Youthful? I think you have me confused with someone else!Nah, it's official just for putting the thought out there... and your youthful, rag-a-muffin good looks
Youthful? I think you have me confused with someone else!Nah, it's official just for putting the thought out there... and your youthful, rag-a-muffin good looks
I've always thought supplements peak around 6 weeks, taper off after that.In4 3 bottles to give it a good run. Thinking another week or so before the presale is launched?
Really depends on the ingredient(s), and the category of supplement. Some ingredients don’t really start working that much for weeks, and others don’t work as well after several weeks.I've always thought supplements peak around 6 weeks, taper off after that.
That's what I've noticed in the past, from a whole range of supplements.
3 bottles = 2 x 6 week cycles.
Others say 8, or 12 tho.
We have a set date of March 6th as a cutoff. So before that we will be in retail sales.In4 3 bottles to give it a good run. Thinking another week or so before the presale is launched?
180 cap.So 90 cap? Dosage is 2 caps/3xday?
Actually running them together would be a good idea.I see that the first extract listed has some ingredient overlap with follidrone 2. Would you suggest combining Vector and Follidrone 2 at full dose of both, or would the overlapping ingredients perhaps cause undesirable effects at the high doses the combined products would lead to?
Working on it now but itll be a few days. I want to spread the info out a bit so you guys have stuff to digest and investigate if you want while waiting.When are we getting the second ingredient
can you tell us if the price will be like FD2? or how much i should calculate max.? (i need to import it into the EU)We have a set date of March 6th as a cutoff. So before that we will be in retail sales.
But everything relies on when the raw materials land.
Ill keep everyone posted.
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€2000 per bottle, its worth it weight in gold ? ? ?can you tell us if the price will be like FD2? or how much i should calculate max.? (i need to import it into the EU)
i want 3 bottles and really need to know how much money i should save for it to make sure i can afford it =)
that would be a little bit to expensive for me haha€2000 per bottle, its worth it weight in gold
Dude I bought true shred last week from strong supplement shop and it took 4 days to arrive with me in Belfast, Ireland from the states which is excellent service and it cost £3.62. Absolutely brilliant service and cost so i think the 40% off plus cheap postage will save us a lot of moneythat would be a little bit to expensive for me haha
if its really 40% off during the intro sale i think 3 bottles will be around 75€ which is absolutely fair. hope shipping doesnt kill the good price though
okay thats very nice! do they ship as a ‚gift‘?Dude I bought true shred last week from strong supplement shop and it took 4 days to arrive with me in Belfast, Ireland from the states which is excellent service and it cost £3.62. Absolutely brilliant service and cost so i think the 40% off plus cheap postage will save us a lot of money
Vector will be a strong exclusive for a while and we dont ship to EU retail anyways. Youll have to buy from an EU retailer or strong.can you tell us if the price will be like FD2? or how much i should calculate max.? (i need to import it into the EU)
i want 3 bottles and really need to know how much money i should save for it to make sure i can afford it =)
and is SSS the better option for an EU shipment or BLR directly? i think both sites will have the intro offer. but maybe SSS can offer a cheaper shipping option, right?
I dont see any reason why they would be illegal anywhere.brundel that you know the ingredients of vector are legal in Italy?
okay thank you. so ill buy from strong. the EU retailer will be probably twice as expensive so i dont think a second about buying from themVector will be a strong exclusive for a while and we dont ship to EU retail anyways. Youll have to buy from an EU retailer or strong.
Ill know pricing once all the shipping is done. Its expensive to ship 200kilos from china to usa
I think people underestimate oral Ursolic acid.
Here are some stats from an oral ursolic acid study.
Notice it increased muscle mass, fat loss, strength etc etc etc
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Lower doses or the incorrect extraction process has been shown to be ineffective so the extraction process is very important with EJ. So lets dig into whats inside the plant itself.
Just a short list of the chemical constituents of EJ-
Epicatechin
Ursolic acid
Chlorogenic acid
Corosolic acid
Oleanolic acid
Caffeic acid
Procyanidin B2
Protocatechuic acid
Ferulic acid
Tormentic acid
Naringenin
Ellagic acid
EGCG
Quercetin
This is a pretty impressive list of actives. Lets take a look at what some of these do.
Epicatechin.
EJ doesnt have as much epicatechin as something like cocoa or green tea but there is still a decent amount. Its estimated that there is about 150mg per 100g in cocoa and there is about 60mg in EJ so a little less than half. None the less there is enough that epicatechin will be active especially with Narinigenin, EGCG and quercetin in the mix as these all increase the absorption of epicatechin. Lets think of epicatechin as sort of a bonus.
Ursolic acid.
There is a decent dose in here at upwards of 150mg estimated per daily dose of our EJ extract but Ursolic acid is also a major constituent of another of Vectors ingredents giving us approx 300mg + of Ursolic acid per dose. Ursolic acid orally has been show in studies to increase muscle mass, Increase strength, Increase brown fat, Increase glucose utilization and increase exercise capacity. Its been stated that UA is not viable orally but I think I disagree and it seems as though studies also indicate that it is orally active although it has a very poor absorption rate. High doses are required and studies indicate 300+ should be enough orally to produce the desired results.
Corosolic acid.
Corosolic acid is a GDA generally extracted from Banaba (lagerstroemia speciosa) but a significant amount is present in Eribotrya J. Corosolic acid works orally at relatively low doses and has some interesting effects. Even doses of 10mg are viable to display its impressive effects. Most people have heard of Corosolic acid for its glucose effects as it is a major GDA. Corosolic acid can help to keep glucose down with multiple mechanisms of action. Glut4 translocation, reduced insulin resistance as well as all kinds of enzymatic suppression and or expression.
-Corosolic acid has been shown to reduce cholesterol levels and enhance lipid metabolism.
-Corosolic acid is also a great fat burner not only through antidiabetic effects but also by retarding absorption of fatty acids.
-Corosolic acid is a potent and selective inhibitor of the enzyme (11-beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1) that converts inactive cortisone to active cortisol. Therefore, corosolic acid may prevent excessive cortisol production.
Overall Corosolic acid is one of Vectors great components. Increased Glucose uptake into muscles, decreased blood sugar, increased insulin sensitivity, increased fat utilization and decreased fat diposition plus decreased cortisol make Corosolic a powerhouse.
Oleanolic acid
Oleanolic acid (OA) is a constituent of Olea Europea, Viscum Album and Eriobotrya japonica as well as others.
Its long been used in Chinese medicine for treatment of liver disorders and other ailments. OA increases glucose utilization, is a solid vasodilator and increases expression of the AKT pathway.
Protocatechuic acid
Insulin like activity by activating PPAPy.
Decreases ROS
Antiageing
Anti inflammatory
Antiseptic
analgesic
GLUT4 upregulation
Antioxidant
Protects the testes from damage and stress
Cardio protective
Caffeic acid
Increased exercise capacity
Reduced Blood Lactate
Increased fat loss
Endurance
Ferulic acid, 4-hydroxy-3-methoxycinnamic acid, is one of the most ubiquitous phenolic acids, found in the
bran of grasses such as wheat, rice, and oats. It belongs to the family of plant hydroxycinnamic acids, which
include caffeic acid, sinapic acid, and p-coumaric acid. Recent studies have provided evidence that ferulic acid reduces the risk of disease, including
Alzheimer’s disease, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and colon cancer. Currently, ferulic acid is used to enhance athletic
performance, both in humans and racehorses. Supplementation by it has been found to increase muscle strength in weight lifters.
In one animal study a single acute administration of Ferulic acid increased swimming time by 170%.
Ferulic acid prevented the decrease in catalase, superoxide dismutase and protected against the depletion of GST activity induced by exhaustive
exercise.
Exercise can be associated with oxidative stress. Thus exercise can act as a powerful source of Reactive Oxygen Species, depending on duration and intensity. During exhaustive exercise, fat is typically used as the primary energy source, thus sparing glycogen stores, which in turn retards fatigue. However, during strenuous exercise substantial production of ROS occurs via beta oxidation during the utilization of fat.
In addition, a dramatic increase in oxygen consumption in the body creates an imbalance between ROS and the antioxidant defense system resulting in fatigue.
Acute adminstration of Ferulic acid prevents fatigue, increases endurance and protects the body during exhaustive exercise.
Chlorogenic acid
CA often reffered to as green coffee extract is widely known for its antiobesity effects via PPARa agonism and by preventing proliferation of new fat cells. CA can increase muscular glucose uptake both by stimulating Non insulin dependent AMPK as well as stimulating pAKt. Great for keeping bodyfat off while promoting muscle growth.
Tormentic acid
Anti diabetic
Glut4
AMPK
REFS:
1.Loquat leaf extract enhances myogenic differentiation, improves muscle function and attenuates muscle loss in aged rats.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26178971/
2.Loquat (Eriobotrya japonica) extract prevents dexamethasone-induced muscle atrophy by inhibiting the muscle degradation pathway in Sprague Dawley rats.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26004741/?i=2&from=/26178971/related
3.Effect of Loquat Leaf Extract on Muscle Strength, Muscle Mass, and Muscle Function in Healthy Adults: A Randomized, Double-Blinded, and Placebo-Controlled Trial
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2016/4301621/
4.Ethanol Extract of Eriobotrya japonica Leaves Enhanced Swimming Capacity in Mice
http://pubs.sciepub.com/jfnr/5/6/8/index.html
5.Cell Suspension Culture of Eriobotrya japonica Regulates the Diabetic and Hyperlipidemic Signs of High-Fat-Fed Mice
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&********web&cd=13&ved=0ahUKEwjF363a_uvXAhVKqVQKHQnWCw0QFghbMAw&url=http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/18/3/2726/pdf&usg=AOvVaw3tsGlnXSZOftlHTKRGxosJ
6.Tormentic Acid, a Major Component of Suspension Cells of Eriobotrya japonica, Suppresses High-Fat Diet-Induced Diabetes and Hyperlipidemia by Glucose Transporter 4 and AMP-Activated Protein Kinase Phosphorylation
7. http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf503334d
8. http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf503334d
9. http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/18/3/2726/htm
10. https://www.spandidos-publications.com/10.3892/ijmm.2015.2286
11. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15485899
12. http://dev.biologists.org/content/132/12/2685
13. https://www.nature.com/articles/srep31142
14. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25564701
15. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?****10.1371/journal.pone.0039332
Thanks bro. The other 2 are also interesting.Nice. I actually considered using loquat in an upcoming product, but selected some other compounds for various reasons. Having the 100:1 extract will make a big difference. Good Job.
I strongly agree with having pre sale at SSS since they ship fastest to EU and have cheap shipping price.Vector will be a strong exclusive for a while and we dont ship to EU retail anyways. Youll have to buy from an EU retailer or strong.
Ill know pricing once all the shipping is done. Its expensive to ship 200kilos from china to usa
Something tells me there will be enough to go around as Vector will revolutionise the supplement market, I'm sure Brundel will produce multiple runs of this. Don't worry, everyone will get someI strongly agree with having pre sale at SSS since they ship fastest to EU and have cheap shipping price.
I will definitely not buy from Predator that will have probably 150% higher price than SSS even though they could max justify having 80% higher price but they are greedy. I never seen Predator having any intro sale or discount for getting new product first inside EU - usually they raise price even higher to go for short term extra buck.
Now since Vector will probably have crazy demand at pre sale price I recommend you to limit 1 bottle purchase per client this way you get product spread to more clients that will spread the word to their friends.
Because some clients might just buy 5 or 10 bottles then maybe half of potential clients won't be able to even get 1 bottle to try.
Or maybe limit first half of bottles available for purchase at 1 bottle limit then what's left at no limit per client. Or vice a versa - first half goes at no limit then last half of stack limit 1 bottle per client.
Think of it like soccer fans having limit to buy tickets of top matches like Barcelona vs Real Madrid. What you want is more users of Vector not less than half of interested buyers buying 100% of pre sale amount.
This is just a suggestion - you do what you want but I'm sure if many won't be able to even buy 1 bottle they will be extra mad at you.
that wouldnt be smart.I strongly agree with having pre sale at SSS since they ship fastest to EU and have cheap shipping price.
I will definitely not buy from Predator that will have probably 150% higher price than SSS even though they could max justify having 80% higher price but they are greedy. I never seen Predator having any intro sale or discount for getting new product first inside EU - usually they raise price even higher to go for short term extra buck.
Now since Vector will probably have crazy demand at pre sale price I recommend you to limit 1 bottle purchase per client this way you get product spread to more clients that will spread the word to their friends.
Because some clients might just buy 5 or 10 bottles then maybe half of potential clients won't be able to even get 1 bottle to try.
Or maybe limit first half of bottles available for purchase at 1 bottle limit then what's left at no limit per client. Or vice a versa - first half goes at no limit then last half of stack limit 1 bottle per client.
Think of it like soccer fans having limit to buy tickets of top matches like Barcelona vs Real Madrid. What you want is more users of Vector not less than half of interested buyers buying 100% of pre sale amount.
This is just a suggestion - you do what you want but I'm sure if many won't be able to even buy 1 bottle they will be extra mad at you.
If it sells...and I am sure it will...getting the product out won't be an issue. Manufacturers and supplement company owners do what needs to be done when there is money to be made.Something tells me there will be enough to go around as Vector will revolutionise the supplement market, I'm sure Brundel will produce multiple runs of this. Don't worry, everyone will get some
I have 2200 initial units. Hopefully that'll last a few weeks.Something tells me there will be enough to go around as Vector will revolutionise the supplement market, I'm sure Brundel will produce multiple runs of this. Don't worry, everyone will get some
PA?Happy to see some of the info on this one being released... As far as ursolic acid, I have been using a very effective topical at a high dosage as of late and absolutely love it! Recomp effects are crazy...
Follidrone 1.0 was at one point selling 1 unit per minute. ...If it sells...and I am sure it will...getting the product out won't be an issue. Manufacturers and supplement company owners do what needs to be done when there is money to be made.
i have a trip planned for early May and i need to hop on something before then. the trip is actually an 'active retreat' where we will be surfing, boxing, and yoga. should i start follidrone for the hell of it and then vector once it lands? main goal is to gain mass but also to have the potential for abs to poke through. aka lean massFollidrone 1.0 was at one point selling 1 unit per minute. ...
It was insane. Nutraplanet raised their prices to 80$ a bottle and it was on eBay for 100$ and selling. Then clones started. Follidrex was my favorite. Didn't even try to pretend not to be a clone. We did run out of stock.
So this time I have double the amount 2000 vs 1000. And I have another round of raws that will start extraction during the first week of Vector sales. So....we won't run dry.
But yet he's sold it for years...?brundel Patrick Arnold said that ingestible ursolic acid is all but useless as it is destroyed by presystemic liver metabolism, how have you gotten around this?
Think he's sold td or topical/sprayBut yet he's sold it for years...?
E-Pharm is his brand as well.Think he's sold td or topical/spray
Oh right I didn't know that ??E-Pharm is his brand as well.
I respect his work but actually he is wrong about oral Ursolic Acid. UA human studies (450mg) daily show it works (even without any bioavailability/absorption boost).brundel Patrick Arnold said that ingestible ursolic acid is all but useless as it is destroyed by presystemic liver metabolism, how have you gotten around this?
Prototype NutritionE-Pharm is his brand as well.
and is there a promo code available for when ordering on BLR website?i have a trip planned for early May and i need to hop on something before then. the trip is actually an 'active retreat' where we will be surfing, boxing, and yoga. should i start follidrone for the hell of it and then vector once it lands? main goal is to gain mass but also to have the potential for abs to poke through. aka lean mass
If that’s your goal, then definitely start FD 2.0 ASAP. The only downside is not knowing which supplement is doing what, but since you have a trip planned, who cares? You can figure that out after you’re jacked.i have a trip planned for early May and i need to hop on something before then. the trip is actually an 'active retreat' where we will be surfing, boxing, and yoga. should i start follidrone for the hell of it and then vector once it lands? main goal is to gain mass but also to have the potential for abs to poke through. aka lean mass
It’s also theoretically possible that there are some other components/compounds in the source material that makes the UA in it more effective, granted it’s dosed high enough. So a normal full spectrum extract may not have enough UA to do anything, while an isolated or high % UA extract may not have other necessary components, but in theory perhaps combining the two ideas would be more ideal.I respect his work but actually he is wrong about oral Ursolic Acid. UA human studies (450mg) daily show it works (even without any bioavailability/absorption boost).
But yes, ofcourse TD version would be much better than oral
Sure. I have tried pure UA with and without bioavailability/absorption booster and I need to admit both worked well. Nice recomp effect, size, strength ++It’s also theoretically possible that there are some other components/compounds in the source material that makes the UA in it more effective, granted it’s dosed high enough. So a normal full spectrum extract may not have enough UA to do anything, while an isolated or high % UA extract may not have other necessary components, but in theory perhaps combining the two ideas would be more ideal.
Again, just a hypothetical potential scenario based on some other ingredients and compounds I’ve seen.
I would do FD2 then.That’s what I’m worried about. I’d like to try vector as a standalone but we don’t have an eta yet. If it’s definitely March, then I’ll do folli. Any idea?
Of course he says this he sells transdermal ursolic acidbrundel Patrick Arnold said that ingestible ursolic acid is all but useless as it is destroyed by presystemic liver metabolism, how have you gotten around this?
For sure wont hurt to stack them. Its up to you. You can start FD2 now and vector in a couple weeks when it launches.i have a trip planned for early May and i need to hop on something before then. the trip is actually an 'active retreat' where we will be surfing, boxing, and yoga. should i start follidrone for the hell of it and then vector once it lands? main goal is to gain mass but also to have the potential for abs to poke through. aka lean mass
Im sure one of our reps will chime in....ehem. Hint reps.and is there a promo code available for when ordering on BLR website?
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