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The Future of Primordial Performance

FL3X MAGNUM said:
Ok...since everyone else is doing it...I made a PP banner too. Took me all night so don't poke fun. Here it is:

PRIMORDIAL PERFORMANCE
GET YOUR PEEPEE SUCKED BY HOT BAIBEZ!​
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ohh heres mine ..my boys got 2 words ...

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those who dont watch wresting "SUCK IT" are the words and thanks for ruining my post lol
 
GQNemesis said:
ohh heres mine ..my boys got 2 words ...

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those who dont watch wresting "SUCK IT" are the words and thanks for ruining my post lol
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Wrestling would be better... if it was real! >_< lol jk

FL3X MAGNUM said:
Ok...since everyone else is doing it...I made a PP banner too. Took me all night so don't poke fun. Here it is:

PRIMORDIAL PERFORMANCE
GET YOUR PEEPEE SUCKED BY HOT BAIBEZ!​
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LMFAO... SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Orangatang said:
hahaha ya jackasss. Who are you mr. rogers? who says peepee:spank:
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lmfao.. Mr. Roger's? Really? I don't even think I ever watched that show when I was growing up. bahaha
 
Get OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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T50 said:
So 8 weeks of AndroHard and I won't need HCG hmmm good to know. Do you think running AndroLean at 3 caps a day for the entire 8 weeks would even be worth it? Or is the difference going to be minimal between AndroHard alone or AH+AL? I'm sure i'll have to wait and see once they come out to really know the difference.
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The two stacked is going to be a powerful combo for fat loss. I think you could easily get by at 3 caps a day and extend it out two weeks. Or you could just run it for 6 and the AndroHard for 8.
 
jayice said:
Hey guys ive got a few questions.
1. How hard would the shutdown be on the three products?
2.How long is the product detectable by urine or blood test? like does it leave the system after a day or would it linger around for longer?
3. Are the shipping dates set in stone? or do you think they could be delivered earlier?

Thanks guys :)
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1. For four weeks the shutdown will not be like a strong oral such as SD. There will be some suppression, which is why a PCT is needed for AdroMass and AndroHard.
2. Eric mentioned something about this, not sure myself, but from what I recall some of the metabolites would still be detectable after 3-4 weeks.
3. For now yes
 
Would androhard build muscle mass or does it just lean you out I wanna bulk out abit but andromass is probably abit hardcore for my expreince in hormonals
 
jayice said:
Hey guys ive got a few questions.

3. Are the shipping dates set in stone? or do you think they could be delivered earlier?

Thanks guys :)
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What I'm about to say is NOT meant as a shot at PP. I am definitely considering a (large) purchase of these new products. But one of the things that factors into my decision is the very real possibility that the shipping date will be pushed back (not up, silly boy).
The fact that little (if any) alpha or beta-testing data is available MAY suggest that the product doesn't even exist yet. If we are to take PP at their word regarding the huge financial strain incurred in bringing this thing to market, it is certainly possible that they are relying on this pre-sale to generate the necessay funds to produce the actual product.
Their track record on meeting deadlines for this new line has been less-than-stellar. That, in no way, reflects on the product itself (which, as I say, I may be purchasing myself). I'm just saying the chance of an early release seems very unlikely.
If anything, I'm maybe "softening the blow" for PP in case the release IS delayed. You're welcome. :afro:
 
ryansm said:
1. For four weeks the shutdown will not be like a strong oral such as SD. There will be some suppression, which is why a PCT is needed for AdroMass and AndroHard.
2. Eric mentioned something about this, not sure myself, but from what I recall some of the metabolites would still be detectable after 3-4 weeks.
3. For now yes
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thanks ryan for the answers!
I was also wondering for the androhard as it is dht and would have cns stimulation effect. so would the strength be temporary increase or permanent and how long is the cns stimulatory effect?

thanks again
 
The delay was because the raws we received failed the QC tests. I'm not 100% sure were the process is at this moment, but I know that AndroLean was being "capped" last week and that the powders have all been accounted for as of 2 weeks ago.
 
Just a quick question, why is AndroMass being compared to Test E if it converts to Test AND 1-Test? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare it to original 1-AD and 4-AD?
 
Milas said:
Just a quick question, why is AndroMass being compared to Test E if it converts to Test AND 1-Test? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare it to original 1-AD and 4-AD?
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It would, but it has been over 6 years since 1AD was available and not nearly as many now about it.
 
Milas said:
Just a quick question, why is AndroMass being compared to Test E if it converts to Test AND 1-Test? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare it to original 1-AD and 4-AD?
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I believe on the site it said because of its anabolic and androgenic equivalences and also the amount of test available to the body after conversion is equivalent to the dosage of test e mentioned, maybe a rep can get in here and clarify though.
 
I actually love the (accurate) comparison to 1AD/4AD. That's a cycle I never got to try, but would certainly like to. In fact, if memory serves correct, I actually suggested just such a product to you PP kids quite awhile back. Is it possible that the genius that is J2x is the real inspiration for AndroMass? Hmm...
;)
 
okay, eric just made a claim that I think should be discussed here

Eric said:
Yes, you can expect ANY oral steroid, methylated or not, to be increased in bioavailability by about 40-80% if taken with the new Liqua-Vade HTC formula. (AndroSeries) -- because of the CYP 3A4 inhibition.

-Eric
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really? if thats the case why not just sell the formula for people who still want to use orals and improve the efficiency of those compounds by leaps and bounds?

discuss.
 
Grapefruit juice = best thing to drink :)
 
T50 said:
Would be a very nice cycle i'd think. DO IT :friday:
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I am taking tsp power cell right now and if that does not raise my levels to get me in the range I will highly consider it.I just can't afford 30 dollars a shot a week from the doctor. It would be the only legal way to do it is go threw my doctor. I will start to save up right now. I was thinking using andro hard with andro mass the 6th week and go to the 12th week. Start with just 250 mon 250 friday than add the andro line mid cycle. I will also be getting my test levels back in few months again any how.
 
Gym4Life said:
Would androhard build muscle mass or does it just lean you out I wanna bulk out abit but andromass is probably abit hardcore for my expreince in hormonals
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Androhard will lean you out a lot, but won't help with actual anabolic effects. It will give you the intensity in the gym to push harder, though.
 
AndrewNico said:
okay, eric just made a claim that I think should be discussed here



really? if thats the case why not just sell the formula for people who still want to use orals and improve the efficiency of those compounds by leaps and bounds?

discuss.
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The ester is also an integral part of the absorption/bioavailability of the products.
 
AndrewNico said:
of the androseries products, yes.

Eric was saying it will increasing the bioavailability of other compounds if stacked. Hence my question
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I would believe that has to do with the fact most pro hormones and designer steroids on their way out or are already banned/companies are risking a lot to keep producing them. So releasing said product might not be wise because it would rely on the sales of those products.
 
Rodja said:
The delay was because the raws we received failed the QC tests. I'm not 100% sure were the process is at this moment, but I know that AndroLean was being "capped" last week and that the powders have all been accounted for as of 2 weeks ago.
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Then they should be at a lab being tested for quality and quantity..correct? You are doing post capsulation testing on these products aren't you?
 
AndrewNico said:
of the androseries products, yes.

Eric was saying it will increasing the bioavailability of other compounds if stacked. Hence my question
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The same warning was made with the original LV products. But, having stacked Turinabol LV with Bold and SD, and 1-T LV with SD, I can honestly say I didn't notice any "amplification effect." One possible explanation for this is that SD, being methylated, is already close to 100% bioavailable. And Bold is actually so weak that no matter how much you take, it won't do much, lol. I would still urge caution when using the androseries with other supps/meds.
 
ImJ2x said:
The same warning was made with the original LV products. But, having stacked Turinabol LV with Bold and SD, and 1-T LV with SD, I can honestly say I didn't notice any "amplification effect." One possible explanation for this is that SD, being methylated, is already close to 100% bioavailable. And Bold is actually so weak that no matter how much you take, it won't do much, lol. I would still urge caution when using the androseries with other supps/meds.
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BINGO. A methylated compound in LV gains no benefit past ability to dose as you please.
 
ImJ2x said:
What I'm about to say is NOT meant as a shot at PP. I am definitely considering a (large) purchase of these new products. But one of the things that factors into my decision is the very real possibility that the shipping date will be pushed back (not up, silly boy).
The fact that little (if any) alpha or beta-testing data is available MAY suggest that the product doesn't even exist yet. If we are to take PP at their word regarding the huge financial strain incurred in bringing this thing to market, it is certainly possible that they are relying on this pre-sale to generate the necessay funds to produce the actual product.
Their track record on meeting deadlines for this new line has been less-than-stellar. That, in no way, reflects on the product itself (which, as I say, I may be purchasing myself). I'm just saying the chance of an early release seems very unlikely.
If anything, I'm maybe "softening the blow" for PP in case the release IS delayed. You're welcome. :afro:
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The first product (Lean) is in the soft gelling process now, then they get packaged, and then they ship out.

-Eric
 
AndrewNico said:
okay, eric just made a claim that I think should be discussed here



really? if thats the case why not just sell the formula for people who still want to use orals and improve the efficiency of those compounds by leaps and bounds?

discuss.
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because you, and possibly 4 other dudes would buy it...

It would be tough product to market...
 
ImJ2x said:
The same warning was made with the original LV products. But, having stacked Turinabol LV with Bold and SD, and 1-T LV with SD, I can honestly say I didn't notice any "amplification effect." One possible explanation for this is that SD, being methylated, is already close to 100% bioavailable. And Bold is actually so weak that no matter how much you take, it won't do much, lol. I would still urge caution when using the androseries with other supps/meds.
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You will see much more amplification with the new Liqua-Vade HTC because of the potent grapefruit and pagoda addition.

SD is not 100% bioavailable... maybe the portion that reaches the liver, but it has to pass the intestinal walls first. This is what LV helped with, making superdrone about 3x more potent that regular pill version.

-Eric
 
Hey Eric, I figured you'd still be catching up on tons of lost sleep, lol. No rest for the weary...
 
DAdams91982 said:
BINGO. A methylated compound in LV gains no benefit past ability to dose as you please.
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You also get the benefit of dispersion (if the steroid is actualy disolved in LV). Methyls are only about 40-50& bio available if that.

Plus the inhibition of CYP3A will inhibit some intestinal metabolism (hydroxylation/conjugation) and increase bioavailability.

-Eric.
 
Primordial Perf said:
You also get the benefit of dispersion (if the steroid is actualy disolved in LV). Methyls are only about 40-50& bio available if that.

Plus the inhibition of CYP3A will inhibit some intestinal metabolism (hydroxylation/conjugation) and increase bioavailability.

-Eric.
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See, that's why we keep Potratz around. He's even smarter than J2x. (That's not saying much, huh?)
 
PS: Being an entrepeneur myself, I can appreciate the hard work that goes into launching any innovative new product. In case y'all missed it, this is my favorite thing I saw on the new website:
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It's fascinating reading.
 
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Primordial Perf said:
because you, and possibly 4 other dudes would buy it...

It would be tough product to market...
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So are appetite inducers.

Jus sayin it may be a good idea to look into, especially when you exhaust your raws for the 1st run.

But then again, why would a company make a product to solely promote the use of other companies' products . . . touche.
 
ryansm said:
2. Eric mentioned something about this, not sure myself, but from what I recall some of the metabolites would still be detectable after 3-4 weeks.
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Thats an interesting point. The product description for AH shows DHT conversion at about 500 ng/dl with androsterone. The other metabolites Androstanedione and Androstanediol reach plasma concentration at levels around 2500 and 1500 ng/dl. So the question is, what happens to these other metabolites and do they elicit any intrinsic effects. Eric eluded to the principles of AH being a fairly good muscle builder, could this be due to the metabolite effects and increasing blood levels as DHT is never known to pack on any solid size or pounds??
 
prld2gr8ns said:
Thats an interesting point. The product description for AH shows DHT conversion at about 500 ng/dl with androsterone. The other metabolites Androstanedione and Androstanediol reach plasma concentration at levels around 2500 and 1500 ng/dl. So the question is, what happens to these other metabolites and do they elicit any intrinsic effects. Eric eluded to the principles of AH being a fairly good muscle builder, could this be due to the metabolite effects and increasing blood levels as DHT is never known to pack on any solid size or pounds??
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Certainly, just as 4AD had its own intrinsic effects.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
Thats an interesting point. The product description for AH shows DHT conversion at about 500 ng/dl with androsterone. The other metabolites Androstanedione and Androstanediol reach plasma concentration at levels around 2500 and 1500 ng/dl. So the question is, what happens to these other metabolites and do they elicit any intrinsic effects. Eric eluded to the principles of AH being a fairly good muscle builder, could this be due to the metabolite effects and increasing blood levels as DHT is never known to pack on any solid size or pounds??
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Yes, the androstanediol and androstanedione are apart of the equivalency calculation as they are both intrinsicly active -- the active steroids chart on the site lays out their intrinsic activity relative to DHT.

-Eric
 
So i'm a little confused about AndroHard. If I take this on a cut, will it just help me cut up and look hard or will it help me put on some muscle also? Or is AndroMass really the only one that will add mass?
 
T50 said:
So i'm a little confused about AndroHard. If I take this on a cut, will it just help me cut up and look hard or will it help me put on some muscle also? Or is AndroMass really the only one that will add mass?
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I'm wondering the same thing. The orignial androhard was 1androsterone right? but that has now wandered into andromass with 4ad.
 
T50 said:
So i'm a little confused about AndroHard. If I take this on a cut, will it just help me cut up and look hard or will it help me put on some muscle also? Or is AndroMass really the only one that will add mass?
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It will be somewhat anabolic, but certainly not at the level of andro Mass.
 
ryansm said:
Certainly, just as 4AD had its own intrinsic effects.
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Makes sense, should be interesting to see how people respond to AH.
Primordial Perf said:
Yes, the androstanediol and androstanedione are apart of the equivalency calculation as they are both intrinsicly active -- the active steroids chart on the site lays out their intrinsic activity relative to DHT.

-Eric
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Thanks for clarifying that. I played with the active chart but wasn't sure what results it was reporting in terms of metabolites and/or conversion.
Orangatang said:
I'm wondering the same thing. The orignial androhard was 1androsterone right? but that has now wandered into andromass with 4ad.
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Androhard was Epiandrosterone or 3b Androsterone. AHv2 is Androsterone or 3a Androsterone. Both convert to Stanolone(DHT). 1 androsterone was in PP's 1T-LV and 1T-Tren products. It converted into 1-Testosterone. It was not the original Androhard.

Hope this helps.
 
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