UKStrength is slicing up some British Beef with IGF-2!

[Rosie Chee]

Day 19

Thoughts on IGF-2:

Felt great today as usual (mood wise), but I still have some mild DOMS in my legs! Can't quite understand it to be honest.

I've been hitting the cardio hard all this week, fasted cardio every morning and 30 minutes postworkout, plus my HIIIT sessions. Hopefully I'll have lost a bit more fat by Monday, if I can keep the diet dialed in.

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Thoughts on Training: Todays' session was, for want of a better word, 'crap'. I felt great going to the gym, was all psyched up but when I actually started getting into the session all my strength seemed to dwindle and just about every exercise was down apart from one or two. I had a great pump going but the strength just wasn't there (kryptonite anyone??).

I was really gutted on the deads, I thought I'd nail the full 10 this week before the holiday, perhaps I'm just pushing it now in terms of strength gains, hopefully it'll all be ok next week for the final push.

If you have DOMS in your legs and you've started cardio, and it's something that you're NOT used to doing, then you WILL feel it for a little while (maybe the first week, at least), and then nothing after that.

And we all have 'bad' days in the gym; it just happens. Put it behind you and be determined to give the next session everything you've got.

 

[0-hero]

We're nearly at the finish line bro, you've run the hills, the sands, the dirt tracks.

Your on the home straight, and at the end of it all keep in mind what awaits you.

As for Cosgroves afterburn, let me know if you want to "borrow" an electronic copy.

 

[searl12]

I agree mate.....


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Oh my fckn god!!!!
:hitit:opworm:

Id sell one of my organs for 10 minutes with this TOT, Jesus christ.

 

[fightbackhxc]

lol wow selling one of your organs, thats dedication brotha!

 

[UKStrength]

If you have DOMS in your legs and you've started cardio, and it's something that you're NOT used to doing, then you WILL feel it for a little while (maybe the first week, at least), and then nothing after that.

And we all have 'bad' days in the gym; it just happens. Put it behind you and be determined to give the next session everything you've got.

Could well be the amount of extra cardio, but I honestly think it's just the overall combination of high training volume (cardio + resistance) and much lower calories over a long period of time that's finally starting to take its toll on my recovery.

Even though I'm a volume training freak, I'm actually looking forward to two weeks of cutting the training volume substantially and just concentrating on recovering.

Yeah I agree on the 'bad' day thing. That squat rack won't know what's hit it on Monday when I get there...

We're nearly at the finish line bro, you've run the hills, the sands, the dirt tracks.

Your on the home straight, and at the end of it all keep in mind what awaits you.

As for Cosgroves afterburn, let me know if you want to "borrow" an electronic copy.

Thanks mate, I keep that thought in mind every time I train. I'm always hungry for more gains and more often than not very critical of everything when it comes to my own training. Yet today I actually stopped and looked at myself in the mirror and thought 'you know what mate, you look pretty good '

I'd love to 'peruse' a copy of the book if it so happens to float my way... Sent you a PM with my email mate.

Oh my fckn god!!!!

Id sell one of my organs for 10 minutes with this TOT, Jesus christ.

Lol, testicles I'd have to think twice about but everything else can go! Give me 20 mins!

lol wow selling one of your organs, thats dedication brotha!

It's sad what we'll do for a shag isn't it?

 

[searl12]

Im not gready...my liver for 2 minutes...with here id make it happen, 3 x lol.

 

[UKStrength]

Day 19

Thoughts on IGF-2:

DOMS ARE GONE! No idea why they took so long but they have finally left my body again. Feeling great today again, the weather is beautiful in Yorkshire! Blue skies and 'hot' at 23 degrees C! (believe me that is baking hot for Yorkshire).

Libido continues to be on fire, I'm sad that it's coming into the final week of IGF-2, I'd like to continue it through my holiday...I'll have a think about it, and make a final decision my Monday at the latest.

Today I decided to 'refeed' my body a little. I think I've been too harsh with the calorie restriction recently so todays' BBQ at my sis's house was a good excuse to eat a bit more delicious, lean meat and gorge on some fresh fruits. Probably ate just shy of 3200kcal, but no junk or desserts, just a good amount more food.

I feel great right now as I write this. My muscles look fuller, vascular and I just feel all-round much better than I did yesterday. I look forward to slamming the weights on the final straight next week.

Training: HIIT Cardio

I decided to switch things up a bit today and do my 'fasted' cardio immediately after my HIIT session instead of first-thing. It was a great idea as I managed a few more PRs today!

150 turns of the rope
30 pushups x 10.
Pullups 10,10,10,10,10,8,8,7,6,6
15 Squat Jumps.

...Then took the dog for a very brisk 30 minute walk before slamming a whey shake.

It was so good to be able to train outside without my top on, got a bit of a tan, a few 'wolf whistles' from the local ladies and some dirty looks from the local brickies... all good.

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...more buff than some of the other ladies, but she is startlingly pretty

Ibiza Tune of the Day: One more time - Daft Punk

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[UKStrength]

Day 20

Thoughts on IGF-1: All is well again today, not too much to report so I'll keep this one brief.

Today was a day off, so no training today Just kept generally active and ate clean all day.

Libido continues to be awesome and I just felt really motivated and happy. Muscle are looking solid, although no leaner....we'll see by tomorrow

Can't wait for tomorrow, squats are awaiting!

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Ibiza Tune of the Day: Move Any Mountain - The Shamen​

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[0-hero]

You get my email bro?

Ive actually had to take the day off work because of the DOMs in my legs, sick lol.

GVT squats for the first time. *cries*

 

[Zero V]

Ibiza Tune of the Day: One more time - Daft Punk

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Dude! Daft Punk is my favorite band. I have heard em all, a million times. Rock it!

 

[UKStrength]

Dude! Daft Punk is my favorite band. I have heard em all, a million times. Rock it!

Being a die-hard fan...

What did you think to the Kanye West remix of stronger?

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[UKStrength]

You get my email bro?

Ive actually had to take the day off work because of the DOMs in my legs, sick lol.

GVT squats for the first time. *cries*

Got it mate, cheers so much for sending it, plenty of 'beach reading' there to keep me going!

Lol, enjoy them mate They're best used on a bulk I think as the size gains you'd get from that trauma would be awesome (squatting twice a week...).

I'm pretty much plateauing on them on in terms of strength, I'm still undecided whether to use them on my cycle or change back to a 'heavier' rep range...

Maybe just go heavy for these two weeks on holiday, then go back to GVT again?

 

[UKStrength]

Day 21 (4 days to go!!)

I've decided not to have a 'Weekly review this week and save my thoughts for the final review on Thursday. Same for the pictures/measurements, I'll post the whole lot on Thursday so there's a decent comparison.

Thoughts on IGF-2:

Still feeling pretty awesome DOMS are pretty much gone (even though I've been rather lax with my foam rolling recently) and sleep continues to be amazing.

Diet:

For some reason I've been ridiculously hungry and lethargic today! I think for me reducing the carbohydrates too low seems to be no good for satiety or alertness. The happy medium I think lies within a 40/40/20 split (pro/CHO/fat).

I dropped the carbohydrates a bit lower today and upped the fats and I've overeaten by a decent amount today I guess you only learn these things by trial and error!

Libido:

Is raging It's going to be like sweet shop out there on the island, I stocked up on johnnies today in anticipation! (thank god for the NHS and their free contraception!).

Training: Legs and Calves

ATG Squats: 85kg 10,10,10,10,10,6...
Stiff Leg Deadlift: 105kg 8,8,7,7,7
Leg Extension: 25kg 13,13,12,11,11
Seated Calf Raise: 70kg 80 reps


Thoughts on Training:

I was on my feet trekking over Leeds shopping for stuff today in the heat, so I was already pretty tired before I hit the gym. I nailed 2 red bulls before training but it didn't seem to help much.

Squats were down as you can see I got to the 6th set and I just knew that was it. I could have finished the other sets with more rest (2 min+) but that's not the point of GVT, the rest times are pretty paramount and I wasn't 'in the zone', injury was pretty much guaranteed.

The other exercises were a bit better, I fried my quads and hams after messing up the squats but everything just felt 'harder' than usual.

Not a disaster of a session, but I wanted to finish with a bang. Great pump though! The guy spotting me said I was a roadmap of veins!

Testosterone Booster of the Day

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...this tune is going to be MASSIVE on the party island

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[fightbackhxc]

what does GVT stand for.

 

[Zero V]

Being a die-hard fan...

What did you think to the Kanye West remix of stronger?

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I was upset with it -.-

In all respects its not a crappy song or anything, but leave daft punks legacy to them. Kayne West is a mooch.

 

[TheDarkHalf]

what does GVT stand for.

German Volume Training. Google it.

 

[Chub]

Being a die-hard fan...

What did you think to the Kanye West remix of stronger?

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great remix

 

[fightbackhxc]

ah GVT= 10 X 10? i know what german volume is.

 

[UKStrength]

ah GVT= 10 X 10? i know what german volume is.

Yup :thumbsup:

 

[UKStrength]

Day 22

Thoughts on IGF-2:

I feel like an ALPHA MALE today :sgrin:. Woke up after 9 hours of solid rest and I look and feel amazing I definitely had that 'pumped' and tight look before I even hit the gym!

Libido was like a fire in my pants! I picked up my niece after her pre-school and was literally surrounded by HOT milfs all wanting my attention. Thank god I was wearing baggy shorts or it could have been embarrassing! Only 3 more days...

Training: Chest, Triceps and Forearms

Chest:

Incline Dumbell Bench: 10,10,10,10,7,6,6,6,5,5 (30kg DB)
Flat Dumbell Press: 6,6,6,6,6 (30kg DB)
...superset with Dumbell Flies: 5,5,5,5,5 (20kg DB)

Triceps:

Pullover and Press: 5 x 6-8; 8,8,8,8,8 (EZ Bar + 30kg)
V-Bar Tricep Cable Extensions: 8,8,8,8 (35kg)

Forearms:

Reverse EZ Bar Curl: 7,7,7 (EZ bar + 27.5kg)
Reverse Cable Curl: 9,9,9 (40kg)
...superset with Seated Zottman Curls: 6,6,6 (10kg DB)
Barbell Shrug Hold: 15,15,15 (85kg)

I got a nice little sample of Applied Nutriceuticals 'RPM' in my supplement stash this morning. I thought I'd give this a shot instead of my pre-workout, ridiculously strong coffee...took all 5 capsules (overdosed, but I have a great tolerance for stims and didn't want to leave 2 caps in the pack - what use is that??) SWEET BABY JEBUS ON SPEED! I was WIRED! (check out the full review in my sig.)

Workout was ridiculous today, I was THROWING up the weights, no joke. My gym doesn't have a set of 28kg DB, so i was forced to jump up 4kg to the 30kg DBs on the incline. I was pleasantly surprised at how many sets of 10 I got! I hope I maintain this strength for my next cycle, my max lifts must have improved (I was maxing out at 5 reps of 40kg DB on the incline while on test).

I was so focused that at one point I forgot during my 5 x 5 flat DB press to rest for 2 minutes (probably got 45 seconds at best between supersets), I still managed to bang out more reps!

For triceps I gave a new exercise a go (pullover and press), I didn't like it. Had a nice pump going on, but it didn't isolate my triceps like other exercise do, so I'll change back to dips next week (probably bench dips).

The Cable Extensions were sick. A small modification in technique and my arms blew up like balloons! So happy that I didn't even need to drop the weight!

My chest and triceps were pumped to the max, I was so pleased with training today it fully made up for yesterdays' mess of a session.

RPM seems to be a nice addition to the IGF-2.

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[Rosie Chee]

Day 22

Thoughts on IGF-2:

I feel like an ALPHA MALE today :sgrin:. Woke up after 9 hours of solid rest and I look and feel amazing I definitely had that 'pumped' and tight look before I even hit the gym!

...

I got a nice little sample of Applied Nutriceuticals 'RPM' in my supplement stash this morning. I thought I'd give this a shot instead of my pre-workout, ridiculously strong coffee...took all 5 capsules (overdosed, but I have a great tolerance for stims and didn't want to leave 2 caps in the pack - what use is that??) SWEET BABY JEBUS ON SPEED! I was WIRED! (check out the full review in my sig.)

Workout was ridiculous today, I was THROWING up the weights, no joke. My gym doesn't have a set of 28kg DB, so i was forced to jump up 4kg to the 30kg DBs on the incline. I was pleasantly surprised at how many sets of 10 I got! I hope I maintain this strength for my next cycle, my max lifts must have improved (I was maxing out at 5 reps of 40kg DB on the incline while on test).

I was so focused that at one point I forgot during my 5 x 5 flat DB press to rest for 2 minutes (probably got 45 seconds at best between supersets), I still managed to bang out more reps!

...

RPM seems to be a nice addition to the IGF-2.

Yep, RPM sure works well. It's not really a "stim" though, per se (although it keeps you alert just as well, if not better).

IGF-2 is treating you VERY well, Rick. Excellent to see the progress you are making :thumbsup:

 

[UKStrength]

Yep, RPM sure works well. It's not really a "stim" though, per se (although it keeps you alert just as well, if not better).

IGF-2 is treating you VERY well, Rick. Excellent to see the progress you are making :thumbsup:

Well it has the cocoa extract (standardised for theobromine and a source of caffeine), naringin, grape seed and epimedium, all of which either stimulate release of or facilitate conversion of dopamine to Noradrenaline.

That's a good source of stims in my book! Although I agree, it's not marketed as a 'stim' product.

Yeah it's going nicely, I've decided to not continue the IGF-2 after this week, there's a tear in my eye, but I think a couple of weeks without it won't kill me

It'll be back though, and next time it'll be here to stay.

 

[Rosie Chee]

Yeah it's going nicely, I've decided to not continue the IGF-2 after this week, there's a tear in my eye, but I think a couple of weeks without it won't kill me

It'll be back though, and next time it'll be here to stay.

Yeah, I have decided that at the end of June I will take a 4-week break from IGF-2 (and Drive and RPM as well), since I have been using it so long without one. I just don't like going too long withOUT it...

 

[UKStrength]

Yeah, I have decided that at the end of June I will take a 4-week break from IGF-2 (and Drive and RPM as well), since I have been using it so long without one. I just don't like going too long withOUT it...

It's good to take a break from nearly every supplement once in while, you going to try something else in the break? or have a proper break? (i.e. no extra supps).

 

[Rosie Chee]

It's good to take a break from nearly every supplement once in while, you going to try something else in the break? or have a proper break? (i.e. no extra supps).

I'll be using my staples (creatine, multivitamin, antioxidant, good fats, protein powder, sleep support, and joint support), a fat burner, and Anadraulic State (if I get selected as a logger).

After that 4-week break I will be using a couple of new and special products (something all you guys can look forward to after I've done it ), and cycling IGF-2, Drive, and RPM back in either towards the end of it or just after.

 

[UKStrength]

...and Anadraulic State (if I get selected as a logger).

I think they'd be crazy not to pick you, for the sheer volume of detail you'd provide! :type:

Can I request some pictures in the log? Not necessarily half-naked ladies, anything really, it's just that I'm quite a visually-stimulated person, the more pictures/graphs/diagrams...the better!

After that 4-week break I will be using a couple of new and special products...

Now come on, don't pull a 'USP labs' on us, is it going to be something non-pill based? Maybe a drink/recovery mix?

 

[Rosie Chee]

I think they'd be crazy not to pick you, for the sheer volume of detail you'd provide! :type:

It's not about detail, but the best people to log the product.

However, I would like to use it (and if not selected, will most probably try it later anyways), since it will pretty much replace Drive, RPM, IGF-2, and NeoVar Recomped for 4 weeks (THAT alone should be INTERESTING (and a HUGE deal, since I do NOT like to go without using Drive for more than 2-4 weeks, and almost never stop using RPM, IGF-2, and NeoVar Recomped), to say the LEAST!)

Can I request some pictures in the log? Not necessarily half-naked ladies, anything really, it's just that I'm quite a visually-stimulated person, the more pictures/graphs/diagrams...the better!

I'm not going to add pics in just so the guys have something to look at. My logs are NOT about the visual, but the information (and if images are not relevant, I see no use for them).

If a log requires pre, during, and post pics, then I will do so; otherwise I no longer put pics of me in my logs (for obvious reasons).

Now come on, don't pull a 'USP labs' on us, is it going to be something non-pill based? Maybe a drink/recovery mix?

I'm not saying anything until I start using them. You'll just have to wait. Great things are worth waiting for.

 

[UKStrength]

...My logs are NOT about the visual, but the information (and if images are not relevant, I see no use for them).

Fair enough, I can't really argue as I've only done one log.

I just think a few inspirational pictures or fun additions keep the logs entertaining and interesting. They don't have to serve much of a purpose other than to make the whole experience more 'pleasing on the eye' and engage those who choose to follow your log.

I'm not saying anything until I start using them. You'll just have to wait. Great things are worth waiting for.

I agree, they are Enjoy them and let us know how it goes.

 

[Rosie Chee]

Fair enough, I can't really argue as I've only done one log.

I just think a few inspirational pictures or fun additions keep the logs entertaining and interesting. They don't have to serve much of a purpose other than to make the whole experience more 'pleasing on the eye' and engage those who choose to follow your log.

I used to (sometimes).

If I do something, it has to have a purpose. Things for the sake of adding things is not worth it. If something will complement that particular day/post (i.e. like the song choices), then I will add it.

My logs are about experience and effects of the different products, as well as results. I keep them for myself as well; it serves as an online training diary (instead of me rewriting everything out 2-3 times for myself and then the log, as I used to).

I agree, they are Enjoy them and let us know how it goes.

I will. And once testing has been done, then they'll be made available to the world

 

[0-hero]

So bro, if you were to recommend this product, but had to specifically target one genre of gym-goer who would benefit most......

Any criteria?

Ive dropped a ton of weight and still going but now taking a 2 week main. lvl kcals phase.

When i start back (8 days) i plan on having a nice little stack to see me through 6 weeks.

Any suggestions or thoughts? Im talking fat loss/recomp here.

 

[Chub]

So bro, if you were to recommend this product, but had to specifically target one genre of gym-goer who would benefit most......

Any criteria?

Ive dropped a ton of weight and still going but now taking a 2 week main. lvl kcals phase.

When i start back (8 days) i plan on having a nice little stack to see me through 6 weeks.

Any suggestions or thoughts? Im talking fat loss/recomp here.

NeoVar Recomped, IGF-2,Drive and RPM is awesome as a stack. You'd get a great recomp out of it

 

[0-hero]

Wasent a big fan of RPM (caps) tbh mate, was touted to me by a rep as a stim and did nothing (was taking 5 caps pre work out)

This IGF-2 arouses me though, or it could be the pictures in the thread.

Slim xtreme/ Lean Xtreme was a decent stack for dieting but now im after some recomp.

Thinking IGF-2/DCP/ECA possibly.

 

[UKStrength]

So bro, if you were to recommend this product, but had to specifically target one genre of gym-goer who would benefit most......

Any criteria?

From what I've experienced so far IGF-2 benefits just about anyone really.

If you're cutting, recovery time is down from the high volume of training and/or low calories, IGF-2 pretty much destroyed most my DOMS and allowed me to make strength gains even at below maintenance calories and a high training volume. Something usually only AAS delivers.

If you're bulking (preferably lean bulking), I can still see it having a role in your arsenal, again for the recovery benefits but more for augmenting your strength gains.

I'm really looking forward to having this baby in my PCT (I'll be still bulking/maintaining), the strength gains should be enormous. Not only that but it'll help with my hormonal recovery that much faster, hopefully meaning I can jump back on cycle in a shorter time frame this time around.

Ive dropped a ton of weight and still going but now taking a 2 week main. lvl kcals phase.

When i start back (8 days) i plan on having a nice little stack to see me through 6 weeks.

Any suggestions or thoughts? Im talking fat loss/recomp here.

I like Chub's choice of NeoVAR, IGF-2, Drive and RPM.

The old formula of RPM was supposedly no where near as strong as the new one.

I tried out a sample of the new one and it was pretty good as a stim, granted I did nailed 5 caps of the stuff. Maybe get a sample and give it a shot mate?

Thinking IGF-2/DCP/ECA possibly.

I'm leaning towards trying one of these newer transdermals, for me the ultimate recomp stack would be:

Eviscerate/Napalm/Dermatherm Target, with added Yohimbine HCL powder
Suppress-C/Lean Xtreme.
IGF-2
Drive/Testosterone Booster (might give DTH a try after Drive).
High Dose Fish Oil (6g+ of EPA/DHA combined) at meals.
High Dose CLA at meals
Virgin Coconut Oil (2 Tbsp/day at night).
ECY (5 days on 2 off).
Green Tea Extract (High Dosage).
Geranium Extract.

That stack would be sick...

 

[UKStrength]

Day 23

Thoughts on IGF-2:

Woke up today after only 6 hours of (to be fair very deep) sleep. I thought 'bugger it' and went back to sleep for another 3 hours Seriously my chest doesn't have one ounce of DOMS today and considering I nailed that bad boy yesterday, I'm well impressed again.

Thought I'd have a bit of a play and have the IGF-2 powder sublingually...BIG MISTAKE! For the life of me I had to choke that powder back and I don't think it made an ounce of difference as I felt the same as I hit breakfast.

Cutting back a little on the fasted cardio seems to have helped a bit with recovery, I've just been going for much longer walks with the dog later in the day and doing 30mins postworkout with my shake. At least if I'm lazing about all morning I can put full intensity into my training, or at least that's the plan!

Libido is still great I felt awesome all morning even through having my chest waxed today (first time ever), the girl doing the treatment was pretty cute and her eyes pretty much said it all as I took my top off...:bigeyes2::hitit:

Training: Shoulders and Calves

Shoulders and Traps

A1 Dumbell Shoulder Press: 12,11,11,9 (30kg DB)
A2 Dumbell Seated Shrug: 9,9,9,8 (50kg DB)
B1 Close Grip Upright Row: 10,10,9,8 (EZ + 35kg)
B2 Behind the back Barbell Shrug: 8,8,8,8, (125kg)
C1 Lateral Raise: 14,12,12 (14kg DB)
C2 Close Grip Barbell Shrug: 12,12,12,12 (100kg)
D1 Reverse DB Fly: 12,12,12 (14kg DB)
D2 Neutral Grip Shoulder Press: 7,7,7 (24kg DB)
E1 Lateral Holds (hold DB straight out to sides for as long as possible) (5kg) 50,50,48 (seconds)
E2 Reverse Cable Flies: 16,16,16 (25kg)

Calves

80 reps at 70kg (seated calf machine).

Thoughts on Training:

I changed up some of the exercises today. Even though I'm always striving for more width, I felt I had too many 'lateral raise' exercises so I added in upright rows and removed the lying side raises. The upright rows were nice They hit my medial delts really hard, so they'll be here to stay for a while.

Aggression and focus wasn't anywhere near as it was yesterday (I miss the RPM already!), I think a new pre-workout stim will need to be purchased ASAP for after the holiday...so many choices these days!

Good session though, I didn't give myself today to do HIIT, I'd rather do all my lifting sessions and take Friday off as I'll be flying and travelling that day anyway, so I'll be knackered.

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[0-hero]

Jesus nice!

RPM new formula aye *strokes chin* interesting. Im gonna have to go with IGF after this log and a few other rec's (chub) because it looks awesome. Simply for the DOMs factor, right now i cant straight my arms, and walking up stairs hurt.

Coming to the last 30lbs i need to drop before im shredded, the DOMs are really playing a part, even the bloody X trainer hurts now, dont talk about grappling or clinch work in muay thai

Looking at some anabolic support as well. Havent touched anything anabolic (synthetic) for 5 years.

 

[0-hero]

P.s id rep you guys but it says i have to spread it around?

Thats bullshit, means i have to give random reps out to give it to the people who always seem to give advice i find useful.

/rant

 

[UKStrength]

Jesus nice!

Yeah Heidi's a beaut :hitit:

RPM new formula aye *strokes chin* interesting. Im gonna have to go with IGF after this log and a few other rec's (chub) because it looks awesome. Simply for the DOMs factor, right now i cant straight my arms, and walking up stairs hurt.

Do you do foam rolling/self-massage as well mate? That'll help with the DOMS a lot in the meanwhile, it also improves blood perfusion and flexibility if you target certain muscle groups.

Looking at some anabolic support as well. Havent touched anything anabolic (synthetic) for 5 years.

What did you run in the past if you don't mind me asking? I can't wait for 'proper' AAS again.

P.s id rep you guys but it says i have to spread it around?

Thats bullshit, means i have to give random reps out to give it to the people who always seem to give advice i find useful.

/rant

Lol, as long as we get it one way or another

 

[0-hero]

Past has included all manner of PHs/POMs and AAS.

I'll do a list but like i said its been a while lol

Superone + (transdermal PH)
M1t
P/phex

And a ton more i cant remember the names of lol

Test enathate
Test prop
Winny/liquid winny
Deca
Oxy/liquid oxy
Dbol
Tbol
Anavar

Not all together obviously lol, at doses varying from 250mg ED (prop) to 1g a week (enathate).

T3
T5
Clen
DNP

 

[UKStrength]

Past has included all manner of PHs/POMs and AAS.

I'll do a list but like i said its been a while lol

Superone + (transdermal PH)
M1t
P/phex

And a ton more i cant remember the names of lol

Test enathate
Test prop
Winny/liquid winny
Deca
Oxy/liquid oxy
Dbol
Tbol
Anavar

Not all together obviously lol, at doses varying from 250mg ED (prop) to 1g a week (enathate).

T3
T5
Clen
DNP

:jaw:

....wow, mate...serious :notworthy:

I'm not suprised now you got up to >300lbs! What was your favourite compound/combo?

I don't see tren in there, not fancy it?

 

[fightbackhxc]

I hear all these people tossing around the word recomp....meaning gaining musce while cutting weight. From my understanding, its almost impossible to do that unless your diet is absolutely, and i mean absolutely perfect. Is my understanding wrong? The deficit of calories while cutting does not really promote muscle building.......

 

[UKStrength]

I hear all these people tossing around the word recomp....meaning gaining musce while cutting weight. From my understanding, its almost impossible to do that unless your diet is absolutely, and i mean absolutely perfect. Is my understanding wrong? The deficit of calories while cutting does not really promote muscle building.......

No you're right mate, a deficit of calories makes it a lot harder but not necessarily impossible to grow muscle, especially on AAS/DS/PH.

If you provide the muscle with a strong enough training stimulus it will grow even under calorie restriction, it's just extremely slow when not on AAS.

The exogenous androgens provide an environment that makes building muscle that little bit easier (retention of nitrogen, increased protein synthesis), whilst the calorie deficit means liberation of fats from storage for energy.

I think this why many trainees prefer the 'bulk' and 'cut' methods, you seen instant results. Whereas lean bulking with periodic recomping makes it a heck of a lot slower to see results.

 

[fightbackhxc]

well i mean i know you can on PH/DS but I was just talking in general natural terms. Thanks for the reply tho!

 

[0-hero]

Ive dropped nearly 100lbs now and 100% lost fat in there somewhere haha, seriously though im stronger now at this weight than i was when i was 100lbs heavier and my whole shape as changed with regards to distribution of muscle.

Id call that a recomp.

 

[UKStrength]

well i mean i know you can on PH/DS but I was just talking in general natural terms. Thanks for the reply tho!

Even naturally it can be done, but it would require some awesome supplementation and a really well-tuned diet and training program as you'll be dicing with overtraining constantly.

Ive dropped nearly 100lbs now and 100% lost fat in there somewhere haha, seriously though im stronger now at this weight than i was when i was 100lbs heavier and my whole shape as changed with regards to distribution of muscle.

Id call that a recomp.

That is one hell of a recomp big man!

I have to agree as well, some of my exercises I'm virtually the same if not better strength than I was on test.

 

[fightbackhxc]

well getting stronger and putting on mass are two different things really. I can keep/gain strength on my cuts but my gains in terms of mass are halted.

 

[Rosie Chee]

I hear all these people tossing around the word recomp....meaning gaining musce while cutting weight. From my understanding, its almost impossible to do that unless your diet is absolutely, and i mean absolutely perfect. Is my understanding wrong? The deficit of calories while cutting does not really promote muscle building.......

well i mean i know you can on PH/DS but I was just talking in general natural terms. Thanks for the reply tho!

On a recomp you do not necessarily lose WEIGHT, especially if you're gaining muscle (for example, going from 116.6lb at 10.5% BF to 118.8lb at 9.9% BF, I gained weight and LBM, but lost fat). Recomping means that you gain muscle mass and strength whilst either staying relatively lean or losing some fat (for example, over the last 3 weeks I have gained 2.6818lb of LBM and lost 0.4818lb of fat). It IS possible, and yes, your diet must be manipulated just right. It IS a SLOW process, but it can be better than doing the traditional "bulk" and then "cut", and some individuals (like myself) prefer it.

Even naturally it can be done, but it would require some awesome supplementation and a really well-tuned diet and training program as you'll be dicing with overtraining constantly.

Yes. Recomping is something that I pretty much do perpetually (sicne I love my food so much), and cycling calories is the diet method I "use". Training is as hard and intense as it can be. And supplements definitely help if the other factors are in place (and IGF-2 is the best product I've used so far for this).

well getting stronger and putting on mass are two different things really. I can keep/gain strength on my cuts but my gains in terms of mass are halted.

In a way. However, generally, to gain strength you need to be eating in surplus of maintenance. In saying that, strength gains can continue to be made even while losing fat if you train hard enough. Mass gains on a typical cut won't happen though, since you won't be feeding your body what it needs to grow.

 

[0-hero]

Mass and muscle are also two different things though. How does one gauge lean mass gain on a cut of over 100lbs? the best gauge i have is strength, generally in the past if im losing lean mass the results are directly related to my strength loss.

Generally i think its safe to say if your gaining strength and losing bodyfat your also gaining some lean mass.

Ive done this without anabolic support by the way, so with it, its 100% possible.

 

[0-hero]

:jaw:

....wow, mate...serious :notworthy:

I'm not suprised now you got up to >300lbs! What was your favourite compound/combo?

I don't see tren in there, not fancy it?

Yeah an unhealthy bloated 300lbs, looked mean, performed shite.

I turned up to my first Muay Thai class at 315lbs with 20 inch arms, no abs but not a big belly, within 5mins i was on the floor thought i was dying.

Heard the saying once "your built for show, im built to go!"

So i train for functional strength now, lots of core work lately, ton of varying cardio types, and mixed martial arts.

Favorite was the prop and winny combo, 250mg prop ED (painful) and 80mg oral winny.

I did a tren ester for a little while, had tren cough 3 times in 7 jabs and nearly killed a random dude on the train for literally nothing.

Ive mentioned my anger before, i underestimated its effects, never again.

 

[UKStrength]

Yeah an unhealthy bloated 300lbs, looked mean, performed shite.

I turned up to my first Muay Thai class at 315lbs with 20 inch arms, no abs but not a big belly, within 5mins i was on the floor thought i was dying.

Heard the saying once "your built for show, im built to go!"

Yeah I've been building myself to go for a while, I think a bit of show is what I really want at this moment in time.

Favorite was the prop and winny combo, 250mg prop ED (painful) and 80mg oral winny.

Sounds nice. I've considered winny, and might still use it on my next cycle, Test E for 12 weeks with a winny/test prop kickstart, a winny/test prop finisher and then move into a test taper. I don't think I'm ready for tren yet.

I'd be careful with the martial arts schools, some of them are full of self-righteous pricks that think they're the next bruce lee or something.

Most of the teachers have never been in an actual (ie. street) fight and spout a lot of bull.

I hope yours is good though mate, Muay Thai was awesome for conditioning when I had a crack at it.

 

[0-hero]

Yeah mate both main instructors are ex world champs with vids on the internet, walls full of pictures with various guests over the years, its the real deal.

Found that out on more than one occasion lol, gonna order my stack soon!

Still deciding on a PH though, probably epi.