VECTOR pre release leaks and info
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jt75
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Yeah let's wrap this up
brundel
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Havnt seen any issues.
Sniper9191
Member
Man I am can’t wait for this to come out!
I haven’t seen this big of a lead up to a supp, that I can remember!
I am assuming and hoping in the same breath it lives up to the hype/ build up. And am waiting to see that 2nd ingredient as well! brundel I would like to compliment you on how you played this out brilliantly
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You have me on the edge of my seat as with all the others!
I haven’t seen this big of a lead up to a supp, that I can remember!
I am assuming and hoping in the same breath it lives up to the hype/ build up. And am waiting to see that 2nd ingredient as well! brundel I would like to compliment you on how you played this out brilliantly
.You have me on the edge of my seat as with all the others!
Studhorse
Legend
I didn't get any blood pressure increases. as far a histamine I don't think it lowers it but I don't really get allergies and if i do it's in the spring and very light. My dad started all us kids on local honey early and I have continued to use. One of my sisters thought it was stupid and now she has allergies and prefers to take shots. My brother and other sister still eat it every day and we hardly ever have allergies.
I did get some very small pimples (The ones you can't see but can feel ) on my upper back after about a week when I upped my does to 4ea. 3 times a day. I only did this for 12 days. My wife bought me some coconut oil body wash about that time so I can't say it was the Vector. I stopped using the body wash and lowered my dose back to 2 ea. 3 times a day and it went away.
I didn't even notice the little pimples. my wife noticed them when she was giving me a magnesium lotion message.
jgntyce
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Lotion massage. Vector will only lead to other things after that!!!!
brundel
Board Sponsor
Ok so I need to stop tinkering and adding info.
I can fill in more when we are ready for release but here is Ingredient number 2.
As with Eriobotrya the extract type and strength are of great importance because depending on extraction type certain constituents are either present or not present. And of course 100:1 extract means we use 100kilos of raw plant material to = 1kg of our extract.
Korean mistletoe (Viscum album coloratum) 1000mg @ 100:1 extract.
(KME)is a semi-parasitic plant that grows on various trees and has a diverse range of effects on biological functions. KME has been shown to have anti-tumor, immunostimulatory, anti-diabetic, and anti-obesity properties. Of interest to us as athletes KME has been reported to increase strength, muscle mass and improve overall exercise capacity. Of course we love to hear this but these days we want to know how and why so lets explore how KME works.
MUSCLE MASS
One of the primary goals of the bodybuilder is muscle mass and we know of many things that lead to increased skeletal muscle. Anabolic androgenic steroids are the first things most people think of and for good reason. Anabolic steroids are wonderfully effective and can help you reach levels of muscularity that are just not possible without them. These gains, however, are not without their costs. Anabolic steroids lead to a host of disease states and health issues along with their status as illegal drugs. This makes them less than ideal for most people. Of course there are designer steroids and prohormones and SARMS but these too have their negatives.
There has to be a solution.
Its been largely demonstrated that nature is a beast of a pharmaceutical lab. Its hard to deny nature as we see that many of the drugs we use come from plants, including most narcotics, chemo meds, nootropics etc. Why then are there not fantastic anabolic agents in nature? There are.
KME has been in use as a health agent for ages. Scientists speculated that KME may be anabolic in vivo and a number of clinical studies were conducted to validate this hypothesis. KME has been proven to not only prevent muscle atrophy but also to promote skeletal muscle hypertrophy. This is important because it means that KME both increases muscle growth and prevents muscle which makes it an ultra strong muscle mass building ingredient. Mice Fed KME for 4 weeks showed increases in muscle mass and grip strength. The research indicated multiple factors leading to this result not least of which is the well known AKT/mTOR pathway. Rats fed KME showed increased whole body weight, larger quadriceps and greatly increased strength. It was therefore determined that KME is anabolic as it directly leads to larger stronger muscles. In addition to greater muscle fiber area and diameter KME fed mice showed incredible increases in endurance and exercise capacity making KME an ideal candidate for use in physique, strength and endurance athletes.
ENDURANCE/EXERCISE.
KME has been shown to decrease fatigue and increase endurance. Increased mitochondrial oxygen consumption and the increased expression of PPARy lead to increases of up to 212% in forced swim tests. KME reduces plasma ammonia levels, improves fuel utilization and enhances exercise performance. In one study researchers adminstered endurance capacity tests. KME fed animals ran TWICE AS FAR as their high fat diet only counterparts which is frankly amazing 100% increases in endurance is like no other natural anabolic currently available.
FAT LOSS
A big part of what makes anabolic steroids appealing is the ability to build muscle while losing fat. This is the Holy Grail of bodybuilding. Fat loss while building muscle.
In a 15 week experiment KME was fed to animals along with a high fat diet. Around week 9 it became evident that the KME fed animals were gaining less weight with no differences in the amount of food taken in. At the end of the experiment the KME fed animals had 20% less bodyfat than their high fat diet only animals and when tested it was determined that the loss was adipose tissue. KME increases thermogenesis and nearly triples the amount of UCP1 (uncoupling protein 1), a principal thermogenic mitochondrial molecule related to energy dissipating in subcutaneous fat. To demonstrate the inhibitory mechanism of KME on fat cells adipogenic factors were studied. They measured the expression levels of the transcription factors PPAR, C/EBP-a, and SREBP-1c in 3T3-L1 cells treated with KME. The results show that PPAR-, C/EBP-a, and SREBP-1c mRNA levels were decreased by 64%, 60%, and 32%, respectively. Finally they also measured the mRNA expression levels of adipogenic enzymes, such as FAS, ACS, and ACC. These adipogenic enzymes were reduced by 69%, 55%, and 22%. Overall the research indicated that adipogenic factors were decreased by 89% compared to that of untreated cells giving KME an unprecidented level of fat loss power for something that is also incredibly anabolic.
EFFECTS ON HORMONES.
KME has been shown to have a significant impact on the HPTA. KME leads to increased Leutinizing hormone, increased Testosterone and decreased prolactin.
This in turn makes VECTOR great for all purposes. Good alone, stacked, even during PCT.
Just a few of KME's MOAs=
AKT/mTOR
In adult skeletal muscle the akt/mTOR signaling pathway is currently recognized as the major pathway regulating protein synthesis.
VECTOR activates this pathway and in turn increases protein synthesis and muscle mass.
LH
increased leutinizing hormone leads to a significant increase in testosterone levels.
Atrogin 1-
Atrogin-1 is induced in response to myostatin/TGF-b signalling leading to muscle atrophy. Atrogin-1 and MuRF-1 have been identified as important enzymes in ubiquitin-mediated proteolysis and muscle atrophy, and modulating their expression via physical activity or targeting the upstream cytokines and growth factors that regulate their expression has the potential to prevent or reverse muscle atrophy. A reduction in Atrogin 1 prevents loss of muscle. This then makes VECTOR great at helping you hold onto muscle while dieting as its anabolic, anti catabolic and increases fat burning.
SMAD2/3
Both myostatin and TGF-ß are held in an inactive form in the muscle extracellular matrix, and when activated, bind to their receptors and activate Smad2/3. Generally speaking we want to see SMAD 2 and 3 drop while seeing an increase in SMAD 7. This is what we see with KME/VECTOR.
REFS:
1.- Korean mistletoe (Viscum album coloratum) extract regulates gene expression related to muscle atrophy and muscle hypertrophyhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5251312/
2.- Atrogin-1, MuRF-1, and sarcopenia
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3.- Korean mistletoe (Viscum album coloratum) extract improves endurance capacity in mice by stimulating mitochondrial activity.
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4.- A combination of Korean mistletoe extract and resistance exercise retarded the decline in muscle mass and strength in the elderly: A randomized controlled trial
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I can fill in more when we are ready for release but here is Ingredient number 2.
As with Eriobotrya the extract type and strength are of great importance because depending on extraction type certain constituents are either present or not present. And of course 100:1 extract means we use 100kilos of raw plant material to = 1kg of our extract.
Korean mistletoe (Viscum album coloratum) 1000mg @ 100:1 extract.
(KME)is a semi-parasitic plant that grows on various trees and has a diverse range of effects on biological functions. KME has been shown to have anti-tumor, immunostimulatory, anti-diabetic, and anti-obesity properties. Of interest to us as athletes KME has been reported to increase strength, muscle mass and improve overall exercise capacity. Of course we love to hear this but these days we want to know how and why so lets explore how KME works.
MUSCLE MASS
One of the primary goals of the bodybuilder is muscle mass and we know of many things that lead to increased skeletal muscle. Anabolic androgenic steroids are the first things most people think of and for good reason. Anabolic steroids are wonderfully effective and can help you reach levels of muscularity that are just not possible without them. These gains, however, are not without their costs. Anabolic steroids lead to a host of disease states and health issues along with their status as illegal drugs. This makes them less than ideal for most people. Of course there are designer steroids and prohormones and SARMS but these too have their negatives.
There has to be a solution.
Its been largely demonstrated that nature is a beast of a pharmaceutical lab. Its hard to deny nature as we see that many of the drugs we use come from plants, including most narcotics, chemo meds, nootropics etc. Why then are there not fantastic anabolic agents in nature? There are.
KME has been in use as a health agent for ages. Scientists speculated that KME may be anabolic in vivo and a number of clinical studies were conducted to validate this hypothesis. KME has been proven to not only prevent muscle atrophy but also to promote skeletal muscle hypertrophy. This is important because it means that KME both increases muscle growth and prevents muscle which makes it an ultra strong muscle mass building ingredient. Mice Fed KME for 4 weeks showed increases in muscle mass and grip strength. The research indicated multiple factors leading to this result not least of which is the well known AKT/mTOR pathway. Rats fed KME showed increased whole body weight, larger quadriceps and greatly increased strength. It was therefore determined that KME is anabolic as it directly leads to larger stronger muscles. In addition to greater muscle fiber area and diameter KME fed mice showed incredible increases in endurance and exercise capacity making KME an ideal candidate for use in physique, strength and endurance athletes.
ENDURANCE/EXERCISE.
KME has been shown to decrease fatigue and increase endurance. Increased mitochondrial oxygen consumption and the increased expression of PPARy lead to increases of up to 212% in forced swim tests. KME reduces plasma ammonia levels, improves fuel utilization and enhances exercise performance. In one study researchers adminstered endurance capacity tests. KME fed animals ran TWICE AS FAR as their high fat diet only counterparts which is frankly amazing 100% increases in endurance is like no other natural anabolic currently available.
FAT LOSS
A big part of what makes anabolic steroids appealing is the ability to build muscle while losing fat. This is the Holy Grail of bodybuilding. Fat loss while building muscle.
In a 15 week experiment KME was fed to animals along with a high fat diet. Around week 9 it became evident that the KME fed animals were gaining less weight with no differences in the amount of food taken in. At the end of the experiment the KME fed animals had 20% less bodyfat than their high fat diet only animals and when tested it was determined that the loss was adipose tissue. KME increases thermogenesis and nearly triples the amount of UCP1 (uncoupling protein 1), a principal thermogenic mitochondrial molecule related to energy dissipating in subcutaneous fat. To demonstrate the inhibitory mechanism of KME on fat cells adipogenic factors were studied. They measured the expression levels of the transcription factors PPAR, C/EBP-a, and SREBP-1c in 3T3-L1 cells treated with KME. The results show that PPAR-, C/EBP-a, and SREBP-1c mRNA levels were decreased by 64%, 60%, and 32%, respectively. Finally they also measured the mRNA expression levels of adipogenic enzymes, such as FAS, ACS, and ACC. These adipogenic enzymes were reduced by 69%, 55%, and 22%. Overall the research indicated that adipogenic factors were decreased by 89% compared to that of untreated cells giving KME an unprecidented level of fat loss power for something that is also incredibly anabolic.
EFFECTS ON HORMONES.
KME has been shown to have a significant impact on the HPTA. KME leads to increased Leutinizing hormone, increased Testosterone and decreased prolactin.
This in turn makes VECTOR great for all purposes. Good alone, stacked, even during PCT.
Just a few of KME's MOAs=
AKT/mTOR
In adult skeletal muscle the akt/mTOR signaling pathway is currently recognized as the major pathway regulating protein synthesis.
VECTOR activates this pathway and in turn increases protein synthesis and muscle mass.
LH
increased leutinizing hormone leads to a significant increase in testosterone levels.
Atrogin 1-
Atrogin-1 is induced in response to myostatin/TGF-b signalling leading to muscle atrophy. Atrogin-1 and MuRF-1 have been identified as important enzymes in ubiquitin-mediated proteolysis and muscle atrophy, and modulating their expression via physical activity or targeting the upstream cytokines and growth factors that regulate their expression has the potential to prevent or reverse muscle atrophy. A reduction in Atrogin 1 prevents loss of muscle. This then makes VECTOR great at helping you hold onto muscle while dieting as its anabolic, anti catabolic and increases fat burning.
SMAD2/3
Both myostatin and TGF-ß are held in an inactive form in the muscle extracellular matrix, and when activated, bind to their receptors and activate Smad2/3. Generally speaking we want to see SMAD 2 and 3 drop while seeing an increase in SMAD 7. This is what we see with KME/VECTOR.
REFS:
1.- Korean mistletoe (Viscum album coloratum) extract regulates gene expression related to muscle atrophy and muscle hypertrophyhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5251312/
2.- Atrogin-1, MuRF-1, and sarcopenia
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3.- Korean mistletoe (Viscum album coloratum) extract improves endurance capacity in mice by stimulating mitochondrial activity.
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4.- A combination of Korean mistletoe extract and resistance exercise retarded the decline in muscle mass and strength in the elderly: A randomized controlled trial
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iamyourfather
Active member
nice nice nice! sounds great!
but im curious if this is the same extract ad OL uses in their K1ngslayer? or is there a difference?
knowing that KME is only one of three extracts in vector is honestly a VERY big plus
and regardless what ingredient 3 is - 3 bottles are safe
but im curious if this is the same extract ad OL uses in their K1ngslayer? or is there a difference?
knowing that KME is only one of three extracts in vector is honestly a VERY big plus
and regardless what ingredient 3 is - 3 bottles are safe
brundel
Board Sponsor
iamyourfather
Active member
so its not the one used in the human study?
brundel
Board Sponsor
Link the process
iamyourfather
Active member
sorry but i dont understand what you are telling me. still dont know whats the difference between the extract of the study and yours
brundel
Board Sponsor
brundel
Board Sponsor
Yes if you were the first. I think someone else also guessed it.
Its pretty good stuff.
Especially when combined with Eriobotrya and ingredient 3
brundel
Board Sponsor
Id say comparable but there is less...overall studies.
This one worked really well in testing though so combined research and our data shows great promise.
Youll see
jameschoi
Well-known member
Yes if you were the first. I think someone else also guessed it.
Its pretty good stuff.
Especially when combined with Eriobotrya and ingredient 3
I'm 100% Korean, so you gotta throw me a free bottle and I will most def let you know if the chet is the real deal. You gotta hurry before Trump deports my ass back to the gulag.
brundel
Board Sponsor
It really is good stuff. Our Ecklonia cava is also from Korea. We import the raw plant matter directly from Korea before extraction. Super high grade stuff.
Same with the Korean mistletoe.
Because plants are greatly effected by soil, air, water etc it really matters where you source the plant material from as this impacts the quality and quantity of chemical constituents.
slickwillie
Member
Are you one of the Dreamers?
Zedster
New member
lmao
brundel
Board Sponsor
I dont have it.
banjobounce
Active member
I had been researching KME last summer to link in conjunction with another sup ( I honestly cant even remember now) I'm pretty sure it had something to do with atrogin-1 and f box. Anyway, I couldn't find a cost effective bulk. Looks like I'll get to try it now. Good deal.
brundel
Board Sponsor
Right so, generally speaking of course reducing atrogin-1 reduces muscle loss potential. Its one of the ways that myostatin puts the stopper on muscle growth. Less atrogin 1, less muscle loss. Of course KME doesnt just work by reducing atrogin -1 or by preventing atrophy its just one of its benefits.
It is also directly anabolic as it activates mTOR and increases protein synthesis. But the key is all of these things working together in concert with Eriobotrya and Ingredient 3 make VECTOR a real powerhouse. Just wait.......you guys will see.
BlockBuilder
Well-known member
So when will this be released exactly?
00A
Well-known member
I think he asking how your versions different from the recently annouced OL Kingslayer product.. dont see a issue you using the ingredient as I know there be comment sooner or later saying you copied something etc
DoubleM101
Member
I'm from Portugal too and we know how the customs work. In this moment it's a pain to order anything outside of UE. It can take ages to arrive and anything above 22€ are subjected to taxes. In this kind of products is even worse. The chance of being seized or at least retained for a more complete check is big.
I was really really excited about this product and was checking for updates almost every single day but reading it will not be available in Europe for at least 2 months was a big letdown for me
Sniper9191
Member
Ok,
Out of anticipation of a tentative early March date release. Once released for purchase, how quickly might the consumer (myself) have it in there possession from purchase?
Out of anticipation of a tentative early March date release. Once released for purchase, how quickly might the consumer (myself) have it in there possession from purchase?
slickwillie
Member
It appears that Vector, with the addition of KME, is or could be a significant test booster. I’m curious if that was confirmed with any blood work by the product testers.
Studhorse
Legend
I didn't do any blood work. just mirror work.
Dont know about the other testers.
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brundel
Board Sponsor
I'm from Portugal too and we know how the customs work. In this moment it's a pain to order anything outside of UE. It can take ages to arrive and anything above 22€ are subjected to taxes. In this kind of products is even worse. The chance of being seized or at least retained for a more complete check is big.
I was really really excited about this product and was checking for updates almost every single day but reading it will not be available in Europe for at least 2 months was a big letdown for me
It will be available in the UK about the same time as its available here.
brundel
Board Sponsor
A few days?
This is a Strong supplement question as they will be doing all the sales.
brundel
Board Sponsor
We did run some labs yes. Will have results around launch time.
Anecdotal evidence indicates it does in fact raise test levels as pretty much everyone mentioned increased libido and sexual function.
brundel
Board Sponsor
I dont know of any reason it would have to be.
Its not suppressive. In fact it looks like it raises test and LH while driving down prolactin. This is favorable.
And its other effects are not suppressive. I think this could also be used year round.
Think of Follidrone like winstrol and Vector like Dbol or Anadrol.
Foll is very lean dry gains.
Vector is like a heavy mass builder. If you eat up on this stuff I could see guys gaining 15 lbs on a bulk no problem.
The great thing is it also tends to increase fat burning so gains will be heavy and lean. Pretty amazing stuff.
Jpv20
New member
DoubleM101
Member
Oh great, my bad then... I thought Strong would be the only available retailer. I guess in USA then.
brundel
Board Sponsor
So to clarify.
Strong will have all US sales for 2 months.
UK sales will be open and likely multiple options will be available including JW,PMS and Pred.
brundel
Board Sponsor
Not like Follidrone no.
Follidrone is a major antiinflammatory and while I dont know of anyone who has mentioned problems its generally believed that using antiinflammatory agents with ARA is counterproductive. Vector on the other hand is not anti inflammatory so it will stack well with ARA.