VolcomX311
Legend
Viking's Tower of Tyr
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vikinginc's Xtremely[!] Stoked[!] about his Epi[©] Journey from ~T7 to D4~
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poopypants
Banned
isnt that from that one video game... damn cant remember the name of it for the life of me.. pretty fun though.
VolcomX311
Legend
The first one is Kratos, from GOD OF WAR
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vikinginc
Well-known member
My body's been in an insane thermo-state the past couple of hours. Kind of the feeling when you've got the flu, you're always warm and sweating, and something's a little 'off'.. I took 3 caps Velocity XT about 2.5-3 hours ago, and I'm still sweating balls. Sweating through my shirt, and keep wiping my hair dry .. Damn.. I just choked down a two-serving NO-Xplode sample with some BA, and about to hit the gym in ten or so .. Got back and trap day, today. Hoping everything will work out as I am wanting it to !
vikinginc
Well-known member
I've got absolutely nothing good to say.
**** this, **** it all. I'm so mutha****in' fed up with feeling this way that i'm wanting to ****ing end it. Two days off from the gym, got in there today, and had NOTHING. I feel like I've been living on drugs for weeks and weeks and got no business in the gym. I'll be back in a couple days. I won't be logging for a wwhile. This is ****ing with my head too much.
**** this, **** it all. I'm so mutha****in' fed up with feeling this way that i'm wanting to ****ing end it. Two days off from the gym, got in there today, and had NOTHING. I feel like I've been living on drugs for weeks and weeks and got no business in the gym. I'll be back in a couple days. I won't be logging for a wwhile. This is ****ing with my head too much.
hman85
Well-known member
Keep your chin up man, if you need some more time off it won't be the worst thing!
vikinginc
Well-known member
I thought I was 'in control' of my body, and able to push it further than many others. It's apparent that something's come across myself, and my body, that's keeping me from being able to 'get in control' of my body. I mentioned that I've had this 'feeling' for a week now, that'd be a week on the day that i began Darvocet. I didn't take ANY today at all, going from taking up to 6 caps/day normally. Every sign of fatigue, lethargy and every other symptom I'm feeling today relate to a Darvocet Withdrawal .. I'll throw a couple of these on the fire. They all apply.
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I may be blowing this out of proportion, but like I mentioned, the only drug I've been on and affected by since surgery is Darvocet. As you all remember, last week, I worked out the day FOLLOWING my surgery, and three continuous days beyond that. At this point, I had had maybe two servings of Darvocet. As the pain got worse, and the dry socket began emerging, I upped the painkillers .. last night, I had two at 6PM, and another one at 9PM. I have not yet had any since.. I've just got to bite the bullet on this one right here, wait for my body's craving to ease up, and get my appetite up and functioning again. I had a post-workout shake (1/2 of everything I planned on taking) and threw it up after fifteen minutes..
Am I being dramatic, or do you guys believe that this is more than likely a cause of the pain killers rushing through my system, deliberately crippling every one of my body's physical and physiological capabilities ?
- extreme sleepiness
- irregular heartbeat
- stupor
- excessive sweating (look at my post prior to hitting the gym - 3 caps Velocity XT NEVER does that much to me !)
- general feeling of illness
- nausea
- confusion
- rapid pulse
- rapid breathing
- ringing in the ears
- vertigo
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I may be blowing this out of proportion, but like I mentioned, the only drug I've been on and affected by since surgery is Darvocet. As you all remember, last week, I worked out the day FOLLOWING my surgery, and three continuous days beyond that. At this point, I had had maybe two servings of Darvocet. As the pain got worse, and the dry socket began emerging, I upped the painkillers .. last night, I had two at 6PM, and another one at 9PM. I have not yet had any since.. I've just got to bite the bullet on this one right here, wait for my body's craving to ease up, and get my appetite up and functioning again. I had a post-workout shake (1/2 of everything I planned on taking) and threw it up after fifteen minutes..
Am I being dramatic, or do you guys believe that this is more than likely a cause of the pain killers rushing through my system, deliberately crippling every one of my body's physical and physiological capabilities ?
VolcomX311
Legend
Historically, "regular ish" has a tendency to make you upchuck. I think you're susceptible to upchuckery like I am to paresthesia, my point being, if basic ish can give your system a bad reaction, the Darvocet might be really ripping you a new one and then another one....
The last thing anybody wants to hear, especially someone of your dedicated caliber, compounded with the fact you're in mid-cycle, which would make the wisest of us stubbornly dedicated to not stopping, yours truly included, so I won't say the obvious yet. I don't know what kind of "good advice" i can offer, because I would be as stubborn as possible myself.
If I were in your situation, well.... I don't know how much pain you're in, so its hard to place a value on that Darvocet.
My personal option 1: Keep taking the Darvocet and rest up until it is no longer required.
Option 2: Keeping taking the Darvocet, keep hitting the gym, but accept the fact that these couple of workouts will be less then 100% intensity, maybe even 60%.
Option 3: Cold Turkey Darvocet, but be completely frustrated and pissed off from the pain, and maybe not even be able to focus at the gym as a result. Then bounce back from the Darvocet withdrawal.
Option 4: Cold Turkey Darvocet AND rest up, because being at the gym will just further frustrate you.
This is what I would be contemplating if I were personally in your situation.
Either way, this is temporary, and you WILL bounce back. Hang in there.
The last thing anybody wants to hear, especially someone of your dedicated caliber, compounded with the fact you're in mid-cycle, which would make the wisest of us stubbornly dedicated to not stopping, yours truly included, so I won't say the obvious yet. I don't know what kind of "good advice" i can offer, because I would be as stubborn as possible myself.
If I were in your situation, well.... I don't know how much pain you're in, so its hard to place a value on that Darvocet.
My personal option 1: Keep taking the Darvocet and rest up until it is no longer required.
Option 2: Keeping taking the Darvocet, keep hitting the gym, but accept the fact that these couple of workouts will be less then 100% intensity, maybe even 60%.
Option 3: Cold Turkey Darvocet, but be completely frustrated and pissed off from the pain, and maybe not even be able to focus at the gym as a result. Then bounce back from the Darvocet withdrawal.
Option 4: Cold Turkey Darvocet AND rest up, because being at the gym will just further frustrate you.
This is what I would be contemplating if I were personally in your situation.
Either way, this is temporary, and you WILL bounce back. Hang in there.
poopypants
Banned
Id maybe back off the Mdrol too for at least a second... I know that stuff can be hard on your body after a while AND would think the same could be said if your already in a weakened state.
I would lower the Epi dose as well and keep it at maintenance type dose for now to prevent muscle wasting but nothing more.
Honestly your best bet isnt to try and fight through this, take it easy, hit a low intensity workout if you absolutely have to BUT by no means go in there trying to crush things and use less supps, no need to waste em now with half work and possibly waste them altogether with an upchuck.
I would kick over to Advil (ibuprofen) ONLY and only do so when absolutely necessary as the darvocet obviously has its own drawbacks and regardless of it being a pain reliever it actually slows the healing process and further stresses your liver and the rest of your body as a result. Same is even true for the Advil as many NSAIDs can reduce muscle synthesis and slow recovery overall... use that in gm intensity youve built up to just fight the pain..... its a tough battle though for sure.
Im certain if you do these things youll be back up to par in no time.... BUT it may not hurt to see the doc and make sure you dont have something else as well, could be a side from the darvocet (remember it upsets stomachs!!!) and/or a withdrawl symptom or could be a flu or something else altogether. best to check it out and be sure if you can.
whatever route you choose remember less is more right now and its only a matter of very little time before youll be back at it full force, dont get over zealous and be your own hindrance at getting back to it ASAP.
I would lower the Epi dose as well and keep it at maintenance type dose for now to prevent muscle wasting but nothing more.
Honestly your best bet isnt to try and fight through this, take it easy, hit a low intensity workout if you absolutely have to BUT by no means go in there trying to crush things and use less supps, no need to waste em now with half work and possibly waste them altogether with an upchuck.
I would kick over to Advil (ibuprofen) ONLY and only do so when absolutely necessary as the darvocet obviously has its own drawbacks and regardless of it being a pain reliever it actually slows the healing process and further stresses your liver and the rest of your body as a result. Same is even true for the Advil as many NSAIDs can reduce muscle synthesis and slow recovery overall... use that in gm intensity youve built up to just fight the pain..... its a tough battle though for sure.
Im certain if you do these things youll be back up to par in no time.... BUT it may not hurt to see the doc and make sure you dont have something else as well, could be a side from the darvocet (remember it upsets stomachs!!!) and/or a withdrawl symptom or could be a flu or something else altogether. best to check it out and be sure if you can.
whatever route you choose remember less is more right now and its only a matter of very little time before youll be back at it full force, dont get over zealous and be your own hindrance at getting back to it ASAP.
vikinginc
Well-known member
I was thinking about it earlier as I was walking about .. M-drol is off the shelf once again .. And Epi is @ 30mg/day . .My appetite is non-existant, so I'm forcing down shakes and eating protein bars. Sitting here on the couch with sweat dripping down my forehead from 'not having it' . Miserable feeling. Headache is coming back again, and I find myself enjoying laying down on the couch or in bed.
It's weird, my dog knows something's going on with me. Everytime I lay down on the couch, he jumps up on me and sits down on my stomach, attentive, browsing his surrounding as if protecting me .. it's strange . .
Definitely losing water on myself, whatever was there .. along with water loss. I keep drinking Xtend and I wish I had some Poseidon right now do add to the Xtend a couple times a day. From what I heard of it, it would help in many ways right now.
I'm thinking of picking up a pizza now, a $5 medium. Hope to chow down some calories right now. I won't fight this, as I find that pharmaceuticals are beyond my reach of control .. It's gonna be tough to get through school and work for sure, as I've got to head back tomorrow. I'll be informing my boss of my situation, but may require a doctors visit for 'validity' of claiming a withdrawal issue .. got testing at the end of the week as well, and have accumulated two more from this past week of being out. It's gonna be a rough couple weeks ahead I'm afraid. I'll more than likely use my apartment complex gym for the remainder of the week, as it's right here and I wouldn't waste gas driving to the gym for a 15 minute session. They'd probably have what I'd need as well, as I don't last for $hit anymore . .
VolcomX311
Legend
Loyal, attentive dogs are awesome.
thundergod
Well-known member
Thomas----I hate this for you brother every bit as much as you do. Believe it. I am frustrated for you. I am mad for you. I am going to fukk up the weights this morning for you also!! :hammer: I am not as well-versed as Volcom nor our esteemed Poopypants. But I will say that when you decided to return to intense training, you still had major oral surgery you were rebounding from. You had a measurable amount of infection down in those sockets as well. Training in such a state usually compounds those type of problems. Not every ailment nor malady can be properly "trained through" in every situation. I would have done the EXACT same thing as you did however. We Norsemen do everything the hard way. LOL It's in our Teutonic genetic code or something. You ARE going to have to take 1 step backwards in order to take 2 steps forward again. I wish I could articulate this better, but I'm just an old warrior, not a scholar, a statesman, nor an orator. Take it easy for a few while low-dosing the Epi. Give yourself a week to truly recover. Kick back up the Epi and M-Drol and have at it again. But most importantly.......control your mind!! You already found out how frustrating it is to not be able to control your body. That's natural, that happens to us all. It is how we respond to it that shows if we are champions or not. Get control of your mind. Do not let it dictate to you.
shaddow
Well-known member
Yeah, I believe therein lies the problem. It isn't a minor surgery even though you can walk and talk afterwards and probably be back at work within a couple days. I mean, they're essentially doing surgery on YOUR FACE and you have huge craters left where your teeth once were that are VERY susceptible to bleeding. This alone can easily cause blood pressure issues, headaches, nausea... Then add in the intensity with which you work out, and the anabolics that you are taking... I'd actually bet the dry socket was a direct cause of continuing to workout. This is why I was telling you to reschedule the procedure. I'm not here to say 'I told you so' or anything like that, so I appologize if it sounds like that, but at this point I think the best thing you can do is just rest. Let your mouth heal. Then continue your workouts. But rest is the most important thing right now for you to completely heal and move on. Otherwise you're just gonna keep prolonging the problems. Best wishes, my viking friend. You are indeed a warrior; there is no question about it. But even warriors must rest.
-shaddow
russianstar
Well-known member
Are you ok bro? Where are you?
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Viking:
I have made a protocol I think may be beneficial for you, so I thought I would post it publicly!
Wake Up:
1 Anabolic Pump
2 Stoked
2 Activate Extreme
Sesamin Oil
CLA
Fish Oil
Stimulant of your choice
5g Creatine
During Workout:
Water w/ 4 scoops of extend.
10g extra Leucine.
Immediately Post-Workout:
1000mg P-Slin
2 Scoops Whey
120g WMS.
Now, the important thing, is that you must have the Bulk P-Slin, the WMS, and the Whey all in a shake immediately after you workout. This entails bringing a shaker and simply downing it before you change!
Now, the point of this protocol is essentially as follows: To begin training fasted [as to utilize AP's lipolytic/anti-lipogenic effects, combined with a PPAR-agonist (Sesamin)], and then 'supersaturate' the muscle belly following this process. The way I have arranged things, we are attempting to beneficially manipulate your body's own very natural processes.
The rest of the day should be carried out similar to the way you have it arranged now!
I have made a protocol I think may be beneficial for you, so I thought I would post it publicly!
Wake Up:
1 Anabolic Pump
2 Stoked
2 Activate Extreme
Sesamin Oil
CLA
Fish Oil
Stimulant of your choice
5g Creatine
During Workout:
Water w/ 4 scoops of extend.
10g extra Leucine.
Immediately Post-Workout:
1000mg P-Slin
2 Scoops Whey
120g WMS.
Now, the important thing, is that you must have the Bulk P-Slin, the WMS, and the Whey all in a shake immediately after you workout. This entails bringing a shaker and simply downing it before you change!
Now, the point of this protocol is essentially as follows: To begin training fasted [as to utilize AP's lipolytic/anti-lipogenic effects, combined with a PPAR-agonist (Sesamin)], and then 'supersaturate' the muscle belly following this process. The way I have arranged things, we are attempting to beneficially manipulate your body's own very natural processes.
The rest of the day should be carried out similar to the way you have it arranged now!
thundergod
Well-known member
He told Russianstar that he was going to put a up a new thread last Saturday. I haven't seen it yet. Whut up viking?! :think:Dang, what service!Lookit Mullet go..
Very nice, like the layout immensely. Now we just gotta figure out what happened to Thomas..
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Dang, what service!
Very nice, like the layout immensely. Now we just gotta figure out what happened to Thomas..
It has worked for me! My only additions are 4 caps PFULL and 2 caps ReCreate prior to fasted training.
thundergod
Well-known member
The fasted training still has me curious. I have NEVER trained without eating at least 2 hours prior. But since I started training in the A.M. for the last 2 years, it would be a great opportunity to try it. It's just hard for me to conceive working out so hard without some nutrition in me.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Well, the broader processes of nocturnal lipolysis provide the nutrition, TG! As you sleep, you enter a state of glucose depravation, and thereby a state of energy necessity; in response, your body turns to itself (catabolism - but natural to provide energy for anabolism) for energy provision in the form of lipolysis. Lipolysis is merely hydrolyzing stored triglycerides (adipose tissue) into a glycerol and two fatty-acid groups. The fatty acid groups can be subsequently become the primary substrate for oxidation (energy provision) in lieu of glucose. In normal states, you merely redeposit these fatty acids via the PPAR group to become stored adipose tissue again; in fasted states of training, you utilize them!
snagency
Banned
With the right supps in place, you really don't miss the food at all. And there's something about taking that upper on a completely empty stomach like that, the synergy going on, I actually have more energy in this fashion.
thundergod
Well-known member
I've already considered how much harder my stims and BA would hit me training fasted like this. The whole concept has me substantially intrigued. I know I would still have nutrition in me stored from the night before. I just worded it incorrectly. I meant recent nutrition. It's still hard for me to fathom working out so hard without it. But I'm willing to experiment of course. I'm seeing more people trying it and liking it.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
I too find greater energy with fasted-states of training. Remember that glucose oxidation comprises only 1/3 of the energy in contraction; lipids form the oxidative substrate of the other 2/3!
vikinginc
Well-known member
Mullet,
I really appreciate the quick feedback, and the detailed method of dosing, serving sizes, etc ! Thanks a whole lot!
Now, fellas, I thought I would be able to start another thread last weekend around, but I failed miserably . . in the gym . . time and time again . . I took a couple of days off, then hit the gym for the first successful training session in nearly three weeks, yesterday, on Halloween. It was the first workout where I felt strong, where I went beyond the 20 minute mark in length (5 out of 6 workouts since surgery had me leaving the gym within 10-15 minutes due to severe nausea, lethargy, migraine, etc . . .).
Since yesterday was my first real day back (I hope, knock on wood, that it wasn't just ONE good day, but the beginning of many) I will start another thread either TODAY (more than likely YES) or tomorrow. I'm thinking I'll have enough time on my hands today to write it out, so bare with me.
I'm aiming for another workout today; arms, more than likely. Next week will be my REAL week back, and I'm hoping to be able to get in an anabolic mode right off the bat. I've leaned up a bit as a result of not having worked out, and having decreased my caloric consumption drastically the past week (un-intentionally, appetite has been non-existant), and obviously lost a lot of water from my excessive night sweats and throwing up a lot (even when i've got nothing to throw up).
Anyway, I'm back . . I'll be back in full action REAL soon.
Thanks a lot, fellas!!
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
That is fine. In terms of total carbohydrate load, I would simply spread carbohydrates out as you would normally. The risk for adipose gain on this particular layout is very, very low by nature. Mass gains are not inherently quick on it either, but it is amazing for noticeable recomposition.
vikinginc
Well-known member
Great to hear, I'm looking forward to this one!
snagency
Banned
Exactly - I'm loving going on 2-week little mini-bulks, then running fasted training for 7-10 days to help eliminate the little excess that I don't like seeing on me.
I recently ran a 7-day quick-bulk, 75k calories over the week (goal was at least 10k cal per day), am now backing that up with a 10-day fasted training run. Got a bit soft looking toward the end of the bulk, but by my 2nd fasted w/o and pulling back the intake a bit (2600-3200 cals/day), I'm DIGGING the results!
russianstar
Well-known member
Its the only way to do cardio for me, and it just gets me motivated and energized for the whole day. You need to give it a go bro!!!
vikinginc
Well-known member
.. as for the Anabolic Pump. Will I remain @ 1 cap/day? Or should I do 3 caps? If so, if there a particular timing ? Or would you want me to try 2 caps AP pre-workout ?
VolcomX311
Legend
Good to see you around Thomas!
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vikinginc
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I've been lurking, my friend . . . but it's been too depressive to be motivated enough to begin a new log and to pay attention to everyone else around here doing some serious growing, so I took a little break. Been roaming around the politics/news article sections of both am.com and bb.com's forum; waiting for the Election..
Norwegian's Twisted PCT Re-comp Extravaganza is currently in the making . . .
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
2 caps Pre-WO may work!
thundergod
Well-known member
Actually, after I mentioned the fasting training, I remembered that I always do my cardio in this fashion. Before eating. I wake up, take my supps, and a half an hour to 45 minutes later, I do my cardio. I train like this 3 times per week. And yes, the energy is great. It's the strength aspect of fasted training that has me worried a bit. I know my energy levels will be fine with the fasted training. I would just hate to see my strength drop off at all.
russianstar
Well-known member
I know what helps my strength stay up, as you say fasted cardio can play havoc with your lifts, so i always take a scoop of creatine before and after fasted cardio, with about 8 grams bcaa.
Works for me bro.
TexasLifter89
Well-known member
hope your doin better man. recovery is worth its time in gold
vikinginc
Well-known member
I am man, thanks ! .. and you'd know about 'recovery being worth its time in gold'; hope your back is healing and you're able to go heavy again !