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The New Product Release Thread

The vitamin shoppe "V Thrive" Grass-fed whey is the best chocolate I have ever tasted. I am usually not a fan of chocolate proteins of any kind (except PES cupcake, though that is not a pure chocolate). the V-thrive one is actually amazing, odd sounding I know, but I am being honest.
 
If your looking for a good tasting chocolate protein Cellucor Molten Choc has always been
one of the BEST chocolates out there and anyone who I recommended it to always gave me
great feedback on it. Another good tasting chocolate if you like dark choc is XTEND Choc Lava
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If your looking for a good tasting chocolate protein Cellucor Molten Choc has always been
one of the BEST chocolates out there and anyone who I recommended it to always gave me
great feedback on it. Another good tasting chocolate if you like dark choc is XTEND Choc Lava
Cake and it really taste like the pic on the tub.Invalid Link Removed

Both of these are indeed solid chocolate choices. Man it’s been a minute since I’ve used the Cellucor one!
 
Both of these are indeed solid chocolate choices. Man it’s been a minute since I’ve used the Cellucor one!

Yes, They are both very good !
 
Their Cookie Butter is very good imo too. Just got a tub a couple days ago. Not too sweet.

Just the sound of Cookie Butter flavor makes me hungry :LOL: Two things I love smashed together.
 
Rule 1 and Ghost milk chocolate were both very good. Champion nutrition had a great one back in the day. Only other chocolate I’ve had recently was the dynamite cocoa pebbles and wasn’t my favorite. Wasn’t bad but I’ve had better chocolates for sure
 
They have been for 2 weeks
Both mine have it
I don’t work for Cellucor or C4 so this may be locational I would shoot them an email on their webpage if they have a flavor locator like some brands do for drinks

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thanks...i haven't been to walmart in around a week i will check this weekend--i am a huge fan of skittles flavor.
 
If you get it report back here please how it tastes! Sounds great
It misses a lot of the Skittles element. It is heavier on the grape Skittles and misses out on some of the other flavors. I have had a few of them it's a dominant grape skittle with subtle hints of the other flavors.
 
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Versalyte has quite the cost-effective price tag. Currently, the product is $19.99 for a tub of 30 servings on the brand’s [website](https://pescience.com/products/versalyte), or $17
 
This product is coming and will be 🔥🔥🔥

HEAL is topical bpc-157 + tb-500
 

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very interesting....i hate injecting and many say oral bpc is not very effective....

I thought that it wouldn’t pass through the dermis from what I’ve seen in other threads. If that’s not true I’m down for this for my shoulder surgery rehab.
 
This product is coming and will be 🔥🔥🔥

HEAL is topical bpc-157 + tb-500

this is definitely interesting. I am not an expert, but I was under the impression injectable was the only way for these peptides to be utilized by the body. this could be massive if it is in fact effective transdermally.
 
Friends peptides are systemic by nature. They work whether by oral, nasal, IV, sniffing, injection, subq, topical.

Injection via IM is superior. Think of a vaccine, or a peptide or AAS. If u inject anything into a muscle, it has a higher rate of absorption. Nevertheless the compound works systemically. It spreads via the bloodstream and it works overall regardless.

BPC is def superior injected IM. It will heal that area faster. But most of it's effects are systemic.

Oral is not faulty. We use that for intestinal and digestive issues such as Crohn's.

Ive healed vision issues in my clients w eye drops.

Topical is superior to oral, unless u are treating an intestinal issue w bpc and tb.

Topical is not as strong as an IM injection, however it is super effective, it will heal your body, injuries, lower inflammation and ur not a pin
cushion.

This product is worth it's weight in gold ⭐
 
Friends peptides are systemic by nature. They work whether by oral, nasal, IV, sniffing, injection, subq, topical.

Injection via IM is superior. Think of a vaccine, or a peptide or AAS. If u inject anything into a muscle, it has a higher rate of absorption. Nevertheless the compound works systemically. It spreads via the bloodstream and it works overall regardless.

BPC is def superior injected IM. It will heal that area faster. But most of it's effects are systemic.

Oral is not faulty. We use that for intestinal and digestive issues such as Crohn's.

Ive healed vision issues in my clients w eye drops.

Topical is superior to oral, unless u are treating an intestinal issue w bpc and tb.

Topical is not as strong as an IM injection, however it is super effective, it will heal your body, injuries, lower inflammation and ur not a pin
cushion.

This product is worth it's weight in gold ⭐
will the TD carrier by localized or systematic--personally i would definitely prefer the localized!!!!
 
Friends peptides are systemic by nature. They work whether by oral, nasal, IV, sniffing, injection, subq, topical.

Injection via IM is superior. Think of a vaccine, or a peptide or AAS. If u inject anything into a muscle, it has a higher rate of absorption. Nevertheless the compound works systemically. It spreads via the bloodstream and it works overall regardless.

BPC is def superior injected IM. It will heal that area faster. But most of it's effects are systemic.

Oral is not faulty. We use that for intestinal and digestive issues such as Crohn's.

Ive healed vision issues in my clients w eye drops.

Topical is superior to oral, unless u are treating an intestinal issue w bpc and tb.

Topical is not as strong as an IM injection, however it is super effective, it will heal your body, injuries, lower inflammation and ur not a pin
cushion.

This product is worth it's weight in gold ⭐

Umm sorry you know thats not true right? definitely not all drugs or medicines can be absorbed transdermally.

Do you have actual evidence showing that transdermal application for these works?

I'm not coming at you specifically but if a company is going to release a trans-dermal product, the burden of proof falls on them to prove that 1. it actually CAN be absorbed trans-dermally and 2. the absorption occurs at an effective level resulting in a therapeutic effect.

From memory the molecular mass of the drug plays a big role along with the targeted dose, micrograms is the preferred target with milligrams also being possible (in the lower end).
 
For a molecule to be absorbed topically it should have a MW less or around 400D (preferably less thank 300D). bpc-157 has a MW of 1400D and tb-500 a molecular weight of 4921D. And I’m not even talking about the stability of the peptides in the carrier solutions.
 
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Interesting discussion ??
 
Sirs great info and with all due respect and no offense to anyone, I assumed that anyone reading my response would apply all that I said I only to compounds that can be absorbed topically.

I didn't think that had to be said here.

But I digress, of course we will have the ability to back up a product claim.

Have you guys ever seen an iron mag labs product or musclegelz that didn't work? We were one of the first to bring topical mk-677 to the market. No one knew that would work either.

When the product write up arrives we will justify all of the product claims.

Appreciate the dialogue fellas.
 
I have just one question.

How can you claim to make something work topically if the science and biology (skin permeability, etc ) go against it? You know something that all the big pharmaceutical companies making HGH and other peptide treatments dont know and continue to make their products injectable instead of transdermal?
 
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I have just one question.

How can you claim to make something work topically if the science and biology (skin permeability, etc ) go against it? You know something that all the big pharmaceutical companies making HGH and other peptide treatments dont know and continue to make their products injectable instead of transdermal?

MuscleGelz are actually pharmaceutical grade and manufactured by a FDA approved lab. These products are not capped and mixed in someone's basement sir.

And I am unsure why you aren't aware of this but topical BPC is already in existence. We are not the first brand to use said technology.

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This paper describes 1) the drug delivery through the skin to produce systemic effects, 2) the enhancement of percutaneous absorption by absorption enhancers, heating and complex formation, 3) the mechanism for the enhancement effect by enhancers, 4) the percutaneous absorption of peptides, and 5) the pharmacokinetic analysis for percutaneous absorption. 1,3-Dinitroglycerin, indomethacin (IND) and many drugs were efficiently absorbed via rat and rabbit skins in the presence of some enhancers, and using a microporous membrane therapeutic plasma concentrations were maintained for a long time. Enhancement of percutaneous absorption by the complex formation with fatty acid was observed for propranolol (PL) in vitro and in vivo. Heating at 42-45 degrees C also enhanced the percutaneous absorption dramatically, with decreased activation energies. The following mechanisms for the enhancement effect by enhancers were found: a) an increase in the fluidity of the stratum corneum lipids and reduction in the diffusional resistance to permeants, b) the removal of intercellular lipids and dilation between adherent cornified cells, c) an increase in the thermodynamic activity of drugs in vehicles, d) the exfoliation of stratum corneum cell membranes, the dissociation of adherent cornified cells and elimination of the barrier function. Peptides such as enkephalin, elcatonin and insulin were effectively absorbed through the skin in the presence of some enhancers and specific inhibitors, with no proteolytic degradation. The pharmacokinetic model with two parallel absorption processes, lipidic and aqueous pore transport pathways, in skin could adequately describe the percutaneous absorption of IND, PL and valproic acid. With peptides, a kinetic model including zero-order input rate, first-order permeation rate and first-order degradation rate was able to describe well the steady-state flux of peptides.


will the TD carrier by localized or systematic--personally i would definitely prefer the localized!!!!

Excellent question!

application can be general or site specific: Depending on where you apply the topical you can thus focus on either the systemic or the local effects of BPC-157. Either way it is going to pass into the bloodstream and have a systemic effect.

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The successful delivery of a drug across the skin depends on the physicochemical properties of the drug, such as molecular weight (<500 Da), partition coefficient (1–3) and the potency of the drug, which is recommended to be below 20 mg IV dose/day.[Invalid Link Removed] However, when dealing with a drug that falls outside of these ranges, the key to successful TDD relies on a high-performance drug delivery device.[Invalid Link Removed] An efficient TTS must be capable of temporarily reducing or bypassing the SC barrier with the result of enhanced drug delivery to attain a therapeutic plasma drug concentration. Transdermal dosage forms include ointments, creams, gels, and, more commonly, the transdermal “patch.” More recently, newer dosage forms have been launched, such as the metered dose aerosols and ballistic needleless injections.[Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed] The transdermal patch is often favored because the other semi-solid formulations rely on the patient applying the correct amount of the formulation to their skin as the main method of graduating the dose.[Invalid Link Removed] The concentration of drug in the dosage form and the area of skin to which it is applied are important parameters that affect the permeation rate. This is difficult to achieve using semi-solid dosage forms.[Invalid Link Removed] Depending on the type of transdermal patch used, the formulation may consist of some or all of the following components: drug, release liner, adhesive, rate-limiting membrane, backing layer, and other excipients. The release liner is used to seal the area of the formulation that will be directly applied to the patient's skin. The presence of a release liner is necessary to control any unintentional release of drug during transport or storage and also to prevent the formulation adhering to the packaging. The backing layer (the area of the formulation that is visible after application) forms a protective covering before and during use and it may also have the effect of occluding the skin and therefore raising the hydration level of SC, which may aid drug permeation across the skin. The rate-limiting membrane is used to prevent leakage from a semi-solid or liquid reservoir while also ensuring that the release of the drug from the reservoir occurs at the desired rate.
 
MuscleGelz are actually pharmaceutical grade and manufactured by a FDA approved lab. These products are not capped and mixed in someone's basement sir.

And I am unsure why you aren't aware of this but topical BPC is already in existence. We are not the first brand to use said technology.

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This paper describes 1) the drug delivery through the skin to produce systemic effects, 2) the enhancement of percutaneous absorption by absorption enhancers, heating and complex formation, 3) the mechanism for the enhancement effect by enhancers, 4) the percutaneous absorption of peptides, and 5) the pharmacokinetic analysis for percutaneous absorption. 1,3-Dinitroglycerin, indomethacin (IND) and many drugs were efficiently absorbed via rat and rabbit skins in the presence of some enhancers, and using a microporous membrane therapeutic plasma concentrations were maintained for a long time. Enhancement of percutaneous absorption by the complex formation with fatty acid was observed for propranolol (PL) in vitro and in vivo. Heating at 42-45 degrees C also enhanced the percutaneous absorption dramatically, with decreased activation energies. The following mechanisms for the enhancement effect by enhancers were found: a) an increase in the fluidity of the stratum corneum lipids and reduction in the diffusional resistance to permeants, b) the removal of intercellular lipids and dilation between adherent cornified cells, c) an increase in the thermodynamic activity of drugs in vehicles, d) the exfoliation of stratum corneum cell membranes, the dissociation of adherent cornified cells and elimination of the barrier function. Peptides such as enkephalin, elcatonin and insulin were effectively absorbed through the skin in the presence of some enhancers and specific inhibitors, with no proteolytic degradation. The pharmacokinetic model with two parallel absorption processes, lipidic and aqueous pore transport pathways, in skin could adequately describe the percutaneous absorption of IND, PL and valproic acid. With peptides, a kinetic model including zero-order input rate, first-order permeation rate and first-order degradation rate was able to describe well the steady-state flux of peptides.




Excellent question!

application can be general or site specific: Depending on where you apply the topical you can thus focus on either the systemic or the local effects of BPC-157. Either way it is going to pass into the bloodstream and have a systemic effect.

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The successful delivery of a drug across the skin depends on the physicochemical properties of the drug, such as molecular weight (day.[Invalid Link Removed] However, when dealing with a drug that falls outside of these ranges, the key to successful TDD relies on a high-performance drug delivery device.[Invalid Link Removed] An efficient TTS must be capable of temporarily reducing or bypassing the SC barrier with the result of enhanced drug delivery to attain a therapeutic plasma drug concentration. Transdermal dosage forms include ointments, creams, gels, and, more commonly, the transdermal “patch.” More recently, newer dosage forms have been launched, such as the metered dose aerosols and ballistic needleless injections.[Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed] The transdermal patch is often favored because the other semi-solid formulations rely on the patient applying the correct amount of the formulation to their skin as the main method of graduating the dose.[Invalid Link Removed] The concentration of drug in the dosage form and the area of skin to which it is applied are important parameters that affect the permeation rate. This is difficult to achieve using semi-solid dosage forms.[Invalid Link Removed] Depending on the type of transdermal patch used, the formulation may consist of some or all of the following components: drug, release liner, adhesive, rate-limiting membrane, backing layer, and other excipients. The release liner is used to seal the area of the formulation that will be directly applied to the patient's skin. The presence of a release liner is necessary to control any unintentional release of drug during transport or storage and also to prevent the formulation adhering to the packaging. The backing layer (the area of the formulation that is visible after application) forms a protective covering before and during use and it may also have the effect of occluding the skin and therefore raising the hydration level of SC, which may aid drug permeation across the skin. The rate-limiting membrane is used to prevent leakage from a semi-solid or liquid reservoir while also ensuring that the release of the drug from the reservoir occurs at the desired rate.

I’m aware of the studies you posted but they are not related to peptides and their molecular weight.

One of the studies you posted clearly mentions a molecular weight of less than 500D. which is not the case of peptides.

You said transdermal BPC already exist. Fo my information and to learn something would you mind telling which pharma company is making this or any other transdermal peptides?
 
There is a hard and fast rule of transdermal science. The ideal drug for transdermal delivery is under 400 Dalton in molecular weight. And while 500 Dalton appears to have some amount of delivery pushing above 500 Dalton is pretty much just wasting your drug. It's just gonna sit on your skin. There's a very good reason for this. Its called the Stratum Corneum.

The Stratum Corneum is like the roof of your home.. but for your body. It's the outermost layer of your skin. And it really does look and act like shingles. It's designed to keep unwanted garbage from entering through the skin.

One of the things a good transdermal vehicle must do is disrupt the Stratum Corneum enough to allow a breach of these shingle-like cell edges so stuff that the Stratum Corneum would normally keep out, gets in. There are many things that maker good transdermal vehicle and this article doesn't set out to identify them or their abilities to do a better job than another. But understand this, the BEST transdermal vehicles still wont disrupt the Stratum Corneum enough to get a drug of above 500 Dalton to get into the body. That's what hypodermic needles are for. (The exception to this 500 Dalton threshold is the inclusion of electrophoresis but I'm not covering that here either)

And on to the reason for this article. many of you are buying Invalid Link Removed with molecular weights much higher than the 500 Dalton threshold and adding DMSO or some other transdermal agent to them and rubbing them on your skin. You can kick and scream all you want but you're just wasting the expensive material you're buying.

BPC157 is around 1400 Dalton, Thymosin Beta 4, around 4900 Dalton. Some smaller di and tri Invalid Link Removed however ARE small enough to be delivered transdermally like GHK-CU which is just at the upper end of deliverability at the high 500 Dalton ranges. This transdermal science is real. I don't care what the guy who sells you your GH patches says (hGH is 22,124 Dalton.. you may as well rub table salt on your skin and make believe its getting in)

Save yourself lots of money, time and embarrassment. Before you decide to add a peptide to some DMSO and rub it on the affected area of your body, look up the molecular weight here Invalid Link Removed because if its larger than 500 dalton, the only effects you're feeling are from the DMSO which will make pain sensations subside all on its own. But that's a totally different discussion.
 
There is a hard and fast rule of transdermal science. The ideal drug for transdermal delivery is under 400 Dalton in molecular weight. And while 500 Dalton appears to have some amount of delivery pushing above 500 Dalton is pretty much just wasting your drug. It's just gonna sit on your skin. There's a very good reason for this. Its called the Stratum Corneum.

The Stratum Corneum is like the roof of your home.. but for your body. It's the outermost layer of your skin. And it really does look and act like shingles. It's designed to keep unwanted garbage from entering through the skin.

One of the things a good transdermal vehicle must do is disrupt the Stratum Corneum enough to allow a breach of these shingle-like cell edges so stuff that the Stratum Corneum would normally keep out, gets in. There are many things that maker good transdermal vehicle and this article doesn't set out to identify them or their abilities to do a better job than another. But understand this, the BEST transdermal vehicles still wont disrupt the Stratum Corneum enough to get a drug of above 500 Dalton to get into the body. That's what hypodermic needles are for. (The exception to this 500 Dalton threshold is the inclusion of electrophoresis but I'm not covering that here either)

And on to the reason for this article. many of you are buying Invalid Link Removed with molecular weights much higher than the 500 Dalton threshold and adding DMSO or some other transdermal agent to them and rubbing them on your skin. You can kick and scream all you want but you're just wasting the expensive material you're buying.

BPC157 is around 1400 Dalton, Thymosin Beta 4, around 4900 Dalton. Some smaller di and tri Invalid Link Removed however ARE small enough to be delivered transdermally like GHK-CU which is just at the upper end of deliverability at the high 500 Dalton ranges. This transdermal science is real. I don't care what the guy who sells you your GH patches says (hGH is 22,124 Dalton.. you may as well rub table salt on your skin and make believe its getting in)

Save yourself lots of money, time and embarrassment. Before you decide to add a peptide to some DMSO and rub it on the affected area of your body, look up the molecular weight here Invalid Link Removed because if its larger than 500 dalton, the only effects you're feeling are from the DMSO which will make pain sensations subside all on its own. But that's a totally different discussion.
Sir you copy and pasted your reply
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Rostam sir, a manufacturer of BPC topical is GlobaDerm

Friends I assure you we will have the corresponding documentation when the product launches. We aren't gonna make something that isn't 🔥🔥🔥

Meantime here is a brief explanation:
"The BPC 157 molecule has a dalton weight of about 14,000 which in it’s natural state is virtually impossible to deliver transdermally.

The molecule is a linear molecule and that enables us to subject it to several propriety steps in our production laboratories to reconfigure the molecule without loosing any of it’s nutrient qualities
. "


For the record I am not unhappy to discuss this because I do understand this is innovative and not fully understood by everyone.
 
Sir you copy and pasted your reply
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Rostam sir, a manufacturer of BPC topical is GlobaDerm

Friends I assure you we will have the corresponding documentation when the product launches. We aren't gonna make something that isn't

Meantime here is a brief explanation:
"The BPC 157 molecule has a dalton weight of about 14,000 which in it’s natural state is virtually impossible to deliver transdermally.

The molecule is a linear molecule and that enables us to subject it to several propriety steps in our production laboratories to reconfigure the molecule without loosing any of it’s nutrient qualities
. "


For the record I am not unhappy to discuss this because I do understand this is innovative and not fully understood by everyone.

Thank you for sharing.

Is this the GlobaDerm you are talking about?

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I can’t find neither their website nor any reference to their transdermal peptides.

If you have any link to share I would appreciate. It’s not that I don’t believe you but I wanted to read what they say about this.
 
Thank you for sharing.

Is this the GlobaDerm you are talking about?

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I can’t find neither their website nor any reference to their transdermal peptides.

If you have any link to share I would appreciate. It’s not that I don’t believe you but I wanted to read what they say about this.
Yes sir I understand

We will have all supporting documentation upon release

We also don't wanna give away every manufacturing detail.

There are several others who have topical bpc157 ATM. I am unaware of anyone else who will have this modified combo 🙏🙏💪💪
 
Yes sir I understand

We will have all supporting documentation upon release

We also don't wanna give away every manufacturing detail.

There are several others who have topical bpc157 ATM. I am unaware of anyone else who will have this modified combo 🙏🙏💪💪
is this going to drive cost well above what IM cost would be?
 
Sir you copy and pasted your reply
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Rostam sir, a manufacturer of BPC topical is GlobaDerm

Friends I assure you we will have the corresponding documentation when the product launches. We aren't gonna make something that isn't 🔥🔥🔥

Meantime here is a brief explanation:
"The BPC 157 molecule has a dalton weight of about 14,000 which in it’s natural state is virtually impossible to deliver transdermally.

The molecule is a linear molecule and that enables us to subject it to several propriety steps in our production laboratories to reconfigure the molecule without loosing any of it’s nutrient qualities
. "


For the record I am not unhappy to discuss this because I do understand this is innovative and not fully understood by everyone.
I’m aware, never claimed to be the author of it lol. I’ve seen it for wound healing but not much else topically. I’m Interested and will await further details from you.
 
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New Alpha EAA Peach Tea
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"You got hair on your peaches or what?!" That should be the promo line :)

But Peach Tea flavor is the best tasting in my opinion for aminos. 5% nutrition has a similar flavor and it tastes great and I think GAT has it as well.
 
I would love to taste this, could be really good or really bad ????
If you have a choc flavored protein as well as a strawberry you just mix 1 scoop of each
and shake them together and you have this flavor :) and at a better $$$ ;) I've done this
and the combo taste great and also choc and orange protein taste great together.
 
Yes sir I understand

We will have all supporting documentation upon release

We also don't wanna give away every manufacturing detail.

There are several others who have topical bpc157 ATM. I am unaware of anyone else who will have this modified combo 🙏🙏💪💪

LOL I see not much has changed since the last time I've been around these parts
 
If you have a choc flavored protein as well as a strawberry you just mix 1 scoop of each
and shake them together and you have this flavor :) and at a better $$$ ;) I've done this
and the combo taste great and also choc and orange protein taste great together.

I’ve done chocolate with banana. Loved that.
 
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