VECTOR pre release leaks and info

[brundel]

Difficult to tell but have felt like my test has dropped whilst on Vector. Kinda wish I had bloods done before I started so I can tell, but I hate needles Have felt low and drained and needed more sleep recently, low sex drive and found it difficult to start training. I have had good strength and found the weight a little lighter. Have dropped my calories just slightly since starting Vector but all other supps have remained the same. Looking for a good test boost now.

You need to eat more man.
Dropping cals will give you the symptoms you are experiencing. If your in caloric deficit you can pretty much always expect to feel weaker, tired etc as the body isnt getting maintenance cals.
Bump cals up to maintenance or I suggest over maintenance if you want to grow or gain.
We dont gain in deficit.

 

[brundel]

I'm curious which ingredient in Vector is making me horny? Like f*** man I feel like I can do some crazy s*** right now.

Seems like some guys see strong effects on libido and some dont. Not 100% certain why.

 

[brundel]

I got my blood work back from last month. It’s safe to say Vector didn’t raise testosterone levels in me. I was pretty deep in a Vector run when I had my blood draw. My total T came back about 100 points lower then last year iirc. My Total T came back at 286. Before people start saying it must have lowered my Testosterone I will let you know this is a somewhat normal T level for me. I know it’s low, but I have been sitting in the 300s since getting off TRT.

This really isn’t a surprise to me. I had a feeling Vector doesn’t impact test levels that’s just not it’s primary MOA. It increased appetite and strength that allowed me to gain weight on it. I loved the product and can’t wait to jump back on it.

Im not surprised.
And yes its for sure not its MOA.

 

[brundel]

Boys everything is going well. Now I'm Vector employee ...
I just need to add a zero-stimulating fat burning product. I'm trying to go into more marked hypocaloric.
An advice? Brundel what do you recommend? Thanks to those who answer me.

ps.
I checked the blood tests,
I have liver enzymes a bit 'high, what can it depend?
I eat 3gr of pro per pound of weight ... can it depend on this?

Exotherm is a good non stimulating fat burner.
3g pro per lb is ALOT of protein. You are for sure not utilizing that and it can cause strain on kidneys. Not sure whats causing liver strain. Vector doesnt effect liver and I dont think even the high protein can but thats ALOT of protein. You could cut that in half and not experience any difference.

 

[Whey]

Seems like some guys see strong effects on libido and some dont. Not 100% certain why.

maybe it is something some guys are lacking.

 

[bb333]

Exotherm is a good non stimulating fat burner.
3g pro per lb is ALOT of protein. You are for sure not utilizing that and it can cause strain on kidneys. Not sure whats causing liver strain. Vector doesnt effect liver and I dont think even the high protein can but thats ALOT of protein. You could cut that in half and not experience any difference.

Thank you! Yes, they lower proteins

 

[brundel]

maybe it is something some guys are lacking.

Yes its possible that in those with a healthy HPTA it raises test levels.
Might be something completely different.
There are indicators that test might increase and that other hormones may be modulated but again the research is limited.
I think we should look at it as a bonus. If you see increased libido, sweet. If not, no big deal, the Vector is still working to help us build muscle, burn fat and improve performance.

 

[M.I.D]

Been on vector for few months now, saw some great body changes and size gains. Stopped taking for a week to come on holiday and feel like lost it all when looking in the mirror.

Anyone else lost it all when stopping?

 

[justhere4comm]

Been on vector for few months now, saw some great body changes and size gains. Stopped taking for a week to come on holiday and feel like lost it all when looking in the mirror.

Anyone else lost it all when stopping?

I haven't stopped using it. Start up again and see what happens? Have you stopped hydrating? If you're losing water your muscles will look and feel less full. I'm sure brundel and other will chime in. I actually took a week off while resupplying and did not have that effect.

I did 4 weeks eating just above maintenance and didn't notice anything at all, unfortunately.

When was your last AAS/PH/SARMS cycle? If you haven't recovered, you'll not be getting anything from any product until you have reset your HPTA axis. Just because you don't feel shut down doesn't mean you aren't. Your support cycle supplements, and post cycle are pivotal to moving forward and continued goals.

That said:

4 weeks isn't enough to show using any natural anabolic I'm aware of. This is a long-term use product like 12 weeks. In the first weeks most people, and that's a majority of users have felt the difference in strength gains, and other positive effects. I'm not sure what you would expect eating just above maintenance for 4 weeks? That would be more of a PH or AAS cycle which more often than not starts week 3/4 into 5/6 then PCT where you try to hold onto your gains.

It could be your expectation points going in were set incorrectly. This is a very healthy long term product that would not require you to reset your lipids, and HPTA among other things dressed during an AAS cycle.

Bulking would also require you to go a bit further above maintenance gradually and incrementally.

 

[brundel]

Been on vector for few months now, saw some great body changes and size gains. Stopped taking for a week to come on holiday and feel like lost it all when looking in the mirror.

Anyone else lost it all when stopping?

Holiday- probably didnt train. We deflate when we dont train.
And we cant keep the same effects once we stop a product. This is the same for any anabolic. This is why I havnt stopped lol.

 

[brundel]

I did 4 weeks eating just above maintenance and didn't notice anything at all, unfortunately.

Youll want to increase cals more. Vector will increase metabolism, increase protein synthesis, increase glucose uptake. Similar to an anabolic steroid but through a different pathway. This means that if you dont eat more than normal you will likely lose weight or stay the same. Need to add more bricks to build a new wall.

Also I agree with justhere4comm
How is the health of your HPTA? Have you been running aas/PH/ds?
Are you close to or within 6 months of PCT?

 

[DEVANS89]

I’m going to ask in here as it’s got lots of traffic;

I’m finishing up on a two month run do vector/follidrone

I’m not sure where to go from here...

I want to start trimming down now and getting lean/hard


Should I go for ;

Follidrone/letrone/viron
Follidrone/exotherm/viron?

Or just go with follidorne one of the above?


I’ve read that letrone is potent and some can run 1 cap a day on it and have effects which makes it cost effective, However transdermals have always interested me..

Any ideas/thoughts?

 

[justhere4comm]

If it helps. I’m going to finish my 3rd tub of Vector and trip into a Letrone Viron Exorherm Follidrone for 8 weeks at least. Maybe 12.

 

[cgreid3]

I noticed the kme has the potential to incease testerone which is only a a concern bc of the hailoss issues hence why i tend to only used nattys that dont interfere w my hormones. Should i be concerned? Has anyone experenced shedding or test increase while on Vector?

 

[DEVANS89]

If it helps. I’m going to finish my 3rd tub of Vector and trip into a Letrone Viron Exorherm Follidrone for 8 weeks at least. Maybe 12.

Wouldn’t letrone/exotherm be overkill?

 

[justhere4comm]

Wouldn’t letrone/exotherm be overkill?

I'm on TRT so probably no. I'd eliminate my Aromasin in lieu of the Letrone (1 cap daily) , and the Exotherm would be a very light AI.

 

[Studhorse]

I noticed the kme has the potential to incease testerone which is only a a concern bc of the hailoss issues hence why i tend to only used nattys that dont interfere w my hormones. Should i be concerned? Has anyone experenced shedding or test increase while on Vector?

I had no shedding. Cant vouch for the test increase, no blood work. I have been lifting natty for over 35 years.
It didn't jack with my hormones. I ran 8 weeks and them 12 weeks and felt great the whole time! I would suggest increasing cals and water intake.

 

[cgreid3]

I had no shedding. Cant vouch for the test increase, no blood work. I have been lifting natty for over 35 years.
It didn't jack with my hormones. I ran 8 weeks and them 12 weeks and felt great the whole time! I would suggest increasing cals and water intake.

Thanks alot ! I've been dying to try this stuff since all these great reviews, just not at the expense of my hairline lol

 

[D3x]

Bald is the new black

 

[M.I.D]

Holiday- probably didnt train. We deflate when we dont train.
And we cant keep the same effects once we stop a product. This is the same for any anabolic. This is why I havnt stopped lol.

Ye will see what happens after a few weeks back on and training. Hopefully blow up again

 

[brundel]

Thanks alot ! I've been dying to try this stuff since all these great reviews, just not at the expense of my hairline lol

There is no reason to expect hairloss.
This is something you expect with androgenic steroids. Not plant based anabolics.
I have never seen even 1 example of someone experiencing hairloss from Vector.

 

[cgreid3]

There is no reason to expect hairloss.
This is something you expect with androgenic steroids. Not plant based anabolics.
I have never seen even 1 example of someone experiencing hairloss from Vector.

Kme is advertised on the description to increase testosterone and Approximately 5 % to 10% of a person's testosterone is converted into DHT so is where my concern lies.

 

[justhere4comm]

Kme is advertised on the description to increase testosterone and Approximately 5 % to 10% of a person's testosterone is converted into DHT so is where my concern lies.

You'd be lucky to have any test booster jump your number by 5-10%. What's really important is your free test. That would be in the realm of Viron which has *20mg of Boron Citrate and that has been proven to lower your SHBG dramatically and as such increasing your free testosterone. (The study with KME was with females by the way)


There's no need to be concerned about hair loss. If by chance, your testosterone increased, it would be minuscule and as such any conversation to DHT also, miniscule. What you have covered from your natural endogenous Testosterone is what you need to build muscle.

I hope this helps bring closure to your concern.
The best stack in my opinion would be Viron and Vector along with Follidrone 2.0


*20mg of Boron Citrate which is double that study amount of 10mg.

 

[brundel]

Kme is advertised on the description to increase testosterone and Approximately 5 % to 10% of a person's testosterone is converted into DHT so is where my concern lies.

I know guys who have been running heavy steroid cycles for decades, some of which are DHT derivatives, and still have a full head of hair.
A small increase wont cause balding. Even a major test booster (KME isnt) would not be likely to cause balding.
This is something you would generally associate with a steroid or prohormone but not a natural plant based anabolic. THey are just not androgenic enough.

 

[chedapalooza]

I’m going to ask in here as it’s got lots of traffic;

I’m finishing up on a two month run do vector/follidrone

I’m not sure where to go from here...

I want to start trimming down now and getting lean/hard


Should I go for ;

Follidrone/letrone/viron
Follidrone/exotherm/viron?

Or just go with follidorne one of the above?


I’ve read that letrone is potent and some can run 1 cap a day on it and have effects which makes it cost effective, However transdermals have always interested me..

Any ideas/thoughts?

Follidrone2.0, Letrone and Viron is an awesome combo. You definitely wouldn’t be disappointed.

 

[cgreid3]

I know guys who have been running heavy steroid cycles for decades, some of which are DHT derivatives, and still have a full head of hair.
A small increase wont cause balding. Even a major test booster (KME isnt) would not be likely to cause balding.
This is something you would generally associate with a steroid or prohormone but not a natural plant based anabolic. THey are just not androgenic enough.

Understood and thank you for your comments they are greatly appreciated, however the comparison you made is misleading. Male pattern baldness is genetic and if you are genetically predisposed to hair loss ( which i high percentage of men are) a testosterone increase will likely cause shedding bc of its conversion into dht hence why if you check the forums you will find posts of people who have suffered hairloss from PLANT based supplements while others have not. Its a thing of genetics in this case

 

[justhere4comm]

And my hair is coming in thicker all over. Everywhere. Running FD2 and Vector. The men in my family suffer from receding hairlines and in some cases baldness.

 

[soxbsbll05]

No one honestly thinks that natural anabolics raise testosterone, right? I have male pattern baldness (Unfortunately, bad genetics) and have been using natural anabolics consistently for the past couple years with no additional hair loss.

 

[blongo804]

I had pre Vector bloods done and will be getting post Vector bloods done.

I have 3 bottles, just started week 5 (so second bottle), and still debating if I want to do an 8 or 12 week cycle.

So far I *think* I'm noticing a bump in strength. Things are starting to feel light.. Like not only am I hitting weight PR's but also rep PR's..

If this trend continues into next week, I think I'll have to thank Vector for the strength.

Following up on this because I just had blood drawn today. Results likely coming tomorrow. 3 bottles of Vector in 3 months, and I'm about a week or two without it now.

 

[cgreid3]

No one honestly thinks that natural anabolics raise testosterone, right? I have male pattern baldness (Unfortunately, bad genetics) and have been using natural anabolics consistently for the past couple years with no additional hair loss.

Absolutely yes. Testosterone converts to DHT, DHT is one of the androgens responsible for hair loss. Therefore more test = more DHT = chance of sped up hair loss.

 

[christ83189]

Absolutely yes. Testosterone converts to DHT, DHT is one of the androgens responsible for hair loss. Therefore more test = more DHT = chance of sped up hair loss.

Any natural compound isnt gonna raise test production enough to make any sort of difference with that though. There may be exceptions with certain people i guess but not many

 

[justhere4comm]

Absolutely yes. Testosterone converts to DHT, DHT is one of the androgens responsible for hair loss. Therefore more test = more DHT = chance of sped up hair loss.

"chance".

DHT:
*and, muscle growth; deeper voice; everything that is man in man. It happens with your testosterone naturally in your body, and nothing natural will increase it to the point where it would become an issue. If you have male pattern baldness, it is going to happen to you wether you take exogenous testosterone or not. I am on TRT and it's not sped up anything with regard to what has been happening naturally. An over-abundance of DHT could cause shedding. This will not happen with Vector.

3 things DHT is responsible for in men
- Body Hair
- Muscle Growth
- Deeper Voice

That and a little known fact, Maple Syrup...
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Restating:
Vector will not make you shed your hair any more or less than has been played out genetically and predominantly in every individual's situation. I've personally experienced more growth and thicker hair with my stack of FD2 and Vector.

A great stack:
I'd recommend a Viron / Vector / FD2 stack that would actually free up more testosterone and improve many other areas of your health and promote a really great recomping effect. That tied in with a great diet and program would be amazing, and you would love it.

 

[brundel]

Any natural compound isnt gonna raise test production enough to make any sort of difference with that though. There may be exceptions with certain people i guess but not many

Exactly. Sure, it might raise test. Sure you might also see a rise in DHT but I dont know of any test boosters than raise test above normal range and therefore will also not raise DHT out of normal ranges.

Some people are just going to go Bald.

 

[blongo804]

Blood test results are in! Looks like e2 went down a bit for whatever reason, otherwise everything is in a happy range it appears.

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[Whey]

My nipples are getting puffy. Im on week 6. Is this because of the vector? Anything I should take? Like an anti estrogen? I am not prone to gyno - ive done real cycles back in the early 2000s.

 

[blongo804]

My nipples are getting puffy. Im on week 6. Is this because of the vector? Anything I should take? Like an anti estrogen? I am not prone to gyno - ive done real cycles back in the early 2000s.

Can't imagine it's from Vector. My post above even shows a decrease in E2 after 3 tubs/12 weeks of it. If it's truly a bit of gyno, I'm sure an anti-e will take care of it if caught early enough.

 

[Whey]

Can't imagine it's from Vector. My post above even shows a decrease in E2 after 3 tubs/12 weeks of it. If it's truly a bit of gyno, I'm sure an anti-e will take care of it if caught early enough.

Your right, I got to get blood work and go from there.

 

[brundel]

Your right, I got to get blood work and go from there.

Yah there is no indication Vector will raise estrogen significantly and none of the labs Ive seen showed an unusual spike in estro.
Blongos dropped.

I agree that labs are not a bad idea. Can also run an AI like Letrone but it will of course skew any labs.
I would do one or the other. AI and see if it subsides. Or labs.

 

[AntSoldier]

Yah there is no indication Vector will raise estrogen significantly and none of the labs Ive seen showed an unusual spike in estro.
Blongos dropped.

I agree that labs are not a bad idea. Can also run an AI like Letrone but it will of course skew any labs.
I would do one or the other. AI and see if it subsides. Or labs.

Strange? I too and on week 6 of vector. Think I am noticing puffy nipples?!?! What other signs would show gyno? I had itchy nipples ten days ago approx.

 

[brundel]

Strange? I too and on week 6 of vector. Think I am noticing puffy nipples?!?! What other signs would show gyno? I had itchy nipples ten days ago approx.

I think people tend to think they have gyno when 80% of the time they dont. This is because everyone always talks about it. But, gyno comes from aromatizing steroids. Vector isnt a steroid and doesnt aromatize.

1. Vector cant cause gyno.
2. Because it doesnt elevate estrogen. Recent labs show a drop not a rise in estrogen.
3. touching or pinching your nipples will irritate them causing them to swell and hurt. Stop touching them.

If you have gyno, youll know. It feels like glass under your nipples. Its uncomfortable to wear a shirt. You dont ever need to touch or feel your nipples to know.

 

[AntSoldier]

I think people tend to think they have gyno when 80% of the time they dont. This is because everyone always talks about it. But, gyno comes from aromatizing steroids. Vector isnt a steroid and doesnt aromatize.

1. Vector cant cause gyno.
2. Because it doesnt elevate estrogen. Recent labs show a drop not a rise in estrogen.
3. touching or pinching your nipples will irritate them causing them to swell and hurt. Stop touching them.

If you have gyno, youll know. It feels like glass under your nipples. Its uncomfortable to wear a shirt. You dont ever need to touch or feel your nipples to know.

LoL I am fine then! Just a bit puffy. Maybe I am getting fat

 

[brundel]

LoL I am fine then! Just a bit puffy. Maybe I am getting fat

Prob just growing and not accustomed to the changes.
Im certain you wont get gyno though so dont think it or youll be stressed out about it lol.
This is one of the benefits of using something like this. Lack of side effects.

 

[Wobmarvel]

"You dont ever need to touch or feel your nipples to know."

Yeah but where's the fun in that?

 

[bb333]

Exotherm is a good non stimulating fat burner.
3g pro per lb is ALOT of protein. You are for sure not utilizing that and it can cause strain on kidneys. Not sure whats causing liver strain. Vector doesnt effect liver and I dont think even the high protein can but thats ALOT of protein. You could cut that in half and not experience any difference.

Little OT.
Exotherm ordered!
Get home next week.
Any advice on how to use it?

They are in the fourth week of Vector, the fifth for Follidrone.
Everything is going well.

 

[brundel]

"You dont ever need to touch or feel your nipples to know."

Yeah but where's the fun in that?

Coming soon!!!
Black Lion Research branded nipple clips.
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[brundel]

Little OT.
Exotherm ordered!
Get home next week.
Any advice on how to use it?

They are in the fourth week of Vector, the fifth for Follidrone.
Everything is going well.

Ive been doing
2 Vector
1 Follidrone
1 Pump Exo

3 times daily.

 

[TheMovement]

I think people tend to think they have gyno when 80% of the time they dont. This is because everyone always talks about it. But, gyno comes from aromatizing steroids. Vector isnt a steroid and doesnt aromatize.

1. Vector cant cause gyno.
2. Because it doesnt elevate estrogen. Recent labs show a drop not a rise in estrogen.
3. touching or pinching your nipples will irritate them causing them to swell and hurt. Stop touching them.

If you have gyno, youll know. It feels like glass under your nipples. Its uncomfortable to wear a shirt. You dont ever need to touch or feel your nipples to know.

I literally spewed water across my office!!!

Its the human condition, when we think something is wrong we blow it out of the scope so quickly. Ive done it lol.

 

[Studhorse]

Little OT.
Exotherm ordered!
Get home next week.
Any advice on how to use it?

They are in the fourth week of Vector, the fifth for Follidrone.
Everything is going well.

I use 2 pumps after my shower every day.
What is OT?

 

[D3x]

Coming soon!!!
Black Lion Research branded nipple clips.
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Any idea on preorder date for this product?

 

[justhere4comm]

Nipple Clips? I hope they're organic and non GMO, vegetarian, light carb.