Tongkat Ali LJ100

[QuarkStar]

Alphamax XT apparently has 200:1 extract at 300mg (LJ100 600mg basically). So whoever has tested 600+ mg LJ100, anyone care to try this stuff out when its out? Haha.

I don't trust those 200:1 extract. i was reading that are almost all fake, because no standardization exists.

 

[ma70]

I don't trust those 200:1 extract. i was reading that are almost all fake, because no standardization exists.

Which is why I'm asking if someone who has experience with 600+mg to be the lab rat, haha. I normally volunteer to do this stuff, but I have no TA experience (but I will in a month or two)

 

[QuarkStar]

Nice!
This is also same with many other ingredients too like PA as example. The "recommended" dose was ok but taking higher dose was MUCH better

Hey what is that PA?

 

[ma70]

Hey what is that PA?

Phosphatidic Acid.

 

[QuarkStar]

Phosphatidic Acid.

thanks. It's related to Phosphatidylserine??

 

[ma70]

thanks. It's related to Phosphatidylserine??

Nope. It can be found in the standalone supplements (Phosphamuscle, Micro-PA to name some) or in Soy Lecithin Granules. Check it out!

 

[Danes]

thanks. It's related to Phosphatidylserine??

PS is a phospholipid like PA,PC,PI,PE.
PS is a good stuff and it has anabolic effect like PA but I would rather use PS for cortisol controll and brain "boost"

 

[QuarkStar]

PS is a phospholipid like PA,PC,PI,PE.
PS is a good stuff and it has anabolic effect like PA but I would rather use PS for cortisol controll and brain "boost"

I like PS. Fantastic for me pre workout, keeps my heart beat very calm after exercise

 

[Danes]

I like PS. Fantastic for me pre workout, keeps my heart beat very calm after exercise

PS is good stuff for sure

 

[The_Old_Guy]

TAF273 can be found on PubMed in a few studies. Did very well in the areas of AI and Cancer research IIRC. I brought it up a while ago in an LJ100 .vs Powder City 2% discussion.

 

[Danes]

TAF273 can be found on PubMed in a few studies. Did very well in the areas of AI and Cancer research IIRC. I brought it up a while ago in an LJ100 .vs Powder City 2% discussion.

yes, but I found no Place I could buy from

 

[Cjg]

How much Phosphatidylserine is needed daily to benefit the anabolic effects?

 

[Danes]

How much Phosphatidylserine is needed daily to benefit the anabolic effects?

PS is very similar to PA when it comes to anabolic effect but I personaly would rather go for PA. I am not sure how good it would be taking 2-4g of PS on cortisol etc.
Take PA instead

 

[kboxer7]

Hey what is that PA?

Check out OL Tr1umph. PA and 10 other ergogenics. Tastes like heaven as well.

There's also straight soy lecithin (Fearns), or supps with Mediator (patented PA).

 

[kboxer7]

How much Phosphatidylserine is needed daily to benefit the anabolic effects?

Phosphatidylserine resulted in a 457-588% increase in mTOR

PA resulted in a 679-957% increase in mTOR

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4044129/

So to get the same effects as the 750mg PA used in the most cited study you would need about 1100mg of phosphatidylserene.

 

[QuarkStar]

TAF273 can be found on PubMed in a few studies. Did very well in the areas of AI and Cancer research IIRC. I brought it up a while ago in an LJ100 .vs Powder City 2% discussion.

No studies on testosterone??

 

[QuarkStar]

PS is very similar to PA when it comes to anabolic effect but I personaly would rather go for PA. I am not sure how good it would be taking 2-4g of PS on cortisol etc.
Take PA instead

Has PA the same effect on cortisol PS have? (for brain,mood etc)

 

[Danes]

Has PA the same effect on cortisol PS have? (for brain,mood etc)

There is no studes showing PA to be like PS when it comes to "brain health".

 

[Lyon806]

Started the OL LJ100 today, will increase to 2 caps tomorrow and 3 the next day. Hope it's as good as everyone states!

 

[kboxer7]

Started the OL LJ100 today, will increase to 2 caps tomorrow and 3 the next day. Hope it's as good as everyone states!

Nice!

Let us know how it goes man. Also try spacing the caps out over the day (AM/Afternoon/early evening).

 

[The_Old_Guy]

No studies on testosterone??

No idea, you can look. I'm not all into these plants for raising T.

 

[QuarkStar]

No idea, you can look. I'm not all into these plants for raising T.

Looked, found nothing

 

[ws65]

Honestly, I do mean the same !
LJ100 works and it is NO doubt about that. Rather buying LJ100 (which is patented TA extract/quality 100:1) than buying TA sold around on different sites claiming to be pure 200:1 extract which is nothing than maybe cheap tribulus raw or horrible TA extract.
Personaly, I dont believe there is anything called EuryPeptides. It is just made up and there are 4 scientists who confirmed that. Its just a marketing trick to make HP Ingredient TA sounds more interessting and special.
Even Dr.Tambi was no sure in Eurypeptides. He and other scientists said they Believe Quassinoids such as eurycomanone,13α,21-dihydroeurycomanone and 13α(21)-epoxyeurycomanone are responsible for Testosterone increasing effect, Estrogen decreasing effect, SHBG decreasing effect ++++.
There is an extract called TAF 273 which is an extract enriched for 3 quassinoids like I mentioned. But I cant find it anywhere to buy.
In theory and technicaly a real 200:1 extract has 2x potency as LJ100 (which is an 100:1). It means you need to take 300mg of 200:1 to get same effect of 600mg of 100:1 (LJ100).

Like I said, rather spend money on a good 100:1 extract such as LJ100 than throwing money on garbage extracts claiming to be 200:1

So does this mean you now feel badly about the Tonvara 200:1 TA and that it's no good?

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

90% of 200:1 extracts say authentic tongkat Ali is the only place to really get the real **** so I just dropped $120 on 200:1 TKA 600mg caps and 100 caps, pricey but tons of people say they're legit and it's worth the money if it AIDS my pct

 

[The Whizard]

Danes

What are your thoughts on Alpha Max XT claiming a 200:1 TA? Legit?

 

[Stabsy]

So does this mean you now feel badly about the Tonvara 200:1 TA and that it's no good?

I am interested in this also. Just dropped the cash for 120 caps of the Tonvara.

 

[Danes]

So does this mean you now feel badly about the Tonvara 200:1 TA and that it's no good?

Tonvara TA is real deal. I have seen COA and Tonvara owner is VERY picky guy!

 

[Danes]

Danes

What are your thoughts on Alpha Max XT claiming a 200:1 TA? Legit?

If they can show me COA and 3rd lab testing then I will believe them. Or sending me a bottle to test it.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

I wouldn't worry about Tonvara - it definitely does *something*. I had some oily skin signs with Tonvara (I think Danes told me 2 caps/day then 3 caps/day) - most notably chest acne. Nothing like what happens to me with a SERM obviously (chest, scalp, and back acne), but it's doing something.

Note: I still will not be a re-purchaser however, as I wasn't hornier, stronger, leaner, or better feeling than usual. Maybe if I was 300ng/dl, but mid-normal or higher = meh.

 

[Danes]

I wouldn't worry about Tonvara - it definitely does *something*. I had some oily skin signs with Tonvara (I think Danes told me 2 caps/day then 3 caps/day) - most notably chest acne. Nothing like what happens to me with a SERM obviously (chest, scalp, and back acne), but it's doing something.

Note: I still will not be a re-purchaser however, as I wasn't hornier, stronger, leaner, or better feeling than usual. Maybe if I was 300ng/dl, but mid-normal or higher = meh.

I really appreciate your honesty and we need more people like you buddy !
I think you have good T levels and as I can see on your avatar Picture, you are an healthy and fit guy! .
I would like to see you on lets say 800mg LJ100 . Just to see the "difference"

 

[Cjg]

Is there any prolactin issues with lj100?

 

[Danes]

Is there any prolactin issues with lj100?

Not at all!

 

[The_Old_Guy]

I really appreciate your honesty and we need more people like you buddy !
I think you have good T levels and as I can see on your avatar Picture, you are an healthy and fit guy! .
I would like to see you on lets say 800mg LJ100 . Just to see the "difference"

Yeah, 8 weeks post PCT, after the SERMs clear, I think I'm going to privatemdlabs myself - I really shouldn't feel this good approaching 50

 

[Cjg]

What's the best way to take lj100 at 400mgs? 2am 2pm? Or 1/1/1/1

 

[dukes3577]

Personally I like 1/1/1/1, when I dosed two I got a little anxious. Will try again in the future just to make sure It wasn't just coincidence.

 

[Cjg]

About what time of day is your last dose?

 

[dukes3577]

Post workout usually around 9pm, never know what mood the wife will be in. Best to be READY!

 

[Justlooking5]

Great thread. Danes did you get bloodwork yet or did I miss the post?

Going to run LJ 100 bulk powder for the next 5 weeks at 800mg/day. I can already perceive a boost in mood and some boost in libido. Anyone have any joint issues?

 

[dukes3577]

None but I have been on NeoCell Hyaluronic Acid Blueberry Liquid for over a year.

 

[Cjg]

Taking it with an estrogen blocker? Or no?

 

[Justlooking5]

None but I have been on NeoCell Hyaluronic Acid Blueberry Liquid for over a year.

Cool I take 300mg HA per day.

 

[dukes3577]

OL ELIM1NATE 25mg 2/day

 

[Justlooking5]

So I have a hypothetical question.

If TA works by lowering estrogen and reducing SHBG, why would it not theoretically be effective to some degree in restoring HPTA function in hypogonadal men similar to the way other AIs are (e.g., arimidex, nolvadex), AFTER you stop using it (as in PCT)?

 

[ws65]

Danes, I was merely asking because of the comments you made about 200:1. Btw, I did by the max amount of Tonvara TA like you suggested to me along with the HGW...been on 2 caps for a few weeks and will up it to 3 very soon...so far so good and it IS (Tonvara) legit for anyone who is wondering.

 

[horizons]

I haven't noticed any hair loss with LJ100 but is that something to be concerned about?

I don't think it would increase test so much it would sky rocket DHT levels but could be wrong

 

[Joshlm69]

I never found Tongkat Ali to be "amazing". I tried Viron, LJ100 and others and while it did increase libido and a little bit of free test, it wasn't massively noticeable.

If Danes is recommending Tonvara as the best one, I would just go with that, hes the Tongkat King. But if you guys are after libido boost, I would say Yohimbine is far superior

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

So after spending $120 on authentic tongkat Ali website extract straight from Sumatra Pasak Bumi 200:1 extract. I received it within 3 days and I dosed 1 pill the second I got it and went to my girls house. I got an erection that would not go away for almost 3 hours and I instantly had tons of energy after a 6 hour plane flight, so based off of instant libido and energy boost I'll say there's SOMETHING effective in there, can't jump to conclusions. But I feel even though it's pricey, it could be the real deal.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

So I have a hypothetical question.

If TA works by lowering estrogen and reducing SHBG, why would it not theoretically be effective to some degree in restoring HPTA function in hypogonadal men similar to the way other AIs are (e.g., arimidex, nolvadex), AFTER you stop using it (as in PCT)?

You have your compounds confused: The only AI you mentioned, is Arimadex, and it does nothing to restore the HPTA. The Nolva you mentioned is a SERM, and will help restore HPTA function. The difference between TA/LJ and a SERM, is that the SERM is a pharmaceutical drug that will bring your Testosterone levels to the top of the physiological range (1100ng/dl). The couple hundred (few hundred if you want to be generous) points that TA may raise your Testosterone is nothing when you are suppressed in PCT and want to recover as fast as possible to feel better and keep any LBM you added during cycle.

If you use TA/LJ at all, it is best (IMO) for true Natty's, or for off cycle breaks after PCT. During PCT, I *want* SHBG binding Estrogen.

 

[Joshlm69]

So after spending $120 on authentic tongkat Ali website extract straight from Sumatra Pasak Bumi 200:1 extract. I received it within 3 days and I dosed 1 pill the second I got it and went to my girls house. I got an erection that would not go away for almost 3 hours and I instantly had tons of energy after a 6 hour plane flight, so based off of instant libido and energy boost I'll say there's SOMETHING effective in there, can't jump to conclusions. But I feel even though it's pricey, it could be the real deal.

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