID woudl be called racism and suppressing votes.

Also, quoting the daily kos as a reliable source is about as good as quoting limbaugh.

The thanks ACORN receives for registering millions of new voters that nobody else has bothered with, and for notifying officials about questionable registration forms when they turn them in, is that the GOP's democracy-hating propagandists and election officials run to the media shouting, "ACORN is committing voter fraud! They've turned in hundreds and thousands of fraudulent registration forms!"

Of course they have. They have to. By law. But what those GOP despots of democracy always forget to mention is that it was ACORN themselves who notified officials about the potentially fraudulent and/or incomplete forms in the first place!...


Due to their success in registering voters, ACORN has long been a strawman target for the GOP. In 2004, for example, just days before the Presidential election, the wingnut media even went so far as to falsely report that the group had registered a terrorist to vote in Ohio.

For the quickest idea of how the GOP ACORN scam has run amok again this year, as dutifully forwarded by the often clueless corporate media, and then the rightwing wankers in the blogosphere who are only to happy to help enable those who are lying to them --- by putting truth, democracy and country second --- take a look at the following game of rightwing "blogosphere telephone" concerning a recent news conference called by a Lake County, Indiana, GOP chair in order to sound the phony alarm about "fraud" committed by ACORN...

10/2/08: Northwest Indiana Times files a report headlined "County rejects large number of invalid voter registrations." The article reports on a news conference held by the Lake County, IN, Republican Party chairman, John Curley, who claims "fraudulent applications are the workings of ACORN groups operating from Milwaukee and Chicago who are getting out the vote for Obama." Curley notes "one registration form was filled out in the name and address of Jimmy John's, a Crown Point fast-food outlet," and other problem registration forms. He says that county election officials were able to "weed out obviously invalid applications," but neither the reporter, nor apparently Curley, bother to note that ACORN had already informed the officials about the questionable "Jimmy John's" registration when they turned it in, along with the other separately flagged registration forms.

10/5/08: Susan Duclos at DigitalJournal.com files an article, linking back to the Times story, headlined "More Dead, Underage And Fictitious Voter Registrations in Indiana, From ACORN", in which the uncurious blogger describes ACORN as "in the news in multiple cities across America lately for filing voter registrations for people that were dead, underage and in some cases duplicate filings." She charges "many people that should be able to legitimately vote, might not be able to because ACORN members 'delivered incomplete registrations.'" She fails to note that even "incomplete registrations" must be turned in to officials --- by law.

10/6/08: Some yutz at Newsvine, then links back to Duclos with the headine "Obama and Acorn Register Dead Voters in Indiana," virtually charging Obama himself with personally voting thousands of times, using the names of dead people, or some such nonsense. Thankfully, that story has been "removed by the Newsvine community," who must have been smart enough to see it for the bullshit that it was, since I originally saw it yesterday. But not without the damage already being done, of course.

That's just one of the smallest examples of how this works. Add to it the unchecked megaphones of Rush, Drudge, Hannity, Fox, and the democracy-haters are off and running, and have their strategy for chaos, purged voters, long lines at the polls, and post-election challenges all lined up last November. Add the Bush Dept. of Justice to it, and friendly local and state cops, and you get the PR bonanza in Las Vegas, where the "ACORN Raid," substantiated or not, was second only to the Presidential debate in the headlines .

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Also, quoting the daily kos as a reliable source is about as good as quoting limbaugh.

:lol:

What it even better is he uses an article from Cynthia Tucker as well.

I don't think you could get 2 more leftist sources.


Can you have negative credibility? :lol:


I think Jayhawkk said it best:


"He writes his opinion in a very neat package but there's little more to it than "racism, rascism, racism!""

Its not really neat. Its more like sugar covered bloviating. The ultimate apologist to all things racial...as long as its against whitey.


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Luther?

 

[Dwight Schrute]

All day the mainstream news has been reporting the so-called Voter Fraud on the part of ACORN that has registered over 1.2 million people to vote in low income areas of the country.

THE FACTS:

Recent Fraud

State Year Details
AR 1998 A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.

CO 2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.
2004 An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times.

CT 2008 The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud.

FL 2008 Election officials in Brevard County have given prosecutors more than 23 suspect registrations from ACORN. The state's Division of Elections is also investigating complaints in Orange and Broward Counties.
2004 A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations.

IN 2008 Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant.

MI 2008 Clerks in Detroit found a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent [voter] applications" from the Michigan branch of ACORN. Those applications have been turned over to the U.S. Attorney's office for investigation.
2004 The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.

MO 2008 Nearly 400 ACORN-submitted registrations in Kansas City have been rejected due to duplication or fake information.
2007 Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.
2006 Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.
2003 Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally.

MN 2004 During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed.

NC 2008 County elections officials have sent suspicious voter registration applications to the state Board of Elections. Many of the applications had similar or identical names, but with different addresses or dates of birth.
2004 North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards.

NM 2008 Prosecutors are investigating more than 1,100 ACORN-submitted voter registration cards after a county clerk found them to be fraudulent. Many of the cards included duplicate names and slightly altered personal information.
2005 Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”
2004 An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.

NV 2008 Nevada state authorities raided ACORN's Las Vegas headquarters as part of a task force investigation of election fraud. Fraudulent registrations included players from the Dallas Cowboys.

OH 2008 ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards.
2007 A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties.
2004 A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group.

PA 2008 State election officials have thrown out 57,435 voter registrations, the majority of which were submitted by ACORN. The registrations were thrown out after officials found "clearly fraudulent" signatures, vacant lots listed as addresses, and other signs of fraud.
2008 An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.
2004 Reading’s Director of Elections received calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was “absolutely out of hand,” and added: “Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations.” The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.

TX 2008 In Harris County, nearly 10,000 ACORN-submitted registrations were found to be invalid, including many with clearly fraudulent addresses or other personal information.
2008 ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters “The signature is not my signature. It’s not even close.” His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect.

VA 2005 In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law.

In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. "Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia."

WA 2007 Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.

WI 2008 At least 33,000 ACORN-submitted registrations in Milwaukee have been called into question after it was found that the organizations had been using felons as registration workers, in violation of state election rules. Two people involved in the ongoing Wisconsin voter fraud investigation have been charged with felonies.
2004 The district attorney’s office investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.




If ACORN was doing this for white voters, Luther would be all over it.

 

[lutherblsstt]

Recent Fraud

State Year Details
AR 1998 A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.

CO 2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.
2004 An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times.

CT 2008 The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud.

FL 2008 Election officials in Brevard County have given prosecutors more than 23 suspect registrations from ACORN. The state's Division of Elections is also investigating complaints in Orange and Broward Counties.
2004 A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations.

IN 2008 Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant.

MI 2008 Clerks in Detroit found a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent [voter] applications" from the Michigan branch of ACORN. Those applications have been turned over to the U.S. Attorney's office for investigation.
2004 The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.

MO 2008 Nearly 400 ACORN-submitted registrations in Kansas City have been rejected due to duplication or fake information.
2007 Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.
2006 Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.
2003 Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally.

MN 2004 During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed.

NC 2008 County elections officials have sent suspicious voter registration applications to the state Board of Elections. Many of the applications had similar or identical names, but with different addresses or dates of birth.
2004 North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards.

NM 2008 Prosecutors are investigating more than 1,100 ACORN-submitted voter registration cards after a county clerk found them to be fraudulent. Many of the cards included duplicate names and slightly altered personal information.
2005 Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”
2004 An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.

NV 2008 Nevada state authorities raided ACORN's Las Vegas headquarters as part of a task force investigation of election fraud. Fraudulent registrations included players from the Dallas Cowboys.

OH 2008 ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards.
2007 A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties.
2004 A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group.

PA 2008 State election officials have thrown out 57,435 voter registrations, the majority of which were submitted by ACORN. The registrations were thrown out after officials found "clearly fraudulent" signatures, vacant lots listed as addresses, and other signs of fraud.
2008 An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.
2004 Reading’s Director of Elections received calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was “absolutely out of hand,” and added: “Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations.” The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.

TX 2008 In Harris County, nearly 10,000 ACORN-submitted registrations were found to be invalid, including many with clearly fraudulent addresses or other personal information.
2008 ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters “The signature is not my signature. It’s not even close.” His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect.

VA 2005 In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law.

In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. "Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia."

WA 2007 Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.

WI 2008 At least 33,000 ACORN-submitted registrations in Milwaukee have been called into question after it was found that the organizations had been using felons as registration workers, in violation of state election rules. Two people involved in the ongoing Wisconsin voter fraud investigation have been charged with felonies.
2004 The district attorney’s office investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.




If ACORN was doing this for white voters, Luther would be all over it.

ACORN Statement from Bertha Lewis, Interim Chief Organizer, on Incident in Las Vegas:

"Over the past year, ACORN has worked hard to help over 80,000 people in Clark County register to vote. As part of our nonpartisan voter registration program, we have review all the applications submitted by our canvassers. When we have identified suspicious applications, we have separated them out and flagged them for election officials. We have zero tolerance for fraudulent registrations. We immediately dismiss employees we suspect of submitting fraudulent registrations.

For the past 10 months, any time ACORN has identified a potentially fraudulent application, we turn that application into election officials separately and offer to provide election officials with the information they would need to pursue an investigation or prosecution of the individual.

Election officials routinely ignored this information and failed to act. In early July, ACORN asked to meet with election officials to express our concerns that they were not acting on information ACORN had presented to them. ACORN met with Clark County elections officials and a representative of the Secretary of State on July 17th. ACORN pleaded with them to take our concerns about fraudulent applications seriously. One week later, elections officials asked us to provide them with a second copy of what we had previously provided to them. ACORN responded by giving election officials copies of 46 "problem application packages," which involved 33 former canvassers.

On September 23, ACORN had received a subpoena dated September 19th requesting information on 15 employees, all of whom had been included in the packages we had previously submitted to election officials. ACORN provided our personnel records on these 15 employees on September 29.

Today's raid by the Secretary of State's Office is a stunt that serves no useful purpose other than discredit our work registering Nevadans and distracting us from the important work ahead of getting every eligible voter to the polls."



And in regard to Indiana, from an ACORN spokesperson earlier today...

The Republican Party is trying to use this attack to stop early voting from happening and disenfranchise tens of thousands of Lake County residents.
ACORN has submitted 1.3 million applications nationally and over 23,000 in Indiana.

ACORN engages in comprehensive quality control procedures, every card is called through three times.

ACORN flags and turns in three kinds of cards, those that it can verify, those that are incomplete, and those that it flags as problematic. It turns those in labeled in a special way and are very conservative in terms of what it flags as problematic. It has stacks of problematic cover sheets.

The Lake County Board of Elections refused to acknowledge the categories of cards when ACORN turned them in, or sign its paperwork. The Lake County Board knew about the questionable registrations today because ACORN flagged them for the board. For example, the Jimmy John's card is one that a caller had flagged and labeled as problematic. ACORN can get that caller to talk to the press.

ACORN did Voter Registration from in July and some parts of August. As it was doing quality control ACORN noticed a large number of problematic cards and because of this it eased doing registration until late September when it could clear its quality control backlog.

ACORN's recent cards from September and early October are not problematic at the same levels.

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President orders DOJ to investigate Ohio voters - AFTER Supreme Court says it is not a problem
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States appearing to break laws by disenfranchising tens of thousands of voters
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By the way,I am white.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

ACORN Statement from Bertha Lewis, Interim Chief Organizer, on Incident in Las Vegas:

"Over the past year, ACORN has worked hard to help over 80,000 people in Clark County register to vote. As part of our nonpartisan voter registration program,

I had to stop reading to clear the tears from eyes due to laughing so hard.

When we have identified suspicious applications, we have separated them out and flagged them for election officials.

You mean after the press found them, you separate them.

We have zero tolerance for fraudulent registrations. We immediately dismiss employees we suspect of submitting fraudulent registrations.

Only if we get caught...

For the past 10 months, any time ACORN has identified a potentially fraudulent application, we turn that application into election officials separately and offer to provide election officials with the information they would need to pursue an investigation or prosecution of the individual.

Correction...once the press identify potentially fraudulent applications we turn the applications over.

Election officials routinely ignored this information and failed to act.

Funny as its the election officials that bring the issue to the press.

Today's raid by the Secretary of State's Office is a stunt that serves no useful purpose other than discredit our work registering Nevadans and distracting us from the important work ahead of getting every eligible name, fake or not, to the polls."

Fixed.

And in regard to Indiana, from an ACORN spokesperson earlier today...

The Republican Party is trying to use this attack to stop early voting from happening and disenfranchise tens of thousands of Lake County residents.
ACORN has submitted 1.3 million applications nationally and over 23,000 in Indiana.

Well of course, Whitey is trying to suppress the vote. I mean they probably have gone through all these applicants and determined which ones are white, and which ones are not. :lol:

ACORN engages in comprehensive quality control procedures, every card is called through three times.

Tony Romo and Terrell Owens simply weren't home....in Las Vegas :lol:

It has stacks of problematic cover sheets.

Well I'm sure they do since they hire people to create them!!!! :lol:

President orders DOJ to investigate Ohio voters - AFTER Supreme Court says it is not a problem
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Voter Fraudster Arrested - Hired by the Republican Party
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States appearing to break laws by disenfranchising tens of thousands of voters
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Ah...ok..you want to selectively find ones that condemn Republicans and Republicans only. I'll do the opposite so everyone can get a nice clear picture of what I already told you 3 pages ago but your bias seems to filter out....everyone does it do further their PARTY.


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Philly man charged in ACORN fraud case.

Jemar Barksdale, 34, of Chester has been arraigned on 108 counts, including forgery, theft and records tampering.

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Felony charges filed against 7 in state's biggest case of voter-registration fraud

"Ladies and gentlemen, this is the worst case of voter-registration fraud in the history of the state of Washington. There has been nothing comparable to this,"




I like this one as its so hypocritical so I'll post the full article. Its own MEMBERS are alleging criminal activity...:lol:


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Ousted ACORN members seek federal criminal investigation

By David M. Brown
TRIBUNE-REVIEW



A group of dissident members is seeking a federal investigation of ACORN for alleged criminal violations stemming from an embezzlement scandal that rocked the organization last year.

The splinter group, ACORN 8, released a 24-page document Wednesday that asks federal investigators to consider fraud, embezzlement and conspiracy charges, and criminal civil rights violations relating to the embezzlement of nearly $1 million from the nonprofit's accounts and an alleged cover-up of the theft for almost a decade.

"Moreover, due to the admission that a felony has been committed, other federal offenses may have also been committed ... ," states the document signed by 14 members of ACORN 8, including recently expelled members of ACORN's national board of directors.




The embezzlement and accusations of voter registration fraud in at least eight states, including Pennsylvania, have cost ACORN -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- the support of a benefactor that gave the activist group $7 million in the past decade.

The ACORN 8 complaint alleges violation of the civil rights of board members who sought to investigate the embezzlement and subsequently were removed from the board.

The action stems from a bitter dispute within ACORN since disclosure in June that Dale Rathke, brother of ACORN co-founder and former Chief Organizer Wade Rathke, embezzled $948,000.

ACORN officials last year announced a settlement agreement to recoup the money. No criminal charges resulted.

Rift with national office

ACORN 8 members, however, claim the embezzlement was symptomatic of deeper problems. Top staff and members of the board's executive committee have stymied internal efforts to reform ACORN and open its operations, they maintain.

"We're trying to officially ring the bell by notifying federal authorities," said Michael McCray, a civil rights attorney and member of ACORN's Washington branch who supports ACORN 8.

ACORN 8 members delivered the complaint to U.S. Attorneys' offices in several states and the District of Columbia, seeking an investigation into the 38-year-old activist organization based on information detailed in the document, McCray said.

"We're not trying to destroy ACORN. We love ACORN, but it needs to be reformed," McCray said. "Members have to take control of ACORN and try to get it back on the right track."

A spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's office in Dayton, Ohio, confirmed that an ACORN 8 representative presented a complaint, which was referred to the FBI.

Scott Levenson, ACORN's national spokesman, didn't respond to a request for comment.

Levenson has described ACORN 8 as an effort led by "two renegade former members of the board" who decided "for their own reason they were going to take matters into their own hands."

"Obviously, no board can operate that way. That's the crux of the matter," Levenson told the Tribune-Review last month.

Two members of ACORN's national board of directors, Washington ACORN President Marcel Reid and Minnesota Chair Karen Inman, inadvertently started the ACORN 8 movement after fellow board members elected them last summer to reorganize ACORN and recommend improvements to prevent embezzlement.

Reid, Inman and six other ACORN members filed a lawsuit in Louisiana seeking access to financial records kept by Citizens Consulting Inc., the ACORN affiliate Dale Rathke headed when he stole money.

Most of ACORN's 51-member board of directors, however, decided to drop the lawsuit.

Internal wrangling

After Reid, Inman and others continued to seek a court decision, ACORN's executive board removed Inman and Reid from the national board. Subsequently, Inman and Reid were notified they no longer are ACORN members.

The executive committee, after consulting state and local boards, voted unanimously to remove Reid and Inman because their actions -- such as releasing a confidential legal memo to the press -- were "damaging the organization," Levenson said.

Reid was banned from entering ACORN's D.C. office. She and members of her local board meet in a private residence, said Reid, an ACORN member for nearly 10 years.

"I was attracted to the mission of ACORN to help people, to alleviate poverty," Reid said. "We asked to see the books because the promissory note indicated a theft had occurred. They played games with us."

Inman, a retired school teacher who lives in St. Paul, Minn., became a dues-paying ACORN member about four years ago when an ACORN worker knocked on her door and sang the praises of the group's work.

Charles Turner, a member of ACORN in D.C. for 10 years and signer of the ACORN 8 complaint, said that "everybody who knew about the embezzlement, or was in a position that they should have known about it, should be separated from ACORN."

"I'd like to see somebody go to jail," Turner said.

Discovering problems

ACORN's board learned about the stolen money in June, about eight years after Wade Rathke learned that Dale Rathke, who was in charge of keeping ACORN's books, misappropriated the money. Wade Rathke negotiated a settlement with top ACORN managers, agreeing that the Rathke family would restore $30,000 a year until the money was repaid.

The family repaid about $210,000 by June, when information leaked about the embezzlement and news of the scandal broke in The New York Times. An ACORN donor reportedly repaid the balance.

Dale Rathke was fired from ACORN in May. Directors in June voted to fire Wade Rathke, although he negotiated a deal to remain chief organizer of ACORN International, an affiliate organization then based in the same New Orleans office with ACORN and its many subsidiaries.

The embezzlement resulted in ACORN's loss of one long-standing prominent benefactor -- the Catholic Campaign for Human Development, which gave ACORN more than $7 million in the past decade. The charity canceled plans to donate $1.2 million to ACORN affiliates this fiscal year. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in November severed ties with ACORN.

ACORN and its affiliates received more than $31 million in federal grants between 1998 and this year, according to an analysis by the staff of House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio. Boehner called for an end to federal grants to ACORN and its affiliates, pending investigations into voter registration fraud allegations.

Voter registration concerns

ACORN is being investigated in Pennsylvania and several other states on accusations of filing fraudulent voter registration forms.

Criminal charges could result from nearly 100 fraudulent voter registrations submitted in the Pittsburgh area, including some from ACORN employees, according to the Allegheny County District Attorney's office. Mike Manko, a spokesman for District Attorney Stephen A. Zappala Jr., said the case is an "active investigation" involving county police and the FBI.

ACORN has chapters in 110 cities and 40 states. The group boasts it represents about 400,000 members. It completed a massive registration drive this year in poor and working-class neighborhoods, which tend to vote Democratic, across 21 states, signing up more than 1 million voters.

By the way,I am white.

Sorry..my bad. Here you go. :lol:


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[Wilderbeast]

Obama wants to socialize our society. His policies hes adopted so far show what he's really about. His main goal is to redistribute wealth. I think it's hilarious how soo many people think it's racist to talk about re-distribution of wealth. Also, not rant but Mr. Obama.. re-distribution of wealth has been tried by many different countries in many different eras ... and it's NEVER worked. I'm glad he thinks he's so special that he can make an outrageously flawed ludacris social policy work under his administration where countless others have failed.

Back to the race issue with re-distribution of wealth... All of you hardworking, tax paying, law abiding black and minority citizens out there ... What do you think about Obama taking your hard earned money and giving it to lazy ass white people?

BEAST

 

[Jayhawkk]

Man you two have much more patience than I when it comes to quote-fu. I just can't keep up with that

 

[Wilderbeast]

Oh god ACORN. What to say about acorn. Well for all of you out there who think those evil republicans have been rigging elections for years, look no further than the largest single corrupt organization involved in politics today -- ACORN.

I think it's great that an organization is actively moving citizens to participate in the electoral process ... especially targeting those demographics who will likely or even blindly vote democratically ... this is a TRUELY GENIOUS plan ... I can't believe no one ever thought of it before ... oh wait that's right ACORN did it in 2008... my bad.

 

[lutherblsstt]

Obama wants to socialize our society. His policies hes adopted so far show what he's really about. His main goal is to redistribute wealth. I think it's hilarious how soo many people think it's racist to talk about re-distribution of wealth. Also, not rant but Mr. Obama.. re-distribution of wealth has been tried by many different countries in many different eras ... and it's NEVER worked. I'm glad he thinks he's so special that he can make an outrageously flawed ludacris social policy work under his administration where countless others have failed.

Back to the race issue with re-distribution of wealth... All of you hardworking, tax paying, law abiding black and minority citizens out there ... What do you think about Obama taking your hard earned money and giving it to lazy ass white people?

BEAST

I agree about the detrimental effects of the redistribution of wealth,that has nothing to do with racism,it is just bad policy.

 

[lutherblsstt]

I had to stop reading to clear the tears from eyes due to laughing so hard.




You mean after the press found them, you separate them.



Only if we get caught...




Correction...once the press identify potentially fraudulent applications we turn the applications over.




Funny as its the election officials that bring the issue to the press.








Fixed.








Well of course, Whitey is trying to suppress the vote. I mean they probably have gone through all these applicants and determined which ones are white, and which ones are not. :lol:



Tony Romo and Terrell Owens simply weren't home....in Las Vegas :lol:




Well I'm sure they do since they hire people to create them!!!! :lol:










Ah...ok..you want to selectively find ones that condemn Republicans and Republicans only. I'll do the opposite so everyone can get a nice clear picture of what I already told you 3 pages ago but your bias seems to filter out....everyone does it do further their PARTY.


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Philly man charged in ACORN fraud case.

Jemar Barksdale, 34, of Chester has been arraigned on 108 counts, including forgery, theft and records tampering.

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Felony charges filed against 7 in state's biggest case of voter-registration fraud

"Ladies and gentlemen, this is the worst case of voter-registration fraud in the history of the state of Washington. There has been nothing comparable to this,"




I like this one as its so hypocritical so I'll post the full article. Its own MEMBERS are alleging criminal activity...:lol:


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Ousted ACORN members seek federal criminal investigation

By David M. Brown
TRIBUNE-REVIEW



A group of dissident members is seeking a federal investigation of ACORN for alleged criminal violations stemming from an embezzlement scandal that rocked the organization last year.

The splinter group, ACORN 8, released a 24-page document Wednesday that asks federal investigators to consider fraud, embezzlement and conspiracy charges, and criminal civil rights violations relating to the embezzlement of nearly $1 million from the nonprofit's accounts and an alleged cover-up of the theft for almost a decade.

"Moreover, due to the admission that a felony has been committed, other federal offenses may have also been committed ... ," states the document signed by 14 members of ACORN 8, including recently expelled members of ACORN's national board of directors.




The embezzlement and accusations of voter registration fraud in at least eight states, including Pennsylvania, have cost ACORN -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- the support of a benefactor that gave the activist group $7 million in the past decade.

The ACORN 8 complaint alleges violation of the civil rights of board members who sought to investigate the embezzlement and subsequently were removed from the board.

The action stems from a bitter dispute within ACORN since disclosure in June that Dale Rathke, brother of ACORN co-founder and former Chief Organizer Wade Rathke, embezzled $948,000.

ACORN officials last year announced a settlement agreement to recoup the money. No criminal charges resulted.

Rift with national office

ACORN 8 members, however, claim the embezzlement was symptomatic of deeper problems. Top staff and members of the board's executive committee have stymied internal efforts to reform ACORN and open its operations, they maintain.

"We're trying to officially ring the bell by notifying federal authorities," said Michael McCray, a civil rights attorney and member of ACORN's Washington branch who supports ACORN 8.

ACORN 8 members delivered the complaint to U.S. Attorneys' offices in several states and the District of Columbia, seeking an investigation into the 38-year-old activist organization based on information detailed in the document, McCray said.

"We're not trying to destroy ACORN. We love ACORN, but it needs to be reformed," McCray said. "Members have to take control of ACORN and try to get it back on the right track."

A spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's office in Dayton, Ohio, confirmed that an ACORN 8 representative presented a complaint, which was referred to the FBI.

Scott Levenson, ACORN's national spokesman, didn't respond to a request for comment.

Levenson has described ACORN 8 as an effort led by "two renegade former members of the board" who decided "for their own reason they were going to take matters into their own hands."

"Obviously, no board can operate that way. That's the crux of the matter," Levenson told the Tribune-Review last month.

Two members of ACORN's national board of directors, Washington ACORN President Marcel Reid and Minnesota Chair Karen Inman, inadvertently started the ACORN 8 movement after fellow board members elected them last summer to reorganize ACORN and recommend improvements to prevent embezzlement.

Reid, Inman and six other ACORN members filed a lawsuit in Louisiana seeking access to financial records kept by Citizens Consulting Inc., the ACORN affiliate Dale Rathke headed when he stole money.

Most of ACORN's 51-member board of directors, however, decided to drop the lawsuit.

Internal wrangling

After Reid, Inman and others continued to seek a court decision, ACORN's executive board removed Inman and Reid from the national board. Subsequently, Inman and Reid were notified they no longer are ACORN members.

The executive committee, after consulting state and local boards, voted unanimously to remove Reid and Inman because their actions -- such as releasing a confidential legal memo to the press -- were "damaging the organization," Levenson said.

Reid was banned from entering ACORN's D.C. office. She and members of her local board meet in a private residence, said Reid, an ACORN member for nearly 10 years.

"I was attracted to the mission of ACORN to help people, to alleviate poverty," Reid said. "We asked to see the books because the promissory note indicated a theft had occurred. They played games with us."

Inman, a retired school teacher who lives in St. Paul, Minn., became a dues-paying ACORN member about four years ago when an ACORN worker knocked on her door and sang the praises of the group's work.

Charles Turner, a member of ACORN in D.C. for 10 years and signer of the ACORN 8 complaint, said that "everybody who knew about the embezzlement, or was in a position that they should have known about it, should be separated from ACORN."

"I'd like to see somebody go to jail," Turner said.

Discovering problems

ACORN's board learned about the stolen money in June, about eight years after Wade Rathke learned that Dale Rathke, who was in charge of keeping ACORN's books, misappropriated the money. Wade Rathke negotiated a settlement with top ACORN managers, agreeing that the Rathke family would restore $30,000 a year until the money was repaid.

The family repaid about $210,000 by June, when information leaked about the embezzlement and news of the scandal broke in The New York Times. An ACORN donor reportedly repaid the balance.

Dale Rathke was fired from ACORN in May. Directors in June voted to fire Wade Rathke, although he negotiated a deal to remain chief organizer of ACORN International, an affiliate organization then based in the same New Orleans office with ACORN and its many subsidiaries.

The embezzlement resulted in ACORN's loss of one long-standing prominent benefactor -- the Catholic Campaign for Human Development, which gave ACORN more than $7 million in the past decade. The charity canceled plans to donate $1.2 million to ACORN affiliates this fiscal year. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in November severed ties with ACORN.

ACORN and its affiliates received more than $31 million in federal grants between 1998 and this year, according to an analysis by the staff of House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio. Boehner called for an end to federal grants to ACORN and its affiliates, pending investigations into voter registration fraud allegations.

Voter registration concerns

ACORN is being investigated in Pennsylvania and several other states on accusations of filing fraudulent voter registration forms.

Criminal charges could result from nearly 100 fraudulent voter registrations submitted in the Pittsburgh area, including some from ACORN employees, according to the Allegheny County District Attorney's office. Mike Manko, a spokesman for District Attorney Stephen A. Zappala Jr., said the case is an "active investigation" involving county police and the FBI.

ACORN has chapters in 110 cities and 40 states. The group boasts it represents about 400,000 members. It completed a massive registration drive this year in poor and working-class neighborhoods, which tend to vote Democratic, across 21 states, signing up more than 1 million voters.




Sorry..my bad. Here you go. :lol:


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Calling your political opponent a crook is normal; what is not acceptable is smearing regular people as a step ladder rung to do it, which is what the Republican Party has now reduced itself to doing.

Their smear-by-insinuation would not be complete without an active attempt to turn ACORN -- a group focused mostly on the political empowerment of African Americans -- into something akin to the Mafia.

It's the same schtick they attempted with MoveOn.org, which in its infancy was about censoring Bill Clinton and moving on from that nonsense. They succeeded to some degree with MoveOn, but the idea that they'd likewise cast perpetual criminal suspicion on ACORN because it helps the Republican Party this year is really very offensive.

ACORN is just the latest incarnation of Move On/Al Gore/John Kerry, etc... something to be destroyed because it has been presented to them as an obstacle. The fact that the organization helps people makes no difference whatsoever. How many people on the right have been quoted or paraphrased as making out that an organization called the American Civil Liberties Union, a group premised on the idea that everyone deserves a say and that everyone equally is empowered by the Constitution, is an evil, communist organization?


Again,I agree that the vote suppression (race based,party based,whathaveyou) has been done in the past by Democrats (formerly known as the Dixiecrats)as well because in the end they are two wings of the same party using the same methods.

Republocrats, Demopublicans
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[DR.D]

The problem is that no one can state the facts about this issue without being labeled a racist. So the race subject is taboo in many respects because the truth is painful, and it is easier to just label someone a racist. I could say the same thing someone of another race says, but I would be labeled a racist because I am Caucasian. ...

Man, don't believe that old bullsh!t. Even black conservatives know better than that! Tell anyone playing that taboo crap to kiss your black azz! The truth is the truth is the truth, period.

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[lutherblsstt]

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[lutherblsstt]

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[Dwight Schrute]

Calling your political opponent a crook is normal; what is not acceptable is smearing regular people as a step ladder rung to do it, which is what the Republican Party has now reduced itself to doing.

Their smear-by-insinuation would not be complete without an active attempt to turn ACORN -- a group focused mostly on the political empowerment of African Americans -- into something akin to the Mafia.

It's the same schtick they attempted with MoveOn.org, which in its infancy was about censoring Bill Clinton and moving on from that nonsense. They succeeded to some degree with MoveOn, but the idea that they'd likewise cast perpetual criminal suspicion on ACORN because it helps the Republican Party this year is really very offensive.

ACORN is just the latest incarnation of Move On/Al Gore/John Kerry, etc... something to be destroyed because it has been presented to them as an obstacle. The fact that the organization helps people makes no difference whatsoever. How many people on the right have been quoted or paraphrased as making out that an organization called the American Civil Liberties Union, a group premised on the idea that everyone deserves a say and that everyone equally is empowered by the Constitution, is an evil, communist organization?

So to paraphrase.

Republicans are criminals and racists.

ACORN is just misunderstood.



Got it.

 

[lutherblsstt]

So to paraphrase.

Republicans are criminals and racists.

ACORN is just misunderstood.



Got it.

If your intention was to oversimplify my position and miss my point entirely,you did a great job.

I admit that Democratic Dirty Tricks are also a matter of record, they prominently showed up around FDR's first election in '32, Kennedy/Nixon (Chicago) in '60 and Lyndon Johnson in '64

I also admit that the Republican party was once considered liberal and progressive, but it has been taken over by right-wing conservative con artists.



In the 2004 election there was massive GOP voter fraud and suppression; from black box voting fraud, vote tabulating fraud, re-registering people into different precincts, destroying voter registration forms, misinformation in poor neighborhoods, moving polls close to election day, old ballot machines in poor and black neighborhoods that spoil votes, ballot checking machines in wealthy neighborhoods that allow wealthy voters to re-cast spoiled ballots, police intimidation, caging lists and on and on and on.


Fund-raising group milks vulnerable senior citizens
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excerpt:

"The College Republican National Committee has raised $6.3 million this year through an aggressive and misleading fund-raising campaign that collected money from senior citizens who thought they were giving to the election efforts of President Bush and other top Republicans."

Infiltration of files seen as extensive
Senate panel's GOP staff pried on Democrats
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WASHINGTON -- Republican staff members of the US Senate Judiciary Commitee infiltrated opposition computer files for a year, monitoring secret strategy memos and periodically passing on copies to the media, Senate officials told The Globe.

For GOP, Stevens Indictment Is Latest in a String of Setbacks
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Virginia G.O.P. Director Accused of Wiretapping
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Excerpt

"The executive director of the Virginia Republican Party was indicted today on four counts of breaking the state wiretapping law by listening to Democrats discuss redistricting strategy."

 

[lutherblsstt]

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Also check out the new Bush Boys video:

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[Dwight Schrute]

If your intention was to oversimplify my position and miss my point entirely,you did a great job.

Thats because your position is very simple. Republicans suppress votes due to race (well thats what it was orginally). Its completely wrong and shows a very narrow view of politics, but its basically that simple.


As someone has already stated:

"He writes his opinion in a very neat package but there's little more to it than "racism, rascism, racism!""

So true.

I admit that Democratic Dirty Tricks are also a matter of record, they prominently showed up around FDR's first election in '32, Kennedy/Nixon (Chicago) in '60 and Lyndon Johnson in '64

I also admit that the Republican party was once considered liberal and progressive, but it has been taken over by right-wing conservative con artists.

And the Democrats have been taken over by left wing con artists. If you can't see that one, I truly feel sorry for you.

In the 2004 election there was massive GOP voter fraud and suppression; from black box voting fraud, vote tabulating fraud, re-registering people into different precincts, destroying voter registration forms, misinformation in poor neighborhoods, moving polls close to election day, old ballot machines in poor and black neighborhoods that spoil votes, ballot checking machines in wealthy neighborhoods that allow wealthy voters to re-cast spoiled ballots, police intimidation, caging lists and on and on and on.

This again? You going in circles?

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excerpt:

"The College Republican National Committee has raised $6.3 million this year through an aggressive and misleading fund-raising campaign that collected money from senior citizens who thought they were giving to the election efforts of President Bush and other top Republicans."





Infiltration of files seen as extensive
Senate panel's GOP staff pried on Democrats
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Excerpt:


WASHINGTON -- Republican staff members of the US Senate Judiciary Commitee infiltrated opposition computer files for a year, monitoring secret strategy memos and periodically passing on copies to the media, Senate officials told The Globe.

For GOP, Stevens Indictment Is Latest in a String of Setbacks
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Virginia G.O.P. Director Accused of Wiretapping
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"The executive director of the Virginia Republican Party was indicted today on four counts of breaking the state wiretapping law by listening to Democrats discuss redistricting strategy."

And your point is what? There are some corrupt Republicans??!?!!?

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Has your argument widdled down to you searching on Google for articles alleging Republicans of doing something?



If that's where you want to go, then let me know. I'll start with Obama's cabinet.




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[Dwight Schrute]

Man, don't believe that old bullsh!t. Even black conservatives know better than that! Tell anyone playing that taboo crap to kiss your black azz! The truth is the truth is the truth, period.

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Republicans brainwashed him. Can't you see that? :lol:

 

[lutherblsstt]

Thats because your position is very simple. Republicans suppress votes due to race (well thats what it was orginally). Its completely wrong and shows a very narrow view of politics, but its basically that simple.


As someone has already stated:

"He writes his opinion in a very neat package but there's little more to it than "racism, rascism, racism!""

So true.




And the Democrats have been taken over by left wing con artists. If you can't see that one, I truly feel sorry for you.



This again? You going in circles?





And your point is what? There are some corrupt Republicans??!?!!?

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Has your argument widdled down to you searching on Google for articles alleging Republicans of doing something?



If that's where you want to go, then let me know. I'll start with Obama's cabinet.




:laugh:

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[Dwight Schrute]

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Good entertainment...here is some more


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"I decided to come back and vote a couple times"

:lol:

 

[lutherblsstt]

More than any other tactic, systemic suppression of the Black and Latino vote is central
to preserving a Republican majority in state and national politics.

Again,several Republican whistle blowers have come to the fore, most
prominently former US District Attorney David Iglesias of New Mexico,
with evidence that the White House demanded spurious prosecutions to
lower black and brown turnout.




Voter Suppression Documented
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[lutherblsstt]

Good entertainment...here is some more


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"I decided to come back and vote a couple times"

:lol:

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[Dwight Schrute]

More than any other tactic, systemic suppression of the Black and Latino vote is central
to preserving a Republican majority in state and national politics.

Republicans don't even hold power in cities and states where African American vote actually means anything. Can you tell me where the bastions of Republican power is held in New York, Chicago, LA, Philly, Cleveland, etc? The Northeast? The West?

Republicans win by getting their base to vote and appealing to more than anything, women.

There is a reason Palin was on the ticket...appeal to white women as well as evangelicals.


According to polling data guess who didn't show up as much as they did in 2004? White people.

Again,several Republican whistle blowers have come to the fore, most
prominently former US District Attorney David Iglesias of New Mexico,
with evidence that the White House demanded spurious prosecutions to
lower black and brown turnout.

Well as you can see form the videos I showed, some of them deserved prosecution. But I guess a black man voting several times is ok with you....

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I know its documented. I showed you a video of the guy actually doing it.

Just in case you missed it the first time.


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Ron Jones. God Bless you.

:lol:

 

[searl12]

i think this whole thing is a crock. its easy to point the finger back 200 years into history and say "see what you did", yet the same community won't point the fingers back at their tribal chiefs who sold them in the first place, nor do they have any inclination to move back to the "motherland".

the african american culture also now has more liberties than caucasian.

the day i see:
aryan college fund
white entertainment television
the death of racial quotas in government

i will retract my statement.

hopefully a black president will break those barriers down, which is why i voted that way.

Somewhat off topic, but if you think about this it makes sense
Man I couldnt agree with you more. In Canada we are overflowing with multi culturalism as we need immigrants to feed our labour shortages, Now I have absolutely no problem with any man or women coming to my country, starting a family, paying taxes, being productive citizens. What my problem is, is that half the time we end up simply getting other countries drug dealers, low lifes, gang bangers and str8 up scumbags. So they mess up their countries and then decide to come to mine and mess it up the same. I knwo this is slightly off topic, but why are they given grants to start up a business just because their immigrants. yet i've lived here my whole life and I dont get a free start up grant. Basaically one's country should look after their own, before accepting the rest of the worlds problems! and my future wife is an immigrant, so are her parents, they both work 2 jobs and have never once missed a payment on anything. I more than welcome people like that into my country with open arms. Im just tired of walking outside and seeing scumbags who look at me like Im the minority, like Im the problem, yet they cant even speak english or pay taxes. Just my.02, take care of your own before you take care of the rest of the world problems. For another examply too, America spends billions of dollars on 2 wars, and the people who they are trying to help dont appreciate the sacrifice and financial burden one ****in bit. All the poor young American and Canadians ( in Afghanistan ) who have died for ungrateful middle eastern people. All that money spent could take every homeless person off the streets, re educated, reintegrated into society, yet it's spent on ungrateful arab people who would cut all our heads off just to pplease their Non existend god.

I know Im ranting ,It just doesnt make sense, so many of our own do without, but we still keep giving and accepting ungrateful people.

Just my .02 and maybe I am somewhat racist, I just know where I live, when I walk outside I'm the minority in my own country.

 

[lutherblsstt]

Republicans don't even hold power in cities and states where African American vote actually means anything. Can you tell me where the bastions of Republican power is held in New York, Chicago, LA, Philly, Cleveland, etc? The Northeast? The West?

Republicans win by getting their base to vote and appealing to more than anything, women.

There is a reason Palin was on the ticket...appeal to white women as well as evangelicals.


According to polling data guess who didn't show up as much as they did in 2004? White people.






Well as you can see form the videos I showed, some of them deserved prosecution. But I guess a black man voting several times is ok with you....






I know its documented. I showed you a video of the guy actually doing it.

Just in case you missed it the first time.


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Ron Jones. God Bless you.

:lol:

Greg Palast destroys the ACORN voter fraud myth

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Also see:

Drinking the ACORN Kool-Aid: How Cries of Voter Fraud Cover Up GOP Elections Theft


"While the Republicans had the distracted media searching for links between Obama and ACORN, RNC operatives were busily completing one of the most massive voter suppression and purging efforts in American history, stealing hundreds of thousands of Democratic votes across the embattled swing states and striving to arrange chaos and endless lines at the voting booths next week.

First the facts about ACORN.

Months ago, we obtained, as part of our investigation for Rolling Stone magazine, the Republican's list the GOP alleged were the very worst cases of vote and registration fraud by ACORN and similar groups. We went through the names the GOP asserted were "obviously, undeniably and clearly fraudulent" voter registrations.

First, there was Melissa Tais, a dubious ACORN registrant. Her two voter registration forms show, admittedly, suspiciously different signatures. Republicans suggested Melissa was part of a massive fraud to allow Democrats to vote twice.

They were wrong. Ms. Tais, a Cerrillos, New Mexico, waitress, told us she had signed one form on a table and one form holding the paper in her hand. Hence, a second, wobbly signature.

Then there was Patricia White, who Republicans claimed was a fictitious voter. When we filmed her at home in Albuquerque, she seemed real enough.

And so on, through the entire GOP list -- not one fraud. And these were their best cases out of the five million "illegal voters" who Republican leaders claim have infiltrated America's voting rolls.

The overblown histrionics about ACORN do not surprise those of us who have been watching the RNC's election manipulation antics. For eight years White House operatives have been trying to gin up press stories about voter fraud. David Iglesias of New Mexico was one of seven U.S. Attorneys fired by the White House for their refusal to bring voter fraud prosecutions. "We took over 100 complaints," from the GOP, he told us, "We investigated for almost 2 years, I didn't find one prosecutable voter fraud case in the entire state of New Mexico."

Iglesias, a McCain supporter, has, for the first time, leveled a new and serious charge: Despite finding none of the 200 voters guilty, he says the White House nevertheless ordered him to illegally prosecute baseless cases against innocent citizens, just to gin up voter fraud publicity. His refusal, he says, cost him his job. "They were looking for politicized -- for improperly politicized US attorneys to file bogus voter fraud cases."

Certainly ACORN collected some bad signatures. But despite McCain's claims, now morphed into media theology, none of ACORN's actions will have any impact on any election. ACORN hired 13,000 canvassers to register new voters. A small number of these workers defrauded ACORN by handing in phony registration forms using names they had invented (e.g. Mickey Mouse), or copied from phone books. In one case ACORN canvassers used cigarettes to bribe a homeless man, now a Fox News regular, to register 17 times. None of these activities constituted voter fraud. It is no crime to register 17 times; only the final registration counts. His multiple registrations would not allow the tobacco lover to vote 17 times. Nor is there any evidence the phone book registrants will cast multiple ballots.

Finally, the removal by GOP officials of hundreds of thousands of legitimate voters from voting rolls over the past year provides ACORN with a sound rationale for obtaining new registrations, even from voters who believe they are already registered.

ACORN took pains to screen its registrations and cull out those it considered dubious. However, federal laws make it a felony for voter registration groups like ACORN to discard registrations even when it believes them fraudulent. So ACORN flagged the forms it considered doubtful and handed them in to the registry. Ironically, it was those flagged forms -- the fruits of ACORN's diligence -- that have been flogged by Republicans as their best evidence of widespread election fraud.

Voter fraud is a phantom according to Lorraine Minnite, an expert on voting crime at Columbia University. Only 24 cases of federal voter fraud have been uncovered between 2002 and 2005 despite massive government efforts devoted to uncovering evidence of a voter fraud crime wave.


The GOP is ginning up hysteria about non-existent vote fraud by Democrats in order to distract the press from its own campaign to disenfranchise millions of American voters.

The Republicans have created an obstacle course of barriers designed to suppress the vote, purge tens of thousands of Democratic voters from voting rolls, create mayhem and delay at voting venues on Election Day, and stop millions of votes from being counted this election cycle.

Jailed GOP activist Jack Abramoff and his fellow convict, Congressman Bob Ney, wrote the most sinister provisions of the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) which Congress passed in 2002 creating a series of diabolically cunning new voting impediments. HAVA, for example, allows state voting officials to purge tens of thousands of voters from the polls using algorithms and voter ID requirements that disproportionately disenfranchise black, Hispanic and minority voters, and other Democratic demographics including senior citizens and young people.

In 2004, highly organized GOP tacticians helped disenfranchise no less than 2.7 million American voters. Almost a million of them were African Americans. The The Federal Elections Commission has found black voters were nine times more likely to have their votes discarded than white voters and that over one-third of the million provisional ballots cast in 2004 -- ballots handed disproportionately to African Americans -- were never counted but simply thrown into dumpsters.

In a technique known as "caging" RNC operatives send millions of first class letters to black voters across the country marked 'do not forward.' Republican operatives armed with lists then invade black precincts on Election Day to challenge those voters whose letters were returned to the RNC because the voter was not home when the mail arrived. That tactic deliberately targeted black students on vacation in August, homeless men and soldiers posted overseas. "Caging" is resurrecting Old Dixie's Jim Crow procedures designed to rid the lists of black voters and create long lines in black precincts.

In this election, new HAVA mandates permit voting officials to precisely match registration form information with the voter's driver's license and other government records. While it may sound reasonable, in practice, any change, even a dropped hyphen, is cause for eliminating the voter from the rolls. Since 2004, Colorado's Republican Secretaries of State have purged one out of every five voters from the rolls. The current Secretary of State, Mike Coffman, a Republican also running for office, recently purged an additional 37,000 voters and discarded 6,400 new voter registrations -- overwhelmingly Democratic -- based upon an obscure technical mistake that Coffman's office encouraged voters to make in the first place.

The GOP "anti-fraud" campaign resulted in one in nine New Mexico Democratic voters finding their names had disappeared from voter roles during this year's caucus.

Despite a recent Supreme Court decision upholding Ohio's refusal to disenfranchise 200,000 legitimate voters based on this absurd demand to "match" voter names to databases, White House operatives are still fighting to purge these names from the rolls. President George Bush last week personally asked his Attorney General Mike Mukasey to renew Republican efforts to disenfranchise these voters.

Contrary to Mr. McCain's assertions, the real threat to democracy is from the GOP itself. ACORN has served as a good distraction from Republican efforts to steal the vote from hundreds of thousands of legitimate voters, a genuine threat that has received almost no media attention."

 

[lutherblsstt]

i think this whole thing is a crock. its easy to point the finger back 200 years into history and say "see what you did", yet the same community won't point the fingers back at their tribal chiefs who sold them in the first place, nor do they have any inclination to move back to the "motherland".

the african american culture also now has more liberties than caucasian.

the day i see:
aryan college fund
white entertainment television
the death of racial quotas in government

i will retract my statement.

hopefully a black president will break those barriers down, which is why i voted that way.

According to a national study by the General Accounting Office, less than four percent of scholarship money in the U.S. is represented by awards that consider race as a factor at all, while only 0.25 percent (that's one quarter of one percent for the math challenged) of all undergrad scholarship dollars come from awards that are restricted to persons of color alone .

In other words, whites are fully capable of competing for and receiving any of the other monies--roughly 99.75 percent of all the bucks out there for college.

What's more, the idea that large numbers of students of color receive the benefits of race-based scholarships--something that is often supposed, usually with an unhealthy dose of white racial resentment--is also lunacy of the highest order.

In truth, only 3.5 percent of college students of color receive any scholarship even partly based on race, suggesting that such programs remain a pathetically small piece of the financial aid picture in this country, irrespective of what a gaggle of reactionary white folks might believe.

Additionally, to suggest that race-based scholarships are some unique and illegitimate break with an otherwise meritocratic system is preposterous.

Fact is, there are plenty of scholarships that have nothing to do with merit per se, but about which conservatives say nothing: scholarships for people who are left-handed, or kids whose parents sell Tupperware, or the children of horse-breeders, or descendants of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, among many thousands of such awards .

Apparently, it's OK to ensure opportunity for members of these groups, despite the fact that none of them have faced systemic oppression before, but it's the height of immorality to do the same for students of color, who have indeed faced explicitly racial obstacles in their lives.

Of course, on an even more basic level, to complain about so-called unfair preferences for students of color, be it in terms of scholarships or affirmative action policies in admissions, is to ignore the many ways in which the nation's educational system provides unfair advantages to whites, from beginning to end.

It ignores the fact that the average white student in the U.S. attends school with half as many poor kids as the average black or Latino student, which in turn has a direct effect on performance, since attending a low-poverty school generally means having more resources available for direct instruction . Indeed, schools with high concentrations of students of color are 11-15 times more likely than mostly white schools to have high concentrations of student poverty .

It ignores the fact that white students are twice as likely as their African American or Latino counterparts to be taught by the most highly qualified teachers, and half as likely to have the least qualified instructors in class . This too directly benefits whites, as research suggests being taught by highly qualified teachers is one of the most important factors in school achievement .

It ignores the fact that whites are twice as likely to be placed in honors or advanced placement classes, relative to black students, and that even when academic performance would justify lower placement for whites and higher placement for blacks, it is the African American students who are disproportionately tracked low, and whites who are tracked higher . Indeed, schools serving mostly white students have three times as many honors or AP classes offered, per capita, as those serving mostly students of color.

References:

U.S. General Accounting Office, 1994. "Information on Minority Targeted Scholarships," B251634. Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, January.

Stephen L. Carter, "Color-Blind and Color-Active," 1992. The Recorder. January 3.

National Scholarship Research Service, 2002. The Scholarship Book.

Alan Grob, 1994. "Geography: The Invisible Preference," Reconstruction. Vol.2 No.3.

Judith Blau, 2004. Race in the Schools: Perpetuating White Dominance? Boulder, CO: Lynne Rienner Press, 204.

Gary Orfield, et al. 1997. "Deepening Segregation in American Public Schools: A Special Report From the Harvard Project on School Desegregation," Equity & Excellence in Education. 30: 5-24; Valerie Martinez-Ebers, 2000. "Latino Interests in Education, Health and Criminal Justice Policy," Political Science and Politics. September.

Linda Darling-Hammond, 1998. "Unequal Opportunity: Race and Education," Brookings Review. Spring: 31.

Michael K. Brown, et al. 2003. Whitewashing Race: The Myth of a Color-Blind Society. Berkeley: University of California Press: 111; Jawanza Kunjufu, 2002. Black Students, Middle-Class Teachers. Chicago: African American Images: 57-58.

Rebecca Gordon, 1998. Education and Race. Oakland: Applied Research Center: 48-9; Claude S. Fischer, et al. 1996. Inequality by Design: Cracking the Bell Curve Myth. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press: 164-5; Leonard Steinhorn and Barbara Diggs-Brown, 1999. By the Color of Our Skin: The Illusion of Integration and the Reality of Race. NY: Dutton: 47.

Gary Orfield and Susan Eaton, 1996. Dismantling Desegregation. NY: New Press: 68.





Affirmative action debate:

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[DR.D]

In the next 11 years, Mexicans will be the majority based on current projections, followed by blacks and then whites. Looks like affirmative action is about to flip a u-turn for the white man. Sounds fair.

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LMAO!!

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Greg Palast destroys the ACORN voter fraud myth
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What is funny is I can show you a video of Ron Jones saying "I voted several times" that was broadcast on CNN live, and you will still try to find articles that "debunk a myth".


Sorry, its not a myth when someone is standing there telling you they did it.....and its a black guy form Philly.....not a white Republican form Alabama.

Greg Palast lost all credibility when tried to defend Hugo Chavez. :lol:

 

[Dwight Schrute]

In the next 11 years, Mexicans will be the majority based on current projections, followed by blacks and then whites. Looks like affirmative action is about to flip a u-turn for the white man. Sounds fair.

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No Irish? WTF!!!!! :lol:

 

[lutherblsstt]

What is funny is I can show you a video of Ron Jones saying "I voted several times" that was broadcast on CNN live, and you will still try to find articles that "debunk a myth".

Please read the article I posted,you missed (or ignored) the points.

"Certainly ACORN collected some bad signatures. But despite McCain's claims, now morphed into media theology, none of ACORN's actions will have any impact on any election. ACORN hired 13,000 canvassers to register new voters. A small number of these workers defrauded ACORN by handing in phony registration forms using names they had invented (e.g. Mickey Mouse), or copied from phone books. In one case ACORN canvassers used cigarettes to bribe a homeless man, now a Fox News regular, to register 17 times. None of these activities constituted voter fraud. It is no crime to register 17 times; only the final registration counts. His multiple registrations would not allow the tobacco lover to vote 17 times. Nor is there any evidence the phone book registrants will cast multiple ballots.

Finally, the removal by GOP officials of hundreds of thousands of legitimate voters from voting rolls over the past year provides ACORN with a sound rationale for obtaining new registrations, even from voters who believe they are already registered."



Also,do you think two wrongs make a right? I mean,if the Dems did the same in the past do you think that makes it ok for the Republicans to do it?

Greg Palast lost all credibility when tried to defend Hugo Chavez. :lol:

In your mind at least.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Please read the article I posted,you missed (or ignored) the points.

You seem to confuse registration and votes. The guy VOTED multiple times. Its clear you are the ultimate apologist for ACORN and anything racial. Its clear you ignore the videos posted because it shows how ridiculous your argument is.

Its sad you turn turn a blind eye to full blown corruption in one party (that has been exploiting black people for years and still do), while concentrating your sole efforts on another.


Its not me that says ACORN is a criminal organization, its the countless federal cases and its members....but search thedailykos...I'm sure you can find an article apologizing and legitimizing them as well. That's what they do.

Also,do you think two wrongs make a right? I mean,if the Dems did the same in the past do you think that makes it ok for the Republicans to do it?

Umm...the Dems still do. They exploit minorities every election. Don't turn against them or you can be the next Clarence Thomas.


None of its right but to think its because of race is laughable. Its to win...

Its just amazing how they turn people like you into racial whistleblowers when race doesn't play a factor. The truth doesn't fit into their argument...who would care if Republicans were suppressing votes because people were DEMOCRATS...OH NO!!! Nobody would care...but stick the racial theme in there and you have a story and people like you fall for it hook, line and sinker and think its race. Hopefully one day you will wake up. We all have faith.

In your mind at least.

A free one....unlike yourself. Go meet people who work in Republican elections offices. I have....from Philadelphia to Oklahoma to Florida. You will realize the ones giving the marching orders are local officials and then you will see just how wrong you really are instead of believing the dailykos or some other bomb thrower that has a political and more importantly to them, a ratings agenda.

Al Sharpton still needs a job.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

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Preach on brotha!! :lol:

 

[DR.D]

No Irish? WTF!!!!! :lol:

Hey man, I gotta lotta Irish in me! That's it, I'm calling the NAAIP.

:bandit:

 

[lutherblsstt]

The attacks on ACORN must be understood within the context of this enfranchisement of dispossessed groups.

John Danforth, a Republican McCain ally and former senator, has publicly pressured Obama about his "special responsibility to rein in ACORN," while former VP candidate Sarah Palin decried "the Left-wing activist group ACORN [that] is now under investigation for voter registration fraud in a number of battleground states.
We can't allow leftist groups like ACORN to steal this election."

Palin's remarks were extremely revealing in light of the increased registration of the poor.

Empowerment of poor minority voters certainly does constitute a threat to the Republican's class war against the masses of Americans.

It's easy to see why Palin, McCain, and company saw ACORN's efforts as theft – considering that the country's "legitimate" voting pool is expected to be restricted to the affluent, disproportionately white minorities who benefit from the Republican Party's class war (any others who vote must be duped into supporting this class war against themselves).

The right-wing hate machine hasn't gone after ACORN because of a voting scandal but because of the threat poor voters pose to business dominance of government.

While the faith of new voters in Obama is misplaced, support for Obama nonetheless constitutes a major threat to Republican dominance of government.

It is this threat of bringing millions of poor into the political process (ACORN registered 1.3 million poor and minority voters for the 2008 election) that is really driving recent attacks.

If you are still unconvinced, consider the following: No evidence was ever presented that ACORN leaders intended to register voters using false information. Establishing such intent is the first requisite for demonstrating voter fraud.

As the New York Times reports, the charges against ACORN are "wildly overblown" and intended, rather, to "hobble ACORN's [registration] efforts."

While the group admits that some canvassers did hand in false names, those accounted for less than 1 percent of the total gathered.

ACORN thoroughly reviews the voter information it gathers, flagging any cases that seem suspicious. ACORN has admitted to firing any canvassers who were found to submit faulty voter information. ACORN representatives also call those who have registered with them, in order to verify the information they've collected. If any of the cases turn up questionable information, ACORN attaches a warning card to that case as it submits the forms to the states within which it operates.

Most of the faulty forms that have fed attention to the "scandal" were only condemned by political leaders because ACORN warned them about the individual cases, not due to the investigative diligence of Republican lawmakers or right-wing media pundits.

One wouldn't know this from reading media accounts. Neoconservatives such as Charles Krauthammer condemn ACORN itself for "voter registration fraud" in states like Nevada.

What Krauthammer conveniently neglects to mention is that Nevada Secretary of State Bob Walsh's orders to raid ACORN's Las Vegas office took place only after the state ignored ACORN's pleas that it investigate possibly fraudulent voter registrations.


“I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out.”
-Harold Stone

 

[lutherblsstt]

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Preach on brotha!! :lol:

I get your point now,starting at the 4:00 mark it is stated pretty clearly,right?

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[Dwight Schrute]

The attacks on ACORN must be understood within the context of this enfranchisement of dispossessed groups.

John Danforth, a Republican McCain ally and former senator, has publicly pressured Obama about his "special responsibility to rein in ACORN," while former VP candidate Sarah Palin decried "the Left-wing activist group ACORN [that] is now under investigation for voter registration fraud in a number of battleground states.
We can't allow leftist groups like ACORN to steal this election."

Palin's remarks were extremely revealing in light of the increased registration of the poor.

Empowerment of poor minority voters certainly does constitute a threat to the Republican's class war against the masses of Americans.

It's easy to see why Palin, McCain, and company saw ACORN's efforts as theft – considering that the country's "legitimate" voting pool is expected to be restricted to the affluent, disproportionately white minorities who benefit from the Republican Party's class war (any others who vote must be duped into supporting this class war against themselves).

The right-wing hate machine hasn't gone after ACORN because of a voting scandal but because of the threat poor voters pose to business dominance of government.

While the faith of new voters in Obama is misplaced, support for Obama nonetheless constitutes a major threat to Republican dominance of government.

It is this threat of bringing millions of poor into the political process (ACORN registered 1.3 million poor and minority voters for the 2008 election) that is really driving recent attacks.

If you are still unconvinced, consider the following: No evidence was ever presented that ACORN leaders intended to register voters using false information. Establishing such intent is the first requisite for demonstrating voter fraud.

As the New York Times reports, the charges against ACORN are "wildly overblown" and intended, rather, to "hobble ACORN's [registration] efforts."

While the group admits that some canvassers did hand in false names, those accounted for less than 1 percent of the total gathered.

ACORN thoroughly reviews the voter information it gathers, flagging any cases that seem suspicious. ACORN has admitted to firing any canvassers who were found to submit faulty voter information. ACORN representatives also call those who have registered with them, in order to verify the information they've collected. If any of the cases turn up questionable information, ACORN attaches a warning card to that case as it submits the forms to the states within which it operates.

Most of the faulty forms that have fed attention to the "scandal" were only condemned by political leaders because ACORN warned them about the individual cases, not due to the investigative diligence of Republican lawmakers or right-wing media pundits.

One wouldn't know this from reading media accounts. Neoconservatives such as Charles Krauthammer condemn ACORN itself for "voter registration fraud" in states like Nevada.

What Krauthammer conveniently neglects to mention is that Nevada Secretary of State Bob Walsh's orders to raid ACORN's Las Vegas office took place only after the state ignored ACORN's pleas that it investigate possibly fraudulent voter registrations.


“I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out.”
-Harold Stone

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Yep..its all context.


"Come back and vote a couple times"


Thanks Ron Jones!

 

[searl12]

What do you thin guys? enought of the frickin you tube mini clips, you got a point say it for yourself.