TRUTHORNOTHIN'S UR SPRAY LOG .... THE RETURN OF "TRUTH"

[Patrick Arnold]

pffft....the first time I trained at 20-25 reps for a gym workout I was DYING. I hadn't felt a legitimate PUMP in my back in so long. Unreal. Way harder than a lower rep, higher weight workout.

try occlusion training. its a great alternative when the aches and pains preclude heavy weights

 

[muad33b]

I look forward to seeing your results Rosie. I think I've figure out my problem...training too heavy every workout how else is a man supposed to train? Update forthcoming

That's why I keep things low volume, do reverse pyramid, lean gains style: xxx.leangains.com/2008/12/reverse-pyramid-revisited.html (change xxx to www - can't post links yet, post count too low lol)

As that really seems to epitomize what I was gravitating towards anyhow from a powerlifting standpoint (as opposed to those who look for bigger muscles with lighter weights, working out for a shirt-splitting "pump") so that I could still lift heavy, but give my joints the minimum amount of strain, manage injuries, keep inflammation down, etc... and as it stands, every 8 weeks or so I typically find that I need to de-load and go with repping out my medium warmups for a week to get any nagging joint pain down, after which I return to the heavy weights with no strength lost at worst, but typically stronger than I was...

Of course, that all said, as I mentioned to you in another forum, that's not to say I don't need some high volume work from the perspective of increasing endurance/cardio (which I hate) for sports performance (which I love)... so I'm working up the steam to start adding some of that into my training schedule, while keeping the lifting heavy and low volume.

EDIT: Worth noting that I use the principles and core lifts of the Reverse Pyramid style, with my own ancillary work, so I don't follow it to a "T" - but there are some workouts when I leave the gym after having done single-digit sets, including 2 warmups.

 

[muad33b]

try occlusion training. its a great alternative when the aches and pains preclude heavy weights

Very interesting stuff, will have to look at this more and experiment for sure, probably during my next deload. Have you spent any time with it?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Very interesting stuff, will have to look at this more and experiment for sure, probably during my next deload. Have you spent any time with it?

yeah it works quite well but u cant do it on many bodyparts other than arms and legs

 

[truthornothin]

yeah it works quite well but u cant do it on many bodyparts other than arms and legs

I looked into it may try it for triceps. What do you use for a tourniquet? I guess an ACE bandage would work eh?

 

[muad33b]

Since I can't post links, I'll refer to two links the hard way. If I go to google, and type in "occlusion training" (without the new google specialized results) the top response is an Iron Man mag article, the second is a PDF from ABC. I've skimmed these quickly.

yeah it works quite well but u cant do it on many bodyparts other than arms and legs

The ABC PDF refers to doing things for upper body, like bench, followed by a lower body (leg) occlusion set, like squats or walking, and that causing increased hypertrophy of the upper body muscles used. Didn't read it in detail, but if I ever decide to give this a shot, I will. Thought you might find that interesting.

I looked into it may try it for triceps. What do you use for a tourniquet? I guess an ACE bandage would work eh?

The Iron Man mag article talks about multiple things one could use, from blood pressure cuffs, to regular old knee wraps, to "kaatsu" wraps (google "kaatsu training" for more on occlusion training)... this one also cautions to not leave a muscle occluded for more than 10 minutes at a time, else one increases the risk of necrosis or embolism.

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That all said, it's no wonder that my calfs seem to grow on their own, when I pretty much stopped doing calf raises; I knee wrap on my squat sets above 315 (which is my medium warmup weight)... cool stuff, thanks to Patrick for bringing this up.

 

[truthornothin]

Since I can't post links, I'll refer to two links the hard way. If I go to google, and type in "occlusion training" (without the new google specialized results) the top response is an Iron Man mag article, the second is a PDF from ABC. I've skimmed these quickly.



The ABC PDF refers to doing things for upper body, like bench, followed by a lower body (leg) occlusion set, like squats or walking, and that causing increased hypertrophy of the upper body muscles used. Didn't read it in detail, but if I ever decide to give this a shot, I will. Thought you might find that interesting.



The Iron Man mag article talks about multiple things one could use, from blood pressure cuffs, to regular old knee wraps, to "kaatsu" wraps (google "kaatsu training" for more on occlusion training)... this one also cautions to not leave a muscle occluded for more than 10 minutes at a time, else one increases the risk of necrosis or embolism.

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That all said, it's no wonder that my calfs seem to grow on their own, when I pretty much stopped doing calf raises; I knee wrap on my squat sets above 315 (which is my medium warmup weight)... cool stuff, thanks to Patrick for bringing this up.

I was stuck at work limited access I found this

http://www.healthhabits.ca/2009/07/06/occlusion-kaatsu-training-the-easiest-and-fastest-way-to-build-muscle-mass-or-health-club-kink/

Check out figure 3 its hiiiiilarious

I wonder if the hormonal release would make UR-Spray more effective ...trying to stay on topic

All kidding aside here is a very detailed article on the topic http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/index.cfm?page=article&go2=1489

 

[truthornothin]

Since I can't post links, I'll refer to two links the hard way. If I go to google, and type in "occlusion training" (without the new google specialized results) the top response is an Iron Man mag article, the second is a PDF from ABC. I've skimmed these quickly.



The ABC PDF refers to doing things for upper body, like bench, followed by a lower body (leg) occlusion set, like squats or walking, and that causing increased hypertrophy of the upper body muscles used. Didn't read it in detail, but if I ever decide to give this a shot, I will. Thought you might find that interesting.



The Iron Man mag article talks about multiple things one could use, from blood pressure cuffs, to regular old knee wraps, to "kaatsu" wraps (google "kaatsu training" for more on occlusion training)... this one also cautions to not leave a muscle occluded for more than 10 minutes at a time, else one increases the risk of necrosis or embolism.

--

That all said, it's no wonder that my calfs seem to grow on their own, when I pretty much stopped doing calf raises; I knee wrap on my squat sets above 315 (which is my medium warmup weight)... cool stuff, thanks to Patrick for bringing this up.

Oh and regarding your calves growing on their own....I hate you lol my calves won't grow no matter what protocol I apply

 

[muad33b]

I was stuck at work limited access I found this

xxx.healthhabits.ca/2009/07/06/occlusion-kaatsu-training-the-easiest-and-fastest-way-to-build-muscle-mass-or-health-club-kink/

Check out figure 3 its hiiiiilarious

I wonder if the hormonal release would make UR-Spray more effective ...trying to stay on topic

All kidding aside here is a very detailed article on the topic xxx.ironmanmagazine.com/index.cfm?page=article&go2=1489

I had read the first article and had a similar thought "I'll have to do a better job of setting up my occlusion straps as things were looking a little tight there... reminded me of a rock climbing harness.

Yea, that's the Iron Man Mag article I was referring to, the PDF is: xxx.abcbodybuilding.com/ABCocclusionpaper.pdf (replace xxx with www) - yes, we've slid a bit off topic, but I think probably no one knows if the MOAs of UR-Spray would have any synergistic effects with occlusion training. In reviewing this article: xxx.musculardevelopment.com/articles/training/3105-blood-occlusion-training-the-next-generation-of-anabolic-exercise-by-layne-norton.html (xxx = www) there are multiple theories for the MOAs of occlusion training:

1) "pre-fatiguing" (aerobic) slow-twitch fibers by reducing oxygen delivery to them, preferentially loading (anaerobic) fast-twitch fibers, which have more potential for hypertrophy.
2) Lactate accumulation leading to a twofold increase in GH
3) increase muscle protein synthesis, mTOR signaling, and the expression of NOS-1, which has been shown to increase muscle growth through increased satellite cell activation.

The write-up for Ursobolic on the e-pharm website says:

The researchers found that one of its main mechanisms is through enhancing the expression of muscular IGF-1 gene. The local production of IGF-1 in muscle is perhaps the single most instrumental process in the muscle hypertrophy response as it initiates the key steps of satellite cell recruitment into new myonuclei and protein synthesis via the kinase Akt.

So to me, #'s 2 & 3 above looks like there's maybe a potential for synergy in the MOAs, but I think this is something that maybe Patrick could comment on, as we're over my head with that stuff.

Oh and regarding your calves growing on their own....I hate you lol my calves won't grow no matter what protocol I apply

Seems like it's easy enough to try the occlusion training on them then... maybe you can experiment with that and UR-spray to see if there's any synergistic effect, or in your case, if you can get those puppies to grow.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Just do it. Stop throwing around 50 cent words like synergism. They wont make you grow any more than you are gonna

 

[muad33b]

Just do it. Stop throwing around 50 cent words like synergism. They wont make you grow any more than you are gonna

lol ok, was just trying to answer the man's question, although it was clearly over my head to do so. I'll give it a shot next time I deload. Now I wonder if this works on any other "appendages"... :silly:

 

[truthornothin]

lol ok, was just trying to answer the man's question, although it was clearly over my head to do so. I'll give it a shot next time I deload. Now I wonder if this works on any other "appendages"... :silly:

Tried it on my triceps this evening. At the end of my workout. I was stunned how fatigued I got using half the weight. Pat do you think you could accelerate growth using occlusion for say the last 10 minutes per body part instead of the whole workout. I am trying to find some quick less obtrusive way to tourniquet. Especially for tris, Its a lock I am going to do it for calves, ...I'll try anything for that

 

[truthornothin]

Tried it on my triceps this evening. At the end of my workout. I was stunned how fatigued I got using half the weight. Pat do you think you could accelerate growth using occlusion for say the last 10 minutes per body part instead of the whole workout. I am trying to find some quick less obtrusive way to tourniquet. Especially for tris, Its a lock I am going to do it for calves, ...I'll try anything for that

Quick update, still using UR-Spray x 50 x 2 After a month of rampant eating I have returned to just a sensible diet, not calorie deficient and low carb not no carb. Intake of carbs around 100 grams a day and am leaning out nicely. Results of rampant eating? thicker bi's and set pr's all over the place with a minimal of fat accumulation. My strength increases coupled with my ego got the better of me in the joint department. After months of pain free elbows I was doing multiple sets of pushdowns with the stack + 60 and managed to again wreck my elbows well that and the nagging injury from lifting the loaded U-Haul trailer off the the trailer ball. My back and quads are much improved and I am stronger and just feel better overall

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Tried it on my triceps this evening. At the end of my workout. I was stunned how fatigued I got using half the weight. Pat do you think you could accelerate growth using occlusion for say the last 10 minutes per body part instead of the whole workout. t

I have no idea

Personally i think this kind of training should be reserved for the times u need to give your joints a rest, which means you do it exclusively when you do it and not in combo with regular heavy weight training

 

[truthornothin]

I have no idea

Personally i think this kind of training should be reserved for the times u need to give your joints a rest, which means you do it exclusively when you do it and not in combo with regular heavy weight training

Gotcha', that being said what do you use as a tourniquet, I used knee wraps but they are bulky wish other than a plood pressure cuff there was an quick way to occlude blood flow, ..a pair of trainied boa constrictors maybe..

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Gotcha', that being said what do you use as a tourniquet, I used knee wraps but they are bulky wish other than a plood pressure cuff there was an quick way to occlude blood flow, ..a pair of trainied boa constrictors maybe..

knee wraps or those rubber hoses used for tourniquets.

 

[truthornothin]

knee wraps or those rubber hoses used for tourniquets.

Ahhh surgical tubing....but won't that make me look like a junkie lol

 

[monkey101]

I just use a nylon lanyard and tie a slip knot in it. When preforming dumbbell concentration curls you can hold on to the loss end with your opposite hand, and adjust tension while performing the exercise. Google slipknot if you don't know how to tie one.

 

[truthornothin]

I just use a nylon lanyard and tie a slip knot in it. When preforming dumbbell concentration curls you can hold on to the loss end with your opposite hand, and adjust tension while performing the exercise. Google slipknot if you don't know how to tie one.

I'm an ex depressive I'll just tie a noose, I used my knee wraps for calf training today. Good God! I was not prepared for the massive burn. I used about 60% of my regular workout weight, by the eighth rep my calves were on fire by 12 I could no longer stand the burn. I had to loosen the wraps(think I had them a tad tight anyway. I did 5 sets of twelves and my calves were totally fried and sore. WIll definitely be doing this for calves('cuz nothing else has ever made them grow) and tris to protect my elbows, gonna give it six weeks and see how it goes. I am opting for the surgical tubing the lanyard sounds like it may cut into the skin a tad.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

I'm an ex depressive I'll just tie a noose, I used my knee wraps for calf training today. Good God! I was not prepared for the massive burn. I used about 60% of my regular workout weight, by the eighth rep my calves were on fire by 12 I could no longer stand the burn. I had to loosen the wraps(think I had them a tad tight anyway. I did 5 sets of twelves and my calves were totally fried and sore. WIll definitely be doing this for calves('cuz nothing else has ever made them grow) and tris to protect my elbows, gonna give it six weeks and see how it goes. I am opting for the surgical tubing the lanyard sounds like it may cut into the skin a tad.

u should be doing sets of 20-25 really. dont be afraid to go light with occlusion training. u kinda defeat the purpose if you go to heavy

and for you david i recommend panty hose or a garter belt rather than knee wraps. It will help put you in the mood for using light weights

 

[truthornothin]

u should be doing sets of 20-25 really. dont be afraid to go light with occlusion training. u kinda defeat the purpose if you go to heavy

and for you david i recommend panty hose or a garter belt rather than knee wraps. It will help put you in the mood for using light weights

Maybe you could send me yours?

 

[truthornothin]

u should be doing sets of 20-25 really. dont be afraid to go light with occlusion training. u kinda defeat the purpose if you go to heavy

and for you david i recommend panty hose or a garter belt rather than knee wraps. It will help put you in the mood for using light weights

I went a hundred pounds under my norm I'll do the 20% of a 1 rep max as they suggested, that just seemed too light.

Garter belt eh? You gonna' send me one of yours?

 

[truthornothin]

Occlusion training update:

I took Patrick's advice and used a black lacey garter to occlude my triceps else I'd have gone way too heavy, I went light and felt pretty all at the same time......KIDDIN'! All kidding aside I bought some surgical tubing, it works great but there were some chuckles..I don't give a Flying F**k as long as it works. Patrick is right in that it is hard to get my head wrapped around using the light weight required. He has never steered me wrong before so I took his advice(garters and panty hose not withstanding) First set of pushdowns at 55lbs got 25, thought better up the weight, at 75 pounds could only complete 15 reps, dropped back to 55 and got 20 x1 and 15x 1. Tris were pumped and sore, on fire actually. I think this may actually work my elbows desperately need the rest.

On my calves I have been using knee wraps and light weight. The pain is excruciating its the worst lactic acid burn ever. After my third set I am ripping the wraps off. If this can make my pitiful calves turn into cows I may right a book and become an occlusion training guru/advocate

 

[muad33b]

Occlusion training update:

I took Patrick's advice and used a black lacey garter to occlude my triceps else I'd have gone way too heavy, I went light and felt pretty all at the same time......KIDDIN'! All kidding aside I bought some surgical tubing, it works great but there were some chuckles..I don't give a Flying F**k as long as it works. Patrick is right in that it is hard to get my head wrapped around using the light weight required. He has never steered me wrong before so I took his advice(garters and panty hose not withstanding) First set of pushdowns at 55lbs got 25, thought better up the weight, at 75 pounds could only complete 15 reps, dropped back to 55 and got 20 x1 and 15x 1. Tris were pumped and sore, on fire actually. I think this may actually work my elbows desperately need the rest.

On my calves I have been using knee wraps and light weight. The pain is excruciating its the worst lactic acid burn ever. After my third set I am ripping the wraps off. If this can make my pitiful calves turn into cows I may right a book and become an occlusion training guru/advocate

I'm going to give this a try this week, as my left elbow tendonitis has flared up. JointForce helped me get it back under control, but that's a big sign that I should de-load this week. Where did you get the surgical tubing? I'm thinking I'll just buy some cheap exercise bands at Walmart or something. Did you try any chest/back moves with your arms occluded, or was it all arm and calf work? Also, did you read that article that suggested one could do a chest or back exercise, and then do a set of occluded squats and get the benefit of occlusion in the chest/back muscles? (google for abcocclusionpaper.pdf and it's the first hit)

 

[truthornothin]

I'm going to give this a try this week, as my left elbow tendonitis has flared up. JointForce helped me get it back under control, but that's a big sign that I should de-load this week. Where did you get the surgical tubing? I'm thinking I'll just buy some cheap exercise bands at Walmart or something. Did you try any chest/back moves with your arms occluded, or was it all arm and calf work? Also, did you read that article that suggested one could do a chest or back exercise, and then do a set of occluded squats and get the benefit of occlusion in the chest/back muscles? (google for abcocclusionpaper.pdf and it's the first hit)

Ixnay on the surgical tubing it is hard to control, especially the exercise bands they have a slick coating and won't stay tight. I got the surgical tubing at Lowe's believe it or not, Home depot carries it too. I found a site that suggested this item in particular. The McDavid Jumpers Knee strap 414R. Its pricey at $14 per, but perfect for the task. I got it at Sports Authority. If I were looking for a cheaper yet good alternative I'd just use Ace Bandages.

I did read the article you are speaking of, but then read another article that suggested occluded squats are not a good idea because of balance issues into the sets,as I work out sans spotter that may not work for me. I do understand that the hormonal cascade would be mighty and would benefit the entire body and may try it with leg extensions or leg presses instead.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

I'm going to give this a try this week, as my left elbow tendonitis has flared up. JointForce helped me get it back under control, but that's a big sign that I should de-load this week. Where did you get the surgical tubing? I'm thinking I'll just buy some cheap exercise bands at Walmart or something. Did you try any chest/back moves with your arms occluded, or was it all arm and calf work? Also, did you read that article that suggested one could do a chest or back exercise, and then do a set of occluded squats and get the benefit of occlusion in the chest/back muscles? (google for abcocclusionpaper.pdf and it's the first hit)

exercise bands work. its hard to tie these things on yourself though

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Ixnay on the surgical tubing it is hard to control, especially the exercise bands they have a slick coating and won't stay tight. I got the surgical tubing at Lowe's believe it or not, Home depot carries it too. I found a site that suggested this item in particular. The McDavid Jumpers Knee strap 414R. Its pricey at $14 per, but perfect for the task. I got it at Sports Authority. If I were looking for a cheaper yet good alternative I'd just use Ace Bandages. .

that band uses velcro right? u sure that will hold good enough?

 

[muad33b]

Did some occlusion training tonight, just arms, 3 rounds of supersets with ace bandages (took one long bandage and tore it into 4 pieces; had a friend with me) since the two places I went didn't have surgical tubing. I ended up doing just the following:

My goal was to ensure that we did 4 sets in < 10 minutes, which wasn't a problem.

1) bands on, bodyweight dips, db curls, dips, curls, bands off.
2) bands on, single arm reverse grip cable pressdown with internal twist at the end, db curls, pressdowns, curls, bands off.
3) bands on, pressdowns, curls, pressdowns, curls, bands off.

By the end of round 2 we were both looking seriously swole... by the end of round 3, we both agreed it was the biggest pump we'd ever achieved, and decided we were good for the night. It wasn't as painfull as I thought it would be (expected 8 out of 10 more like a 6), and it was way more effective then I thought it would be... my buddy ended up saying that he never wanted to do arms again without occlusion.

Thanks for the tip Patrick, was nice to use light weights and get a great arm workout during my deload/off time... gonna continue to play with this, and UR Spray pre-workout.

 

[truthornothin]

Did some occlusion training tonight, just arms, 3 rounds of supersets with ace bandages (took one long bandage and tore it into 4 pieces; had a friend with me) since the two places I went didn't have surgical tubing. I ended up doing just the following:

My goal was to ensure that we did 4 sets in < 10 minutes, which wasn't a problem.

1) bands on, bodyweight dips, db curls, dips, curls, bands off.
2) bands on, single arm reverse grip cable pressdown with internal twist at the end, db curls, pressdowns, curls, bands off.
3) bands on, pressdowns, curls, pressdowns, curls, bands off.

By the end of round 2 we were both looking seriously swole... by the end of round 3, we both agreed it was the biggest pump we'd ever achieved, and decided we were good for the night. It wasn't as painfull as I thought it would be (expected 8 out of 10 more like a 6), and it was way more effective then I thought it would be... my buddy ended up saying that he never wanted to do arms again without occlusion.

Thanks for the tip Patrick, was nice to use light weights and get a great arm workout during my deload/off time... gonna continue to play with this, and UR Spray pre-workout.

I did tri's occluded yesterday, it hurts, a lot, and I had a good pump with the bands on, when I took the bands off, I could feel the skin tightening and literally stretching. I think when my elbows heal up I am going to go heavy for 4weeks at a stretch then occlude for two. I'll see how that works out.

 

[jaydollars]

Bump for updates?

 

[truthornothin]

Bump for updates?

Everything going well, cutting for an upcoming event and today is carb up day see below

UR- Spray is still a staple, have been low carbing it and the Captain Crunch was a welcome change

 

[RD929]

Old blood pressure cuffs? Like PA said, I can't imagine being able to take off the tubing or bands and then tying it back on quick enough in time for the next set. It definitely seems to be an issue when occlusion training is brought up. I'm sure you can find old BP cuffs somewhere fairly cheap? As long as they hold the pressure...

Or unless you still are able to tie off and on from your heroin days...

 

[truthornothin]

Old blood pressure cuffs? Like PA said, I can't imagine being able to take off the tubing or bands and then tying it back on quick enough in time for the next set. It definitely seems to be an issue when occlusion training is brought up. I'm sure you can find old BP cuffs somewhere fairly cheap? As long as they hold the pressure...

Or unless you still are able to tie off and on from your heroin days...

I have solved the problem, the leg bands hold their setting but are too hard to pull up my arm when set properly. I tied the surgical tubing into permanent loops and its stretchy enough to go up my arm but hold like a mf'er during my sets. You do not take them on and off. You leave them on throughout the routine for the particular body part. I am having great success on my calves and tris, calves are growing when they never would before, and triceps maintaining while I give my elbows a break.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Old blood pressure cuffs? Like PA said, I can't imagine being able to take off the tubing or bands and then tying it back on quick enough in time for the next set. It definitely seems to be an issue when occlusion training is brought up. I'm sure you can find old BP cuffs somewhere fairly cheap? As long as they hold the pressure...

Or unless you still are able to tie off and on from your heroin days...

u do not remove the tubing between sets

 

[muad33b]

u do not remove the tubing between sets

Yea, that's kinda what I did... I did 3 super-sets (6 total sets) before taking a short break and then repeated that round 2 more times, for a total of 18 sets occluded with two breaks for about 3-5 minutes in the middle.... from what I was reading it was advisable to leave them on for no more than 10 minutes to avoid the risk of necrosis or embolism, which is why I did this in 3 rounds; to be sure I didn't push that envelope. Works like a charm; best pump I've ever had.

 

[truthornothin]

u do not remove the tubing between sets

no, I leave them on for the duration of that body part's workout. I followed a training regimen I found online and like Jeff said, 10 mins, I complete my tricep routine in about that much time. I do 4 sets of seated dips on the hoist dip machine and 4 set of pushdowns. Jeff is right the pumps are freaking ridiculous. My calves I do the same way but I use wraps.

I have also started to include(against Patrick's advice, sorry Patrick) 4 sets of occlusion curls at the end of my bicep workout. I cannot touch my face after the pump is so intense. I do it every other work out.

Calves are improved as they wouldn't grow at all, triceps are growing again though I've really f'ed my elbows, I have a fluid filled pouch on the right one after last Sunday. Thinking of aspirating it myself...nah, better not.

Anyway a big thanks to Patrick for recommending it. It does seem to work, though I get weird stares when I pull up the surgical tubing, next time I may tap my vein a little just for laughs lol

 

[howwedo107]

Everything going well, cutting for an upcoming event and today is carb up day see below

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UR- Spray is still a staple, have been low carbing it and the Captain Crunch was a welcome change

Epic lol just pour that whole box in there until it cuts the roof of your mouth haha

 

[truthornothin]

Epic lol just pour that whole box in there until it cuts the roof of your mouth haha

Luv the Capn' Crunch

 

[howwedo107]

Luv the Capn' Crunch

My one carb up was a whole box of mini wheats oh man was that awesome lol

 

[truthornothin]

My one carb up was a whole box of mini wheats oh man was that awesome lol

No Way! I had a giant bowl of miniwheats before the two bowls of Captain Crunch lol and that's the truth

 

[truthornothin]

no, I leave them on for the duration of that body part's workout. I followed a training regimen I found online and like Jeff said, 10 mins, I complete my tricep routine in about that much time. I do 4 sets of seated dips on the hoist dip machine and 4 set of pushdowns. Jeff is right the pumps are freaking ridiculous. My calves I do the same way but I use wraps.

I have also started to include(against Patrick's advice, sorry Patrick) 4 sets of occlusion curls at the end of my bicep workout. I cannot touch my face after the pump is so intense. I do it every other work out.

Calves are improved as they wouldn't grow at all, triceps are growing again though I've really f'ed my elbows, I have a fluid filled pouch on the right one after last Sunday. Thinking of aspirating it myself...nah, better not.

Anyway a big thanks to Patrick for recommending it. It does seem to work, though I get weird stares when I pull up the surgical tubing, next time I may tap my vein a little just for laughs lol

Had to delete the prior post, due to editorial input, My gf's input . She made me delete a pic any hoo here is the revised post....

Here is the surgical tubing and why people stare at me in the gym when I use it, I look like a heroin addict working out between shootups

Here is aforementioned Girlfriend, she doesn't need occlusion to make her triceps grow and the guys stare at her for other reasons lol.. She is a natural athlete no juice despite what you may think.

 

[truthornothin]

The bicep is coming along nicely notice the split at the top where you can actually start to see the separation of the two heads even though the pic is a bit blurry

 

[muad33b]

The bicep is coming along nicely notice the split at the top where you can actually start to see the separation of the two heads even though the pic is a bit blurry

Siiick bro; I'd be thrilled if my bicep looked half as good as that...

 

[truthornothin]

Siiick bro; I'd be thrilled if my bicep looked half as good as that...

Thanks, it was a little flat due to no carbs, here is me carbing up yesterday 2/3's of the biggest box of Capn' Crunch with crunchberries consumed that was the second bowl of three that size

 

[mattrag]

Man you are indeed cutting it up!
You're gonna look awesome for the event.

 

[truthornothin]

Man you are indeed cutting it up!
You're gonna look awesome for the event.

Thanks, I still feel fat, damn body dysmorphic disorder

 

[muad33b]

Thanks, I still feel fat, damn body dysmorphic disorder

Yea, seriously... I wish I was as "fat" as you are bro.

 

[truthornothin]

Yea, seriously... I wish I was as "fat" as you are bro.

thanks, I got a little shy of three weeks to be where I wanna be for said event, but maybe more as the event remains a little amorphous at the moment...trying to get that sorted out. Today I hope, I don't wanna diet for naught, this boy likes to eat.. Pulled Pork bbq, grits and gravy and biscuits heavy on the butter and jam..... all the good ol' southern delicacies lol

 

[muad33b]

thanks, I got a little shy of three weeks to be where I wanna be for said event, but maybe more as the event remains a little amorphous at the moment...trying to get that sorted out. Today I hope, I don't wanna diet for naught, this boy likes to eat.. Pulled Pork bbq, grits and gravy and biscuits heavy on the butter and jam..... all the good ol' southern delicacies lol

no talking about food until 4pm when I break my daily fast... I'm going fairly low carb this week too so if you see a news article about a guy throwing a cashier thru a wall at a dunkin donuts and eating 300 donuts before being subdued by police while in a carb stupor, you know what happened.:lol:

 

[truthornothin]

no talking about food until 4pm when I break my daily fast... I'm going fairly low carb this week too so if you see a news article about a guy throwing a cashier thru a wall at a dunkin donuts and eating 300 donuts before being subdued by police while in a carb stupor, you know what happened.:lol:

I haven't seen a carb since sunday when I went to the fair and had whatever I wanted fininshing with an elephant ear mmmm good stuff, that beig said I have added the UR tabs to my regimen and even with my culinary indiscretions with fair food I am still leaning out nicely