Tr1iump and d1methadrol

[Jebrook]

This is interesting info about SHBG
binding. Was not aware of this phenomenon. By this token, might it not be better to use it later in PCT after total serum levels have neared the peak? Thoughts MrKleen73 or anyone?

Yes exactly, once you are actually recovered then you would want to run it.



BINGO!!!!!!!

Basically my stance on it is finish PCT, wait 1 month then hit up a nice little 4-8 week run on one and you will really enjoy your bridge / natty period. You want a month of good base production without any external stimulation other than perhaps vitamin D3, & ZMA in the evening which just supports your natty production but does not induce it. That way you have a full month of it up and running on it's own. Your natty levels should keep climbing after your actual PCT is finished. PCT is just to get you out of the danger zone and close to your normal levels then they continue to slowly rise on their own after PCT. So knowing that I would wait a minimum of 4 weeks post PCT in order not to inhibit the natural recovery process.

Hmmm...you have some interesting theories there. Might have to experiment with things a little. Definitely contradicts what myself and a lot of other people recommend for Natty anabolics and test boosters during PCT.

 

[MrKleen73]

Hmmm...you have some interesting theories there. Might have to experiment with things a little. Definitely contradicts what myself and a lot of other people recommend for Natty anabolics and test boosters during PCT.

Yes definitely, as product specialist or reps you are taught the best information to sell supplements. Making someone feel great in PCT is a damn good way to make money, and if they don't know any better it really isn't a huge issue regarding the recovery not being as efficient. Same with running them as a natty test booster, it is just fine and works great as long as you stick with the 4-8 weeks. Once past that point you are going to be slowly lowering your baseline levels. So a lot of it is the responsibility of the users. Also many people refuse to go black or gray market to get SERMS, and AI's so these are the options they are left with. They do work, and there definitely is something to be said for increasing free test quickly the first 2 weeks of PCT. With BLR products being one product for each use would make setting up a custom PCT pretty EZ. Using those products I might set it up like this.

Weeks 1-4 to 6 Nolva
Weeks 1-2 Viron
Weeks 1-3 a cortisol controlling supp
Letrone start week 3 & run out past the end of the Nolva use.

4 weeks down time

Viron weeks 1-8
Rebirth 4-8

4 weeks down time

NEW CYCLE!!!!!

 

[Immunknyc]

Theze products dont work doesnt matter pro hormones never aromatize. So it doesnt matter , all these reps helping sales by pushing this junk

 

[T-Bone]

Theze products dont work doesnt matter pro hormones never aromatize. So it doesnt matter , all these reps helping sales by pushing this junk

Why did you wait three years to post this?

 

[Jebrook]

Theze products dont work doesnt matter pro hormones never aromatize. So it doesnt matter , all these reps helping sales by pushing this junk

Not a positive or factual first post but Welcome to AM anyway. Join the discussion. As you can see we're all trying to learn a thing or two here.

 

[Immunknyc]

I wanted to read an excercise log a while ago dont judge gym and juice knowledge by posts

 

[yates84]

Theze products dont work doesnt matter pro hormones never aromatize. So it doesnt matter , all these reps helping sales by pushing this junk

They occupy the androgen receptor leaving your natural test to freely float around and aromatize. Come on man, we don't push products just for sales.

 

[Immunknyc]

Name 5 pro hormones still made that aroatize ? Be the question of the century

 

[yates84]

Name 5 pro hormones still made that aroatize ? Be the question of the century

Still made? That is a stupid question

 

[MrKleen73]

Theze products dont work doesnt matter pro hormones never aromatize. So it doesnt matter , all these reps helping sales by pushing this junk

I wanted to read an excercise log a while ago dont judge gym and juice knowledge by posts

We kind of have to, it is all we have here. Your first post is incorrect just like the man said. No one is judging your knowledge but your statement is incorrect. No two ways around it.

Dermacrine is a PH - it definitely aromatizes!!!

We are also talking about designer steriods - AKA Triumph, not a PH but a designer steroid. No conversion needed, and no it does not aromatize. However M1,4ADD, Max-LMG, & Trestolone all aromatize and are extremely wet.

On top of that you don't have to have an aromatizing steroid in your cycle to still suffer from estro rebound at the end of a cycle when aromatase enzymes are extremely high because your body has desperately been trying to increase estrogen the entire cycle. Suddenly you get some test back and it all gets converted to estro. None of this is new and is not any different than people running injection based test or masteron if you want something that doesn't aromatize.

I already stated that the real pharm quality stuff is better. However this stuff works for those who are not willing to go the black or gray market route. I find it funny you felt the need to pipe in here when you obviously didn't read the whole thread or you would have seen the discussions regarding being told how to manage it more in a more thrifty manner. Obviously the intent was to educate and not sell anything... Hell I am not even a rep.

 

[MrKleen73]

Name 5 pro hormones still made that aroatize ? Be the question of the century

We only had to name 1 for you to be proven wrong. Dermacrine. Have a nice day!

 

[Jebrook]

Yes definitely, as product specialist or reps you are taught the best information to sell supplements

To be honest, as a rep I was never taught or given any kind of script or direction. I was told I was chosen for being helpful and seeming knowledgeable about areas concerning our products. I still have to refer to others at times for clarification and still read threads daily to enhance understanding. Truthfully I recommend stacks and types of products that were suggested to me when I was a newb that I then tried with success. The whole standard pct layout is pretty standard consensus across the board. I'm gonna look into the merit of the points you raised some more before completely changing my view, but you've definitely sparked some questions. Any resources or links that would be helpful for greater understanding? Thanks.

 

[MrKleen73]

To be honest, as a rep I was never taught or given any kind of script or direction. I was told I was chosen for being helpful and seeming knowledgeable about areas concerning our products. I still have to refer to others at times for clarification and still read threads daily to enhance understanding. Truthfully I recommend stacks and types of products that were suggested to me when I was a newb that I then tried with success. The whole standard pct layout is pretty standard consensus across the board. I'm gonna look into the merit of the points you raised some more before completely changing my view, but you've definitely sparked some questions. Any resources or links that would be helpful for greater understanding? Thanks.

Yeah not saying we are given bad info or anything. We read the write ups and disseminate what we can from them. Of course the write ups are all written to make the supplements attractive. I am not saying they do not work they definitely do. Well many of them. Yes the PCT is pretty standard across supplement based boards. However you go to some of the other real hard core sites that's income is / was not based initially off of supplement sales & there is none of this conversation going on. You go get yourself a good SERM, a good AI, and maybe some HCG. That's it other than general health staples. It is a totally different environment where supplement sales are not part of the entities goals. If you have access to legit chem then spending extra money on supps to back it up is kind of a waste of money.

I would have to look long and hard for the references for what I am stating. I looked them up years ago when I ran my HPTA into the ground running Natty test boosters almost nonstop for a long time. By the end of the year I had to be on something to even feel moderately normal. I only ever got my natty test back up to 450 after that and that was at it's best it was 355 once and 380 another time. I had low libido and all that mess. Ended up jumping on PH's because I was no longer progressing due to lower test. I will have to look if I have some time but in all honestly I don't remember where I found the information, but it was more than one place. The information is not a secret but not yelled from the mountain tops either. Like I said this is why natty test boosters have the do not use for longer than 8 consecutive weeks warning on the bottle.

By the way, I was a Rep for years so I definitely know how it works. They educated us on the characteristics of the ingredients via the handouts same as others got to read. I just always went out and researched on my own too.

 

[Jebrook]

Yeah not saying we are given bad info or anything. We read the write ups and disseminate what we can from them. Of course the write ups are all written to make the supplements attractive. I am not saying they do not work they definitely do. Well many of them. Yes the PCT is pretty standard across supplement based boards. However you go to some of the other real hard core sites that's income is / was not based initially off of supplement sales & there is none of this conversation going on. You go get yourself a good SERM, a good AI, and maybe some HCG. That's it other than general health staples. It is a totally different environment where supplement sales are not part of the entities goals. If you have access to legit chem then spending extra money on supps to back it up is kind of a waste of money.

I would have to look long and hard for the references for what I am stating. I looked them up years ago when I ran my HPTA into the ground running Natty test boosters almost nonstop for a long time. By the end of the year I had to be on something to even feel moderately normal. I only ever got my natty test back up to 450 after that and that was at it's best it was 355 once and 380 another time. I had low libido and all that mess. Ended up jumping on PH's because I was no longer progressing due to lower test. I will have to look if I have some time but in all honestly I don't remember where I found the information, but it was more than one place. The information is not a secret but not yelled from the mountain tops either. Like I said this is why natty test boosters have the do not use for longer than 8 consecutive weeks warning on the bottle.

By the way, I was a Rep for years so I definitely know how it works. They educated us on the characteristics of the ingredients via the handouts same as others got to read. I just always went out and researched on my own too.

Cool. I'll look for info too on my own. Always down to find a way to use supplements that works better and stretches the dollar.

 

[Misfits88]

i read a couple of articles stating that arimidex and nolva arent very productive together, however, nolva and exemestane work great.


also thank you very much for all this knowledge really helps a lot. Considering I havent bought the BLR pct stack just yet nor the nolva or exemestane, I will be using Super PCT since I already have this in my stash along with follidrone. After this cycle I will take a break and start the actual trest,triumph cycle and will definitely use nolva, exemestane for this.

 

[MrKleen73]

i read a couple of articles stating that arimidex and nolva arent very productive together, however, nolva and exemestane work great.


also thank you very much for all this knowledge really helps a lot. Considering I havent bought the BLR pct stack just yet nor the nolva or exemestane, I will be using Super PCT since I already have this in my stash along with follidrone. After this cycle I will take a break and start the actual trest,triumph cycle and will definitely use nolva, exemestane for this.

Interesting on the nolva and adex not working well together. I have no idea why that would be true and this is the first I heard that. What specifically is not supposed to work well? I can't imagine a reason why recovery, and or estro rebound might occur with that combination.

 

[gagandugan]

Because the presence of tamoxifen reduces the effectiveness of anastrozole. But they still can be used together if necessary.

 

[Immunknyc]

Does sound funny people swear by nova peronaly think its a waste . .. but have read many times not to use with tren or other nor esters...i ment they stress pct os not as big as people make it out to be . Alot of people only use clomid or hcg .. i said name 5 still made .. i feel that would difficult over the last ten years (off memory) almost all these ph to come out all claimed two things .. 1. Get big lose fat and 2. No estro

 

[yates84]

Does sound funny people swear by nova peronaly think its a waste . .. but have read many times not to use with tren or other nor esters...i ment they stress pct os not as big as people make it out to be . Alot of people only use clomid or hcg .. i said name 5 still made .. i feel that would difficult over the last ten years (off memory) almost all these ph to come out all claimed two things .. 1. Get big lose fat and 2. No estro

Not using nolva with tren is bro science.
Trest, 4ad, 4dhea, norethandriol, m14add there's your 5

 

[gagandugan]

Does sound funny people swear by nova peronaly think its a waste .

Nova... nolva? A waste of what?

 

[1kerry]

guys, a quick/easy question for you =D Does organ shield from purus labs is enough as a support supp during PCT? iM RUNNING CLOMID 50/50/25/25

THANKS!

 

[Immunknyc]

But those are the same as the old school **** with diff names man . I guess its all the govt lets peeps have ive had enough of them hating on all of us . Guys like trt to the young ph guys .. but why if your over age not on trt or bumping some test? Or you just helping young guys , i am so used to these guys push products .. i will repeat though it is sad that people out law things and make us look to grey market .. i mean test is so cheap the gains difference is crazy , the gov makes it so taboo , never saw a gym rat break into a house to scar a cc of tren. Guys just go to doc and get on a trt ..

 

[Immunknyc]

If come off just clomid maybe a spec of anastrazole. 1kerry ,, ask these guys otc stuff im out of that game like 5 y r s

 

[T-Bone]

But those are the same as the old school **** with diff names man . I guess its all the govt lets peeps have ive had enough of them hating on all of us . Guys like trt to the young ph guys .. but why if your over age not on trt or bumping some test? Or you just helping young guys , i am so used to these guys push products .. i will repeat though it is sad that people out law things and make us look to grey market .. i mean test is so cheap the gains difference is crazy , the gov makes it so taboo , never saw a gym rat break into a house to scar a cc of tren. Guys just go to doc and get on a trt ..

 

[Immunknyc]

Cant see on phone dude my bad

 

[1kerry]

If come off just clomid maybe a spec of anastrazole. 1kerry ,, ask these guys otc stuff im out of that game like 5 y r s

Thanks!

i FINISHED my osta cycle, and currently PCT , taking clomid and just want to know if Organ Shield from Purus labs is enough, or if maybe I should drop it and take CEL CYCLE ASSIST.

 

[gagandugan]

1kerry If you were using Ostarine solo, you don't need anything special in PCT, aside from your SERM. Yes, you could use herbal supplements - milk thistle, for example, you could use NAC, hawthorne berry, red yeast rice... They all work, but it's not necessary in your pct. Take clomid, and if you have the money, buy a good natural test booster for libido and that's all. Is your blood pressure high? Do you feel OK in general?

 

[1kerry]

1kerry If you were using Ostarine solo, you don't need anything special in PCT, aside from your SERM. Yes, you could use herbal supplements - milk thistle, for example, you could use NAC, hawthorne berry, red yeast rice... They all work, but it's not necessary in your pct. Take clomid, and if you have the money, buy a good natural test booster for libido and that's all. Is your blood pressure high? Do you feel OK in general?

BP is fine, im on day 11, still lethargy is present, boys are hanging nice, libido a little improvement, besides clomid Im just taking DAA, xgels and ABE, on day 15 Ill add eliinate....Was asking about support because of liver toxicity on clomid

 

[Immunknyc]

Nah not realy its no issue

 

[yates84]

Nah not realy its no issue

Like he said, not enough toxicity to worry too much. Organ shield will be fine

 

[gagandugan]

Nope, you don't need to take anything else.

 

[gagandugan]

Uh... is this thread still about Tr1umph and D1methadrol? :run:

 

[yates84]

Uh... is this thread still about Tr1umph and D1methadrol? :run:

Yeah, all this belongs in the sarms thread

 

[Joedoubledose]

Says grey market is bad , but uses black market .... And yates what do you like better triumph or dimeth ?

 

[T-Bone]

Thread is like a 12 year old ADD...

 

[jbryand101b]

But those are the same as the old school **** with diff names man . I guess its all the govt lets peeps have ive had enough of them hating on all of us . Guys like trt to the young ph guys .. but why if your over age not on trt or bumping some test? Or you just helping young guys , i am so used to these guys push products .. i will repeat though it is sad that people out law things and make us look to grey market .. i mean test is so cheap the gains difference is crazy , the gov makes it so taboo , never saw a gym rat break into a house to scar a cc of tren. Guys just go to doc and get on a trt ..

You aren't going to run just 1 vial of test (add your ester)

Test e/c 30 per vial, need at least 3-4 10ml vials for a cycle.
90-120$ right there for a test only cycle nothing else, no ai, no kicker, no syringes, etc.

Don't try to front bs. You want to be learned you've come to the right place.

 

[Misfits88]

Interesting on the nolva and adex not working well together. I have no idea why that would be true and this is the first I heard that. What specifically is not supposed to work well? I can't imagine a reason why recovery, and or estro rebound might occur with that combination.

Nolvadex will significantly reduce the blood plasma levels of both Letrozole as well as Arimidex

 

[Canes325]

Nolvadex will significantly reduce the blood plasma levels of both Letrozole as well as Arimidex

I remember reading this too. It's what intially turned me on to exemestane.

 

[jbryand101b]

Nolvadex will significantly reduce the blood plasma levels of both Letrozole as well as Arimidex

Link to source?

 

[Canes325]

Link to source?

www .webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-4511/arimidex-oral/details/list-interaction-details/dmid-1170/dmtitle-anastrozole-letrozole-tamoxifen/intrtype-drug
References at the bottom, too damn tired to dig through em and find the exact study. Hopefully the info is there. Just remove the space after the 3rd w

 

[jbryand101b]

www .webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-4511/arimidex-oral/details/list-interaction-details/dmid-1170/dmtitle-anastrozole-letrozole-tamoxifen/intrtype-drug
References at the bottom, too damn tired to dig through em and find the exact study. Hopefully the info is there. Just remove the space after the 3rd w

www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-4511/arimidex-oral/details/list-interaction-details/dmid-1170/dmtitle-anastrozole-letrozole-tamoxifen/intrtype-drug

Thanks will check it out

 

[jbryand101b]

I'll read through those, but key word in the recommendations on web md, may.. It may cause the drugs to be metabolized in the liver more quickly, and this may lead to diminished effects...because it spends less time in the system.
Not sure how this would effect it's usages during pct, but if you have breast cancer, it "may" be cause for concern.

Anecdotally, I have best results combining my serm + ai. Though I usually use clomid an letrozole.

Def will make for interesting reading.

Thank you reps

 

[Misfits88]

article on isteroids.com under aromasin nolvadex pct

 

[jbryand101b]

Also, using liver support may also do the same thing to any compound you use. I don't recommend not using it.

 

[Jebrook]

Also, using liver support may also do the same thing to any compound you use. I don't recommend not using it.

Do you use liver support when cycling orals?

 

[gagandugan]

He's sneaky... he used a double negative: "I don't recommend not using it."

 

[jbryand101b]

Do you use liver support when cycling orals?

Depends on what I'm using.
If I'm running a low-moderate dose of a single compound, I try to go as long as I can without anything.


But regardless I always end up using tudca + support product near the end of a cycle, and all through pct

 

[Jebrook]

He's sneaky... he used a double negative: "I don't recommend not using it."

Lol. Missed that. Good catch. I was gonna say, i'm pretty sure he ran a TUDCA log a while back. Me confuse soo easily

 

[jbryand101b]

Lol. Missed that. Good catch. I was gonna say, i'm pretty sure he ran a TUDCA log a while back. Me confuse soo easily

Yea, but that kick start contained a stacked product,
Altered mass a stacked product consisting of
M14ad- 25mg
Menadione-20mg
Max lmg-40mg
Dzine-15mg
6bromo-25mg

Plus left overs:

M1t=7.5mg e/d
Di methyl phera: 10mg e/d
Epistane: 10mg e/d
Took one cap of each of these until gone, had about 5 days of Epi, an 10 of the m1t an dimethl phera

Tudca wasn't enough. Ended up using 2 bottles of cycle assist and another bottle of tudca to recover.
Actually still taking a cap of tudca an cycle assist eod.

This kick start made me swell up like a balloon. Even my shoes were too tight. It was like I had diabetes.

 

[MrKleen73]

Also, using liver support may also do the same thing to any compound you use. I don't recommend not using it.

It is my understanding that TUDCA does not operate via the same MOA, so it does not cause the breakdown degradation to methylated steroids that other liver support products do. Isn't the benefit of TUDCA clearing the bile ducts so you don't get the build up of toxins that causes a lot of the liver related damage on cycle?

Yea, but that kick start contained a stacked product,
Altered mass a stacked product consisting of
M14ad- 25mg
Menadione-20mg
Max lmg-40mg
Dzine-15mg
6bromo-25mg

Plus left overs:

M1t=7.5mg e/d
Di methyl phera: 10mg e/d
Epistane: 10mg e/d
Took one cap of each of these until gone, had about 5 days of Epi, an 10 of the m1t an dimethl phera

Tudca wasn't enough. Ended up using 2 bottles of cycle assist and another bottle of tudca to recover.
Actually still taking a cap of tudca an cycle assist eod.

This kick start made me swell up like a balloon. Even my shoes were too tight. It was like I had diabetes.

I bet, that is a beast stack with a few wet products too! How much did you gain during the kick start from that? I take 250mg of TUDCA daily now since on TRT just to keep liver values in check. Has kept them a little lower since I started that.