Voting On New Products
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Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Yagman said:
Funny, if PA made that claim and was banned, all hell would break loose with his little fanclub. If anyone else did it, they would deserve it.
NoSwtTea4U
Board Supporter
Bobo said:
So back to the Topic of the Thread :rant: ....
Buc4Life04
Member
Bobo said:
oke: :icon_lol: Some hilarious reading ^^^^ there sure are lots of people jeleous of Bobo over there. I think its funny people make a new screen name and on there 1st post
bash bobo. Hahaha. Then people even admit they got banned from here and come back.
So AM has to be doing something right.
\/ \/ \/ \/ HAHAHA Good one BObo
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
NoSwtTea4U said:
Umm...I can talk about anything I damn well please.
Buc4Life04
Member
Agreed!!! I havent been over there in a while just to read that post.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Buc4Life04 said:
Yeah, I find that one funny too. We are so bad yet they keep creating screenames and PA asked to come back before the door got slammed again.
Matthew D
Well-known member
I have always wondered what was his hold motivation to start the **** with MR in the first place and then to get all bent out of shape after he was banned... he should have known we would have done that. Hell, that is like one of the things that will get any one of us up in arms... you don't attack a man's creditability unless you are DAMN sure he is doing some wrong...
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
You hit the nail on the head. On that note, I'm off to bed. Finally someone who see's it for what it is. 
...except size
"If he admitted to being wrong and apologized, then let it go! People make mistakes. Are you perfect?
Once someone admits being wrong and apologize, especially in public (and is sincere), you should put it in the past and move on. You and Bibo need to grow up."
Man...They actually think this guy is sincere. The flock continues to grow...LOL....
I don't think I've seen people on a message board so far up someones butt on a personal level since Eric fromLegal Gear used to post there. Man do they pick their poisons.
:rofl:
...except size
"If he admitted to being wrong and apologized, then let it go! People make mistakes. Are you perfect?
Once someone admits being wrong and apologize, especially in public (and is sincere), you should put it in the past and move on. You and Bibo need to grow up."
Man...They actually think this guy is sincere. The flock continues to grow...LOL....
I don't think I've seen people on a message board so far up someones butt on a personal level since Eric fromLegal Gear used to post there. Man do they pick their poisons.
:rofl:
DR.D
Well-known member
Author L. Rea said:
Author,
I am not sure why you hooked up with BK and it is not my style to judge. Plus, it is beyond the scope of the my point. Therefore, although he has threatened litigation against my company, I still respect you and would like to see you advance. 4-subs are tricky, I have been looking to exploit one too, but I really can't recommend any of your choices. I'm not even sure if #4 is chemically possible/stable. So while I may not be the "best chemist in China..." I could probably still help you not waste any more money than necessary. Like I have told you previously, I think we have much more to gain from one another working together than at odds with one another. The patent app won't stick in court, we both know why, and it's stupid to bluff one anther and promote all this drama. At the risk of sounding chauvinistic, let's leave that to women and soap operas! You never know when the government may choose to put us all out of work. Why fight one another and talk about legal action? I know that we are technically rivals, but it's still counter productive and does not advance the science or the sport. This is a huge waste of time when we need to be moving ahead and developing new compounds as fast as possible. Feel free to PM or hushmail me and I will explain my view on hetero sub's on the 4 carbon, only if you like. Otherwise, please forgive me posting on your thread and I will stay away from this one in the future.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Dr.D,
Please take this stuff to email.
Please take this stuff to email.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
I fully understand. You know my point of view.
SJA
dead sexy wino
I guess DrD should be posting that in his own forum? Why let BK bash the crap out of everybody when we gave him such a warm welcome but then reprimand DrD for trying to be friendly? I like this board (and left others) for the maturity level. You police it well and we've had a thread discussing this and thanking you. You never worried about what others would say about you if you banned someone....why start now?
I'm concerned that the drama will ensue here as well. Please keep a close eye on this as it seems a lot of us find it useless and irritating. There is nothing to gain with infighting. I like BK's thoughts on pushing the envelope....but Author shares that view and doesn't seem to need to talk **** on this (or any other) board. That is what I consider a professional and respectable attitude. That is why we like this board.
I'm concerned that the drama will ensue here as well. Please keep a close eye on this as it seems a lot of us find it useless and irritating. There is nothing to gain with infighting. I like BK's thoughts on pushing the envelope....but Author shares that view and doesn't seem to need to talk **** on this (or any other) board. That is what I consider a professional and respectable attitude. That is why we like this board.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Did you miss this part?
"Hey Bruce,
Its very simple. If you want to remain here you don't bash a sponsor. I'm not going to put up with it. THis is your last warning. Quit the BS or you will be gone just like PA. Time to keep you business to yourself. Let this be the last time we have any problems."
I have told both I do not want it here. Dr.D knows full well my position and no was I not reprimanding anyone. I simply told him to take it to email.
As for the other points I made aobut banning, I was being more sarcastic than anything. Policies won't change here because of public opinion.
"Hey Bruce,
Its very simple. If you want to remain here you don't bash a sponsor. I'm not going to put up with it. THis is your last warning. Quit the BS or you will be gone just like PA. Time to keep you business to yourself. Let this be the last time we have any problems."
I have told both I do not want it here. Dr.D knows full well my position and no was I not reprimanding anyone. I simply told him to take it to email.
As for the other points I made aobut banning, I was being more sarcastic than anything. Policies won't change here because of public opinion.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
SJA said:
Nope.
"Dr.D,
Please take this stuff to email."
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
SJA said:
Thanks.
And I won't start now. Never will.
SJA
dead sexy wino
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: When reading, I guess I had the wrong voice in my head (since I can't see the facial expressions). This is why I stay here. I hate the drama and personal vendettas at other boards. Just want to see these Wiz-bang chem heads work their magic :hammer: :hammer: It halts progress when people in the scientific community start trying to de-rail each other. It doesn't help anyone in the long run and it definitely does not help this board.
Regardless of what people say, there has been an influx of people from the bashing boards migrating to this board and it's for one reason....."no tolerance for ****-talking". Those on the high road definitely appreciate this and always will. Keep up the good work here.
TheOMEGA
Board Supporter
thanks, it was/ is an uncomfortable event that has been stumbled on, but when someone is like that its hard not to say anything about itBobo said:You hit the nail on the head. On that note, I'm off to bed. Finally someone who see's it for what it is.
...except size
Man...They actually think this guy is sincere. The flock continues to grow...LOL....
as far as the "flock" don't blame them, some people ( "gurus" or whatever) are very good at leading sheep to all sort of destinations, but its not the sheeps fault for trusting in someone or something they thought to be true......
its the fault of the false leader that led them astray and that uses them......
anyway
those are just my true thoughts on the matter and is not personal in any way, just an observation
jmh80
Well-known member
Man, that thread on BB is a straight out bashfest. I think that type of thread is what makes BB, well, BB.
It's too bad we must walk on eggshells over here and can't question any of the sponsors products as Bobo runs a Nazi prison over here.
Hell, to hear them tell it, I'm surprised Bobo let's us root for any teams outside of Philly!
I don't understand Pat Arnold. He seems like a good scientist, but his whole agenda is to turn a simple scientific inquiry into a hate-fest. It's like he just can't help himself but to begin bashing. I can see that he doesn't want business to be taken away. But, there are billions in this industry to be had. It's not like he's all of a sudden going to be competing with oil and pharm. companies for earnings. It'd be so much better if these supp. developers actually could work together for once and help the industry as a whole. Rather than fighting and attempting to litigate and threaten.
In that regard, I do think technical questions of other products could advance the industry. But, it's clear that will never happen with PA until his personality changes.
It's too bad we must walk on eggshells over here and can't question any of the sponsors products as Bobo runs a Nazi prison over here.
Hell, to hear them tell it, I'm surprised Bobo let's us root for any teams outside of Philly!
I don't understand Pat Arnold. He seems like a good scientist, but his whole agenda is to turn a simple scientific inquiry into a hate-fest. It's like he just can't help himself but to begin bashing. I can see that he doesn't want business to be taken away. But, there are billions in this industry to be had. It's not like he's all of a sudden going to be competing with oil and pharm. companies for earnings. It'd be so much better if these supp. developers actually could work together for once and help the industry as a whole. Rather than fighting and attempting to litigate and threaten.
In that regard, I do think technical questions of other products could advance the industry. But, it's clear that will never happen with PA until his personality changes.
Syr
Hot Italian Goldmember
Is this the same BK?BKneller said:
Its sad to see this complete change of behaviour 2 months after.
DR.D
Well-known member
LCSULLA said:
OK, you asked for it!
1) 4,17b-diydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one
2) 17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-4,9-dien-3-one
3) 17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-4-hydroxy-5-androstan-3-one
4) 4-hydroxy-1-methyl-5a-androst-1-en-3-one
5) 4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one
6) 4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androsta-1,4-dien-3-one
The 4 sub has advantages. First it creates a hormone that can not aromatize. Also, it acts as a 5-reductase inhibitor. So you won't form estrogen or DHT with this these type compounds. There are 3 mains groups that convey signifigant activity at the 4 position: halogens, hydroxyl, and the methyl. The main issues with these compounds are the added resonance of the 3, 4 & 5 functions. 4-carbon subs also reduce polarity of the 3-one. You know what, screw the outline, this will take forever. I'll tell you like this.. Compound#1: Why? Why make a designer androgen that already won't aromatize non-aromatizable? The oral bioavailability may be better that one would guess, but I suspect the intrinsic potency would be lacking. Start with an aromatizable compound most likely. #2: I'm not sure what this is, a C-19 steroid? Part of the compound name seems to be missing, it's impossible to say what the skeleton is, but it has the same issues as the first reguardless. The improved electron delocalization of the diene and triene systems convey stability, but the 4 sub would weaken it over the original parent compound. #3: Severe steric distortion of the A & B ring conjuctions throwing the face out of plane, I don't even think humans have a receptor that would accommodate that molecule! This structure could possess 4 different sterioisomers (just considering the A-ring) so it would be naturally weak as the racemic mixture. #4: Same issue as the first one and it is also unstable. The charge on the 5 carbon would likely be negative. 4 subs generally need a 4-ene system. The 3 carbon may also adopt a positive charge stretching the 3-one bond. 4-ene protects 3=O, as both have shorter bond lengths. #5: This one may have activity but it would be very low I'd guess. Also, it has the same issue as the first one. Why not choose an aromatizable base to begin with when looking at this issue? It defeats the main purpose of the 4-OH! #6: This compound may possess activity too, but the same issues apply as the third. Because the carbonyl bond is stretched longer than usual with a 4 hetero sub, you may have a compound with equilibrated resonance to give the effect of non-aromatizable dbol. Also the planarity of the 1,4-ene system would be skewed which kills the real beauty of dbol. The potency may be as much as 50% that of dbol itself. It's hard to guess. To summarize, this is a hard area to exploit and you need more than just a hunch to do it successfully. Or, you need lots of money and after you prep 100 compounds, you may by luck finally run across one! Or who know, I may be totally wrong and all 6 of these are the strongest hormones ever invented!! But if Matt told me he wanted another 4 carbon modified supp, I would have a different choice, maybe a 4-methyl. There may only be about 2 or 3 more good compounds in this series yet to be discovered. The THP ether would be viable with 1, 5 & 6. If I had to choose one of these, I'd go with the 17-ether of 6.
kwyckemynd00
Registered User
:thumbsup:
Hi Doc
Hi Doc
BKneller
Banned
This is where we are going 1st...
This looks to be like the first one we'll be playing with for several reasons, first and foremost, virtually everyone seems to really want a usable, legal, "trenlike" product. I briefly discussed this again with Author last night. The biggest issue is the cost of precursor material (trenbolone or the like). Dr. Z assures me that the crew in Beijing can make this in house for less money (maybe 50%) of what commercial trenbolone is being advertised for. I only had a brief 'chat' with Z by e-mail but I did request that the starting material NOT be trenbolone but 'something else' and the the modification be done at C-4 and then have the molecule made to be 4-hydroxy-trenbolone so there will be ZERO base trenbolone as a contaminant left in the product.
Wouldn't want a certain someone with a history of being a government snitch and collaborator "testing" our product and then crying that we were selling a C-III compound because it had like 0.5% trenbolone left in it as a contaminant (and you know he would do just that). So Dr. Z is working up a novel synthesis to get around this issue.
I agree with Author. We're going to end up doing this as a THP ether (undecanoate ester was my first choice but it is getting difficult to ship liquid chemicals out of China by air freight due to an incident a year or so back).
So we'll end up with 17b-THP-4-hydroxy-trenbolone to "play with".
We're going to have 3-4 guys run it for month (no we do not need volunteers, thanks, we have plenty of them), probably 25mg three times per day.
Author's group has graciously agreed to pay/order/run the labs so we'll have full lipids, LFT's, TT, E2, LH/FSH and a few other things that probably won't be too interesting to most people here so I'll leave it at that).
I know n = 3 is not ideal...but we need to start somewhere and that is where it looks like it will happen. 28 days is long enough to get a decent idea what this stuff does and does not do short term wise.
My guess is it will be close to trenbolone but less androgenic overall (this probably will not matter from a clinical or observable perspective).
We should have 100g-200g of product in 10 days, more than enough for Author test pilots to run with this for a little while.
If we can keep the cost to under $8,000/kg, and Z knows this is the threshold for us, then we're going to do this for sure provided it tests out OK in the 3 users. Anything more than $8K and it really becomes too pricey unless folks do not mind paying $90-$100 for a trenlike non-illegal oral compound that is a 30 day supply. If it gets too pricey, people just won't buy it.
I am confident in our "hired guns" ability to get the job done.
So...we'll keep you folks posted on when it arrives and when we initiate testing. I think Author mentioned something akin to one of the testers setting up a daily log here after we get him on it? That would be cool.
Comments are welcomed and encouraged.
Bruce Kneller
This looks to be like the first one we'll be playing with for several reasons, first and foremost, virtually everyone seems to really want a usable, legal, "trenlike" product. I briefly discussed this again with Author last night. The biggest issue is the cost of precursor material (trenbolone or the like). Dr. Z assures me that the crew in Beijing can make this in house for less money (maybe 50%) of what commercial trenbolone is being advertised for. I only had a brief 'chat' with Z by e-mail but I did request that the starting material NOT be trenbolone but 'something else' and the the modification be done at C-4 and then have the molecule made to be 4-hydroxy-trenbolone so there will be ZERO base trenbolone as a contaminant left in the product.
Wouldn't want a certain someone with a history of being a government snitch and collaborator "testing" our product and then crying that we were selling a C-III compound because it had like 0.5% trenbolone left in it as a contaminant (and you know he would do just that). So Dr. Z is working up a novel synthesis to get around this issue.
I agree with Author. We're going to end up doing this as a THP ether (undecanoate ester was my first choice but it is getting difficult to ship liquid chemicals out of China by air freight due to an incident a year or so back).
So we'll end up with 17b-THP-4-hydroxy-trenbolone to "play with".
We're going to have 3-4 guys run it for month (no we do not need volunteers, thanks, we have plenty of them), probably 25mg three times per day.
Author's group has graciously agreed to pay/order/run the labs so we'll have full lipids, LFT's, TT, E2, LH/FSH and a few other things that probably won't be too interesting to most people here so I'll leave it at that).
I know n = 3 is not ideal...but we need to start somewhere and that is where it looks like it will happen. 28 days is long enough to get a decent idea what this stuff does and does not do short term wise.
My guess is it will be close to trenbolone but less androgenic overall (this probably will not matter from a clinical or observable perspective).
We should have 100g-200g of product in 10 days, more than enough for Author test pilots to run with this for a little while.
If we can keep the cost to under $8,000/kg, and Z knows this is the threshold for us, then we're going to do this for sure provided it tests out OK in the 3 users. Anything more than $8K and it really becomes too pricey unless folks do not mind paying $90-$100 for a trenlike non-illegal oral compound that is a 30 day supply. If it gets too pricey, people just won't buy it.
I am confident in our "hired guns" ability to get the job done.
So...we'll keep you folks posted on when it arrives and when we initiate testing. I think Author mentioned something akin to one of the testers setting up a daily log here after we get him on it? That would be cool.
Comments are welcomed and encouraged.
Bruce Kneller
Author L. Rea said:
kwyckemynd00
Registered User
Both directions? :think:BKneller said:
BKneller
Banned
While I agree with 90% of what you wrote you're missing the point here. Yeah, I know modifying C-4 on a trenbolone molecule is going to make it weaker. So what? Trenbolone is illegal. The C-4 hydroxylated variant is not. If I have to take 50% more of it to see the same effect, I still end up with an effective compound that won't cause any legal issues for now. This is what we plan to do and we do plan on using a THP ether (or if possible, an undecanoate ester) at C17b.
It's not always "a science issue" Dr. D., and while I respect your knowledge of chemistry please remember that there are a lot of moities that are illegal that will have "less effective but still useful" C-4 modified analogs that are not illegal.
We're not going to pick 200 or 2000 compounds (I would though, if we had the time and resources, test out almost every conceivable variant a la Vida). Just those that can be sold legally for now and look most promising.
The tren variant is (for a cornucopia of reasons) the first one, the best and brightest, IMHO.
We also like the dbol variant also.
As an aside...I don't know why so many people think that you must "alpha alkylate at C-17a" to have an effective oral. The feedback on our stanozolol analog has been FANTASTIC do date and this is a "non-methyl" - it seems to be 50% less potent than "regular stanozolol" but so what? Our version won't get you a date with the local district attorney
While we (Author and I) do plan on launching a few C-17a modified compounds in the future (you think we have discussed EVERYTHING here? Not a chance!) we both agree that there is a much larger market for people who want a 'safer kinder, proto-steroid' so to speak and for people who want 'something to stack with a methyl' that may already be available to them.
Done want to be known for just one thing, know what I mean?
Anyhow, thanks for your chemical insights, Dr. D. They are appreciated. As for your issues with me, I don't know who you are but I will say Author and I get along quite well, I consider him to be a good friend of mine and perhaps if you took a chance and elected to know me on a more personal level your opinion of me, which I infer is substantially less than stellar, might change quite a bit.
Yeah, I have issues with your current employer. But not with you personally. And I am willing to keep my issues to myself or at least off this forum at Bobo's request.
Cool?
Bruce Kneller
It's not always "a science issue" Dr. D., and while I respect your knowledge of chemistry please remember that there are a lot of moities that are illegal that will have "less effective but still useful" C-4 modified analogs that are not illegal.
We're not going to pick 200 or 2000 compounds (I would though, if we had the time and resources, test out almost every conceivable variant a la Vida). Just those that can be sold legally for now and look most promising.
The tren variant is (for a cornucopia of reasons) the first one, the best and brightest, IMHO.
We also like the dbol variant also.
As an aside...I don't know why so many people think that you must "alpha alkylate at C-17a" to have an effective oral. The feedback on our stanozolol analog has been FANTASTIC do date and this is a "non-methyl" - it seems to be 50% less potent than "regular stanozolol" but so what? Our version won't get you a date with the local district attorney
While we (Author and I) do plan on launching a few C-17a modified compounds in the future (you think we have discussed EVERYTHING here? Not a chance!) we both agree that there is a much larger market for people who want a 'safer kinder, proto-steroid' so to speak and for people who want 'something to stack with a methyl' that may already be available to them.
Done want to be known for just one thing, know what I mean?
Anyhow, thanks for your chemical insights, Dr. D. They are appreciated. As for your issues with me, I don't know who you are but I will say Author and I get along quite well, I consider him to be a good friend of mine and perhaps if you took a chance and elected to know me on a more personal level your opinion of me, which I infer is substantially less than stellar, might change quite a bit.
Yeah, I have issues with your current employer. But not with you personally. And I am willing to keep my issues to myself or at least off this forum at Bobo's request.
Cool?
Bruce Kneller
DR.D said:
BKneller
Banned
I just spent 45 minutes wading through the waste land of that "other board" which
really has degenerated into an impacted colon.
13+ pages of self aggrandizing fecality by a certain someone.
Then I come here, skim through a few of the forums and what do you know?
This board is actually civil and nice and people aren't lobbing grenades and personal attacks
at one another. AMAZING!!!
AM, where have you been all my life *giggle*????
Seriously, this is cool, I like the fact that the "idiot, sheeple" factor is dramatically
reduced on this board so we can actually spend time discussing what is important -
what's next for supplements, why we feel these are worthy, the testing of these new supplements
and so on.
You know, liking me or not is really immaterial to whether or not a chemical is effective or not.
That's the difference between AM and the other board. The folks over here "get it" and over there
they...well...I'm not gonna bash anyone cuz I'd prefer to discuss what's really important (and I already
wrote that).
I do want to address a couple of personal items and then I want to return to only discussing compounds.
So I do hope Bobo and Size will indulge me for a moment (one post).
I have developed some of the most effective and safe supplements ever to hit the market starting with
MD-6 from Biotest, Androsol, Nandrosol, T-2 (Biotest), Vitrix amd 1-TU (Nutrex), and methyldienolone,
MOHN, Pro-Turinabol, ATD, 3-OHAT, 7-keto-DHEA THP ether/diether, and now Orastan-E.
My track record of putting out "good stuff" speaks for itself. I know some folks will argue that some of these
"sucked" (probably more of a personal dislike for me than them actually trying the stuff) but the proof is in
the pudding...I am not peddling Smilax or Boron.
I am also happy to expound on my educational background.
I have a BS degree in Clinical Laboratory Science and a BS degree in Nursing. I hold registration/certification/licensure in both disciplines.
I spent 3 years in pharmacy school before switching majors to Lab Science so I have all the basic undergrad chem/physics/bio course and a few other unique ones. I have 3 graduate course under my belt (I am not pursuing a grad degree at this time).
I never claimed to be a degreed chemist either. Just a guy with an insight for creating useful stuff.
Dan Duchaine has a M.A in Theater Arts from Boston University. And look at how far he advanced our industry!
I don't think I am the smartest guy in the industry (or planet or even on this board) but I do think my combination of
education and experience makes me a lot more qualified than a lot of other 'supplement company people'.
Author and I came together by pure chance. If I was some horrible shithead with nothing to offer do you think Author would
be working with me? Yeah, I can be a caustic SOB when I want to be. That should be allowed to negate the usefulness of
the chemicals I conceived or had a hand in conceiving?
Judge me on the products I produce - same for Author and even "that other guy" on the other board. Not for our personalities
(however annoying or mercurial they/we may come off on these boards).
In the end, that's really what it's all about - does it work and do what we claim or is it **** and hyperbole?
Now let's get back to exclusively discussing ALRI future products I will have a hand in designing and co-branding with Author under the Gaspari label?
That is what this particular forum is about, yes? It is the ALRI forum. All other nonsense should be deleted or moved to a more appropriate forum (especially the ad hominum attacks). I'm not going to participate in the nonsense, it's just not worth it to me.
I am here to discuss new product ideas and new product ideas only from here on in, OK?
I am not here to discuss my past "associations" and board flame fests with certain people who have oral diarrhea and spend 15 hours a day posting inflammatory stoolage.
Game on! 17b-THP-4-hydroxy-trenbolone looks like a real winner. Who would like to discuss this and the other C-4 modified hormones Author and I are working on? This will probably (well, definetly) be more useful to you guys than whether or not I get along with certain people in the industry or not.
Thanks,
BK
really has degenerated into an impacted colon.
13+ pages of self aggrandizing fecality by a certain someone.
Then I come here, skim through a few of the forums and what do you know?
This board is actually civil and nice and people aren't lobbing grenades and personal attacks
at one another. AMAZING!!!
AM, where have you been all my life *giggle*????
Seriously, this is cool, I like the fact that the "idiot, sheeple" factor is dramatically
reduced on this board so we can actually spend time discussing what is important -
what's next for supplements, why we feel these are worthy, the testing of these new supplements
and so on.
You know, liking me or not is really immaterial to whether or not a chemical is effective or not.
That's the difference between AM and the other board. The folks over here "get it" and over there
they...well...I'm not gonna bash anyone cuz I'd prefer to discuss what's really important (and I already
wrote that).
I do want to address a couple of personal items and then I want to return to only discussing compounds.
So I do hope Bobo and Size will indulge me for a moment (one post).
I have developed some of the most effective and safe supplements ever to hit the market starting with
MD-6 from Biotest, Androsol, Nandrosol, T-2 (Biotest), Vitrix amd 1-TU (Nutrex), and methyldienolone,
MOHN, Pro-Turinabol, ATD, 3-OHAT, 7-keto-DHEA THP ether/diether, and now Orastan-E.
My track record of putting out "good stuff" speaks for itself. I know some folks will argue that some of these
"sucked" (probably more of a personal dislike for me than them actually trying the stuff) but the proof is in
the pudding...I am not peddling Smilax or Boron.
I am also happy to expound on my educational background.
I have a BS degree in Clinical Laboratory Science and a BS degree in Nursing. I hold registration/certification/licensure in both disciplines.
I spent 3 years in pharmacy school before switching majors to Lab Science so I have all the basic undergrad chem/physics/bio course and a few other unique ones. I have 3 graduate course under my belt (I am not pursuing a grad degree at this time).
I never claimed to be a degreed chemist either. Just a guy with an insight for creating useful stuff.
Dan Duchaine has a M.A in Theater Arts from Boston University. And look at how far he advanced our industry!
I don't think I am the smartest guy in the industry (or planet or even on this board) but I do think my combination of
education and experience makes me a lot more qualified than a lot of other 'supplement company people'.
Author and I came together by pure chance. If I was some horrible shithead with nothing to offer do you think Author would
be working with me? Yeah, I can be a caustic SOB when I want to be. That should be allowed to negate the usefulness of
the chemicals I conceived or had a hand in conceiving?
Judge me on the products I produce - same for Author and even "that other guy" on the other board. Not for our personalities
(however annoying or mercurial they/we may come off on these boards).
In the end, that's really what it's all about - does it work and do what we claim or is it **** and hyperbole?
Now let's get back to exclusively discussing ALRI future products I will have a hand in designing and co-branding with Author under the Gaspari label?
That is what this particular forum is about, yes? It is the ALRI forum. All other nonsense should be deleted or moved to a more appropriate forum (especially the ad hominum attacks). I'm not going to participate in the nonsense, it's just not worth it to me.
I am here to discuss new product ideas and new product ideas only from here on in, OK?
I am not here to discuss my past "associations" and board flame fests with certain people who have oral diarrhea and spend 15 hours a day posting inflammatory stoolage.
Game on! 17b-THP-4-hydroxy-trenbolone looks like a real winner. Who would like to discuss this and the other C-4 modified hormones Author and I are working on? This will probably (well, definetly) be more useful to you guys than whether or not I get along with certain people in the industry or not.
Thanks,
BK
TheOMEGA said:cool I was looking forward to your input here
BKneller
Banned
2 is/was the 4-OH variant of methyldienolone which is not a high
priorty on the list at this point. 3 is the 4-OH variant of Anadrol which is
also not a high priority.
The tren and dbol 4-OH analogs are going to be the first ones we test
with the tren THP ether variant being the very first one we try out followed
by either a 4-OH dbol or a 4-OH boldenone analog (depends on how/whether we
want to methylate something or not...we might offer both to be honest).
Look for the tren analog testing to start in 3-4 weeks and the dbol analog testing to start
by maybe Labor Day (hopefully earlier...Author, want to chime in here?).
BK
priorty on the list at this point. 3 is the 4-OH variant of Anadrol which is
also not a high priority.
The tren and dbol 4-OH analogs are going to be the first ones we test
with the tren THP ether variant being the very first one we try out followed
by either a 4-OH dbol or a 4-OH boldenone analog (depends on how/whether we
want to methylate something or not...we might offer both to be honest).
Look for the tren analog testing to start in 3-4 weeks and the dbol analog testing to start
by maybe Labor Day (hopefully earlier...Author, want to chime in here?).
BK
LCSULLA said:
Syr
Hot Italian Goldmember
While my judgement on Prostan is suspended (its only been one week), I completely agree on BK on this. We dont need more methyls, no matter how strong they are.BKneller said:As an aside...I don't know why so many people think that you must "alpha alkylate at C-17a" to have an effective oral. The feedback on our stanozolol analog has been FANTASTIC do date and this is a "non-methyl" - it seems to be 50% less potent than "regular stanozolol" but so what? Our version won't get you a date with the local district attorney
While we (Author and I) do plan on launching a few C-17a modified compounds in the future (you think we have discussed EVERYTHING here? Not a chance!) we both agree that there is a much larger market for people who want a 'safer kinder, proto-steroid' so to speak and for people who want 'something to stack with a methyl' that may already be available to them.
We could need some in the future, but only if they prove to be safe on liver and lipid like only m4ohn was.
There are 2 (soon 3) strong methyl bulkers on the market already and people need something to stack with them to tailor more advanced cycles.
BTW, I encourage for an accurate and extensive (n>5) alpha-testing of erverything and a sound dosing protocol. Not every thp ether must be dosed at 25mgx3
cheers
[edit: ester for ether]
BKneller
Banned
There are a lot of other directions Author and I are going into but I don't want to get ahead of myself.
Someone mentioned an analog of Turinabol? I did that for Gaspari already with a 4-chloro-17a-methyl product that we sold just before 'the big ban' and it was starting to pick up a lot of steam. Who knows, he might chloro/fluoro/bromonate stuff to see what happens.
There's a treasure trove of nifty functional group modifications we can do, of special interest to us now is C-4 mods but this does not preclude others (look at the fluorine on Halotestin for example, changes at C-9a with a halogen might yield some heavy androgens) and fxn group changes to C-7 (aside from the obvious, overdone, methyl seen in bolasterone, calusterone and mibolerone) might be fruitful.
We got a lot of things we can and will do. And Author and I will be very busy doing them.
I am out.
Peace.
BK
Someone mentioned an analog of Turinabol? I did that for Gaspari already with a 4-chloro-17a-methyl product that we sold just before 'the big ban' and it was starting to pick up a lot of steam. Who knows, he might chloro/fluoro/bromonate stuff to see what happens.
There's a treasure trove of nifty functional group modifications we can do, of special interest to us now is C-4 mods but this does not preclude others (look at the fluorine on Halotestin for example, changes at C-9a with a halogen might yield some heavy androgens) and fxn group changes to C-7 (aside from the obvious, overdone, methyl seen in bolasterone, calusterone and mibolerone) might be fruitful.
We got a lot of things we can and will do. And Author and I will be very busy doing them.
I am out.
Peace.
BK
Syr said:While my judgement on Prostan is suspended (its only been one week), I completely agree on BK on this. We dont need more methyls, no matter how strong they are.
We could need some in the future, but only if they prove to be safe on liver and lipid like only m4ohn was.
There are 2 (soon 3) strong methyl bulkers on the market already and people need something to stack with them to tailor more advanced cycles.
BTW, I encourage for an accurate and extensive (n>5) alpha-testing of erverything and a sound dosing protocol. Not every thp ether must be dosed at 25mgx3
cheers
[edit: ester for ether]
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
BKneller said:
Bruce,
This works for ALL sponsors. You are not a sponsor. You are here because Author asked. That is all. I am easy to work with Bruce just as long as the rules are not broken. Respect the mods AND the membership. Remember that and you will never have a problem with me.
CROWLER
Anabolic Innovations Owner
IMO a ton of guys can get cattle pellets and make their own tren without going to a source and risking trouble.
Therefore #1 would be the LAST one that should be developed. There is also a way to make Test from cattle pellets. But there is no way to make your own Anavar or Dbol, so again IMO it would be better to work on those sort of products first.
Just a larger number of consumers to appeal to.
CROWLER
Therefore #1 would be the LAST one that should be developed. There is also a way to make Test from cattle pellets. But there is no way to make your own Anavar or Dbol, so again IMO it would be better to work on those sort of products first.
Just a larger number of consumers to appeal to.
CROWLER
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
BKneller said:
I have a BA in History, Criminal Justice, and Anthropology. THe latter I completed last year well after the previous two. I have 4 graduate level classes under my belt. 2 in Nutrition and Dietetics, one in Physiology and the other in Exercise and Sports Nutrition. The 3rd was by FAR the toughest.
Also ACE certified (which was more for insurance purposes. It was rather easy)
My training business isn't even my main business. I do that more for fun and the satifiaction of getting people results. I run two other companies that have nothing to do with this industry.
Little backround for you.
What is more impressive is the educational backround of the MOD team past and present. Two have had masters degrees while many are completing their graduate programs in the next year or so. Its a nice well rounded team.
bigblank69
Board Supporter
BK, I would be one of the first to say Androsol was one of your misses. But I'm not going to bust your chops to much on that one, because I like the others on your list, and because I have a general dislike for Biotest products.
Author L. Rea
Board Sponsor
Dr. D:DR.D said:
First it seems I owe you and everyone at DS an apology. I realize the words were not mine, but they were said by a good friend of mine, on my forum space, so it is my loss of honor first. I do not support ANYONE attaching another company on my forum or otherwise. It is exactly why I have never posted much. If there are legal issues between company's then that should be left to the lawyers and handled in private. Anything else just destroys the industry and I personally feel that we really do need more companies that will work together. I believe that I have openly supported Matt and you both for your work and products, and certainly will continue to do so (I do not find it likely that DS will start making trash products anytime soon...or in the future). I hope you and Matt will accept my apology, though I would understand if not. Trust is such a rare and precious thing, and like honor, it should be given to those who hold it as part of their soul. Not going estrogenic here, just a fact. And by the way, I do not believe we are rivals, more like lads who have a rare passion for the same industry. You are always welcomed here or anywhere I am.
Bobo and Size:
I want to apologize to both of you as well. My intent was, and still is, to bring some of the brightest lads who think outside the envelope to share with others I respect such as Dr. D. here on the AM board. I am normally not one to openly discuss anything with anyone publicly as it seems that those who think outside the envelope are so often ridiculed for innovation (have any of our products yet failed to set new levels of expectation? The **** works...though many say they won't) until they are copied for gain. But I do enjoy posting here on AM when I have time due to the lack of flamers and childish behavior...for the most part. (Yes, I know I had a temper tantrum a month or so ago...my error)
Bruce is of course, his own man and I never attempt to tell anyone what I feel they should do. Naturally I fully understand and support his or anyone's right to defend their investments where it applies, but not on the AM board, please. I will ask him to continue to share his amazingly passion for products and designs (I have enjoyed many late night discussions with him that bent even my "outside the box" outlooks) as I believe many are interested in what is possible and those who willing to search for it. He is very bright and his passions do run rather deep in ways that would surprise many that only know his temper. It is your board, your call Lads. I just visit because I like the people.
Author L. Rea
PS: Dr. D. I do not have your hushmail addy. Please send it to Raven when you have a minute.
TheCrownedOne
Registered User
Nice, upstanding post AuthorAuthor L. Rea said: