I dont think i mentioned this, but Its a good idea to give your body a break. I quit using reg pre workouts but I do 2 cycles a year of about 12 weeks of eca ( sometimes add y) and it seems i get ok results.
I do have some clen and thought about running one 40mcg clen per day and then 1 or two eca, I know i am not planning on doing much with clen as there are health issues