irone93
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Thats like saying you would see signs of heart disease in your 20's....
In your 20s you can get away with anything
Thats like saying you would see signs of heart disease in your 20's....
Believe it or not, my heart races and has more issues with high caff, than dmaa/dmha.I think its around 2 when we look at the general population.
I don't think anyone in this thread said coffee was unhealthy in moderation.....its mainly about the stacking of these stims and long term health.
DMAA and DHMA are bit more than 200mg of coffee..lol
I don't doubt it, which makes mixing them even more problematic for some.Believe it or not, my heart races and has more issues with high caff, than dmaa/dmha.
Why I like 200mg caff as the sweet spot for a pre workout.I don't doubt it, which makes mixing them even more problematic for some.
Compared to all the harmful toxins, recreational drugs, over medication, and hazardous chemicals we are exposed to, I don't feel that that pre-workouts will cause any long term harm or damage.
Don't really worry about long term effects.
Not going to lie. I like my DMAA but only use it 1-2times a month (if i have a makeup weekend workout). I workout in the evening and hardly use stims. I also drink coffee almost all day and don't need a stim pre.
Other stuff in coffee and not just the antioxidants.Coffee has large amounts of caffeine in it. What’s the huge difference ?
Even if you drink enough coffee to get the same caffeine content, you are still way better off than taking caffeine\pwo.Wouldn't say that large, compare to the 300+mg in most pre's.
Depends on the pre workout.Even if you drink enough coffee to get the same caffeine content, you are still way better off than taking caffeine\pwo.
190mg and its a normal large. Most don't buy the Venti....
Your average cup of coffee in the home is 90-150mg.
Honestly I don’t think caffeine is really the subject of this discussion really - it’s all the extra stimulants on top of caffeine, that kind of make you wonder. People have drank a lot of coffee for decades and it doesn’t usually affect them awfully. But nobody has been testing 30 years of DMAA usage for us.
Yes but the people that go to Starbucks are the minority....the extreme minority of coffee drinkers. Most people brew it themselves. Its like doing a general fitness study on bodybuilders. lolI see most people getting the grande - I go to Starbucks twice a day lol. I’m a venti drinker of even Trenta. But I feel like most people consume more caffeine than assume (especially the soda drinkers)
Yes but the people that go to Starbucks are the minority....the extreme minority of coffee drinkers. Most people brew it themselves. Its like doing a general fitness study on bodybuilders. lol
We are testing 30 years of dmaa usage![]()
Yes. Being a past lover of stims, I had too discontinue them all together. I now have much better workouts without stims and I feel they definitely cause damage to the brain and body in many ways - much of it due to brining undue stress and constiction to the overall system.
I don’t lift as heavy as I used to but stimulants prior to heavy squats or deadlifts used to make me a little nervous. You’re already taxing your system and added stimulation seems potentially problematic.
I know there is probably a point where the boost they give is helpful, but lifting heavy boosts the nervous system and adrenaline in its own right. A proper warm-up will provide energy even if it doesn’t come with a head rush, and there is less risk of overstimulation or cardiovascular problems.
To me personally, stimulants only make sense for endurance training and sports as aids to keep going after running out of energy.
That would depend on what level of performance you would like to function at!You would think so, but no, no it doesn't.
I wouldn’t take it daily... only take if you have low energy or need that boost for a certain body partWith the amount of stims being added together, do you worry about the long terms effects of "preworkouts"?
No, I haven’t had any adverse effects from any pre workouts yet & have been lifting for over 3 years. I do have a much better knowledge of what works & what doesn’t work for me though. There’s a **** ton of nasty tasting ineffective pre workouts around. I train after work & if it weren’t for a pre workout I probably wouldn’t even show up.With the amount of stims being added together, do you worry about the long terms effects of "preworkouts"?
No, I haven’t had any adverse effects from any pre workouts yet & have been lifting for over 3 years. I do have a much better knowledge of what works & what doesn’t work for me though. There’s a **** ton of nasty tasting ineffective pre workouts around. I train after work & if it weren’t for a pre workout I probably wouldn’t even show up.
That would depend on what level of performance you would like to function at!
Using stimulants at night to workout because you’re too tired to show up, is not sustainable or healthy on many fronts. Can I ask how old you are?
High cortisol in the evening for one being very bad. Stimulants interrupting the natural sleep cycle very bad.Why?![]()
High cortisol in the evening for one being very bad. Stimulants interrupting the natural sleep cycle very bad.
High cortisol in the evening for one being very bad. Stimulants interrupting the natural sleep cycle very bad.
Lol you better not workout or do anything that causes any stress on your body then. Cortisol = devil right?
Do you realize you are talking to one of the smart people we probably don’t get posting as much due to these specific kinds of interactions.![]()
Cortisol is a necessary hormone. Cortisol spikes at bed time is not wise.Lol you better not workout or do anything that causes any stress on your body then. Cortisol = devil right?
These posts are why we lose smart people on the board like spurfy
Cortisol is a necessary hormone. Cortisol spikes at bed time is not wise.
The irony in this post is of all people you choose to mention, he is a big advocate of utilizing Glucocorticoids around workouts..
You are absolutely right, it is a necessary hormone, evidence suggests that there is a correlation between acute responses to resistance to training and greater increases in lean mass. (Invalid Link Removed).
Cortisol isn't like insulin which has acute effects by binding to receptors on the cell surface eliciting immediate effects, it is more comparable to hormones like testosterone which operate at the DNA level as a transcription factor which binds to specific sequences of DNA to either increase or decrease their rate of transcription to mRNA. So people need to stop worrying about acute spikes in cortisol, because it likely isn't relevant in the scheme of things, its simply the body reacting to a stressor to get from "A to B".
Besides my comment in relation to this person training after work, using a pre-workout at 5pm for training doesn't translate into disrupted sleep? we don't know his tolerance? both of you are making blanket statements that may or may not be relevant to this person.
I also train in evenings and use stimulants every, single time. But i know what amounts my tolerance allows and still sleep like a baby despite the "unwise cortisol spike".
The irony in this post is of all people you choose to mention, he is a big advocate of utilizing Glucocorticoids around workouts..
You are absolutely right, it is a necessary hormone, evidence suggests that there is a correlation between acute responses to resistance to training and greater increases in lean mass. (Invalid Link Removed).
Cortisol isn't like insulin which has acute effects by binding to receptors on the cell surface eliciting immediate effects, it is more comparable to hormones like testosterone which operate at the DNA level as a transcription factor which binds to specific sequences of DNA to either increase or decrease their rate of transcription to mRNA. So people need to stop worrying about acute spikes in cortisol, because it likely isn't relevant in the scheme of things, its simply the body reacting to a stressor to get from "A to B".
Besides my comment in relation to this person training after work, using a pre-workout at 5pm for training doesn't translate into disrupted sleep? we don't know his tolerance? both of you are making blanket statements that may or may not be relevant to this person.
I also train in evenings and use stimulants every, single time. But i know what amounts my tolerance allows and still sleep like a baby despite the "unwise cortisol spike".
Isn’t the natural cortisol rhythm quite standard across populations with spike in the am and decreasing during the day, towards low levels at bedtime? In essence, I would be surprised but agreeable if the spike from late night workout + large stimulant load could drop back down to baseline and not disrupt circadian rhythm. Would love more perspective on this.
I get migraines from too much caffeine so look for preworkouts that contain alternative stims like higenamine, teacrine, theobromine, huperzine A, hordenine to name but a few.With the amount of stims being added together, do you worry about the long terms effects of "preworkouts"?
With the amount of stims being added together, do you worry about the long terms effects of "preworkouts"?