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What is EVCO? Is that coconut oil or a certain type of coconut oil?
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What is EVCO? Is that coconut oil or a certain type of coconut oil?
dinoiii
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counterspy
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First off, I want to thank the Dr. for providing all of this information and insight. This forum is why I decided to register after years of periodic lurking. That being said, I like what I've read and plan to make some adjustments to my supplement stash to better reflect some of these choices. My priority is general well-being, since I appear to have genetics that the longevity people crave and now I am embracing it. However, I'm still a slight-built, slightly fat man who looks like a kid, so the 2nd goal is to promote fat loss. Tertiary goal is brain/memory from nootropics.
Alright, so now I have some questions regarding a few things.
1) We've mentioned Fish Oils / Omega 3's. Can you elaborate on differences between your typical fish oil capsules, krill oil, and others? For example, I'm confused by krill oil and its supposed less is more when compared to fish oil. Its EPA/DHA is much, much less, but claimed to be more readily absorbed and/or effective. Currently, I take 1 gram of Now KO, but still use a regular fish oil. At the very least, it has a little astaxanthin but I found some suppliers that provide that in 10mg softgels.
2) I saw mention of lecithin, and naturally, phosphatidylcholine. I am turned on by choline because of purported benefits to mind and fat loss. For those pursuits, which form(s) are best? Lecithin, choline citrate, choline bitartrate, phosphatidyl choline, or other?
3) Quercetin, bromelain, bioperine, naringin. I have a curcumin supp that bundles bioperine, but I am curious if any of the other compounds here help (or hinder) absorption of things like curcumin, Ursobolic, or things on your top-10 list.
4) What are your thoughts on Holy Basil, considering my goals?
Thank you in advance for any inputs you can provide, doc. I also hope I'm not making too big of a splash and making too many demands. If you're back in the Baltimore area anytime soon I'd be happy to get you a brew or drink.
Alright, so now I have some questions regarding a few things.
1) We've mentioned Fish Oils / Omega 3's. Can you elaborate on differences between your typical fish oil capsules, krill oil, and others? For example, I'm confused by krill oil and its supposed less is more when compared to fish oil. Its EPA/DHA is much, much less, but claimed to be more readily absorbed and/or effective. Currently, I take 1 gram of Now KO, but still use a regular fish oil. At the very least, it has a little astaxanthin but I found some suppliers that provide that in 10mg softgels.
2) I saw mention of lecithin, and naturally, phosphatidylcholine. I am turned on by choline because of purported benefits to mind and fat loss. For those pursuits, which form(s) are best? Lecithin, choline citrate, choline bitartrate, phosphatidyl choline, or other?
3) Quercetin, bromelain, bioperine, naringin. I have a curcumin supp that bundles bioperine, but I am curious if any of the other compounds here help (or hinder) absorption of things like curcumin, Ursobolic, or things on your top-10 list.
4) What are your thoughts on Holy Basil, considering my goals?
Thank you in advance for any inputs you can provide, doc. I also hope I'm not making too big of a splash and making too many demands. If you're back in the Baltimore area anytime soon I'd be happy to get you a brew or drink.
ka0tik
Member
Hey doc, the thread inspired me to make an order for single ingredients and ditch the multivitamins. I eat fairly healthy, mostly organic or free range. Lots of protein, fruits, and vegetables. The only unhealthy part is that prolly once or twice a week I get fast food. Wondering what you think of my schedule and if you would make any tweaks.
morning/before breakfast:
b-complex
vitamin c
Omega 3, 6, 9 fish oil
creatine
coffee/tea
lunch
n/a
pre workout:
creatine
beta alanine 5g
arginine akg 5g
caffeine (generally coffee or tea if energy is needed, sometimes a supp)
post workout:
creatine
protein
co q10 200mg
CLA/EFA/chromium picolinate (all-in-one)
dinner
n/a
before bed:
ZMA
Selenium (200mcg)
NAC (NOW brand has Molybedum 50mcg, Selenium 25mcg, and 600mg of NAC)
melatonin (if needed)
I also have Calcium and Iron as a standalone but dont really ever use it because I think that I get enough from my diet.
Formula X is on my next order which includes carnitine, leucine, and DAA. Any other recommendations? Dont really see the point of curcumin given that I am 22 and healthy. I am also interested in your thoughts on glutamine. I have used it in the past and thought it worked well post workout in the beginning however once I started taking it everyday, I felt like I was experiencing a tolerance to it. Not to mention, people arent really recommending glutamine as much as they used to.
morning/before breakfast:
b-complex
vitamin c
Omega 3, 6, 9 fish oil
creatine
coffee/tea
lunch
n/a
pre workout:
creatine
beta alanine 5g
arginine akg 5g
caffeine (generally coffee or tea if energy is needed, sometimes a supp)
post workout:
creatine
protein
co q10 200mg
CLA/EFA/chromium picolinate (all-in-one)
dinner
n/a
before bed:
ZMA
Selenium (200mcg)
NAC (NOW brand has Molybedum 50mcg, Selenium 25mcg, and 600mg of NAC)
melatonin (if needed)
I also have Calcium and Iron as a standalone but dont really ever use it because I think that I get enough from my diet.
Formula X is on my next order which includes carnitine, leucine, and DAA. Any other recommendations? Dont really see the point of curcumin given that I am 22 and healthy. I am also interested in your thoughts on glutamine. I have used it in the past and thought it worked well post workout in the beginning however once I started taking it everyday, I felt like I was experiencing a tolerance to it. Not to mention, people arent really recommending glutamine as much as they used to.
dunhill225
Member
Unless I have misses some new research hasn't DAA only shown any effects on hormone levels in those with low hormone levels? And zero effect on those with normal levels? It COULD have some value in pct I suppose but I wouldn't use it even for that till there is more science behind it.
DaveGabe24
Well-known member
Notsureifsrs
ka0tik
Member
havent seen this, but very interested since I have never used a truly anabolic agent and am thinking about getting some DAA
dinoiii
Featured Author
A quote from the highly-cited Italian study...
"The experiment using human subjects was carried out on two groups of healthy male volunteers aged between 27 and 37 years at the IVF (in vitro fertilization) Unit, Hospital "S. Luca", Vallo della Lucania, Italy."
We merely know that the volunteers were healthy in this study which would imply NO hypogonadism; however, individual numbers were not published, so I would say the answer to your questions is an emphatic "no" from what we know...but as I said...without the individual numbers, we know that there was an 83% response rate in those receiving it to the p value set (which was MUCH more significant than ANY supplement I have EVER seen in literature form; 20 years in the industry...I hope that says a lot).
What we do know is the average serum increases (in ng/ml)...
Baseline: DAA group: 4.5 +/- 0.6 ///// Placebo group: 4.6 +/- 0.5
s/p 6 days: DAA group: 5.2 +/- 0.7 ///// Placebo group: 4.5 +/- 0.7
s/p 12 days: DAA group: 6.4 +/- 0.8 ///// Placebo group: 4.7 +/- 0.7
s/p 3 days of cessation: DAA group: 5.8 +/- 0.6 ///// Placebo group: 4.6 +/- 0.7
this shows an increase compared to placebo (for standardized participants hovering around mid-range testo levels).
Incidentally, the product is used as a fertility aid, so despite no hypogonadal participants in this study, I would presume it to have similar if not BETTER effect in hypogonadal populace provided no anatomic/physiologic disconnect.
Full study for those that want to read in depth and have yet to...
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Hope this helps you discern why people are excited about the ingredient.
D_
dinoiii
Featured Author
Subject for a whole debate in and of itself...what kind of "tea" are we talking about?
Am indifferent to the arginine; don't think you're going to get a lot from it per se....L-carnitine would be much more efficient at "pump" effect and/or whatever else you might be using it for coupled with beta-alanine. I like my clients to use upwards of 2 grams of niacin pre-workout too to get a good GH-boost, if that's what you're looking for (unsure).
Again, tea as noted above...
I don't know that pre- and post- creatine is "necessary" per se and I think you could save some money if you wanted to by chosing either or. CoQ10...I dose this weight-dependent and ubiquinone vs. ubiquinol dependent.
CLA/EFA/Chromium is an interesting combo - rationale? Too many fatty acids post-workout doesn't agree with everyone, but if you feel this has done you well; go for it.
Why the hell do they have Molybdenum in there?
NAC (600mg) + Selenium (200mcg) = More test
ZMA (if deficient in zinc) = More test
Molybdenum = ? Less test
ergo-log's interpretation of a recent study:
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Are you a vegetarian of some sort? If not, you're likely not iron-deficient if you're a male.
Calcium, I am plus/minus on. What kind of dairy intake do you have (or calcium in protein supplements)?
glutamine is tough; there's a glutamine cycle that needs to be accounted for within the liver which could make for an interesting discussion on ergogenesis (NOT the way most people take it; you'd need many doses through a 24-hour period for significant success)...plus, a great deal of oral L-glutamine ingested is taken up by the gut wall (bloats many too). Some still swear by it and it's included in many BCAA products; but I think it's cumbersome when taken in a quantity needed to be successful.
D_
dinoiii
Featured Author
Oxidation comes with ingestion of EVERY particle of food.
Too much Vitamin C in the acute setting can be just as pro-oxidative as using none at all (or worse).
That said, 500mg with every meal (pre- and post-workout may be notable exceptions) - even if that means you are eating 6 meals a day (outside of the workout)...that'd be 3 grams per day to accomodate the increased metabolic demand.
D_
southpaw23
Well-known member
I was under the impression (based on forum posts) that in order for Leucine to work it's magic, it needed the other two BCAA's?
Torobestia
Well-known member
It does, sort of, but I think the growing consensus is that you get enough in the diet to make up for it. Or rather, that you can use the leucine to spike levels to activate mTOR, and any coinciding consumption of val/ile will be compensated by dietary intake. Am I wrong here, anyone?
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
Check the BCAA thread in this forum
My opinion is yes isoleucine and valine have to be present in free form for supplemental leucine to be effective but the research on it really isnt conclusive yet.
dinoiii
Featured Author
Agree - much discussion here:
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D_
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
Yup! I actually forgot about that thread. About to go back and re-read through it
dinoiii
Featured Author
Thank you for the kind words. I hope this forum hasn't disappointed.
Sounds like you have some realistic goals for supplements.
There has been much noise made lately about the benefits of Krill oil, and many people have started taking Krill oil capsules as a result. It is said that Krill oil contains more beneficial components, and as a result there has been a bit of a Krill oil versus fish oil debate. So should you be taking Krill oil or fish oil?
Perhaps we should begin by discussing exactly what Krill oil is. Krill are tiny shrimplike creatures that live in the colder areas of our oceans. Whales eat them by the ton, and they also make up a part of the diet of humans, mainly the Japanese and Russians.
Lets say at the start that the important Omega 3 essential fatty acids are DHA and EPA. Both Krill and fish oil are a source of these important Omega-3 fats.
So if both oils contain both EPA and DHA how do you choose one or the other?
1. Compare The Cost Of The DHA That You Are Getting.
It is generally considered that DHA is more important to your health than EPA, though EPA is certainly important as well. Around 60% of your brain is fat, and DHA is the most prevalent, and adding DHA and EPA to your diet promotes a range of health benefits including benefits to your mental function as well as reducing the risk of death from heart disease, helping your cholesterol levels and helping you reduce weight, and much more.
When you’re buying Omega 3 oil supplements you are primarily buying DHA. So one of the most important parts of comparing the different oil capsules is to assess the cost of the DHA that you’re buying. This is simply a matter of making a mathematical calculation of the amount of DHA in each capsule as a proportion of the price.
If you make a comparison of Krill oil compared to fish oil capsules you’ll find that the DHA that you’re buying in Krill oil softgels is significantly more expensive than the DHA you are buying in fish oil supplements. In fact it is over 5 times more expensive to buy DHA in Krill oil form that it is as fish oil.
Krill oil is very low in DHA, the most important of the Omega 3 fats - for specific age groups.
2. The Level Of Toxic Contamination In Each.
One of the perceived differences between fish oil and Krill oil is that the latter is less contaminated than the former. This however is not necessarily the case.
Airborne contamination can affect all parts of the globe. Scientists have found man-made pollution even in the North Atlantic and the Antarctic, including in creatures which inhabit the Antarctic such as penguins. Airborne pollution is found everywhere.
Establishing the cleanliness of the supplements that you buy is essential. Nowadays, sad to say, all forms of Omega 3 oils are likely to demonstrate some degree of contamination. The days are gone when it is possible to source marine oils high in DHA and EPA that are completely contamination free. This includes Krill oil.
However it’s quite possible to buy completely clean fish oil supplements. This is not because they are totally clean to begin with but it is because they have undergone rigorous decontamination processes, and the results have been checked by laboratory analysis. Before buying any Omega 3 supplements you should always check the certificate of analysis of the oil, which should always be made available to the public on the website.
Many people are unaware that Krill oil undergoes no decontamination process. It is therefore untrue to say that Krill oil is free from contamination.
3. Scientific Evidence Showing The Effectiveness Of The Supplements.
There have been literally thousands of studies which have demonstrated the effectiveness of the DHA and EPA Omega 3 fats in improving your health. However although there are claims by the manufacturers that Krill oil is tremendously effective in improving your health there are very few, if any, independent scientific studies that show that Krill oil is any better to your health compared to fish oil. The benefits of the Omega 3 fats in one will be the same benefits as found in the same quantity of Omega3 fats in the other.
Most of the studies that do exist are in fact financed by people with a financial interest in selling Krill oil. One Canadian company owns the patent on Krill oil and finances the studies, of which there are very few.
4. The Presence Of Astaxanthin In Krill Oil.
It is said that Astaxanthin is a powerful antioxidant with significant health benefits, and that Astaxanthin is found in Krill. Whilst this is true it is also true that some high quality fish oil supplements contain Astaxanthin at a significantly higher proportion that is found in Krill oil.
The anti-oxidant potency of Krill oil is in fact lower than that of the best fish oil supplements.
5. The DHA And EPA Are Attached To Phospholipids.
This is one more reason why it is claimed that Krill oil is more potent than fish oil. Without going into all of the scientific mumbo-jumbo about what this means, the bottom line is that there is no scientific evidence that this does anything at all, and there is no more evidence that the phospholipid structure in Krill oil offers any health benefits.
Ultimately Krill oil is about marketing. The health benefits of Omega 3 supplementation are established by many many scientific studies, and the benefit of fish oil to your health is recognized by such eminent authorities as the American Heart Association.
However, whilst Krill oil supplements are cleverly marketed, there is no independent scientific evidence to suggest that they are any more beneficial to your health than high quality Omega 3 fish oil supplements, they are dramatically more expensive for the same amount of active ingredient, and because they are not subject to any decontamination process the contamination level of Krill oil supplements may be extremely high. Nobody knows.
So if you’re convinced of the health benefits of DHA and EPA supplementation, and if you’ve been wondering about fish oil vs Krill oil debate, then rest assured that buying fish oil supplements will be cheaper, safer, and better for your health.
D_
dinoiii
Featured Author
I prefer CDP-Choline and/or alpha-GPC if trying to discern based on neurologic and/or performance/body comp standpoint.
Well, ursolic acid is not on my "top 10" list, BUT minerals all act upon one another and could certainly impact serum concentrations, so selenium and magnesium are possibly an issue. The other bigger macro-molecules (aminos or dipeptides - like creatine, beta-alanine, leucine, carnitine) are usually not an issue in the absorption dept. CoQ10 is probably better absorbed in its alcohol form (ubiquinol), but doubling up would take care of this if using ubiquinone; also...a compound called limoned is championed in the life extension camps and LEF does put out a supplement with this item if interested.
I think Holy Basil holds a lot of ergogenic possibility in the testosterone and body comp offering alone.
Oh gosh, I travel quite a bit...but anytime I am traveling I usually let the forums know where I am going as best as I am able -or- on Facebook if you follow my company on there. I'd be happy to meet up with anyone interested if I am in your area or if anyone comes to my predominate address (Columbus, OH) say for the Arnold...let me know...I could arrange to meet up.
D_
ka0tik
Member
Either green or black tea (generally English Breakfast, Earl Grey, or Irish Breakfast). Usually two tea bags per 8oz mug to try and double up on caffeine and make it comparable in strength to a cup of coffee. All of the tea is generally organic and fair trade (despite the scandal).
Ill continue using arginine pre-workout until I run out, but after that I wont buy any more. However, I did notice a pump effect on high doses of arginine (10-15g), but it also seemed that my calves were more prone to cramping during a run. On a normal 5g dose I stopped seeing results....
My next order will include ALCAR. I plan on using it pre-workout or midday on non workout days.
Another planned item was going to be citruline malate, what do you think about adding it pre-workout?
I am under the impression that beta-alanine and citruline malate are only really beneficial on workout days, do you think its worth it to take beta-alanine and/or citruline malate on non-workout days?
2 grams of niacin!? is it flush free? Because I have 500mg time release caps of niacin that give me a light flush, but I would be in severe pain if I took 2grams. I was also under the impression that normal niacin is more potent than flush free, due to the flush cleaning out your system. Doesnt niacin also increase the effectiveness of beta-alanine?
I cut the creatine serving in half, half pre half post. In the morning I also only take half a serving. On non workout days, I take 1 serving split in a morning and evening dose. I have noticed that I am extremely prone to the creatine bloat and do not see the point of taking large doses of creatine unless it is on a very consistent basis. On a side note, I like to drink a bit on the weekend and I dont like drinking while on a large dose of creatine, so on the weekends I will many times cut the dose down even further. I also go 3-4 weeks on creatine one week off.
As far as coq10's weight dependent dose, do you have a mg per lb ratio? I avg 180lbs.
EFA and Chromium have never given me any problems post workout or not. CLA in general can be hard on my stomach at first but by the third day my stomach has adapted (I notice the same thing with creatine). You dont really directly see a result from these 3. My rationale was that you should get as many key building blocks as you can, hence the EFA along with the protein. The CLA is the fat that helps fat loss the most so, post workout would be the best absorption. And chromium as an insulin mimicking agent.
I plan on purchasing R-ALA in my next order as well. I think I will take it post workout due to its effect on insulin unless you recommend a different time or more times a day.
Well, I certainly wont be purchasing that version of NAC ever again. Although the article mentioned testosterone being lowered most significantly in those with low Zinc levels. So ZMA would hopefully stop any issues there. Another interesting item about that product, is on further research, too much Molybdenum can block copper absorption which can cause a whole myriad of problems including anemia... and we get plenty in our every day diet---> just goes to show the importance of checking all the ingredients, wow horrible product, too bad I bought a 250 day supply...
Nope, I can barely go a meal without meat. Mostly chicken, beef, and turkey. Some pork and fish.
My neighbor was a jacked MMA fighter and he told me to get Iron, Calcium, and Magnesium. He said Iron increased hemoglobin and more blood = more muscle. Calcium for strong bones. And I forget what he said about Magnesium. Anyways, I got all three supps. Took them for a few days, and then didnt really see the point. Iron also caused a certain level of constipation.
Calcium is in my protein powder (it says 50% daily dose). My shake is half milk, half water. Although I do not drink a shake on non workout days or if I eat a full meal right after my workout.
I eat an individual serving of greek yogurt probably five times a week (I also have an acidophilus supplement but dont take it because it makes me flatulant).
I eat cheese everyday. Cant go without it. Every type of cheese. Although it is generally american cheese. I know its processed, but I love it.
Broccoli probably 3-4 times a week. Although I try to eat some type of greens twice a day.
The glutamine bloat explains a lot... Never heard of that before.
Would you recommend that all these supplements, with the exception of preworkouts and creatine to be daily? should any of them be cycled? I usually try to take 2-3 weeks off of everything every 3 months or so to keep my body from adapting and relying on them.
Also are any of the items I am taking/planning on taking work better twice a day as opposed to once a day. The only items I am taking twice a day is EFA, vit C, and creatine. It can just be a pain taking so much during the day, not to mention the strain on your wallet.
Hypothetically, if you catch a cold or the flu, would you stop any of these supplements? or would you just treat it as a non-workout day? I assume you might increase Vit C and get Zinc cough drops. Would you still disagree with adding in echinacea for during the cold only?
My goal is health and longevity above all. Secondarily, a 6 month goal of losing 4-6% bodyfat and gaining 2-4lbs of muscle. I can generally gain muscle fairly easily with creatine alone, however losing bodyfat % is a different story.
Thank you so much for all of your help. And next time you are in SoCal I would love to buy you a drink. I am in orange county. LA and San Diego are both easy drives for me.
-Marc
monstermash
Well-known member
Curious to know if Idebenone is the best overall form of CoQ10 (I've read somewhere it can't flip to a pro-oxidant? and how much would you recommend for a 250-225lb athlete.
counterspy
Member
Thanks again, Doc, for addressing all of my inquiries. I'll definitely be switching my choline sources, probably after I go and get my Bod Pod reading next week. I'm also glad that I bought a good amount of Ubiquinol not too long ago. This forum has definitely been enlightening.
Cocaine4PWO
Banned
1. Is eating 3 raw brazil nuts a day enough Selenium ? Nuts are not shelled.
2. For Curcumin, can you recommend a supplement? I was looking in to Vitacost's Turmeric Extract Curcumin C3 Complex with Bioperine..
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 2 Capsules
Servings per Container: 60
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[TD="class: ifNcol"]Turmeric Extract (Curcuma longa)
(standardized to 95% curcuminoids)(rhizome) Curcumin C3 Complex®[/TD]
[TD="class: ifAcol"]1160 mg[/TD]
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[TD="class: ifNcol"] Curcuminoids[/TD]
[TD="class: ifAcol"]1100 mg[/TD]
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[TD="class: ifNcol"]Black Pepper Extract (piper nigrum)
(standardized to 95% peperine)(fruit) Bioperine®[/TD]
[TD="class: ifAcol"]5 mg[/TD]
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*Daily value not established.
Thoughts?
3. I take 250mg (as magnesium oxide) a day, so I up it or that's enough?
Thanks again, doc
counterspy
Member
FWIW - they have a different product that contains 900mg extract + 5mg Bioperine per single capsule serving: NSI 3005024. Also worth checking is Doctor's Best: DOC 0001954. I've already gone through the same one that you've looked at, so when it was time to get more, I ended up getting the Doctor's Best variant. It also pays to check online for coupons, because these start to get pricey.
Cocaine4PWO
Banned
thanks a lot! ill look into it
KerplunkDS
New member
Dana,
Curious as to which mineral product you have been recommending since CMZ is no longer available.
Curious as to which mineral product you have been recommending since CMZ is no longer available.
psimonkey
New member
monstermash
Well-known member
Thanks, I'm going to read up on it today. Is this available for purchase or is it a research chem?
mr.cooper69
Legend
Assuming an imperfect diet such as my own, and in no particular order:
1. Fish Oil
2. D3
3. MCC
4. Beta-alanine
5. Caffeine (stimulants are exceptionally useful)
6. Green Tea Extract + vit. C (yes weak evidence for estrogenic effects, yes poor oral bioavailability...and yes, fantastic antioxidant effects that positively affect a number of growing health concerns)
7. Curcumin (EXTREMELY anti-carcinogenic. low oral bioavailability means higher doses, piperine, etc)
8. Cissus Quadrangularis (overall health benefits + joint/connective tissue support)
9. ALCAR + choline source (obviously cycle off, but the benefits are profound, especially when stacked with #10)
10. Na-R-ALA (antioxidant, GDA, I can go on...)
1. Fish Oil
2. D3
3. MCC
4. Beta-alanine
5. Caffeine (stimulants are exceptionally useful)
6. Green Tea Extract + vit. C (yes weak evidence for estrogenic effects, yes poor oral bioavailability...and yes, fantastic antioxidant effects that positively affect a number of growing health concerns)
7. Curcumin (EXTREMELY anti-carcinogenic. low oral bioavailability means higher doses, piperine, etc)
8. Cissus Quadrangularis (overall health benefits + joint/connective tissue support)
9. ALCAR + choline source (obviously cycle off, but the benefits are profound, especially when stacked with #10)
10. Na-R-ALA (antioxidant, GDA, I can go on...)
mr.cooper69
Legend
Correct, Vitamin D3. MCC = Magnesium Creatine Chelate.
PuZo
Well-known member
What is your dosage for curcumin and cissus?
mr.cooper69
Legend
I personally don't use curcumin (I don't buy very many supplements), but it would have to be very high due to the bioavailability (unless you are fine with only your gut getting all the curcumin benefits lol). Cissus is great at 2-4g daily. I personally use USPlabs supercissus at 3.2g daily.
PuZo
Well-known member
So for the cissus, that's 4 pills then right? I'm taking them all at once.
As far as the curcumin goes, I'm using Life Extension Super Bio-Curcumin. I'm guessing at 400mg per cap, the appropriate dosing range would be around 2g?
Powercage
Board Sponsor
Im rocking upwards of 2g Super Bio Curc from LEF
MidwestBeast
Legend
Great idea, Doc!
PuZo
Well-known member
So that's 5/day? How do you space it?
Simon Keller
New member
Definetly looking forward to this...