i need one for my cutting cycle. i noticed that t2 pro is using 3;5-diiodo-L-tyrosine in thier new formula. is this as strong as 3,5-diiodo-L-thyronine?
Supposedly, it can shut down your thyroid. Which is some serious sh*t. However, if you cycle it (4 week cycles) with equal time for recovery, it is supposed to be "safe". I just bought 2 bottles and will start Monday. I will tell you about it if I am alive.The Triax is no longer available, I bought it. It was my understanding that T2pro is actually really bad for your thyroid but I can't remember what the reason was. Anyone?
Umm, no. That won't happen. Prolonged use will just make it harder for your natural metab to recover fully. Its not suppressed the way T3 will supress it.
Supposedly, it can shut down your thyroid.
Thanks Bro'.
Umm, no. That won't happen. Prolonged use will just make it harder for your natural metab to recover fully. Its not suppressed the way T3 will supress it.
Hey Dawggie Dawg, good to see you over here.
Now where did you ever here anything about YJ? Yeah, it's a good board. One last thing no flaming over here. Peace.
Yea, u too man..Ive heard a lot of good things about YJ thought that I would join this board consideirng he's allowed to post here unlinke that other board. And from what I gather so far this board is quite a bit better.
One last thing no flaming over here. Peace.
I thought there was no flaming. What is exactly the rule. And where did I get that misinformation?
Now I wouldnt go that far
Wheres the fun in no flaming??
And with this statement, its obvious thats not all you smoke....I smoke YJ all the time!
hahahahahahaha.......no commentOriginally posted by Bobo
I smoke YJ all the time!
Ive read, many of his posts before I became a member their, many of them were very informative. Ive also seen other ppl's posts about how they learned more from him then anyone.
Now where did you ever here anything about YJ?
Example of how context kills.....
hahahahahahaha.......no comment
The original T2 contained 50mcg 3,5-diiodo-l-thyronine. This is an extremely potent thyroid regulator. The original T-2 was powerful stuff, and when I used it @ double their recommended dosage, I would sometimes wake up at 3 a.m. starved to death! T2-Pro it is nothing more than Coleus forskohlii + tyrosine . $50 may have been reasonable for the original T-2, but now it's just an extremely high priced thermogenic. Coleus forskohlii is okay. Tyrosine won't do much unless your diet is deficient.i need one for my cutting cycle. i noticed that t2 pro is using 3;5-diiodo-L-tyrosine in thier new formula. is this as strong as 3,5-diiodo-L-thyronine?
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The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy
Section 2. Endocrine And Metabolic Disorders
Chapter 8. Thyroid Disorders
The clinical presentation of hyperthyroidism may be dramatic or subtle. Common signs and symptoms are goiter; tachycardia; widened pulse pressure; warm, fine, moist skin; tremor; eye signs (see below); atrial fibrillation; nervousness and increased activity; increased sweating; hypersensitivity to heat; palpitations; fatigue; increased appetite; weight loss; insomnia; weakness; and frequent bowel movements (occasionally diarrhea). Many symptoms of hyperthyroidism are similar to those of adrenergic excess. Older persons, particularly those with toxic nodular goiter, may present atypically with apathetic or masked hyperthyroidism (see Ch. 293).
No it does not. Suppression is not nearly as much as T3. Now the way they do it might be similar but comparing T3 to T2 is absurb. T3 suppression can be permanent. T2 cannot do this.T2 does suppress your thyroid output similarly to T3, IMO if thyroid drugs are the route you want to take, educate yourself and use the more effective T3.
I agree, comparing T3 and T2 is absurd as T2 gives just about the same thyroid suppression with out the fat loss results of T3, T3 is far and away the better choice.
No it does not. Suppression is not nearly as much as T3. Now the way they do it might be similar but comparing T3 to T2 is absurb.
Talk that to Frank Zane. He has to take T3 for the rest of his life because of misuse earlier in his career.J
As far as your comment about T3 permanently shutting down the thyroid, I'd like to see some evidence as I never have.
T3 is hardly a new discovery, it's been used successfully for fat loss for many years.Only thing I have a prob is this could easily be another one of those wonder drugs that worked extremely well on rats, but not in humans, like Clenbuterol.
I remember reading somewhere, not sure where, offering a reward for anyone who could produce a study or case of someone who had permanently shut down their thyroid due to T3 use and no one could ever find anything. So at the very worst it would be safe to assume his case is rare if it was indeed T3 and not some pre-existing thyroid problem he had.
Talk that to Frank Zane. He has to take T3 for the rest of his life because of misuse earlier in his career.
I was referring to T2.
T3 is hardly a new discovery, it's been used successfully for fat loss for many years.
Well the fact that he does, and that its widly accepted that misuse can cause serious problems, is enough for me. Of crouse if you know what your doing and taper it correctly, you won't have adverse effects. The dosages in that study show the difference in potency.
I remember reading somewhere, not sure where, offering a reward for anyone who could produce a study or case of someone who had permanently shut down their thyroid due to T3 use and no one could ever find anything. So at the very worst it would be safe to assume his case is rare if it was indeed T3 and not some pre-existing thyroid problem he had.
lovetoeat,
I agree, comparing T3 and T2 is absurd as T2 gives just about the same thyroid suppression with out the fat loss results of T3, T3 is far and away the better choice.
Effect of 3,5-diiodo-L-thyronine on thyroid stimulating hormone and growth hormone serum levels in hypothyroid rats.
Moreno M, Lombardi A, Lombardi P, Goglia F, Lanni A.
Dipartimento di Chimica, Facolta di Scienze, Universita degli Studi di Salerno, Italy.
We have investigated the biological effects of physiological doses of 3,5-diiodo-L-thyronine (3,5-T2) and 3,3'-diiodo-L-thyronine (3,3'-T2) (at doses from 2.5 to 10 microg/100 g BW) on serum TSH and GH levels in rats made hypothyroid by propylthiouracil and iopanoic acid administration. In such animals deiodinase activities were inhibited and thyroid hormones serum levels strongly reduced. The effects of T2s were compared with those elicited by 3,5,3'-triiodo-L-thyronine (T3) (2.5 microg/100 g BW).The serum TSH level was much greater in hypothyroid rats than in euthyroid ones. T3 administration suppressed TSH by 88% compared to control (i.e, the level in hypothyroid rats); it thus reached a value not significantly different from that seen in the euthyroid rats. 3,5-T2 produced a similar effect, suppressing the TSH level by about 75% compared to control; it thus reached values not significantly different from those of the euthyroid and T3-treated rats. By contrast, 3,3'-T2 had no effect on TSH, whatever the dose. The serum GH level was much lower in hypothyroid rats than in euthyroid ones. T3 administration increased the GH level by about 5-fold, restoring it to the value seen in euthyroid rats. 3,5-T2-treated hypothyroid rats, at all the doses used (from 2.5 to 10 microg/100 g BW), showed increased serum GH levels: at a dose of 10 microg/100 g BW the level reached a value about 5-fold higher than that in hypothyroid rats. This value was not significantly different from those of euthyroid and T3-treated rats. 3,3'-T2 did not affect GH levels whatever the dose. Thus, 3,5-T2 (but not 3,3'-T2) seems to mimic the effects of T3 on serum TSH and GH levels in rats.
Very interesting. That probably explains his very aged appearance. I always idolized Frank Zane, and now at 62, he looks much, much older than his contemporaries, like Robby Robinson and Dave Draper. And even Bill Pearl at 72 looks much younger than Frank. Even hormone supplementation, I suppose is not the same as natural test production as far as aging, etc.Talk that to Frank Zane. He has to take T3 for the rest of his life because of misuse earlier in his career.
This test is ONLY relevant on rats in which hyperthyroidism was induced and at a dosage level that would probably kill a human with slower metabolism. I should have said, "nothing of value pertaining to humans." I wasn't saying it was inappropriate, just I don't think these results are applicable in any way whatsoever to a human being without any thyroid problems. And the fact that one is legal and one is not makes the choice a simple one for many who refuse to bend the law.Nothing of value? That study shows T2 and T3 to have similar effects on the thyroid, opposing what was stated by bobo, yes it was done on rats but unfortunately this is the only info available. Whether they are high doses or not is insignificant, they used equally high doses with the T3 and T2, the conclusion is T2 shows similar suppression to T3.
No T3 is not a legal supplement but it was bobo who said T2 will not suppress you as does T3, I'm challenging that statement so if the discussion of T3 is not appropriate in this forum, it wasn't me who is to blame.
I've shown evidence for thinking the way I do but have yet to see you or bobo offer anything but opinion, where did this T2, T3 "theory" originate? Hopefully we're not taking the supplement manufacturers word for it.
Dosages don't mean anything? Are you joking? Bro the dosage were 25mcg compared .1mcg!! And the test was done on euthyroid rats which means their hormone levels were not normal! You gave an attempt to refute what I said, but in no way is T2 comparable to the potency of T3. Comparing the two for human use is a joke.Nothing of value? That study shows T2 and T3 to have similar effects on the thyroid, opposing what was stated by bobo, yes it was done on rats but unfortunately this is the only info available. Whether they are high doses or not is insignificant, they used equally high doses with the T3 and T2, the conclusion is T2 shows similar suppression to T3.
No T3 is not a legal supplement but it was bobo who said T2 will not suppress you as does T3, I'm challenging that statement so if the discussion of T3 is not appropriate in this forum, it wasn't me who is to blame.
I've shown evidence for thinking the way I do but have yet to see you or bobo offer anything but opinion, where did this T2, T3 "theory" originate? Hopefully we're not taking the supplement manufacturers word for it.
Is this not what we are attempting when we supplement with T2 or T3, that boost in metabolism to increase fat loss.
This test is ONLY relevant on rats in which hyperthyroidism was induced
We know T3 is suppressive in humans, what reason do we have for believing T3 is but not T2, again I've posted evidence for thinking the way I do but still see nothing from you to refute it.I should have said, "nothing of value pertaining to humans." I wasn't saying it was inappropriate, just I don't think these results are applicable in any way whatsoever to a human being without any thyroid problems.
If one doesn't wish to buy illegal drugs then sure give T2 a try, but it sure as hell isn't any more "safe".And the fact that one is legal and one is not makes the choice a simple one for many who refuse to bend the law.
Dosages don't mean anything? Are you joking? Bro the dosage were 25mcg compared .1mcg!! And the test was done on euthyroid rats which means their hormone levels were not normal! You gave an attempt to refute what I said, but in no way is T2 comparable to the potency of T3. Comparing the two for human use is a joke.
I would just like to repeat this once again as it keeps getting ignored.
I've posted evidence for thinking the way I do but still see nothing from you to refute it.
You gave me a case study trying to prove they had the same effect. The dosages of t2 was 250x the dose of t3. I think that states the case about the potency and your attempt to link the two.
We're not comparing rat doses to human doses here, mg for mg no T2 is not comparable to the potency of T3, I've never said that. The recommended dose of T2 and the dose that best results are seen at are a good bit different.
Widely accepted by who? For some, including myself, we need a little more than "I heard it can cause problems".
Well the fact that he does, and that its widly accepted that misuse can cause serious problems, is enough for me.
We did. Your case study and attempt was proved irrelevant as the dosages were so far apart. The study was also conducted on euthyroid rats. Now if you don't see how that makes your study completely irrevelant pertaining to humans, then you fail to see the obvious.
I would just like to repeat this once again as it keeps getting ignored.
Read Anabolics 2002. Thats one. You can deny it all you want and demand prooof to your blue in the face. Several pro bb'ers are feeling the effect now, including Frank Zane. If you don't want to believe it, then your jsut close minded.
Widely accepted by who? For some, including myself, we need a little more than "I heard it can cause problems".
Ummm....yeah riiiiiiiiiight.
If one doesn't wish to buy illegal drugs then sure give T2 a try, but it sure as hell isn't any more "safe".
I think there is some confusion here, they used 2.5mcg of 3,5-T2(which is what is sold in stores) and 10mcg of 3,3-T2(essentially garbage with no known effects) to a equal dose of 2.5mcg of T3.
You gave me a case study trying to prove they had the same effect. The dosages of t2 was 250x the dose of t3. I think that states the case about the potency and your attempt to link the two.
Is this what your arguement has been reduced to, if so I surely won't waste my time.
Ummm....yeah riiiiiiiiiight.