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The Lean Gains / IF learning and Discussion Log

MrKleen73 said:
It works and works well for getting shredded. However you still have to count calories to do so, or just estimate well. I recently let things go quite a bit for 6 weeks or so. I stuck to the 16/8 but allowed myself to creep up about 500 on burn days and 1000-1500 on build days while laying off on cardio and losing some intensity on my training. It was a conscious decision as far as eating more freely and I just let it carry me away. I ended up adding about 3-4% body fat just like anything else if you abuse the freedom it allows you can easily put on fat and or mass. I do think I would have actually gained more if I had not stuck to the 16/8 though simply because I would have had that many more hours in which I would have continued to pile on calories increasing what I was eating by another 500-1000 a day easily.

As far as bulking on it goes I am sure it is easy to do. If I had really been pushing harder in the gym I would have definitely added some mass during that period as it stands now I am not so sure. I will have to get to my previous fitness level to see. SS you are definitely correct that it is easy to eat a lot but there is the issue of stretching the stomach out and going into a cut being harder. I think that the best way to do that would be to have one 36-48 hour fasting period in the beginning of your cut this would immediately shrink your stomach and you would then become full more quickly when you started eating again. It takes 3 days for the catabolism of muscle to start so there would be no danger in muscle loss during that period.
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Kleen... in your opinion, would this be the diet you would use if or when you decide to do another show, even those few weeks right before your show as in up to the day of your show???
 
Frank Reynolds said:
Care to elaborate on your thoughts in regards to shredded/contest condition, and why you feel you can't do this? I don't really see it any different then any other sort of calorie restriction.

As for the second part, like any other diet, it needs to be adapted based on results. If you are in a "rut" on any diet, and don't change "something" you will stay in that rut. That isn't the diet, that is human error..lol
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Frank post up the pics on how lean you got with just Lean Gains! I know where Scotty is coming from on the likelihood of him over relaxing, I have a tendency to do this myself. However, the thought that you can't get ripped as hell on this still eludes me why he holds onto that belief. Martin stays 5.5 percent, you are shredded to the max, most of the pics on the Lean Gains site are ripped below 6%. Martin has a specific contest prep that he takes clients through which from my understanding is very similar to skip loading.

I think the biggest thing is like you said human error, IE not paying attention to the details. I stayed around 7% for quite a while ot counting calories but paying attention. I didn't backslide until I just stopped paying attention all together. Just started having fun eating and wasn't working towards any specific goal including maintaining. Of course I would lose some of my shape by floating along like that. However like I said in my last post I would have definitely been worse off if having the same mentality my eating was not limited to the 8 hour window.
 
ScottyDoc said:
Kleen... in your opinion, would this be the diet you would use if or when you decide to do another show, even those few weeks right before your show as in up to the day of your show???
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Yeah I think it would. The only thing I would do differently from earlier is follow the diet to a t, not do it as a lifestyle diet like I have been all year.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah I think it would. The only thing I would do differently from earlier is follow the diet to a t, not do it as a lifestyle diet like I have been all year.
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To elaborate, I would run is with macros more along the 40p, 40f, 20c and then do a day of 50-60c, 30p, 10-20f one day a week. Counting everything.
 
ScottyDoc said:
I just feel the human body responds better to multiple meals per day when going from ripped to stage ready! I totally agree someone can get ripped on Lean Gains, but to get to that level of onion thin skin, it will only truly happen with multiple meals per day (spread throughout the day) keeping one's metabolism as fast as humanly possible. I admit, there are different body types out there and an ectomorph can probably do much better with / get away with the LG protocol while trying to get pre-contest, but I do not think it would be an easy task to accomplish if you are an endomorph like myself... again this is just my opinion based on experience and what I have seen in the bodybuilding world, I am in no way saying anything is impossible, just sharing my personal opinion, not trying to step on any toes here guys!
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I think you should try it and formulate your own opinion.

If you look at the people standing on stage on the LG site I am sure they would disagree..haha.

Even look at layne norton. He advocates LESS meals, as well(although no "fasting") he goes 4-5 hrs between meals with like 4 meals a day pre-contest. I would say he gets people onion skinned, etc.

Bottom line Scotty. I have dieted every which way from Sunday(low fat, low carb, timed carb, etc, etc), and NEVER got as lean as I did with LG, and not only that, I was BY FAR the loosest on food selection on LG. I mean my carb sources in my "dieting phase" were white(everything) bagel thins, low fat eggos with FF whipped cream, small amounts of low fat ice cream, white pasta, etc. I would refeed once a week at 10-15k cals, as I did keep carbs low durring the week. It was like I wasn't even dieting.

That said I am ALWAYS regimented year round. I typically weigh everything, because I am so used to it from YEARS of traditional BB dieting. I hit my macros, I never cheat stray, etc.

The thing is even then you don't NEED to do any of that. What you NEED to do is be consistent. Count xx meat as xx protein, ALWAYS count it as that. If you use two table spoons of BBQ sauce with each meal and don't count it, ALWAYS use those 2, not 3, not 7, 2. Any more COUNT it. etc. It doesn't have to be painstaiking.

Right now I am in maintenance phase/recomp. I still have my macro targets that I adhere to, but my food choices are so diverse I don't NEED to stray at all. I am not deprived.
 
MrKleen73 said:
To elaborate, I would run is with macros more along the 40p, 40f, 20c and then do a day of 50-60c, 30p, 10-20f one day a week. Counting everything.
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I think that is the most important thing. Take a macro split you are comfortable with, and know you respond best to and implement it to IF.

I know I respond well to TCD with carbs post workout, and no/very low carbs on non training days. This creates a carb cycle more or less. I set my macros the same as I do on my traditional diet, but just make them in 3 meals vs 6-7. I did my weekly refeed because I know I NEED it both mentally, and physically when my diet is structured like that.

So if scotty you feel you respond best to 50/20/30 Then you would use that as a starting point IMO.

I would challenge you to try it with the same vigor you had in your transformation log..;)
 
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0071982WC said:
I'm sorry but I must.... How many of you i
IF/LG people are super shredded? Please prove me wrong. I can't imagine a person who eats 4000 cal in one setting having a ripped mid section. Not hating at all here, just curious and amazed.
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Then you don't know many people, LOL. Everyone is very different and therefore is going to respond differently to everything, so it's about finding what works best for YOU! I have NO issues eating >4,000 calories in a single sitting, and I generally stay under 10% bodyfat - then again, I am one of the anomalies and it's my TRAINING and not so much my nutrition that determines my leanness. Don't be surprised - just because you cannot imagine it does not mean it is impossible!

~Rosie~
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
Then you don't know many people, LOL. Everyone is very different and therefore is going to respond differently to everything, so it's about finding what works best for YOU! I have NO issues eating >4,000 calories in a single sitting, and I generally stay under 10% bodyfat - then again, I am one of the anomalies and it's my TRAINING and not so much my nutrition that determines my leanness. Don't be surprised - just because you cannot imagine it does not mean it is impossible!

~Rosie~
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Some NFL football players eat over 15k calories a day. That isn't even game day. Talk about some food! I think we all probably downed over 4000 calories in one meal for thanksgiving... lol


Hope everyone had a great T day
 
Frank Reynolds said:
I think you should try it and formulate your own opinion.

If you look at the people standing on stage on the LG site I am sure they would disagree..haha.

Even look at layne norton. He advocates LESS meals, as well(although no "fasting") he goes 4-5 hrs between meals with like 4 meals a day pre-contest. I would say he gets people onion skinned, etc.

Bottom line Scotty. I have dieted every which way from Sunday(low fat, low carb, timed carb, etc, etc), and NEVER got as lean as I did with LG, and not only that, I was BY FAR the loosest on food selection on LG. I mean my carb sources in my "dieting phase" were white(everything) bagel thins, low fat eggos with FF whipped cream, small amounts of low fat ice cream, white pasta, etc. I would refeed once a week at 10-15k cals, as I did keep carbs low durring the week. It was like I wasn't even dieting.

That said I am ALWAYS regimented year round. I typically weigh everything, because I am so used to it from YEARS of traditional BB dieting. I hit my macros, I never cheat stray, etc.

The thing is even then you don't NEED to do any of that. What you NEED to do is be consistent. Count xx meat as xx protein, ALWAYS count it as that. If you use two table spoons of BBQ sauce with each meal and don't count it, ALWAYS use those 2, not 3, not 7, 2. Any more COUNT it. etc. It doesn't have to be painstaiking.

Right now I am in maintenance phase/recomp. I still have my macro targets that I adhere to, but my food choices are so diverse I don't NEED to stray at all. I am not deprived.
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Frank... Thank you for the insight my friend, I will definitely reconsider giving LG a try in the future, I guess it just scares me a little because of how Lax it is/can be, I tend to go overboard when I allow myself some laxitivity (my own word) in my diet, which leads to slowly but surely gaining weight (fat) back. I stand corrected, as I have visited LG website just recently and I do see how it can/will work for most when done just as meticulously as the stereotypical (6 meals a day) BB-esk diet. Thank you again for the knowledge!
 
ScottyDoc said:
Frank... Thank you for the insight my friend, I will definitely reconsider giving LG a try in the future, I guess it just scares me a little because of how Lax it is/can be, I tend to go overboard when I allow myself some laxitivity (my own word) in my diet, which leads to slowly but surely gaining weight (fat) back. I stand corrected, as I have visited LG website just recently and I do see how it can/will work for most when done just as meticulously as the stereotypical (6 meals a day) BB-esk diet. Thank you again for the knowledge!
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Dont be scared my brotha! I once ate as you did, and when I made the switch I stayed just as meticulous with documenting calories and macro-nutrients! Id have to say the best part of LG is being freed from tupperware HELL! Also eating the big calorie meals is much more rewarding and satiating than the small six or seven. You have a sense of accomplisment when you make it throuh the first few fasts, and you say to yourself...man I deserve this food! You almost gain a new appreciation for nutrition. Finally when it becomes routine, well lets just say I have no interest in going back to grazing.
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
Then you don't know many people, LOL. Everyone is very different and therefore is going to respond differently to everything, so it's about finding what works best for YOU! I have NO issues eating >4,000 calories in a single sitting, and I generally stay under 10% bodyfat - then again, I am one of the anomalies and it's my TRAINING and not so much my nutrition that determines my leanness. Don't be surprised - just because you cannot imagine it does not mean it is impossible!

~Rosie~
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Rosie... as always your body is a FREAK of nature that all should be jealous of, I mean what you do and can get away with never ceases to amaze me!

Rosie's one-liner should be... "Don't hate me cuz you ain't me!" LoL!
 
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6-7 meals works well for me. No science just experience. Yes there must be more than one way. I wonder what your protocols would do for me. I may have to give it a try...... Just can't imagine going that long without food! I love eating!
 
No problem Scotty.

I would say it is only as lax as YOU make it.

I am much like you. I NEED structure, and to be regimented or it all goes to hell. I am not lax in the least bit. I have my calorie, and macro targets and I hit them day in and day out. I have a weight(morning and night weight) spreadsheet that has been running for over 2.5 years, and also a food doc for about the same stretch of time. This is just habit for me, and I don't even think about it. I keep a journal in google docs where I will recap my week, any changes to my diet/cardio, how I felt, strength, etc. So I can reflect back to it a year from now when I am trying to diet again, and figure out exact calories, cardio, supplementation, etc.. lol

I need to be anal, and regimented to keep me on track.

What may APPEAR lax to an outsider, mostly because we are programmed to THINK certain things are "clean" and "dirty" is some of my food selection. Which in actuality is only my carb sources. My protein is always lean pork, chicken breast, sirloin, 96%gb, etc. Fats are always nuts, nut butters, various oils, small amounts of cheese here and there, HOWEVER for carbs I threw the GI out the window and I eat as I said bagel thins, white pasta, white potatoes, white rice, low fat eggo waffles, low fat ice cream(for a dessert), etc.

Here was my dinner last night, and could be a typical carb meal(size would change depending on which meal, and macros):
Salad with light dressing
300g cooked chicken breast on a thin bagel with BBQ sauce/lettuce
Asparagus with light smart balance butter
2 servings of Alexia oven fries(2g fat)
2 low fat eggo waffles with 1 serving low fat caramel delight ice cream and FF whipped cream

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Macros:
75g protein
100g Carb
8g fat(dressing/butter)

You can't even begin to understand how liberating having to eat less frequently, while broadening your food selection past what the "norm" is. I can sit down, have some pork tenderloin, some kraft mac and cheese prepared to be low fat, and some dessert, and get lean. I am an ENDO to the highest degree, in fact I RARELY ever come across someone with a metabolism as slow as mine..lol



Oddly enough, I actually just watched this this morning, and I think he puts this in perspective pretty well. Keep in mind he is a natural pro BB.
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Frank Reynolds said:
No problem Scotty.

I would say it is only as lax as YOU make it.

I am much like you. I NEED structure, and to be regimented or it all goes to hell. I am not lax in the least bit. I have my calorie, and macro targets and I hit them day in and day out. I have a weight(morning and night weight) spreadsheet that has been running for over 2.5 years, and also a food doc for about the same stretch of time. This is just habit for me, and I don't even think about it. I keep a journal in google docs where I will recap my week, any changes to my diet/cardio, how I felt, strength, etc. So I can reflect back to it a year from now when I am trying to diet again, and figure out exact calories, cardio, supplementation, etc.. lol

I need to be anal, and regimented to keep me on track.

What may APPEAR lax to an outsider, mostly because we are programmed to THINK certain things are "clean" and "dirty" is some of my food selection. Which in actuality is only my carb sources. My protein is always lean pork, chicken breast, sirloin, 96%gb, etc. Fats are always nuts, nut butters, various oils, small amounts of cheese here and there, HOWEVER for carbs I threw the GI out the window and I eat as I said bagel thins, white pasta, white potatoes, white rice, low fat eggo waffles, low fat ice cream(for a dessert), etc.

Here was my dinner last night, and could be a typical carb meal(size would change depending on which meal, and macros):
Salad with light dressing
300g cooked chicken breast on a thin bagel with BBQ sauce/lettuce
Asparagus with light smart balance butter
2 servings of Alexia oven fries(2g fat)
2 low fat eggo waffles with 1 serving low fat caramel delight ice cream and FF whipped cream

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Macros:
75g protein
100g Carb
8g fat(dressing/butter)

You can't even begin to understand how liberating having to eat less frequently, while broadening your food selection past what the "norm" is. I can sit down, have some pork tenderloin, some kraft mac and cheese prepared to be low fat, and some dessert, and get lean. I am an ENDO to the highest degree, in fact I RARELY ever come across someone with a metabolism as slow as mine..lol

Oddly enough, I actually just watched this this morning, and I think he puts this in perspective pretty well. Keep in mind he is a natural pro BB.
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Awesome man!!'
 
I mean let me break it down like this.

Lets say you have 3 carb meals a day that are 40g pro/30g carb/trace fat, you can sit down 3 times and eat plain chicken and brown rice, tuna and oatmeal, or what ever "traditional" foods you may use to hit that.

If I had to stick to those same macros. I can sit down once and eat xx amount of chicken breaded in panko(baked), some low fat kraft mac and cheese..haha And if there is carbs to spare have a skinny cow ice cream sandwich.;)
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I guess it just comes down to what you like! If you LIKE plain chicken and oatmeal, eat that ****. I don't want to eat like that..haha

0071982WC said:
6-7 meals works well for me. No science just experience. Yes there must be more than one way. I wonder what your protocols would do for me. I may have to give it a try...... Just can't imagine going that long without food! I love eating!
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Honestly IF is MADE for people who love to eat..lol I love to eat, and that is why I prefer to EAT, when I can rather then these nibbling sessions I have to do, with a traditional 6 meal plan.

That said, I "may" go back to a 4 meal plan come bulking time. Something like what Layne Norton does. Only difference I will do from now is add in one extra meal, thus shortening my fast time.
 
IF for me is dieting only.

I mean if i posted yesterdays breakfast pic (not including half an apple pie), youd be like your right IF on a bulk for you may not be a good idea.


ill try it i like doing keto style
anyone try that recipe i posted up yet?
 
Frank Reynolds said:
If I had to stick to those same macros. I can sit down once and eat xx amount of chicken breaded in panko(baked), some low fat kraft mac and cheese..haha And if there is carbs to spare have a skinny cow ice cream sandwich.;)
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DREWL......
 
I have browsed through the lean gains site and have read about the first 20 pages of this thread but I am getting more confused with every word. Fasted/not fasted. BCCA break your fast/they don't. I am trying to set up a trial run of this because during the day I am not usually hunger but at night I am usually ravenous:

I am currently eating 280 g Protein/ 220g Carb and about 55 g fat a day. I wake up at 5am and do 30-45 minutes on the treadmill. Go to work get home about 5pm eat and hit the weights by 6-6:30p. Does the below schedule work or make sense:

5am-10gr-BCAA-30-45 minutes LISS Cardio.

Should I have some BCAA in here

5pm break fast pre-workout meal
6pm workout
7pm post workout
9pm final meal
Fast
 
ssbackwards said:
IF for me is dieting only.

I mean if i posted yesterdays breakfast pic (not including half an apple pie), youd be like your right IF on a bulk for you may not be a good idea.


ill try it i like doing keto style
anyone try that recipe i posted up yet?
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I am kinda maintaining/slowly recomping right now with IF, and will probably go 4 meals a day for bulking with what I learned about my body on this last run.

I plan to do "mini diets" so run a 8-12wk bulk(depending on bf), still fairly tame on calories, not sloppy, then go right into a diet(IF) for a few weeks, repeat. I am at the point where I realize I am going to have to get a bit soft, and doughy to get the mass I want in the long run. I just don't have the metabolism for this uber "lean bulking". It is counter productive. I will try keep myself under 14-15%, and that is that.
 
thelemac said:
I have browsed through the lean gains site and have read about the first 20 pages of this thread but I am getting more confused with every word. Fasted/not fasted. BCCA break your fast/they don't. I am trying to set up a trial run of this because during the day I am not usually hunger but at night I am usually ravenous:

I am currently eating 280 g Protein/ 220g Carb and about 55 g fat a day. I wake up at 5am and do 30-45 minutes on the treadmill. Go to work get home about 5pm eat and hit the weights by 6-6:30p. Does the below schedule work or make sense:

5am-10gr-BCAA-30-45 minutes LISS Cardio.

Should I have some BCAA in here

5pm break fast pre-workout meal
6pm workout
7pm post workout
9pm final meal
Fast
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There are a lot of different ways you can approach it with that schedule. I have a friend with similar hours and he will fast all day, train fasted, and do one big ass feeding post workout, starting the second his sets are done with fast carbs/shake, into a whole food meal to finish out his calories.. He supplements EAA/BCAA throughout the day, at 2hr or so intervals. He prefers it that way.

You could do a 2-2:30pm fast break with a small meal, another pre-wo, and then ONE big post workout meal.

There is really a lot of options in that regard, and it is going to be individual.

Goal is fat loss?
 
Thank you for the reply My goal is fat loss so here is what my plan will look like.

5am-10gr bcaa cardio
7am-5pm 5-10gr bcaa every 2 hours
5pm-break fast
6pm-workout
7pm-post workout meal
9pm last meal and start fast post meal

I may need another job for all of the bcaa's but these black friday sales have the supplement pantry stocked.
 
If you workout in the morning but have your first meal around noon, is there any point in using whey protein? By using BCAA's like Martin describes you end up getting ~30g protein in the form of powder anyways.
 
noway55 said:
If you workout in the morning but have your first meal around noon, is there any point in using whey protein? By using BCAA's like Martin describes you end up getting ~30g protein in the form of powder anyways.
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Whey protein when? After you break the fast?
 
Frank Reynolds said:
I mean let me break it down like this.

Lets say you have 3 carb meals a day that are 40g pro/30g carb/trace fat, you can sit down 3 times and eat plain chicken and brown rice, tuna and oatmeal, or what ever "traditional" foods you may use to hit that.

If I had to stick to those same macros. I can sit down once and eat xx amount of chicken breaded in panko(baked), some low fat kraft mac and cheese..haha And if there is carbs to spare have a skinny cow ice cream sandwich.;)
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I guess it just comes down to what you like! If you LIKE plain chicken and oatmeal, eat that ****. I don't want to eat like that..haha


Honestly IF is MADE for people who love to eat..lol I love to eat, and that is why I prefer to EAT, when I can rather then these nibbling sessions I have to do, with a traditional 6 meal plan.

That said, I "may" go back to a 4 meal plan come bulking time. Something like what Layne Norton does. Only difference I will do from now is add in one extra meal, thus shortening my fast time.
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do u by chance have a link to what exatctly layne nortons bulking protocol is?
 
noway55 said:
Yeah, around noon. Not immediately post workout, but still part of the first real post workout meal.
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Either way.

If you want to have a little shake then wait 20-30 min and eat the rest of your meal go for it. Is it needed? Probably not but of it makes you feel better have at it. Main thing I'd just get it in the calories/macros.imo

I personally like to just eat but sometimes I'll make some fluff worth like 25-30g of protein and eat it at the end of my meal as a"treat".

It's all up to you, and what you feel like that day.IMO.
 
ScottyDoc said:
Rosie... as always your body is a FREAK of nature that all should be jealous of, I mean what you do and can get away with never ceases to amaze me!

Rosie's one-liner should be... "Don't hate me cuz you ain't me!" LoL!
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It has its own physiological problems (that I wouldn't wish on anyone - and causes my body to respond almost always in the OPPOSITE way than intended!) - hereditary, so nothing I can do about them, and also issues that mean I should "not" be able to do what I do physically, even though that physicality and training is a natural "cure" for me if I don't want to spend the rest of my life on drugs, etc. I just work in with my body now, since I know what works and what doesn't. I can be disciplined in every other area but diet, honestly, which makes me wonder - in saying that, when I HAVE dieted, I got LESS progress than when I am more lax with my nutrition; although if I "dieted" in a better way, maybe it might yield better results. Who knows (shrug) - you just do the best you can with what you have and know will work. Anything after that . . .

~Rosie~
 
Great attitude. Very respectable.
 
thread needs to be bumped.

plus anyone here also have a fatphobia?

im afraid to bulk again. i honestly have too big of an appetite, and if i do i may do an alternate day fast or every other dat fast. or fast 2 days a week to ward off fat gains.

ideas?
 
u knwo what my pro is with the IF.....i love eating soo much, i dont take days off from teh gym so i can eat more lol...dont like not eating as much
 
thats my prob with IF, if i eat a 2000 cal meal im hungry still lol

I can do some sick damage.

I challange........... Frank Reynolds!

haha
 
ssbackwards said:
thats my prob with IF, if i eat a 2000 cal meal im hungry still lol

I can do some sick damage.

I challange........... Frank Reynolds!

haha
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Do I smell an eating contest... Who can consume the most calories in one sitting... very YouTube-able???
 
ScottyDoc said:
Do I smell an eating contest... Who can consume the most calories in one sitting... very YouTube-able???
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Are we talking calorie dense foods? OR clean stuff? Calorie wise I think I could get in like 5,000 cals in crap pretty easily... I'll upload a vid of me at my next cheat meal.... If I ever find my damn digi cam... I think my wife stole it.
 
clean foods broskis,

i dont **** around.

I would have to figure how to youtube it.

oh PS bacon is clean food on a Keto diet. just cant candy it haha
 
ssbackwards said:
clean foods broskis,

i dont **** around.

I would have to figure how to youtube it.

oh PS bacon is clean food on a Keto diet. just cant candy it haha
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I've eaten 5lbs of chuck roast once.... But I can't do pure keto lol. My post workout meal needs carbs or I die (mainly due to my training...)
 
I should post my refeed from 2 weeks ago, from myfitness pal. Right around 20k calories..haha

I would do a throw-down in person. I don't do the videos on the internet thing. Not my style.:)
 
Need advice.

Currently my eating window is 2-10pm, uni student so i ususally wake up late. Anyway I'm on holiday now and I've gotten work as a bricklayers labouer. It is EXTREMELY labour intensive work, lugging bricks, sand and concrete all day non stop in the sun.
I'm currently cutting so I'm not worried about the extra calorie burning. What I am worried about is muscle loss if im fasting during such intense work.

Is it okay if i just drink BCAAs say 30g through the day and move my feeding window from 4-12pm? Work day is 6am-3pm
Or is it wiser to say eat a bing lunch at work around 11-12pm and start my feeding window there?

Also should i still lift weights considering the amount of lifting ill be doing everyday, or will this be overtraining?
Thanks for any advice,
nathan
 
mattrag said:
I've eaten 5lbs of chuck roast once.... But I can't do pure keto lol. My post workout meal needs carbs or I die (mainly due to my training...)
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i feel thats personal. but i think personal on a mental note.

I train 6 days a week. heavy lifting 3x a week with 2-3 miles of jogging on those days. and on off day boxing (just till shins are better) which includes 10-14 3 minute rounds.

i eat pure keto. sure im hungry, but man i love me my food. eliminate carbs and you can literally eat SOO much more food.

if anyone tried my ground turkey recipe yet, youll feel like your eating a cheat meal!
 
Frank Reynolds said:
I should post my refeed from 2 weeks ago, from myfitness pal. Right around 20k calories..haha

I would do a throw-down in person. I don't do the videos on the internet thing. Not my style.:)
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20k though is impressive.

I dont do the liquid calories at all, no gatorade nothing.

I do the cereal refeed and gusher fruit snack refeed lol

fruitty pebbles, are the ****!

oh and gushers fruit snacks are my ****. amazing.
 
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